Why GOOD Players Get STUCK in LOW ELO - League of Legends
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While i agree with alot of what you said.
Regarding how the Jinx clip goes, SHE missplayed that on a mechanical side as far as i see it.
We clearly see her blasting rockets.
525 (minigun), 700 (rocket)
Yeah well I hired a booster and he can't get me out of iron he's a diamond peaker but like wtf
LEARN TO ACCEPT THAT RIOTS MAATCHMAKING IS BROKEN,. AND STOP EXPLAIN SOME BULLSHITS :)
I’ve decided that the only lesson I’ve learned today is that my teammates really are holding me down and I belong in challenger.
Based
Doubtful.
True XD
You decided to speak the true
Same.
High elo is real league of legends
Low elo is a social experiment that tests the limits of a persons patience, stress tolerance, and ability to work around 4 people that need to be carried
"There's no "I" in team, but there's 4 in Inting Idiots"
--- Rav
Bless Rav
lol
Then you realize high elo is the same as low elo, just it's harder to carry yourself and you rely even more on your team.
This is a definition of high elo by someone who has never played in it
@@bsp3971 highest I've gotten to is diamond so you're right lol
Whenever i smurf between Silver-Platinum, ive always noticed 2 things that happen in almost every game:
1. Theres always 1-2 players that imo dont belong on those elos because they have nice macro game understanding or are mechanically good, but what holds them down is their ego + their teammates bad decisions
2. The bad players are not only bad per se, their mental is reaaaaally bad, they waste like 10 seconds or more every 2-3 minutes typing, are always pointing someone else mistake and they are way too overconfident.
In my opinion is really sad that riot havent developed a different way to calculate RP gain/lose, they should take in consideration personal performance rather than win-lose situations, i mean things like csing, objectives, KP, etc should reduce the amount of LP you lose or increase the LP gain in every game, that would make people motivated to play better every game rather than queing into a game hoping the coin flips on their favor
what rank are u?
@@namthanh9485 You can say they are held down by bad teammates, or you can say their plays aren't adaptive/flexible enough.
Agreed as a former booster there have been players in platinum+ who are mechanically sound and give me a run for my money in lane or make the game 10x harder to close out, it's just 1-2 big mistakes like these that allow me to come out with the win. You really have to adapt to the elo that you're in to climb fast.
So agree with you in that points!
True man I agree I am d2 main account and feel the same. I hard stomp carry every elo till it’s in plat elo. That’s when the ego and the bad teammates really happen in low elo. Plat is the king of trash teammate and sabotaging
I like how he assumed they took baron because nasus died when the correct reason was probably “oh it’s up and at least 2 of us are nearby, let’s grab it”
Lol
"We are aware this is a situation that you are unlikely to ever be in"
That teemo example happens so often in my games its frustrating, and when it happens im usually as an adc not able to stop the splitpush and just die
Like so much!.. And can't even count the games where we win 45/30 but keep on chasing, letting the sidelaner take the game for itself trying to reach 49/30 for some reasons.
you can stop the splitpush by sitting under tower, if hes fed enough to dive you and youre not strong enough to do something, it is kinda your fault
@@-sorta yes because fed adcs can definitely defend a tower from a someone like irelia, olaf, jax, garen that was either slightly fed or has ample items... surely they don't die or trade 1 for 1 and give bounty, surely.
@@-sorta a 2/7 side laner can 1v1 a 5/1 adc and come out with 75% hp
You dont need to kill the split pusher just clear the wave
"your team mate dying one time", yeah, but my team mate died 14 times.
muffin
and? carry it
@@JosefZeethuvenwhen your team is giving good dinner to enemy team it's hard to carry almost impossible
@@flvr5463 forsure bro your forsure high elo with this take
@@JosefZeethuvenwhat's ur elo?
5:40 "In low ELO you never want to commit to plays that rely on any competence by you teammates"
I'm a support. My entire existance relies on competence of my teammates.
play a carry support :)
Play brand, zyra, senna or at least xerath (esp. if no assassins on enemy side), velkoz, pantheon.
Even Cho gath is OK too. Or teemo. Even without lead they can do split push job (what usually top do, but not so often in low elo) , being OK 1vs1 poking or killing, if not far behind.
