The Roast of Dragon's Dogma (Netflix Anime)
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- čas přidán 8. 06. 2024
- When Netflix announced its Dragon's Dogma anime, I got hyped. Here's why that was a huge mistake.
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Chapters:
00:00 Introduction (Wrath)
03:25 Worldbuilding and Production Values
09:05 Tutturu ad
10:45 Terrible Writing (Gluttony & Greed)
16:33 Unsatisfied Wives (Envy& Lust)
22:31 Drugs are bad, Mkay? (Sloth)
27:03 Why? (Pride)
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I skip this video cause I see BAD CGI being called an "anime"
As someone who had the fortune of this Netflix adaptation being his first introduction to the game I have to ask. Is The original story just as bad or is it worth giving a shot?
@@CombatSportsNerd essentially the only thing the story has in common is "your character is the only one to stand up to the dragon when it burns your village down so it eats your heart and flies away, go get it"
I'm in my first playthrough rightnow, it's pretty cool
as bad as the game.
hate goblin slayer. kids should never watch that trash especially.
why wouldn't it be completely english? Netflix paid to make it didn't they?
Ethan is a terrible arisen, He only uses one pawn and doesn't even try throwing them of a cliff to see what would happen.
you deserve a like 😆
His pawn is also a magic archer
@@Kuulpb and she didn't even nag him to death...what the fuck... the three pawns are supposed to drive your arisen mad, and here is this guy, with only one pawn, who don't talk much... AND NO FUCKING SIDE QUESTS!!! what is he even driven mad by? This is a terrible(terrible might be a bit much, but it makes the point) adaptation of a really great game.
this dude legit picked the worst pawn then did not even get more bro i just cant
@@Kuulpb you know maybe he had more pawns, but since he had magic archer to begin with, they might have become ammunition on the way unseen
The worst sin of this adaptation is that Ethan isn’t joined by a revolving cast of other rando pawns that never shut up about how wolves fear fire. One of these pawns is fat wizard named Jim who doesn’t have anything equipped and another is a pawn 49 levels higher than Ethan who is able to one shot the final boss.
Don't forget Reginald the one who's horribly underequipped but damn does he look so good in that trash ass gear that Ethan gives him a five star Pawnhub review despite his worthlessness.
@@rythmiccoma2809 I couldn't stop laughing at this. I have upvoted and sent gifts to so many cool looking pawns regardless of their usefulness.
And then there's the green abomination covered in scars and moles that looks like it's been in a car crash
I just turned off the voices. I also never picked the least dressed pawns. There were plenty of armor styles in that game that were practical AND cool when blended together.
Harpies! 😂
I love the scene where the show goes:
"Guys, I think the rich are systematically exploiting us to stay in power."
"Idk, man, you sound kinda evil to me."
So, the average anti-communist
@@CyberdarkHellKaiser you say that like being “anti-communist” is a bad thing?
Russia and China definitely aren’t systems I wanna live in.
@@DauthEldrvaria yes, supporting oligarchy, imperialism and class oppression is a bad thing
@@CyberdarkHellKaiser okay good. Lol
@@DauthEldrvariabro, educate yourself. I live in Russia, there's no trace of socialism. Except for /mostly/ free healthcare and education, and it kinda seems that the oligarchs will break that down too.
As a frequent weed smoker, I've lost count of the amount of times I've almost been killed by a hydra at this point
The smell of burning ganja is like catnip to them I swear.
Wait, I've never played the game. Are you guys referring to some in-game weed, or IRL weed smoking? And if it's IRL, what do hydras have to do with that?
@@stankobarabata2406 being sarcastic in this case. The game does not have depictions of weed but it does have hydras.
Did you at least get a blind wife out of it?
Thanks for that; I laughed my ass off after reading this one.
Wait? Ethan had a wife and kid killed by the dragon? How stupid and cliche...
In the game the dragon steals your heart and basically says "HAHA! catch me if you can" then dips
Most of the town actually survives, I mean, having your literal heart stolen for a reason you don't even understand seems like a pretty strong motivation to me, why did they need to make it so generic....
Let's not mention how they completely fucked the ending, the game had a great ending and it explained a ton.
Just because, I assume. XD
They also screwed up the dragon lore. You dont become a dragon for killing the dragon for the "wrong" reason. You become the dragon if you cant defeat the senechal
@@unluckyone1655 The anime is just a bad memory for me at this point, and it sucks because I was actually looking forward to it. smh
I think they should've just made some quiet protag with no background. Just like the game. I think it's much more flexible to have a blank slate to build a story off than a dude who got his family sent to a eternal BBQ.
The most disappointing thing about this show was Hanna never yelled "WOLVES HUNT IN PACKS"
Agreed. Hell, by the end of it, any line of pawn chatter would have been welcomed
@@ananousous i personally found the pawn chatter somewhat endearing in the game, as long as the chatter setting was at low lmao
Or throw her in a cliff because the Arisen is an Assassin.
Or, "They hate fire!"
“HARPIE!”
"Noo actually poor people having basic decency is baaaad, we need to exploit them" The Animation
Yes. Climb the ladder.
glad to know Bowser supports the working class
Yep
Definitely the anime industry.
When even an evil dragon turtle king knows more about being a good leader that's worrying
Glad to know you're a leader we can trust, Lord Koopa
That's most dark fantasy stories sadly
What I found funny is the show makes the Dragon Right. When the Dragon is giving his speech about how evil and vile and weak humans are there are flashbacks to the events of the past 5 episodes, but there aren't any flash backs when Ethan gives his speech about how humans actually aren't all evil bastards. The show just straight up forgot to redeem humanity in their plot about how humans aren't all evil bastards.
Cause drugs are bad .. mkay, and they did drugs so they bad ... mkay... cause drugs are bad!"
Also that wasn't even the point of the game.
The characters in it were flawed as hell, absolutely. But aside from one or two, they were still fundamentally good people.
The angst of the series simply doesn't fit.
@@mikhailvasiliev6275 dude, apart from the pawn and the red dragon, this show has nothing from the game in it... Maybe the lost heart too, but thats it,another shtshow of an adaptation that doenst give a single fck to the source material cuz the director thinks he can do better than the original source.
Yes? That was the point? The big issue with the review and this comment is you guys think it was massive mistake when indeed, it was the point. It wasn't an adaptation of the game but an event taking place in the same universe. Which is kinda how the game canonically works with there being many arisens in many different worlds etc. They used this universe as a setting to place a character (Ethan) as a vehicle to deliver the desired message. If you don't like the message fine, but that doesn't make it an inherently bad show. It just wasn't made to your taste. He talks about how weak the side characters are, and yes. Because they are side characters in a show with 7 half hour ish episodes. They aren't meant to be the focal point. The only reason they exist IS to portray the failures of humanity leading to Ethan's nihilistic outlook. It makes perfect sense as far as writing. Mind you, I'm not arguing that the actual written dialogue and stuff was good. Definitely lacking. But it seems most of you folks aren't attacking that but the story itself, not the writing of it. You can not like a story and it could still be considered a reasonably ok story. Take Twilight. It was an objective example of bad writing. However, it did the goal of creating a blank slate main character for females to insert themselves into, thus making it a successful book.
@@Mephistofeles ... Bruh 💀
Some stupid peasant worker: i wish i wasn't dying in poverty while the rich never struggle
A flying skeleton: You wish to improve society, and yet you participate in it! Very curious!
Where's that quote from?
@@bigmiki2620 "Mister Gotcha"
by Matt Bors, 2016, published in The Nib
If lich king was in a sitcom.
@@LutraLovegood thank you, good sir.
@@bigmiki2620 mother's basement has made the entire anime community toxic
Half expected our heroes to come across an underwater city and for Ethan to chastise the citizens for not just selling their houses to mermaids
Ethan DESTROYS aquatic liberals with FACTS and LOGIC
And then they have to battle a bunch of sirens or some general sea monster who is only here because they hate humans and why wouldn't those humans sell to the mermaids, how foolish of them to not sell to creatures they didn't know existed.
Villager: Just one fucking problem! Sell their houses to who, Arisen? Fucking Aquaman?!
Ethan: Yes.
Fucking Aquaman: **kills all the villagers for having refused to sell their houses**
@@maroontiger1361 Ethan IS a liberal.
MS-06 Borjarnon its a reference to a memetic clip making fun of ben shapiro for suggesting that people living in areas sinking underwater due to rising sea levels sell their homes to someone else and move further inland. Because its a totally braindead take. Like a lot of the ones the show has.
