Question Since the 1978-1996 B-bodys share the exact same front suspension components as the A-body 73-77 and 70-81 2nd Generation F-body and rear sway bar for A-body 64-72. Also B-bodys only vary in wheelbase from a first Generation A-body by a inch, and frame width is damned close as well. With that being said would this frame brace kit work on the 1978 - 96 B-body? frame
I would have made all the cuts then sandblasted the frame and painted the inside with weld through primer at least. Then after wards blasted again and powder coated.
There is no ACTUAL bodymount in the center, its merely a cushion block bushing with no bolt in it from the factory, the body just sits on the bushing and it isn't secured at all. This boxing kit makes it a proper bodymount with a bolt provision and adds a significant amount of rigidity and structure to the unit doing so.
@@rustysausage69 I know from the factory a coupe just has a cushion to set on and a convertible has bolt in the center hole from the factory and boxed frame to help keep the car from twisting otherwise there can be door shutting and closing issues do to no roof to stabilize the structure like a coupe.
@@DanneyTanner I have heard about these kind of issues on convertibles. I am having a hard time visualizing how bolting center of body to a frame rail would stop body pillars flexing. Seems like reinforcement is needed in body in that case, chassis needs strength to resist beaming and twist forces from powerplant and road inputs. Is there any videos you can point me to that have pictures documenting the issues?
@peterendyke4165 the frame side of the mount is easy and self explanatory. The reason you need to drop body on is to weld the threaded bung into the body's sheet metal crossmember which allows an additional body mount in the mid section of the chassis.
Why didn't you weld the entire frame rail. With decent horsepower tack-welds aren't enough and will pop. I noticed there weren't any levels used. I have an A-Body and know just how flimsy they are. Weren't you worried about welding the kit onto a frame that wasn't completely square?
Eso de montar las planchas en tensión no creo que sea una buena idea pero vamos, es que tampoco hacía falta bastaba con haberlas colocado bien digo yo, no?
@@projectgattago you obviously didn’t pay attention to your own installation video🤔🤷♂️ there are 2 pcs to box the frame with this kit .. it was a simple question you apparently have no idea what I have asked
@@shawns57garage This was done almost 6 years ago and it wasn't on my car. I just thought people would like to see the process. This is not meant to be a step by step tutorial.
The skinny guy welding with no gloves, short sleeves, no helmet at all, shorts and no telling what other stupid decisions you guys made. I mean, what the hell??
Always good to weld without a shield!
Question
Since the 1978-1996 B-bodys share the exact same front suspension components as the A-body 73-77 and 70-81 2nd Generation F-body and rear sway bar for A-body 64-72.
Also B-bodys only vary in wheelbase from a first Generation A-body by a inch, and frame width is damned close as well.
With that being said would this frame brace kit work on the 1978 - 96 B-body? frame
I would call Hellwig and see what they have to say. My guess is that it "probably" would work.
@@projectgattago
Ok.
Thanks for the Reply, & Great Video!!
cleaning the inside isn't important? Did you guys end up dipping the frame or ?
I would have made all the cuts then sandblasted the frame and painted the inside with weld through primer at least. Then after wards blasted again and powder coated.
This almost turns a hard top frame into a convertible. I assume this is used where the owner doesn't want a roll cage. Nice kit.
I dont understand moving the center body mounts if thats what they are doing..
Which part don't you understand? The center body mount is still there. The Hellwig kit adds an extra body mount.
There is no ACTUAL bodymount in the center, its merely a cushion block bushing with no bolt in it from the factory, the body just sits on the bushing and it isn't secured at all. This boxing kit makes it a proper bodymount with a bolt provision and adds a significant amount of rigidity and structure to the unit doing so.
@@rustysausage69 I know from the factory a coupe just has a cushion to set on and a convertible has bolt in the center hole from the factory and boxed frame to help keep the car from twisting otherwise there can be door shutting and closing issues do to no roof to stabilize the structure like a coupe.
@@DanneyTanner I have heard about these kind of issues on convertibles. I am having a hard time visualizing how bolting center of body to a frame rail would stop body pillars flexing. Seems like reinforcement is needed in body in that case, chassis needs strength to resist beaming and twist forces from powerplant and road inputs. Is there any videos you can point me to that have pictures documenting the issues?
How many hours total did this take?
4-5 hours
Who made the nice clamps
I wish I could tell you, but I do not know.
What type of welder was used for the frame? TIG or MIG?
MIG
That's just what Tom bought.
Do you have to put the body back on the frame? That seems like a huge step for a DIYer in a normal home garage.
You have to put the body back to install the extra body mount in the middle.
Why can't Hellwig just give accurate measurements to properly position the new body mount?
@peterendyke4165 the frame side of the mount is easy and self explanatory. The reason you need to drop body on is to weld the threaded bung into the body's sheet metal crossmember which allows an additional body mount in the mid section of the chassis.
Why didn't you weld the entire frame rail. With decent horsepower tack-welds aren't enough and will pop. I noticed there weren't any levels used. I have an A-Body and know just how flimsy they are. Weren't you worried about welding the kit onto a frame that wasn't completely square?
This wasn't my car. I was just documenting the process. The car that this frame was for turned out awesome.
Eso de montar las planchas en tensión no creo que sea una buena idea pero vamos, es que tampoco hacía falta bastaba con haberlas colocado bien digo yo, no?
We did what the instructions told us to do.
Is lower plate welded from the top or ?
I don't recall there being a lower plate.
@@projectgattago well it wasn’t a single pc ? There was one on bottom…
@@shawns57garage The bottom is just the stock frame rail.
@@projectgattago you obviously didn’t pay attention to your own installation video🤔🤷♂️ there are 2 pcs to box the frame with this kit .. it was a simple question you apparently have no idea what I have asked
@@shawns57garage This was done almost 6 years ago and it wasn't on my car. I just thought people would like to see the process. This is not meant to be a step by step tutorial.
how are you getting to trans cross member bolts !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You add L shaped pads on the sides, like the convertible frames had.
@Projectgattago do you have to shorten or modify the crossmember to mount on the new brackets?
why the hellwig kit over hpi kit?
cheaper I guys
cheaper I guys
Why you copy HPI video music
What's HPI?
😜
I just used iMovie music...
The skinny guy welding with no gloves, short sleeves, no helmet at all, shorts and no telling what other stupid decisions you guys made. I mean, what the hell??
doinjusfine1 This wasn't meant to be a safety demonstration! People should use their own best judgement.
Safety is nothing to half ass.. what a shame..