What is good about all these characters, they at least have possibility either to 1vs1 without exp gold lead, or/and burst to kill some important squishy fast.
Xerath can 1vs5 if enemies have no fast Champs (usually assassins), and if he gets some advantage on lane in beginning. Like some kills even if your adc died.
@@alexanderzet5028 I do play them, but even then, I'm not able to climb out of Gold. I remember goin like 7/0 on Xerath support a month or so ago and still lost. As for split pushing as support, I tend to have the most success doing that as Ziggs. But poke support can't 1v5 when entire team forces a team fight or gets picked off while overextending instead of playing slow and letting me whittle them down. Splitpushing requires team to be able to hold out long enough for me to actually get turrets instead of dying before wave even gets there.
I'm master support main on EUW and when I smurf I have higher winrates playing mid till high platinum.
It's literally impossible playing support trying macro plays or good roams in low elo.
I hate when you give all resources to your allies but they can't capitalize them.
Good call. I'll consider playing mid.
That's why I don't play support, unless if I get a good team
Mam I like support. But I need to switch to another role too. I had literally 4-5 games on a row where my jgler went with a bad negative kda. I pinged so enemy, vision, etc... Nothing helps, almost like I play with bots 😅
I have the feeling in low elo pings from support aren't as "good" as from another role
Yeah, actually if you are playing a role that it's dependant of your team like ADC or Support it's better to olay another line
trying to do any macro plays at all in low elo is insanly hard even the most simple things like split pushing works only 50% of the time in plat elo
the thing that i noticed is that i usually get massive advantages in lane through better wave management, better trading and spacing, BUT, I'm absolutely lost when clownfiestas happen, which are pretty much half of games in low elo. I'm pretty sure that i can't even carry a clownfiesta in bronze lmao.
It can be very situational on whether I can carry it or not. Once 2+ teammates are just being constantly toxic and deciding to throw one way or another just because they both have giant egos even though they know nothing, it’s typically just lost, no recovery option. And that’s one of the most common irritating situations. I wish your LP had a little more to do with personal performance and not just “oh, your team lost, and this is your fourth loss in a row, so -20 LP; you’re garbage.”
The only way to carry in those situations is to split push. Get 3-4 level lead and gold advantage. Kill their jungler and hope you get baron. End game.
in low silver it doesnt matter what you do, youre gonna to make every smooth brain on your team implode when you make the smart play while they int. the amount of times ive taken the 3 mid towers and now baron is 100% free but the team run it down mid even after being told multiple times theres nothing there is insane
It's nearly every game, man. Doesn't matter if you type or ping what to do. Monkey time ARAM when there's 0 towers there and side lanes to push or drake / baron is up. They're still gonna group mid and die for no reason.
Yeah bro, low elo is clean up elo. They will never listen cuz they just wanna team fight 24/7. But just trail behind them and clean up. Even if u pick off 1 person is good enough. U did the best possible outcome.
This one wrecks my brain - even when you point it out they don’t understand the logic, I really need to just take skill capped videos onboard and release it’s futile to try…
@@martinzuniga6605 for me i just push towers extra hard now, force the enemy team to think what to do
@@IrishPharaoh2008 because these people play with a desperate mentality and that blinds them. its funny because when you have people like that on your team and you all can see the win, they start playing STUPID AF, and ive seen this on enemy teams too. i honestly think winning is like a drug to some people they get completely blinded at that chance for a high.
Aint nobody winning if the top laner goes 1/11 and feeds enemy tank; this happens routinely in bronze or iron
Credit where credit is due. This is a good video. Especially for adc players in low elo.
Now you just need to follow it up with a video telling people to stop flaming a split pushing adc when they want to aram a fight where the enemy team is ahead in gold by a lot.
I feel your pain.
As an Shen main, there is nothing worse than trying to pressure either top or bottom while your team arams on the jungle for no reason(no dragon, no jungle monsters), save them with you R and having a stale mate because NO MATTER how much i ping them before i teleport, the guy i teleport in backs away instead of keeping a relative safe distance where i can E the champions.
Nah thats too much common sense for low elo. Especially the part where you tell them to stall/not die but gets caught out in the enemy jg with no vision
he called plat low elo. good video? this is just an ego jerk. ignore.
How is this a good video? Lying to people that it's not their fault for being stuck in whatever rank they are stuck just because their team sucks? I'm sorry, but anyone who agrees with this video is a complete delusional, period.