Ethan: “we should give some of this gold to the families who will all starve to death, the Duke won’t notice a few coins missing.”
Commander: “monster!”
Balthazar: "Screw the families, I want to be rich!"
*gets stabbed*
Balthazar: "I see the error of my ways now."
this world is full of crazy idiots. call for exterminatus.
@@Spartan135 but brother, we can't call exterminatus on Holy Terra itself. It is heresy to even consider such an option.
@@generalalduin9548 strategic value absolute
Görkem Aykut deploy Capital weaponry?
You know, butchering Nietzsche's warnings about staring long into the abyss loses exactly all of its impact when the premise of the show is that the whole world is already in the abyss and everyone is fundamentally evil.
"the premise of the show is that the whole world is already in the abyss"
"And not the fun kind, where children bleed from their eyes" -MothersBasment
Also, dude, Kayaba totally had a strong reason for doing what he did: He went through 400 hours of uninterrupted consciousness because Bethesda wouldn't let him delay the game release. He wasn't exactly thinking straight when his buggy masterpiece ended up killing people.
Honestly that backstory would have saved sao and given a much better commentary on greed and human nature than this show ever did.
@@juliagiles1547 Yup, SAO Abridged is a treasure.
Julia Giles
Seriously whoever the editor was for SAO needs to reevaluate themselves. Who lets the final boss just say “I FORGOT MY MOTIVATION”. Fuckin trash
@@CombatSportsNerd The "I forgot my motivation" point COULD have been good. Could.
Even I can spin something in my mind about a persons obession with "getting back at the world" for real or percieved suffering or something that isolated that person from the world. Surreptitiously converting what those that work for that person create and smuggeling it under the nose of those that might find out, simply to ruin all of them in the end, while also killing as many as possible. Loosing himself in that obession.
But nah. Too much work.
Or another take on Kayaba is to have him be completely addicted to escapism, and thus his original motivation (which might be learned from other sources) is irrelevant now that he is so far removed from reality.
as a current animation student: holy SHIT that facial animation is legitimately incredible. it’s amazing how much smooth expression they got out of these models. such a shame that amazing work was wasted on such a shitshow.
Right? Like the fact that pupils can dilate is NUTS. Just wish it was used better
@@mothersbasement
Well, I'm sure there's still room for the show to grow and develop with the criticisms being heard. So keep complaining until they hear!
Out of curiosity, do you get a chance to work with mocap on your course?
The sandwich My school has the equipment for it, but obviously nobody’s on campus right now to use it. i think it’s usually used by the game art/development major more than animation, but they’d probably let me try it out if i wanted to lol
@@nellturley Oh awesome! Yet another reason to knock covid out I guess. Good luck man.
“...Which I guess makes sense, if you define ‘evil’ as ‘breaking any rule to make one’s life better, ever’.”
This show was written by Jigsaw.
I'm pretty sure even Jigsaw had a more 'shades of grey' perception of the world than these guys.
@@whiteraven181 Rich good,, filthy poor bad, womz bad, drugs bsd snd if you use drugs you have failed as an individual.
Jigsaw lost all credibility to me when he covered a man in flammable jelly for skipping work one day.
Wonder how this fairs in a Japanese cultural perspective? There's seems to be a reoccuring trope in some anime about misanthropy especially in Evangelion.
@@dragonfell5078 jigsaw would see my clincally depressed ass and fuckin.. chain me to a rabid badger and tell me I need to have a positive outlook or smth
... OK I've played a lot of Dragon's Dogma, and in none of the caves have I found psychedelic moss. All I found were rats, snakes, and very angry lizards.
They were angry because they had to rush to hide their stash from you.
Rats, snakes, and very angry lizards? My guy, I think you might've found and taken the psychedelic moss before you went in.
My man doesn't mention the rapacious ogres? Lol
@@stillcantbesilencedevennowman, those guys scared the shit out of me
The game isn't the only source of lore
me, dumb: maybe people dying of poverty is bad
smart nearby denizen, pulling out a sword: nice try, lich
What's worse is that you CAN do a story where someone starts off doing bad things for good reasons, and then getting more and more corrupted while using the same "bad for good" spiel to justify their actions.
That could be good. Instead we get this vapid nonsense.
@@luckyducky7819 i have seen budget isekai pull off commentary on wealth inequality better than Dragon's Dogma
@@luckyducky7819 Not saying a corrupt Robin Wood can't be well written, but think needs lots of nuances to not end up saying that people that are being brutalized are bad for getting violent and not do the naive "Why didn't they talk things out?"
@@TheDoomBlueShell In this instance, however, it's not even a corrupt Robin Hood done poorly. At least as explained in the video, a relatively small bit of all that gold would be being given as compensation for the soldiers laying down their lives to reclaim the treasure for some apparently stingy duke. That's only "stealing" if one considers monetary benefits that go to families due to work-related deaths in the line of duty to be "stealing".
I am almost surprised there wasn't a clip of the lich talking about "universal healthcare" before it was defeated or one of Ethan deriding "welfare queens" before he turned into a dragon.
I'm sorry but I think I had a stroke trying to read this
I think Mothers Basement missed one thing and that is that any fan of dragons dogma knows that the weird off-putting medieval fantasy voices are actually very true to the game and I quite enjoyed the Jank
I actually loved the dialect of the game. The way everyone speaks just seems so unique and poetic.
@@jackhazardous4008 Yeah some of the lines that are said really shook my core 6 or so years ago when I first played it, It still is one of my fav RPG's and that's definitely a part of it
Its still bad on the games, I don't think "that's how the game is" can be an excuse.
@@DrNaviMD Oh it's not an excuse, if it's bad and feels weird, then it's bad and feels weird. but am I surprised that it feels that way in the anime adaption? No it's surprisingly consistent actually and it's not impossible to enjoy it like a b grade horror movie, especially when you're looking at it as coming from the Dragons Dogma game. Which is super fun to play but also has b grade writing in a lot of parts (though I'd still say the world and concepts are cool)
They're masterworks all, you can't go wrong!
I made a healer mage pawn with 3000 health, gave him a stick that revives him after death (wakestone staff) and called him Jesus. He never dies, cures debuffs and heals the everyone who lacks a sliver of health. The only attack he has is fireball. I also made him 7ft tall, excessively hairy, brutishly built and gave him the deepest voice I could. His title is BA, so Jesus the Badass comes with me on every adventure.
not funny
@@ginoceli5205You don't know what comedy is
@@mousesteam7882 I do
*Heavy Metal Jesus by Dream Evil plays in the background*
@@ginoceli5205 it is indeed pretty funny.
You had me at "an unbearably preachy reactionary evangelical screed that gets so high on its own neoliberal "bootstrap" bullshit it accidentally ends up endorsing feudalism." A hell of a sentence this is.
That was such a good sentence.
r/Brandnewsentence
It is an excellent sentence
"He names her Hannah, after his favorite singer, Hannah Montana"
Already a better story with this one change.
I read this and I have to begrudgingly hear that Migos song playing in my head….
Ethan is an ok name IMO, however.
@@bernardoheusi6146 IIRC the names in the show were based off the two most common pawn monikers.
*scene of Wolves hunting in packs*
Everyone watching the series: say it! Say the line!
The anime: .....
WOLVES HUNT IN PACKS ARISEN!
TIS WEAK TO FIRE!
😂😂😂
You'll never hit them swinging blindly!
*NO! THEY HOLD THE ADVANTAGE!*
I know that this is a small detail. But one of the things I loved from the original game is that it is based on Medieval *Southern* Europe (with the starting village being based on Spanish Mediterranean villages and the city on Italian cities) rather than the usual Medieval Northern Europe of generic fantasy. Same with the monsters, being based on Greek Mythology rather than Norse Myths.
The Netflix show throws that through the window and makes it Northern European, changing even the starting village from Spanish-influenced to Generic Medieval Town Nº 372.
Don't know about you but I consider Spain and Greek as "generic fantasy" as a lot of fantasy based media uses them heavily.
@Insert Name Eh they still use more aesthetics from England or the Nordic states, I can't think of many fantasy stories that have a distinctive Renaissance Italy vibe
The Gransys flag is just Scotland's flag with a dragon on it.
"Her pupils visibly dilate. an indication of arousal, while she's watching Ethan turn goblins into blood piñatas"
I mean... would that not turn YOU on?