@@spinner_5046 its if ur stuck in ur elo. If you believe every game you have bad teammates and cannot leave your rank then you are definitely the problem.
"Remember, this is plat, so, low elo." 80%+ of players who wish they could hit plat one day "-_-"
😂😂
Make it 90%
Seriously, who are these dudes making content for?
@@SDFGH87896 This Video is for higher elo. It makes no Sense for low elo players to watch a video wich is about why smurfs dont win in their elo
@@sneek9563 this isn't about smurfs. This video is about people who are doing well but not climbing as fast as some of their positions should suggest.
The reason why they call plat 'low elo' here is because plat games play out very similar to bronze-silver games. Even low diamond games play out very similarly. So it's been divided into 'games that look more like bronze vs games that look more like challenger'. I think it's a bad terminology, but it is what it is.
Being hard stuck in low elo ( can't say which rank😅) I've come to the conclusion, don't count on anyone, u are the win condition, If u mess up, game is lost 98% of the time
100% agree. I go in with 1v9 mentality. If I lose regardless if I have an afk or someone inting there usually are gaps the opponents leave to let you win and if I lose I don't hang my head. I learn from the mistakes and go next.
i've been in silver-gold for 4 years and what made ME come out (flawlessly, actually) is to change my mentality about the game enirely. man, i wasn't even playing for fun and ironically once i started to play for fun, i started to win more. i also started to start the game with /mute all (only rankeds lol) and i started to care A LOT less about my KDA. i was ~16/4 every game but what does that REALLY say about me? it can mean that i just didn't want to win hard enough, my KDA was more important so i could say "look at my stats, obviously i have bad teammates". it's obviously not always true, but it probably is true more often than not. why do we care "who is the worst" so much, it's disgusting and pointless. it's the topic of conversation in every game in every elo...
@@thatguy5233 I'll try that, I actually demoted from s3 to b3 in one month and I have no idea what happened😹😹😹 jungle is hard in low elo
@Thec The the feeling 😹😹😹
Teammates are just bigger minions worth 300g.
The way the ranked system resets (and puts everyone back like 2-3 ranks) adds to that too. When everyone ends the season higher up and then has to climb out of bronze again in provisionals, everyone has different expectations of their teammates and throwing is basically guaranteed. And then you miss every skillshot because the bronze opponent moves like a crazy person (literally can't tell if they're smurfing or iron--or probably I'm just bad). Every tier is like it's own circle of hell 😅
Climbing out of Bronze is very easy though, shouldn't take that many games
I keep making it into gold and yet the game sets me back in bronze ((: and I have to climb out every season. It’s annoying. I can do it but it’s annoying as hell
Dante Alighieri played League and Inferno is about soloq
@@wwhjams i climbed to gold 2 in s10 with around 35 games (i don't play much), then I skipped a full season and now at my first placement (that i lost) I got into bronze 2. Can i climb out of it? yeah ofc, I climbed out of it so fast on a second account that i got put in smurfQ. But is it annoying? YES FFS, I already proven to the game that i can climb over bronze, why should i ever be put back there again? I understand if the climb was very dynamic with fast climbing and deranking (like hearthstone or other card games) but here in league we're talking about 25/30 minutes each game, so needing to play 30 games (more or less because they depend a little on your luck) just to get to where i was before is fucking annoying as hell
@@Spar7anProjec7 yup, exactly. I’ve proven multiple seasons in a row I can get out of it-and stay out of it-yet it decides I “belong” in bronze every new season’s beginning, and I have to start all over again.
I always have to remind myself in low elo that I can't trust my team to do anything correctly till they show me they can. Till then play it safe.
What if they cant
@@fernanchistera3394 farm up and try to gain as much advantage as you can and play off dumb plays
All resume to: "Do not trust your team mates" 😂
this is explained so well, respect. and its also the reason why its so hard to keep climbing once a player manages to hit d4/d3. because at that point one is so focused on only playing into situations that do not require any competence by teamates. in other words many players who finaly beat their way out of plat like myself where kind of destroyed by the low elo experience in the progress. and flipping the swich to all of a sudden to mostly play whit the team instead of playing the game for them is one hell of a challenge when you have no experience playing whit decent teams.