😏
Me, an asexual lesbian snacking on chips: nah lol
Personally I'm more of a "meat toboggan" fan
@@typacsk
I dare not ask what that means
@@sadrabbit53 it's from SAO abridged :)
the dragon literally just said "its what my character would do"
also the ending is bullshit because in the game, the reason the arisen becomes a dragon isnt because they killed the dragon for the wrong reason its because they didnt have the required will to take up the mantle of god. the dragon is just a scouting agent for heaven, theyre just looking for another arisen who has more will than them, and as the cycle continues eventually an arisen has more willpower than god and becomes god.
except apparently god only has the power to kill mortals and nothing else i admit i felt let down when i beat the game did every good self sacrificing choice and as god i could only either be a douche or do nothing come on at least let me improve the weather or slightly increase the worlds happiness or calmness or SOMETHING come on the evil arisens who become senechal at leats get to kill whoever they want the good just f ing sit there powerless even atlas in the greek myth had more things to do
@@wilmagregg3131 you cant even murder people you can just stagger them and make them drop things
Yeah, someone couldn’t be arsed to explain half this lore. >_
I love how playing the game again, the scene with the Dragon waking up in free fall has context for why it's so pissed. It realizes it failed at the final hurdle and is now a plot device in another Arisen's story.
@@wilmagregg3131 Simply put, seneschal is essentially just a battery to keep the world turning.
Shakesperean Dragon quoting Nietzsche has got to be the worst thing I saw today
When you gaze long into the shit script the shit script gazes also into you.
havigt to hear a fucking dragon say "the human condition" is one of the worst things to ever happen to me. 😂
LEGIT! Are they have a fight or a fucking philosophy lecture?
It's close to what the game did but wrong in every possible way.
That sounds rad to me, the fact that it's bad disappoints me immeasurably.
The game was so confusing about why the dragon did what it did until you reached the end and found that he was simply a tool of a much greater force. He was sent down to find a person with enough will to fight him.
Hell, the game shows a physical change in the dragon during the cutscene where the character inflicts the tiniest wound as a way of showing the dragon has found what it wanted. It immediately fucks off and tells you to come after it when you're ready because it wants you to succeed.
That was actually fucking sick when this feral monster sees a literal roach scratched it and sentience sparks in its eyes. So many good scenes left out or poorly represented.
I like how the dragon's motivation is on par with a cat knocking your stuff down
It's like they tried to half-ass grimdark. Everyone dies, life sucks, blahblah, but there's no weight because everyone has the emotional capacity of a paper bag and none of their motivations are compelling. I love the original DD, I'm sad they did it so dirty.
Yeah, same here. This show is basically babys first grimdark story. Has little to do with the lore of the game other than some enemies and locations you may encounter in the game. Seriously dont get me started on how this show fudged the games lore
To do grimdark well you have to understand that there are shades of grey or at least that there is no "white" choice (i.e. "evil is evil" and all that)
In this anime, everything's black and white with the moral compass of an edgy middle schooler. And worse of all, it's rather preachy about it
Hell, if they wanted a grim-dark angle, they could have gone with a story set in Bitterblack Isle. Delving into the unknown depths, uncovering the dark secrets long buried, fighting abhorrent monsters that were once Arisen themselves - I'd rather watch that.
@@theinquisitorisamage1653 and that would be a hell of alot more badass. Missed opportunity there
@@unluckyone1655 If this show had an alternate title, it would be "missed opportunities." Thank fuck I only watched episode 1.
Alright Dragon's Dogma, what do you have for us?
"Tyranny is good actually"
Hm I see, nothing of value.
Poor people simply don't understand the pressures of wealth
It's so hard to be rich, do you know what it's like to have to decide what colour you want your Lamborghini to be in or what kind of stones you want on your watch? Last month my neighbour got a yacht bigger than mine and now I'm not the top dog anymore!
How about "without slavery people would become drug addicts or lose control and start killing everything".
Holy shit, are we sure this show isn't satire mocking fascist types?
That wasn't the point though, it's just a dark take on human nature, that people that were oppressed could cause disaster in anarchy, but that doesn't that mean they were trying to say tyranny is good
@@simone105 It sure seems like it. according to the show if you remove the tyrannical lord from power. the people will turn into looters.
What disappointed me the most was the dark fantasy tone altogether. The very reason I fell in love with Dragon's Dogma was how it was this bombastic, guitar-riffing epic adventure in its style and presentation at first, before turning into more abstract and high-fantasy themed takes on existential themes and the meaning of struggle and choice.
And then comes this show that asks, "Hey, you know what we don't have enough of? Navel-gazing contrived moralizing on the seven deadly sins! Dysfunctional and brutal sexuality! Angry revenge for a dead family! Misanthropes and greedy assholes! Father-figure raising surrogate daughter-figure in a terrible world!"
They could have literally changed the IP for Dragon Age and not only would it have been more fitting, we wouldn't have had to waste the unique elements that made Dragon's Dogma stand out. It missed the point about as much as the Monster Hunter movie coming out.
Dragon's Dogma was always dark fantasy though????
@@AntiCensorshipGamer
DD has dark fantasy elements but I wouldn't really call it that dark. DD is like "the world sucks sometimes but the power of human will is the axis around which this world turns and can result in positive change" whereas most dark fantasy is "people suck and the power of the existing social systems make positive change impossible". Honestly nothing is more characteristic of the latter than dragon age to me. Calling DD dark fantasy is kinda like calling Tolkien dark fantasy because they can sometimes be dark.
@@glowcloudwheatproducts495well said mate
@@glowcloudwheatproducts495Eh, even Dragon Age isn’t really dark fantasy. Just high fantasy with some dark elements thrown in for a bit of edge.
What's really disappointing is that we never hear an armorer say "they're masterworks all, you can't go wrong!"
So many missed opportunities
Truuuuuuue
The "we have to sacrifice a child to keep the monster at bay" thing is so old even the Greeks did it. Twice.
Twice that's survived thousands of years since then. I'm sure they had more once upon a time
First was Andromeda... The other was who? I forgot.
Happens in the Bible, too, though the trope is subverted because the old testament god wanted to brag about how he didn't require human sacrifices.
@@andrewlee4455 well, i count the minotaur, which is not exactly the same format as the other examples but still the same concept. Kreta had to do the human sacrifice thing themselves before they defeated the Athens.
@@CatHasOpinions734 of course, the subversion loses some of it's weight when yahweh continues to be a dipshit in the OT
Taking out the lore of the dragon and the seneschal and replacing it with generic medieval proselytizing is such an insult. The game genuinely has a unique commentary on death and entropy and the idea of conquering both and the consequences that would have on the fundamental nature of humanity. It's the entire point of the last stretch of the game beyond the dragon boss, and there's SO MUCH room for expansion on that in an entire series.
Couldn't have said it better. So sad we'll never see the series expand proberly on those concepts, I always thought those parts of the game were really fascinating, as well as surprising for what is at its core a classic hero's journey. Guess they can still reset the season, with the reincarnation cycle that is in the lore, though I think it is unlikely that'll happen.
I'm still pissed that they replaced Grigori's (the Dragon ingame) smooth voice and occasional speeches in Latin with generic voice changer with Shakespear speech.
They could have expanded the characters already in the the game that had arcs already laid out for them (Mercedes, Selene, Madeline, the Duke, Julian, etc). Also what's with the weird lessons promoting medieval feudalism? You have quests in the game where you do the literal opposite like the option to bring Fournival to justice.
The commentary of the game wasn't unique. It was pretty generic too. Just had better execution.
This was actually a decent adaptation.
But I do wish they explored things a bit more. Especially Gran Soren and Salvation.
@@sumhuumenn2061 I hoped that Ethan would reach the seneschal but take the peace ending. Give him a happy ending. Or have him fall against the seneschal and become a dragon that way. But no. Never trust Netflix for anime I guess,
@@DALKurumiTokisaki What makes the Dragon's voice worse is that they actually did get the same voice actor, but just pitch filtered his voice for no good reason.
You know you're doing something wrong when a literal cult makes better and more subtle anime than you.
What anime? What cult?
@@heitorpedrodegodoi5646 I assume this is about MB's series of videos about the anime movies funded by the Happy Science cult. Happy Science vol 1, Happy Science vol 2, and Bootleg Avengers
“The rantings of an upjumped zealot make for tedious listening.” This adaptation bastardized the dragon along with the rest of the legit interesting and unique lore
Point of order: "people die when they are killed," isn't that bad a line, especially in context. The full line is "people die when they are killed, that's the way it should be," says a man who has been killed three times without dyeing, when he is asked if he really wants to give up his healing factor.
Can you elaborate? I am thinking of fate, misfit of demon academy, and code vein at the same time. What is it that you are saying?
@@witzprinz4766 It's Fate. First route, to be precise.
Shirou has Avalon in him, which gives him Wolverine-lite tier healing factor when close enough to Saber. He had taken enough injuries in multiple separate occasions that he should be dead multiple times over, and that healing is the only reason he isn't. Up until this point, he wasn't even aware of the fact that Avalon was in him or he even had a source of healing, so he had basically cheated death and just got lucky. He decides to give up Avalon so Saber can use it instead, since she will need it more for the final battle. Cue "People die when they are killed."
He also thinks he shouldn't/doesn't deserve a safety net (partially because of his survivors guilt), and should be just as vulnerable as anybody else. Part of it is also his lack of self worth, in the sense that he prioritizes others over himself every time. He would much rather himself get hurt or die than have others get hurt or die in his place.
Ohh, that makes a lot more sense. I always wondered what the context of that meme was or if it was just a bad subbing job like the "pleasure myself with this fish" one.
The more you know!
Fate has a lot of these quotes that make sense in context, but still sound a bit dumb, and are hilarious when taken completely out of context. Shirou is the master of this. "Just because you're correct doesn't mean you're right!"
Story telling in Dragon's Dogma wasn't groundbreaking, but it was Shakespearean compared to the anime
Most of the game is standard fantasy tropes but they're solidly executed. And there's just enough originality to be compelling.
Shakespeare is omega level overrated tho
@@M_Alexander i dont give a fk about any of that i just wanna climb monsters and stab them
What if I told you that the anime is several years before the game. And Ethan was a flawed Arisen that came before our character.
Meaning that the seven deadly sins were a test on Ethan and so that's why we don't see the Seneschal.
Don't know it seems like a story with some taste in it afterall. That's why it seems edgy.
@@nathanlevesque7812 The only true Shakespearean show being made right now is Letterkenny, and by "Shakespearean" I mean "character dialogue contains lot of dirty jokes and creative insults in quick succession that make heavy use of wordplay, rhyming and alliteration."
Seriously, if you haven't played the game, all of this isn't as nearly as stupid and maddening. It's extra hard to swallow for those who have.
To explain some parts of the game's story that give a reason for the whole thing:
There are 3 sources of time. The God (Seneschal), the Dragon and the Arisen. Everything else in the plane of existence is guided by fate, not will. And even theose 3 have to follow some basic rules. The Dragon's job is to open a window in this fate system by attacking a city or a village or whatever. By doing so, some idiot is bound to rise up against all odds instead of running away. The dragon stops the rampage, acknowledges the one who stood up by taking that idiot's heart and making them immortal (only to time and desease). After that, the Dragon stops killing people and goes back to their lair.
Now the newly Arisen has a will of their own, they aren't guided by fate (to be more specific, they were acting on their own since the Dragon started attacking). Like the Dragon once said "time flows with your (the Arisen's) footsteps". The second part of the Dragon's job is to test the Arisen as a replacement for the Seneschal.
To sum it up real quick: If the Arisen is killed then that Arisen is being reborn as a lesser dragon. These dragon's are way smaller and seem to have very little to no memory of their human life. They are driven by their instinct which is to hunt and kill. One dragon in the game actually had a brief mental breakdown just before fighting with the Arisen, saying things like "I... must... kill..." or something like that. The main Dragon does have their human memories and no, they don't kill just to kill.
If the Arisen kills the Dragon, then they get to challenge the Seneschal in order to take their place. If the Arisen dies by the Seneschal, then they are being reborn as the main Dragon and take on the job of finding another Arisen.
If the Arisen manages to kill the God as well, then that Arisen is now the new God and the recently slain Dragon is being reborn once again to continue their duties. As you cn see, the one who gets dicked out most in this case is the Dragon who lives for god knows how long, only to die and live again as an immortal for just as long for once more.
There are no extra rules like the seven sins and the Dragon is in no position to make such rules. The Dragon offers to realize a wish of the Arisen's choice for a sacrifice: the Arisen's most beloved person (that can lead to very complicated situations, as the DLC showed us). If the Arisen refuses that offer, they have to fight the Dragon. And then, not even the God is in any position to make any extra rules. As the Seneschal themself state "such is the office I have served", basically saying that even being God is just a job. There's only one small window for the Seneschal to change how stuff works and that's by rage quitting. If the God kills themselves before resurrecting a Dragon, then the cycle is broken and fate stops controlling everyone. The fact that the Dragon serves a higher purpose is very important. If any Dragon could do as they please, then the Arisen would hardly stand any chance against them. The idea that the Dragon makes the fight almost fair is due to the fact that it's just a test for the Arisen. No point in this test if the Dragon just flies around throwing fireballs until one hits the Arisen. The same goes for God. If the Seneschal wanted to, they could just erase the Arisen from existence. But it's not how it works.
The saddest part is that the game is actually pretty philosophical. Almost everything in the game symbolizes something.
God ducking damn this is a really good post!
@@philzh7973 thanks!
"everyone is guided by fate except for the arisen" oh so they are cannonicaly npcs
@@gabrielandradeferraz386 haha, yeah, pretty much. There's a character - a scholar - who has learned about the universe and has gone crazy. And if you talk to him, he supposedly breaks the fourth wall.. but I haven't tried talking to him so I can't confirm that 😅
i know this a year old video, but i hope the original poster of the video sees this.
“ building expectations based on association” very Cyberpunk
Difference is Cyberpunk could be patched and updated. The show? Not so much.
Dragon's Dogma: "What if we rage in favor of the machine?"
I think I love you.
This is truly a way to underrated comment
Game Grigori : "This battle you have begun sits at the very heart of all creation. We are the axis about which the world turns, Arisen. Time itself flows with your footsteps! Aye, raise your weapon... Your teeth of steel, your blood-red voice... Show me your power, Arisen! Prove yourself worthy of what lies beyond my corpse! Show that you possess the strength to still my heart. The will to do it. The soul! Slay me, and with me death itself. Stay the fires of destruction!"
Anime dragon : "i say nietzsche quotes i found on pinterest which means that i am very intelligent"
It's as if a bored seneschal wrote the anime script
@@rgt9930 That explains so much.
@@rgt9930 being stuck in that cloudy place for maker knows how long does weird things to senechal's head
@@unluckyone1655 maker knows ??? are you a dragon age fan by any chance ?
@@voidofastora6032 The god of Dragon’s Dogma’s religion is also called the Maker.
Can we stop and really break down just how poorly written Gluttony is? Setting aside the idiotic both sides "Feudalism is good actually" moral of the episode just like the whole plot of the episode makes no senses. Setting aside the fact that this extortion racket makes no sense because the cyclopes is clearly making it harder for the peasants to produce the crops and food that the peasants use to pay their taxes to the mayor. Let's ask the question that the writers never bothered to ask: what does the cyclopes get out of any of this?
I mean look at that Cyclops it's fucking huge, human children are like sausagettes to it! A man cannot live by cocktail sausage alone! So what does the cyclopes get from all of this, why would it obey the Mayor just for the privilege of eating a single child once ever six months? The Cyclops does not appear to be coerced into doing what it does so what does it gain from waiting like once a month to eat a single child? Why is the cyclops going along with this plan? The Mayor has nothing that the Cyclops needs, and we are never shown how the mayor could coerce or control the cyclops.
The extortion plan requires the mayor to be able to control the cyclops and restrict it's rampages to only against those he wants it to go after. But there's no reason for us to believe the mayor controls the Cyclops and nothing to suggest that the Cyclops benefits from this this arrangement.
The cyclops is just a stand up guy like that, the mayor asked nicely
in the game the cyclops were so dumb, even goblins found methods of enslaving them so it could make sense the lord enslaved it somehow, but any sort of negotiation makes no sense
In game it's actually quite easy to tame cyclopes with food, so easy in fact, that even goblins managed to do it
The game shows that cyclopes can be tamed, but the show uses a *fucking gigantic* cyclops, like one of those condemned gorecyclopes you find in Bitterblack Isle, and expects us to believe that one human child every six months is enough of a bribe to tame it.
It's like a whale only eating singular krills daily
All the great girls in the game that the anime just completely forgets about. Madeline the quirky peddler whose love of money leads to shenanigans, Quina the childhood friend who knows healing magic, Mercedes the lady knight who leads the Enlistment Corps and battles the hydra alongside the Arisen, Selene the former Pawn living in the woods and working as an apothecary. Such a shame the anime was an adaptation in name only.