“But we’re in platinum, aka low elo”
Me who thinks gold is really high: “bruh wtf”
Biggest issue is when my team has a lead,or we win lanes we dont take towers and push..its hard to communicate tell them to group and capitalize..most of them chase kills in jungle,and give enemy chance to farm up or pick up some kills,then ee lose..
I actually emailed riot about this type of situation, and they basically told me that I just have to be bear bad teammates and that my current elo is just "unlucky". Once I asked about climbing out they just avoided the question entirely
thanks rito
@@rleften5788Nah fuck you. Its a goddamn team game. You shouldn't ONLY climb because of your own individual skill, but a combo of your skill + everyone else on your team's. Having the "carry" mentality is such bullshit because it invalidates everyone else on your team. Its a team game. If you get a shitty team and you do everything in your power to win, and you lose - your team lost you the game.
in the twitch case the team could have also tanked the turret and rushed it instead of just recalling late
the problem is that most low elo players cant judge the dependence of circumstances making a play a situational good/bad play
I went on a 5 game losing streak followed by a 9 game win streak just now. Nothing about my play changed. It was entirely team comp/competency of teammates. If you’re a platinum level player, you’re hard stuck in gold at the whim of match making. You have to be 2-3 divisions better than where you are to stand a chance at climbing. I saw a guy in S3 clearly trying to boost an account. His record on the season was 50-8 and he was S3. The rank system is broken and designed to keep people below their skill level in order to get them to grind more. Since it’s a free game, the more you play, the more likely you buy cosmetics
for the 2nd example, while i agree that in low elo going for teemo is the correct play, was it not a bigger mistake for twitch to recall after baron in the first place? while getting GA on twitch is extremely valuable, considering that no one else on twitch's team recalls, it would be more advantageous to not give up any sort of map pressure, especiallly considering that elder buff has a short lifetime (they took elder then baron, so its even less time). had twitch stayed mid with his team, he wouldnt even have needed his GA since he could be helping his team fight a 4v5 with baron and elder and swept the fight anyways.
Yeah twitch should have kept up the tempo. High elo even to to save 5-10 seconds to keep the tempo going. Twitch not being at that teamfight lost him the game
In the example with the teemo base race, how do you know the teemo wont flash towards twitch, use the blind, then kill him?
Long story short MMR is an awful system and they need to fix the ranking system. I should not be getting 8 LP for winning and losing 30 lp for losing because 4 games in a row someone on my team died once and left the game.
if you're getting these kinds of numbers, be honest, you probably went on a 40 game tilt lose streak and didn't demote because you were in xIV 0 lp
8:33 "We're aware that this is a situation that you're unlikely to ever be in." This is like every third game in bronze, and why WWTD is so effective for climbing out.
Wtf is WWTD man, this stuff happens to me constantly but I can’t deal with them as an adc usually or team will die without me there to carry their brain dead asses
@@donblaaWWTD (What Would Tryndamere Do) is another video that SC put out about how do deal with the shitshow that is low elo League. The idea is that the most consistent way to climb out of the lower brackets is to play our champion (any champion) as if we were playing Tryndamere and make our decisions accordingly.
9:25 are we going to ignore the pefectly aimed ult by ashe to delay LB getting to the fight?
Clearly that was the case
He missed VS belweth
I had a game in low silver where my team took the inhib tower and decided to back off. I pinged my tanky jg to take the inhib while I shadowed him since a 20 min inhib creates pressure. After that we took the second herald, and I stole it from my top laner since I knew if we dropped it where the inhib is down we would win. My top laner started to tilt, while the rest of my team joined the herald push mid and won the game. I kept asking my top laner if he was sure that he thought of the right play as we took the rest of their base and aced them. He just couldn't admit he was wrong even after the game was won in 3 mins after the herald take....
I'm pretty sure I was adc but I mightve been mid lol
The number of afks or trolling in bronze is crazy. I have over 200 wins this season. 30% of those match legit have a guy going 1-15 or just afks
Its alot easier to throw a game then it is to win. In low elo i feel half the battle is fighting the urge to throw the game.
I think many low elos main goal is just scoring kills, so they fight a never ending battle.
I hate how you talk about "low elo" and then show plat games..... Thats WAAAAY higher than actual "low elo" (iron - silver) and completely misses the point, a lot of the playerbase doesn't get anything out of this
Even diamond its considered low elo
@@Sazoel_ oh, so the top 4% of the player base are "low elo"? ✨a world of make believe✨
Low elo is sikver and below
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100% agree. I cant tell you how many times ive died level 1 proxying on singed because the mid/support/jungle/top just abandon their wave/camp to come kill me after i take the first wave. Its so mind boggling.
if they can just kill you then that was the correct play for them LMAO
So I was stuck in platinum for a long time. After I improved my gameplay based on common mistakes seen in this video , I managed to climb diamond 2 . Enter wintraders/trollers. Literally people running it down after one slight inconvenience or 2 friends in opposing teams feeding each other off. I'm now going back and forth d3-2 .
I can't even get out of Silver. I was in promos to get into Gold, and then my next 10. Yes. 10 games. Someone left. Someone flamed, died one time, left match. The next 10 games, bot and top fed 4 or 5 kills before 10 minutes. By the time I can roam, the enemy team is already too fed for me to do anything. I main Mid. Always counter pick, and pick based on team synergy and carry potential. But am constantly losing games, BECAUSE everyone else on my team is absolute garbage. You cant tell me I belong in silver when i nearly always win lane, never chase, ward, rotate, focus objectives, and try my hardest to ping and tell my team, dont chase, ward, dont blind check bushes. But they CONSTANTLY DO. And just FEED the enemy kills. Every game. This is my life. And im on like a 20 game losing streak down into S3, and it jsut keeps getting worse. I win lane, but cant transition that anywhere else, because every other lane is feeding SO MUCH me being ahead cant change anything, because the enemy is ahead of me. I hate this game.
@@djbreal87 sorry you had to deal with this. I feel like the game tries so desperately hard to keep people's winrate at 50% to inflate playtime and therefore profit. It shouldn't take hundreds and hundreds of games just to get from silver to gold yet it does for a lot of people. IMO if you play like a gold player you should be able to get out of silver, but it honestly seems like you need to be playing at a level at least 2 tiers higher than your current one to be able to compensate for all the griefing and mistakes.
@@custardpup6385 Lost a few more games. at 0LP in Silver 3, despite my last two losses going 15/4 with Veigar and 10/2 on Viktor. I can't carry, despite winning lane, if the rest of the lanes are feeding :( I just need to transition to top or ADC and learn some crazy hyper carry. This is getting ridiculous.
@@djbreal87 as a support main I really feel your struggle with finding it hard to carry when everyone is making mistakes and inting. The only thing that keeps me sane in these kind of lost matches is setting my own mini goals to accomplish that game. Like a certain ward score or to try to roam more etc. I try to focus on little things I can individually do to improve because if the ship is going down I may as well at least get something out of it. Hope you have better luck in the future.
@@custardpup6385 Im really trying. Thanks for the words of support. I'll keep plugging away.
I think this is a course from their site and it helped my out a ton. I always tried to play as I saw it on the best players from all regions, but this actually made my rank even worse.
They actually say this, but you cannot state this enough - You MUST adapt to the weird things happening before Dia2 because this is not decent League. More often then not either the enemy does some weird shit which catches you off guard or your own team does the same thing. After I admited, that my current Elo does not even remotely fits the playstyle I was going for, it went much more smoothly.
I for sure would've done the same thing as that twitch, I have to much confidence in my own team when we're doing well
Hands down the most directly impactful, if digested, video yall have ever released!
There's a reason people make thousands of alts. As soon your account gets 300+ games, it's literally doomed to stay in the same elo, and if you want to get out you need to net win 40-50 games. And even then, you get 13-14 LP while losing 15-16 LP, even if you're on a 40 games win streak. Source: I boost accounts with a shit ton of games
I peaked platinum 1(not high elo I know) and I couldn't carry in normal draft games. I used to get very mad, because I was trying hard but everyone else seemed so braindead I couldn't do anything.
Now this video has opened my eyes. Screw the team, play safe and play selfish.
I say it every time too. I play for myself I do extremely well. Then I'll start slipping and try to rotate to my jungler dying to 2 people and it always ends with me dead, losing 2 waves, and now im behind mid for the next 12 minutes...
Are we not gonna talk about the Yuumi's summoner name is Ass Commander?