So, this anime seems to have a tendency to bring up an idea that would actually improve society, then brutally pivots and claims that the idea that only results in the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer is the best and only good option. Did Ayn Rand come back to life to write this?
Ayn Rand is undying.
You clearly know nothing about Ayn Rand
Ouch... That’s a brutal take on Atlas Shrugged. :s Wasn’t she more about hating communism and socialism n stuff?
@@YayaBunWa yes she was, which is why liberals hate her. She grew up under communism and saw a lot of the terrible shit they did, and almost everything she wrote was a reflection on that.
Some people, I notice, always feel offended when these ideas are criticized so hating Ayn Rand is like part of internet socialism 101. It's stupid
@@obo2999 liberals - socialists. Pick one lol. They're not the same and the fact that you conflate the two demonstrates your own lack of knowledge on political-economy lol
The fact that the he protagonists name is Ethan reminds me of the fact that the primary protagonist for the fare reaching sci-fi epic Dune's name is Paul.
And he gets a way better name once the story kicks in!
Mother's Basement the concept that the whole second name thing might have come from the editors being like "this is asci-fi story set in the far far future and your character is named Paul?! Change it!" And Frank Herbert just deciding to dive into it with both hands is silly, ridiculous even!...and yet...
Paul is a reference to the bible.
Well in Paul’s defense at least he has a cool last name
@@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527 Every name and event in Dune is carefully chosen to advance the thematic goals of the story. Dragon's Dogma is not in the same ballpark.
The writer must’ve heard that DD was influenced by Berserk so he created the Great Value Berserk instead of learning squat about the games lore. So now Capcom has zero good anime lol
Tbh, the animation in DD looks better than the recent Berserk anime. Still, it’s hard to compare DD to such a classic story like Berserk.
@@gabrielmirandaist Bruh RWBY looks better Berserk 2016.
the devil may cry anime was alright
This show is one of the worst examples I've seen of one of my least favorite kinds of media, "edgy story that's trying too hard to be morally gray while either not being that at all or inadvertently making itself even more black and white in the process". It's almost impressive.
shame such a overlooked game gets the least flattering adaption possible and is further buried into the capcom vault with the likes of Powerstone and the Clover properties.
Let’s be honest Capcom only acknowledges five or six of their dozens of franchises anyway lol. Street Fighter, Monster Hunter, Mega Man, Devil May Cry, and Resident Evil. You can maybe throw Ace Attorney in there.
@@calebhoward7763 And even then they barely acknowledged DMC til 5 was a success
And Street Fighter has had so many issues for the last 5-6 years as well. And Megaman has been mostly ignored for the last 10 years or so (except for Megaman 11).
God Powerstone, it’s been a while since I played that, fucking love that game.
Do you know what also hurts. I know of Power Stone. I don’t know what clover is.
“Ethan” is a name I eternally relate to the “ctrl+alt+del” webcomic... so now all I can see is a fantasy hero trying to kill a dragon for causing his gamer girlfriend to have a miscarriage.
This anime was literaly Loss
@@GiubileiFernando i hate how correct you are
Great, now I hate my name
EthanCGamer
Hate it? You should be honored to share a name with the beloved creator of winter-een-mas!
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You know, I didn’t actually predict the fat guy/cyclops twist.
Because I didn’t consider it a twist in the first place.
Yeah, same. I actually thought Geoff had mentioned it beforehand and thought there was a twist to "bad guy and monster cooperate to milk the populus".
Some people would argue that the twist is that you were expected to be surprised at all. At least I've seen some people say such things.
Like, the idea of a corrupt system falling and being replaced by another one is a pretty interesting and, sadly, a very common consequence in the real world. And discussing that all people have darkness in them, that even those who have been victimized can become abusers or the righteous can fall into evil, is an old but still very relevant and compelling debate.
*That being said...* this show literally frames it like, "Muah human rights bad". Like dude, you can discuss the deprivation of humanity without going full Mao.
The whole message of the series revolves around a goddamn slippery slope fallacy.
By “Mao”, do you mean, like Mao in “Code Geass” or Mao Zedong? Sorry, those are the only two Maos I know, so…
@@litrim1285 ayy l'mao the dong, glorious chairman of starvation any% speedrunning. (Option B)
@@FelisImpurrator That comment made my eyes bleed
thank you
If it went full Mao then the second they killed the cyclops, a horde of smaller creatures that the cyclops had been keeping away would have come to completely destroy the crops while the landlord that teamed up with him would get executed.
The name Ethan doesn't bother me too much, but I get what you mean.
I mean, it's better than Keith. You know? Like, "Look out for the Arisen, Keith!"
For anime Ethan works if the surname is super anime/sci fi as hell.
"Eth
@@rainofkhandaq6678 Not just anime. Luke Skywalker anyone?
I understood that reference
That's evil ski teams for you...
I thought it wasoddly generic for the game, it dpesn't sound like an old-timey name like most of the other characters in the game, but just a generic stereotypical american name. Which is what Japan tends to do, even though the game itself had its own brand of unique names.
Selene is arguably one of the most important characters of the game because she confirms that pawns can have free will or agency. Amazing that they wrote her out of the plot.
Also I'd love to see Geoff's revisit of this anime when he plays the game.
Unless this was based on another time entirely, Then the ignored a whole lot more of the game's plot than just Selene, Like King Edmun, the existence of the Dragonforged, Julien's plot of working with the cult to potentially weaken Gransys, among a myriad of other smaller questlines
I find it ironic that most likely the people who believe in the philosophies this show presents don't like it because it makes their ideals look dum and illogical. (They are but still)
Also, wolves hunt in packs.
@@TheGaleden like they literally could've just copied the Dragon's Dogma story beat by beat, and it'd be better.
@@jackhazardous4008 I mean, the story isn't even all that long. Traveling(without stones) is the longest part of the game, which was the whole selling point on top of fighting giant beasts.
honestly, the thing that dissapoints me the most about this adaptation is that they're probably going to think ''yeah nobody liked this, let's never try it again'' so we'll probably never have a good anime adaptation to the game we all love so much.
this makes me very very sad, big corporations suck.
What even gets them doing shit like this!?
@@yuyaricachimuel555 money, as usual
@@kogu9676 they ought to have the fucking competence!
@@yuyaricachimuel555 honestly, they don't... It's sad like that
Big corporations suck? You are starting to sound like the lich!
"Drugs are bad. Mmmkay?"
And then confetti shoots out
Personally, I don't like how they went with the typical anime trope of "the protagonist is powered by anger/hype", considering the way you survive in the game is through strategy and teamwork. But it's a good thing that the writers clearly haven't played the game, since if they knew that becoming what is essentially a God is one of the game's outcomes then they would double down on preachy bullshit.
lol it isn't even one of the outcomes, it is THE outcome, the true probably canon ending.
You probably have a point there. I retract my complaints about them not being accurate to the games at all.
There’s an augment called Exhilaration that the Fighter (which Ethan is clearly based on) vocation gets at rank 5, it boost strength when health is low which was conveyed when Ethan struggled against the Hydra. Still kinda weird they gave him a power up like that but it’s not entirely unfounded within the game itself.
Ethan was a flawed Arisen. He was consumed by wrath since the beggining. Hence we don't see the sensechal or the others.
This also means that ethan is not the Arisen that we know. Since we don't see characters from the game.
As we all know, DD is a cycle of Arisen. Meaning, we're going to see multiple storiespf Arisens and we'll see thier downfalls.
@alpha All in all we haven't seen an Arisen with that type of rage.
Why did they ruin this? Dragon's Dogma is such a great game. It deserved something better.
Like a Dragon's Dogma 2 for example. PLEASE CAPCOM MAKE IT HAPPEN!
Agreed!!!
It is a great game but I'm not sure it's good adaption material. Games in general are hard to adapt and double that for open, wide ranging games like Dragon's Dogma.
they are working on it
Don't you mean 3 Dragon Dogma: Dark Arisan is the second game
@@poetscotty No, Dark Arisen was an expansion to the first game and later used as the name for the PC release which included the expansion.
So the Berserk knockoff cg-anime gets decent animation, but actual cg Berserk doesn't. What a reality to live in....
I KNOW RIGHT?! Berserk would look better in 2D with 3D supplements, but the anime would have been so much better with this studio! FUCK
Anyone else wish they could have just animated Ashe and Olra's journey and how Bitter Black Isle came to be? The final nail to this coffin is the omission of the Seneschal and the cycle, the only good thing about this is I guess the humanisation of pawns because in the game they're basically emotionless but slowly learn what feeling is like until the day their master dies in which they are granted their masters life force and thus free will.