Moral of the lesson : accept that your teammates are bad and turn that weakness into strength.
The problem with League of Legends is, it IS not fun to HAVE to hard carry and play AS HARD as possible EVERY single game. League of Legends as a competitive game doesn't work it's fundamentally flawed by this. I should NOT have to put my team on my back essentially giving THEM a free win, JUST so I can climb the ladder. I SHOULD be able to sit back play good enough and come together in a 5v5 setting as a TEAM. Yes, there's games where somebody else carries or your team DOES work together BUT, this is far and few in between the norm of UNLESS YOU carry, you will float around the same rank until you do decide to play so hard it becomes redundant and unfun. People will say "You are stuck because you aren't good enough!" When what they really mean is, YOU aren't putting your entire team on your back in what is supposed to be a 5v5 game NOT a 1v5 game.
Preach brother🎉🎉🎉🎉
@6:00 Two great lessons here that haven't been touched on:
#1 Prioritize farm over fishing expeditions (especially on scaling champs like most ADCs), yes, a pick in this map state is really good for Jinx's team, but her presence is neither required nor especially desirable given potential risks to make it happen. The farm mid is safe money and xp, which contributes to your excellent scaling (scaling is how well xp and gold increase your power level). In lower elos, don't assume your teammates will make the right choices, they frequently won't, be happy when they don't make terrible decisions that throw away your team's advantage(s) or compound the enemy's advantages.
#2: Pushing lanes also makes it easier to advance the game towards victory. This is for a variety of reasons. The most important of which is having waves close to enemy towers makes it very easy to destroy them off of any won fight (even a minor victory will give enough time as the enemy regroups/backs to heal etc. for you to rush to a lane w/ minions near the enemy's tower and take said tower before then can regroup to defend it). Conversely, they have a long ways to push the lanes in order to start destroying any towers. The real insight here is that having waves pushed towards the enemies tower(s) makes the potential payoffs of a fight far more favorable for your team. This alters the risk v. reward calculus by increasing the rewards and lowering the risks of fighting the enemy. Experienced players usually have a pretty good sense of the likelihoods of winning/losing a fight, but they often ignore how weighted the payoffs of that fight might be. Proper risk v. reward assessment means computing the 'expectation' of the proposed course of action. This is the sum of the ((probability of outcome) times (payoff of this outcome) summed over possible outcomes. So if you can makes the rewards biased in your team's favor it can actually be worth taking a pretty major risk in terms of likelihood of success because you risk very little but potentially gain a *lot*. Conversely, when fighting in a situation where the rewards are limited and what is being risked is significant, extreme caution should be exercised and only the most sure of plays attempted.
you caught me off guard with the hippo one 🤣😭
did not expect to see a Wirtual clip in this guide! cool
Skill Capped: You are losing because you are always choosing the wrong options, which makes you unable to carry your team.
Also Skill Capped: Your team is trash and won't understand when are you choosing the right plays. Just choose the wrong option to adapt to morons.
:D trash skills xD
I've learned a lot from Skill Capped, but one of the things that I've learned recently is that their advice is contextual. You have to understand the game state. The first statement you make is true. Often, people in low elo make bad mistakes and don't put themselves in a position to carry the game. But the second statement can also be true, where you put yourself in a position to carry the game, but you make the wrong call because you assume that your team is going to make the correct play.
You need to incorporate all of the information skill capped is giving you into a more complete understanding of the game.
Im actually kinda scared on the impact the message this video has and how it will affect putting everyone in the mentality of "my teammates always hold me down" :/
Especially when the video was so wrong. "Twitch should've killed Teemo after recalling from Baron instead of 5v4'ing them in their base with soul + elder + baron" LMFAO yeah what a CHALLENGER player that Twitch is.
And that sick Caitlyn who expected her Jungler to hold 1v2 against Quinn+Yuumi incoming from Botlane all the while lacks the map awareness to see Ornn had to recall. Yep, totally ORNN'S fault for tunnelvisioning.
"For now you're just stuck playing zoo keeper and you'll just have to accept that" - accuracy 100%
just had a renekton jungle that took tp and barrier
how do i play that one out?
I have been watching these guides for about a month or two now and I have gotten significantly better but I just wanted to take the time to acknowledge how crucial map awareness is I mean I’m in low elo and watching my teammates get ganked after not only I pinged by the whole river is warded and they still just didn’t notice is incredible like I was that player once but god is it frustrating cuz for example I was pyke as a sup with an ash adc and we were gettin stomped she was 1/6 I was 3/4/2 at 15 minutes but the whole time I was tryna to tell her to play passive cuz nocturne clearly likes to get kills rather then farm his jgl and this bitch just refused to listen so she died to the same type of gank 3-4 times now sometimes I was lucky enough to get away but others I just had to take the L but after she was like 1/3 or 1/4 I again told her to play passive but she wouldn’t listen so I would grab cannon minion or whatever minion I could with my support item and then start playing on my side of the map close to my turret while she was pushed in to the enemy turret standing there autoing minions instead of last hitting like I said she should do and then surprise surprise nocturne came down with the enemy kai sa and nautilus and my ash died once again like what do I do in that situation I tried to give tips while we were playing and everything but she wouldn’t listen and the funniest part is that there is literally no excuse for her to die cuz u literally warded the whole bot side river when I went to try and get a kill with my mid laner so the info was there it’s just ash doesn’t know what a map is but usually my adc isn’t that bad but every once in awhile there’s a player like this ash that just is clueless
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I feel like its true, for about 3 years i was stuck in low plat as sup only and every season most of my time was trying to get out of gold.
In the current season im plat 2, and i think i may get to diamond, and i dont feel like i really improved that much, im simply playing less aggressive and with champions that dont rely that much on my teammates commitment (its really common to low elo adcs to just let you die 1v2 in lane while they afk farm, so playing champions as zilean, morgana, trundle, tk, makes myself feel free to play even with bad adc since (1) im not dependant on them to survive like lulu or yuumi and (2) i dont need to engage so if i need i can just suck the xp out of the lane rather than trying to fight/trade damage 1v2).
Very nice guide when does the "how can i deal with the 22/2/0 adc" part
1- Don't vision-tunnel into plays following blindly your team , choose the option that gives you more options to be safe if things go wrong (as most of the times will go wrong as is low-elo and people don't know how to play)
2- Don't go all-mid to end a game if an enemy is pushing a tower, better defend that tower because in most cases your teammates will die there and the enemy will take all your towers
3- Don't force baron just because an ally died in the opposite lane pushing, bait it instead
4- Pressure a lane only if other are being pressure too, if your teammates stop pressuring, just leave too
One of the hardest lessons for me to learn was that no matter how important sidelane pressure and catching sidewaves is, you'll always lose in low ELO if you don't hover your team 24/7 (and mid will never move their ass to a sidelane in midgame)
True, true, super true. A master friend of mine who was coaching me said that, even if i was playing the sidelane pretty well, i was inting. When I asked him "why? I'm just controlling the wave like you do on your replays, I don't understand" and he simply said "until diamond NO ONE knows how to play with a teammate in the sidelane, so playing the side means that your teammates are going to die for the dumbest reasons and you're not there to change the outcome of the fight", literally mind blown. I'm still dogshit at playing clownfiestas don't get me wrong, but honestly i won a lot of games that i would have lost just because of that answer alone.
@@Spar7anProjec7 exactly lol. I noticed especially when I'm super fed that literally the only right play is to constantly be around teammates. They will fight NO MATTER WHAT so you better bring your item lead over there
Does this mean I should drop Fiora until I’m in ranked? 😅
@@philbertius Nah, there are deffo games in which you can just splitpush until you hit enemy nexus with strong sidelaners like Fiora. Most of the time I just pray I kill their nexus faster than they kill my inting teammates when I do that tbh
Plat being low elo ☠️
Very enlightening! Thank you!
I play toplane, there is a ratio to show what happens if I lose a game: 1 (I get stomped) to 1 (I fall off late game and loose impact) to 1 (our sup is a bot) to 3 (botlane feeds, ints or rage quits). It's very frustrating.
Wait people trust their teammates to be good? I'm a diamond adc and I still don't trust my teammates 😂
Standard Top Laner situation: Can't see a single enemy on the map and doesn't have one ward out, pushed all the way up to their tier 2 tower, dies to a 5 man gank, yells at the team for not doing anything while they pushed.