The story is basically just Ashe and grette but done badly.
I like how they showed the dragon flying back to the vortex he spawns from at the beginning because??? He's going for a nappy I guess? Or because it was in the game and that's cool? 😭
"This whole anime was just an extremely convoluted, impulsive suicide attempt."
*Castlevania has entered the chat*
DOOM would like a word
???
@@nathanlevesque7812 (the joke is that the first 2 seasons of Castlevania are literally the exact same plot but done well)
dududu du duuu du
The Grigori is a much more compelling character in the game. Unlike the show, the game wasn't obsessed with shoving bad philosophy down your throat.
Actually the opposite, it shoved GOOD philosophy down your throat XD the entire final fight against Grigori in the game is one huge existential crises made worse when you fight the Seneschal
"wolves hunt in packs, arisen"
"Find an opening and strike!"
What bothers me was the MC woke up the snake and made it enter the city. And for some reason the Mc try to blame the addict that the wife is dead?
Damn they had solid lore and setting for them on a silver platter. The dragons motives are actually pretty interesting in the game. It actually IS against their will to maim and destroy. Would actually have loved to see the lore portrayed, makes it such a shame.
“Don’t worry it’s all good, those villagers will be forced into almost total slavery and thus will do nothing but be productive until they die of exhaustion so it’s a win win.” Wow I never thought about it like that before!
2:56 "why do the parents, the largest humans, not simply eat the other two"
Let me tell you something about how fucking unfair these incredibly classist tones are when compared to the original game’s themes.
*SPOILER WARNING!!*
In the game, Gransys is a duchy ruled by a mad duke whose court is so decadent as to ignore and exploit the plight of the common people. The duke’s madness originated from the time when he as an arisen sacrificed his beloved to the dragon in exchange for survival and power; he even murders his young wife out of grief, guilt, and utter madness unless you stop him. YOU, a hero from a poor fishing village whose parents were killed in your youth, have the choice to go out of your way to help the common people, buying houses for peasantry who then know you as a friend, saving your kinsmen from being framed and punished under an unjust legal system that favours corrupt nobles, and saving people from goblins just because. Your house is so barren that calling it “humble” is generous, your ambitions are implied to be quaint before the dragon changes everything, and you stay in touch with old friends who become church sisters and wanderers; humble, lower class, DECENT people.
The show throws these themes out the window. Ethan starts out the show living in a nice house and is implied to earn a decent living, enough to not need to worry about taking on the responsibility of fathering two children while letting his wife stay at home to do domestic work, and goes morally downhill when he loses this comfortable life. I understand it’s traumatic, but it’s such a departure from the original game’s message; you are a salt of the earth “good fisher” who (compared to Ethan) holds onto your humanity, who sets out to avenge your village and countrymen while battling conspiracy and an upper class that sets out to make your life as difficult as possible. The lower class is not inherently decadent, cruel, or opportunistic, but this show is quick to demonize them and place them on the same level as the tyrannical class that takes advantage of them to fuel an unnecessarily luxurious lifestyle. I will acknowledge that I played a do-gooder character (a female arisen, which makes the “woman in the fridge” cliches so much more infuriating) and that my experience is biasing my take, but canonically the arisen gave all they were to save the world and people they loved. They came from near nothing, and they gave everything until they had nothing more to give.
In conclusion, this show really botched what I feel in retrospect was such a vital theme in the game; those in power do not always have your best interest in mind, and those of lower status have more interest in throwing down tyrants than becoming tyrants themselves.
Thank you for reading my incredibly Marxist and sleep deprived rant X)
Except Fournival we scrubbed his ass clear of corruption in order to get access to those sweet sweet patriarchs and makers arrow
@@thomaslareau453 I think Fournival was innocent... wasn't he? Or was it just that he had committed some crimes but for the greater good?
I mean, he does try to kick a family out of a house they were renting but it's not out of maliciousness. It's because they can't pay for the house. You can offer to buy the house from Fournival and give it to the family and he's actually pretty happy with that option since he gets paid and the family can keep the house. Honestly, asking you to negotiate the eviction in the first place is pretty decent of him because he's basically hiring an impartial 3rd party to convince the family to move out. He could, presumably, call on the guards to enact the law and force the family out, but doesn't.
Either way, Fournival seems to be a morally neutral or good character. I think the worst thing he does is spoil his daughter.
@@duskmare0000 Yeah, Fournival is pretty chill. I still sent him to jail because he was annoying kinda, but oh well.
@@duskmare0000 With how the ledgers paint it, Fournival /does/ acquire rep+money through unsavory, but not entirely illegal means. Character references are usually skewed or in gray tones or are wishy-washy overall. While yes, he has engaged in shady ordeals so has everyone else in the court and the fact he's getting put on trial by other corrupt court members does say something.
However, he does provide for Symone and is a loving father, he's also viewed favorably by Father Gefferey, and in "ancient medieval times" this was more than likely providing tithes to keep the church afloat (as a lot of churches did in ye olde tiemes.) He's also placed in a good light by a petition "from a different estate" which really relies on you to decide if that's for providing shady deals or offering services/goods to other capitals, as the Duke is often remarked to be rather frugal in dealings.
This paired with the comment explaining how the Arisen you play is literally supposed to canonically be the one to sacrifice themself to kill fate after recognizing that mindlessly following a predetermined hierarchy is the most existentially miserable state of affairs in the universe...
Man, this really is a fucking good game. How based can you get?
Considering the dragon in the game was meant to serve as a method for finding a new guardian of the world, basically a God like character, this dragon is way out of the way of its original purpose
Let's be honest, the dragon was the most relatable and endearing character in the show. After seeing how terminally stupid everyone in this world acted I have nothing but sympathy for the beast.
i like to imagine that he said dragons kill just because for the sheer fucking hell of it. it's not like the humans in this show have much in the brain department
"Dragon, why did you do these atrocities?!" Dragon: "I had to make someone an Arisen so they could go on a "hero's" journey, to facilitate cool fight scenes."
Agreed, it must be done.
But he also contracted the stupid
@@joshualayton1905 he knew which is why he wanted to be put down.
I had to stop watching for a bit around the 27 minute mark because I'm genuinely scared the show is going to say something worse than "slavery is good because it stops people from doing drugs"
Well I have news for you
It's true though.
It doesn't even do that we have slavery still it's called Prisons.
@@aria5614 how is being a slave the same as being a prisoner (assuming that you have actually done something against the law) ?
@@CaptainTitforce
Maybe you don't live in America and are coming at this with a different perspective but, uh...
"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, _except as a punishment for crime_ whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
In the Game: The quest to kill the dragon is to test how far will the Arisen go to reclaim their heart. A test of will power. Then ince they kill the dragon they have a choice to become LITERAL GOD and send the previous god down to the world as the next dragon to choose the next arisen to then continue the cycle. The pawns serve the Arisen as the one who will provide comfort and wisdom to the Arisen and also the reason pawns ezist at all is because they were each hand made by several arisen from several worlds. And gain their humanity from your character's sacrifice.
Anime: Kill dragon become you just freaking hate it because it took your heart and the lives of your friends and family only to be consumed by your own rage and become the dragon. BUT WHAT THE HELL IS PURPOSE OF PAWNS IN THIS UNIVERSE IT MAKES NO SENSE AND WHY IS SHE A HYBRID CLASS AAAAAAH BY THE MAKER THIS SUCKS
the "logical" statement by hannah isnt even logical. them being larger and needing more nourishment is *exactly* why it was the correct decision. it uses the same amount of resouerces to maximize the amount of survivors, which would require the same upkeep, and have the longest remaining lifespan.
"Why does Ross, the largest Friend," etc etc.
@@typacsk in addition, you're going to want the survivors to be people who learn faster. children are still in the critical learning period and therefore learn faster than adults.
in summary, this is a situation where what is logical and what is moral overlap completely. logic is not cruel. it may be cold, but it is never cruel.
She was stating it doesn’t make sense from a self preservation stand point.
@@RadDEATHTRAP except, again, i already explained why you're wrong.
@@alexanderleonardi3625 you’re arguing semantics. She’s saying the care tires need changing but they’re adding an oil filter.
You’re arguing they need a new radiator.
I feel like this criticism gets thrown around a little too much, but here it fits way too well: This feels like something I wrote and thought was deep and smart when I was 13.
Now, now, I'm sure even 13 year old you would do a better job than this.
craaaawwling iiiiin my skiiiin kind of sums it up, good song though
"Humans are flawed and inherently evil creatures. Anyway, I'm just off to pointlessly murder a bunch of humans for the lols. But I'm definitely still a superior being!"
The cringey biased agenda fueled sophistry reminded me of watching a PragerU vid.
@@darwinxavier3516 I mean, yeah. Explain the way it treats women.
The dragon didn't damage the village that much in the game. He just went on a beach and killed a bunch of people.
The game and the Anime doesn't share a story only the basics (dragon, arisen and paws) the story in the Anime is a prequel to the story of the game, that dragon isn't our dragon and that arisen isn't our arisen is a prequel, a really bad prequel
I mean, an arisen can become the dragon, only if they get defeated by the final god boss though. In the game, if you defeat the dragon, all hell breaks loose, literally. No hole in the sky, no hole in the capital. Like, have the writers actually played the game, or at least read the game wiki?
@@joseantonioprietosanchez7788 this sounds familiar
I personally believe that Dragon's Dogma, the game, is a goddamn masterpiece.
That being said, this show was a mistake and is an insult to the game.
Children actually need nutrients more than adults because their bodies are still growing and that takes a lot of energy. So it is actually more logical for the children to take priority at feeding time. This is something I notice a lot of lazy writers use, writing someone to sound smart without being smart. Like how Temperance Brenden on Bones constantly mentions how Logical something is, even if she said something completely contradictory the previous episode (I loved Bones, Still do to be honest, but rewatching it makes me realize how little she makes sense to people who actually know things and how often Booths folksy and slightly conservatives wisdom is framed as the right thing even if that is only because Bones is written to be wrong).
Hopefully Capcom ignores this show and just makes a faithful sequel.
Or, re-releases a finished, re-mastered version of the original. The game, as great as it was, felt very rushed at times, and I'd love to see the vision fully realised. (Example: you can be caught in the Duchess Consort's bed chambers, be tortured for it, then set free by the guilt-ridden consort, then walk right back to the throne room and have a polite chat with the Duke.)
@@maximsavage Maybe, but if they do that, they really have to expand the game and not just add a few things here and there, almost like it was a sequel.
@@gameaddict1074 I get the feeling that if they finished it, really finished it, there'd be a lot of extra content. Although, an expansion would of course be great.
@@maximsavage But that's the tricky part: what is missing? Also, I would rather they make a new game (remake or sequel) than an expansion, Dragon's Dogma deserves more than that.
@@maximsavage Yeah, there's like an entire WORLD missing from the game
No Seneschal, no Everfall, not even goddamn Bitterblack Isle. The entirety of this anime was in speed run mode and it hurted.
That's... the point. The reason Ethan failed as an Arisen is because he started speedrunning the story fueled by his rage
Ethan didnt even use a Inn, so he didnt even level up his vocations
@Profile ummm man that joke i said just wizzed passed you, i was talking about the in game mechnic of using an inn to lvl up your skills....wow
@Profile damn thats a really needlessly long way to say "Ethan was at an inn at some point, watch episode 5 bruh."
@@krejtek9654 Except the mythology of the game doesn't work the way portrayed in the show; the Arisen CAN become the new dragon but by losing to the Seneschal, not by killing the dragon while really angry. Killing the dragon results in a dead dragon and access to the Seneschal regardless of one's state of mind.
I love grimdark where all problems are eventually chalked up to “there is a magical force of suck we invented whose only purpose is suck for no particular or rational reason, now feel bad about the suck”
Wow, this entire anime is just deep-throating the boot.
Might as well be titled “appeal to authority”
Interesting possible twists this show could have done.
1. The Noble could have been leaving the ogre alive because he found a way to control the ogre and believes the loss of life is worth the benefits of having a ogre in his control (possibly a weapon he could use against the dragon)
2. The man actually starts wreaking the goblins to the point they start running away in fear. Because of this he decides to let them go showing off how scared they were of him. Once they’re a good distance away however one of them fires an arrow killing the wife instantly
3. The workers all think that the moss is safe to smoke and have before been unable to for the lord made it illegal in the town. However, it turns out the lord secretly has a process that deludes the moss to a safe point while smoking it without this process will simply lead to a painless death. The lord keeps this process a complete secret to grow a monopoly on it and any unofficial routes will likely accidentally kill off their customers and likely themselves when sampling the merchandise.
Edit: probably giving this topic more thought than it deserves but came up with a few more things
1. Continued. This twist can go many ways. Maybe the protagonist decides to help the noble. Maybe after he helps the Noble a mysterious man comes forward and says the king will just control the people. Maybe when he hears that the protagonist kills the noble but then it turns out the mysterious man profits greatly from this so maybe he lied. How many twists until the protagonist just gives up even trying in this situation?
2. Continued. Instead of the woman actually showing sexual desires for the protagonist make it clear that this is all an act because this is the only way she thinks she can stay safe; by kissing up to a man that may protect her. Maybe you can make it tragic by showing the reason she thinks like this is because she was raised like that.
3. Continued. Continuing with the first twist how the moss actually kills if I wanted to keep the theme of the sins perhaps instead of being lazy druggies maybe they’re being lazy and ignoring the warning signs that the moss may be dangerous. Also when the hydra attacks the villagers look on in horror. Not wanting the painful death of being swallowed whole and slowly digested they look to the moss they have. The episode ends with one of the girls screaming as they see the smoke rising from the houses. It’s up to the viewer to imagine how many people they save if there’s any left to save as well as any scenes that end up like the ending of The Mist
4. This is for the lich episode. Keep the Basic structure but actually make the monster that’s a representation of greed actually be a representation of greed. Don’t do this give us the orange lantern and not this Karl Marx bs. The rude knight still believes that this is due to their “treasonous idea”. That is till one last scene where we see that the knight’s lord has come down with the curse of greed as well and the once self righteous knight looks down while listening to his king’s manic laughter and in his hands are a couple bags of gold ready to be given to the soldiers’s family. It leaves there letting the viewer to think about what happens next. Does he stick to his principles? Does he do the right thing? Is he found out by the king and is tried for treason? Is the cursed coin among those bags of treasure?
Indeed. You know that this show is crap when CZcams commenters can pull more original plot twists out of their @$$es. 😁👍
@@KnakuanaRka thank you I’ll take that as a compliment
The goblin episode was fucking cringe
On that first one, that’s sort of a thing that’s already established in the canon. Salvation (dragon-worshipping apocalypse cult) have the ability to, to a degree, control monsters by using magic. The monster will even have a distinct mark on it to signify this. So, like everyone else here, you’ve made far better use of the established lore than the writers of this show did.
@@somethingotherthanmyrealname and if I may add accidentally. I haven’t played the series so I know nothing about the lore except what I’ve learned in the comments of this video
oh my god they made 7 episodes and named them after the 7 deadly sins
on my god
how can you be that cliche in the year of our lord 2020
I didn't realize that I hate it soo much now
I thought it was Geoff doing, but when he said "so in the episode called sloth" I was like, wait what!?
My God...Even fanfictions don't do that anymore.
Each episode went downhill to the end. Ended bad like Seven. Seven was a good movie. This was garbage
Actually that is the theme. And ultimatley the flaw of Ethan.
Give me a chance okay.
Ethan is a flawrd Arisen ever since his wife was schorched by the Dragon.
He was consumed by wrath and hate, but also developed pride for destroying the dragon.
The titles are cliche, BUT THEY WORK. Every sin was propelled onto Ethan and the whole damn thing is a test from the Senschal.
fact: the dragon from the game and the anime are the same person; David lodge. they butchered his voice with filter in the anime.
Oof......
Wait, it's really him? Jeeze, at least let him speak a bit of latin...
Not that Dragon Dogma's lore is rich as, say, Dark Souls, but they stripped off 75% of it to make a dumb short re-interpreted version and run it poorly. The review is quite accurate in most points, if you knew about all the game plot you would be even more pissed off.
(Spoilers for dragon's dogma)
I think one of the worst things was how they handled the arisen and dragon parallel. You see, the dragon isn't strictly evil, he is a test for the arisen. The arisen is destined to become god and the dragon is sent out to find a worthy person for the title. That's why grigori attacks cassardis, he's looking for a worthy individual and what does he find? As guards flee in terror, you the arisen pick up their swords to defend your home. It was never a story of revenge, it was a story of courage. A story of someone brave enough to face the odds to save others was seen as worthy by a dragon to be the next god of the world. But it wasn't just a battle. Grigori gave the arisen deal, a deal that would cost him his worthiness (something he didn't know about). A deal to offer his love in exchange for the safety of the world. The dragon tested arisen mercilessly. There is so much wrong with the main 2 characters of the story it's ridiculous
I'd like to add that Grigori is also a much more interesting character in the game. For starters, the way he fulfils his role, which is basically to die, even complimenting you during his boss fight. The fact that he absolutely sticks to his word if one chooses to do the sacrifice. Hell, just the implication of his journey prior to his current situation is fascinating.
In the anime they decided that "killing entire villages is my nature" made for a more interesting antagonist.
In the anime the dragon kept saying its in its nature to kill people like an animal but it seems like its just sadistically terrorizing people. Grigori actually had a reason to attack Cassardis: to find a worthy Arisen. The guards run away and your character takes a sword and attacks Grigori, making you worthy. Grigori leaves once it finds an Arisen.
The guards in the anime fight the dragon but it still continues to wreak havoc and kills a kid and prego woman cuz much mature anime
The game premise actually sounds really cool. I'll have to check it out sometime.
@@CreditR01 you won't regret it. The story is really good and the gameplay is phenomenal. Ask anyone about combat and they will tell you it's unparalleled
@@bronzytwo0533 Yup. Personally, the best Magic System you'll ever use. Throwing out your first Maelstrom is amazing
It feels like they did the most typical anime thing. That being they took the most recognizable names or titles out of the story then vaguely reference the source material while completely rewriting the story. So its pretty much dragons dogma in name, and the fact theres a dragon, an arisen, a cyclops, a griffin, a pawn, and a duke but besides those things being present it’s essentially something entirely different.
Yes ! The game is absolutely not edgy
Worst part is, for some people, it's dragon's dogma as long as there is a dragon and an arisen.
The Dragon in the game probably has one best voices in video games, the one in the anime sounds like a 14 year old trying to be Shakespearian villain
Sad thing is, both are the same voice actor..
28:48 "Breathing is a need, If we don't do it... we die!"
And presumably the same goes for the Dragon. Assuming the author has two brain cells to rub together it means that the Dragon is driven by an instinctual need that will cause him immeasurable suffering and drives him to kill humans.
It really sucks that this anime completely missed the entire mark of what Dragons Dogma was even about. The seven deadly sins gimmick is so uninspired and dull. The arisen doesn't even become a dragon by succumbing to rage, they become a dragon by losing a duel with fucking God. I want to enjoy it, but its story doesn't even do Dragons Dogma's justice. Say what you will about how little of the game is dedicated to the Dragon and Arisen struggle, at least the game put you doing things that built the world, and a lot of it was voluntary world building too. The Salvation cult in the game was better than anything in the anime and it wasn't even a focal point of the game, just the designers pulling a long-con troll on the players by saying "none of that meant anything". The only part it even somewhat did decently was the Pawn, Hannah. She slowly became more Humane and less rigid, as the will of the master shapes the soulless pawn, but even that is somewhat rocky.
Lots of hype, and it delivered poorly. At least it might garner enough people to play the game so that a second one gets made.
Well to be fair about salvation, since Grigori was so old, its no surprise when you think about it that he would gain a cult following. Seeing as how Dragonforged was 1000+ years old and Grigori had his heart too.
I don't know if I want to see what a Dragon's Dogma 2 would be like if it was made to appeal to fans of the anime...
@@timothymclean I really hope they just ignore the anime.
If they wanted to tell a sad nihilistic tragic grimdark story, then they could have told the story of the Dark Arisen of the Bitterblack dlc. That story is PRIME grimdark fodder. I mean, it literally is a tragic lovestory with a sad bittersweet ending
To be honest, I kind of like the idea as a way to test to the arisen, but it would be more fitting to know why they are being tested for these sins; to be able to be worthy as seneschal, unfortunate the cycle never really made it in the same way the game talked about.
Man the thing that made me most mad at this show was how they treated the dragon. Look at how they massacred our boy! I would listen to Grigori read me bedtime stories while I murdered him because that is our relationship and the cycle is neverending but not this thing. This ain't our dragon
i haven't played dragon's dogma, but from the clips i have seen, grogori seems like an amazingly made dragon, with a great personality and melodious voice. i'm pretty sure game grigori would go on a fucking crusade to destroy anime grigori, because that just ain't the dragon we know and love
The weirdest part is I think the voice actor for Grigori's was actually the same, but I couldn't even tell because they put some sort of crappy filter over their voice.
@@BlazingAbyss oh you have got to be kidding me
@@thomaseasley2938 Nope, I was super excited when I saw they had the same voice actor but I dont know what they did differently to make him so weak. Probably partially time constraints and the voice actor might be very old now. Not sure.
@@purplefanta7142 well that makes sense
After watching Anime America's recent video about how bad the Japanese Government treats their citizens this series becomes more frighteningly put in perspective: this isn't endorsing "feudalism" per say, but rather trying to enforce the Japanese ideals of people sacrificing everything, including personal well-being and safety, for "The good of the country".
The peasants going "crazy" after being freed from the duke well that's just to show that Japanese citizens don't have the self-control to govern themselves and should support their leaders no matter how much they just take from them and consume.
Not divvying up the gold to help veterans, of course now that they don't contribute you should just toss them aside and give the government their rightful wealth by doing your job.
The people hiding in the cave just getting high, Ethan proposes bringing back the "lord" to put them to work because anyone who refuses to slave away for the government might as well be so high they can't do anything useful.
I don't know where the unsatisfied wife and succubus come into things... well the succubus could easily be interpreted as "Sex is bad and you should avoid learning about it" thing that series like Shimoneta and "Oh ladies in your savage seasons" criticizes. As for the Pride and dragon change thing... I think maybe "anyone who tries to upend a powerful figure will become just as corrupt so why bother trying"? but that's a stretch even for me.
Toxic Bushido would be the term I use to describe it, the idea that people aren't individuals but pieces of a whole whose only purpose is to support the country even when there isn't a crisis going on.
Sorry for the rant but I just had this revelation and had to get it out of my system
You probably put more thought into this show than the creators/writer's of it i just wished it was similar to the game
There is also the first episode being a gigantic red flag with Ethan's family. Background exposition, pregnant wife, everyone is happy, all the usual and generic red flags. They don't even try to hide it for the entire episode, and then somehow you have to pretend to be shocked when something you saw coming a mile away happens.
My fault for being hyped due to how much I love DD and DD:DA but holy shit that was awful.
Also gamewise, Hannah wasn't possible. Pawns can't be Magick Archers, but that's just nitpickkng.
His transition from 'Drugs are bad, mkay' drugs are- OH SH~T A HYDRA!' scared me more than the actual episode.
The Hydra was just a drug induced hallucination. At least, I wish this anime had been...
If humans had such a weak will, LOTR would have had a much shorter story.
Imagine Saruman calling it quits to smoke pipeweed 24/7
@@ananousous Would have been an entirely different movie. The first time a human would touch the ring he'd immediately proclaim Sauron as his rightful lord and walk up to your friendly Nazghoul post man because he has a special delivery.
human beings are incredibly weak willed though and even just seeing the ring caused issues in several occurences.
@@jajordan2106 In the main story three humans (Boromir, Aragorn, and Faramir) had their will tested by the ring and only one of them failed that test, and Boromir realized he did something terrible right after said failure.
-Dumbledore- Saruman was right actually
- Some Libertarian on the Internet
it amazes me that the cannon ending to this anime is the ending they threw in as a joke, where if you die on the final boss you become the dragon and repeat the ‘endless cycle’. the entire point of dragons dogma is that even though you triumphed over an impossible goal and became an omniscient god, you turned it down to reject fate. ethan literally missed the entire point of the story and failed his quest, which is honestly kind of fitting for the anime. idk if they were geniuses or idiots but they did in fact make an anime
I wouldn't say that was a joke ending, it was more of just a separate ending showing where new dragons come from.
I love how consistently Geoff despises neoliberalism. Same honestly 😂
Ah man, they did my pal Grigori dirty... In the game he is you, at the end of his journey. He knows all the terrible choices you will have to make and everything that comes after, everything that came before. He never knew if there was a way out of the cycle and he is too fatalistic to hope anymore and yet he spurns the arisen on, in mockery and in challenge. At the end of the game, he is the only I could really relate to!
Grigori in the game even offered you to take the easy way out and not fight him. Ensuring your survival and reputation of the dragon slayer even though you didn't do anything. Plus your character literally becomes the next heartless king of Gransys showing the cycle will always continue
"That would explain the recurring theme of unsatisfied wives"
Savage. I love... dry humour.
As an Ethan, I’m offended by association to this guy