Well, he's not wrong. If you pull the whole enemy team to you and your team does NOTHING to capitalize on it they are bad
@@matsberg1568 i fully agree, i Always tilt when i am able to manage an enemy jungler that camps me in toplane with wasting his time and my jungle Just farms and does nothing to impact the map on other lanes and taking objectives
This is so true specially on the baron throw part.
As a top laner (sion) who's pressuring t3 tower. I make shotcall on my team to start baron and I'll tp when someone defends
What happens is that they don't listen and after I die from a 4 man collapse they thought its a good idea to do baron while the adc is farming krugs. Which made me just more tilted
Maybe I should've not relied too much on my team and taken a different approach by just preparing the bot wave to shove to their tower and joining my team. Which I can have more options to choose from (being able to help my team clear the objective when enemy pressure is low or make my own tp play to bot lane to secure bot inhib and maybe nexus towers)
i absolutly love your comparison: chess - "King's Indian Attack" but turns out you play "hungry hungry Hippo" :D :D :D
I am happy to finally see more videos like this. There are tons of delusional people that have nothing better to say than just 'win more games'. The truth is if you are a support you are doomed if your team just wanders pointlessly around without taking objectives. Then you see some Masters and Grandmasters trying to prove it's all low elo player's fault and then they only win 5/10 placements on new account. This game is in a desperate need of a new and fair system.
Wow, I needed this! I've been using Gold+ strats in Bronze and making really good support plays with no follow up. So I have about a 50% WR and awful MMR. I lose 17 LP and gain 10 LP on wins. So basically play worse to win low elo is seeming really weird, but probably effective. Make fewer plays, don't expect rotations, etc.
Currently on an abysmal 10 game jungle loss streak where every game i have good kda and team wants to ff at 15 and actually starts inting/farming my camps and refuses to do anything apart from fighting dragon 3v5 against fed enemy team
Seems the only reason the Nashor with split pressure didn't work is because they started not with his pressure but only after he was engaged by enemies and about to die. I fail to believe this wouldn't have been a clean Baron 10 or even 5 seconds earlier. Not arguing with the general concept just won't give up my agency as a top laner I have with split pushing. Also, after I shout at my team once or twice for not using my pressure it usually starts working and we end up winning the game when they do get that Baron or Elder.
you guys got it all wrong. low elo players dont win and blame everyone else for their mistakes because they'd rather argue with their team than just play and gain elo/ gain more knowledge about the game
In my experience, for example, in low elo your herald NEEDS to destroy at least 2 towers, the opponents often don't punish you for that, don't give up the herald bro
The problem is every time there is a feeder, griefer, or Manchild on the upset about someone else poor decision making or play. This leads to losing probably more often than not. The tilt is real regardless if you are winning, one person still can throw the lead and you lose if they get upset at a team mate.
Love this vids, keep going !
problem is league has too many catch up mechanisms and even if you stomp your lane a simple shutdown gold can easily let the enemy team take over
solution is simple, get rid of all catch up in ranked (jungle catch up xp, objective catch up, shutdown gold) keep them in normal (so people who are casual are not screwed)
I really don't like playing perfect laning and getting weaker every single second just because my teammates are apes
The game isn't just about your lane.
Horrible mentality. This just means that you have to actually keep playing well, you can't just play well in lane and then turn your brain off. You are punished severely for being bad at the macro game in the mid- to lategame by offering huge shutdowns, so playing safe and anticipating dangerous situations become more important.
I much prefer it this way.
@@theWebWizrd the current game is a roulette where unless you are master+ skilled you can't force games to end early and the enemy team always catches up when you have shitty teammates, they don't even need to feed, just not being aggressive enough when you have the lead and letting enemy team farm is as just as bad
if the catch up is removed, games will end earlier because the winning side will just stomp, why is this even bad? it literally pushes you to improve your early game and is much more fair, with the current system every low elo game takes 30+ mins where most players have 3-4 items and then the game is more or less a coin flip. This is just a psychological trick that riot swings at you so that you keep winning some and losing some, therefore keep on playing. Just use your head and recognize the mental trap.
The catch ups mechanics are a joke, you'll still snowball out of control regardless of how many catch up mechanics they can have.
Great example with the hungry hippos😂
That is definitely not the problem. I have reached diamond many times and with many accounts, sometimes with up to 30 consecutive games won. Most games are lost in the first 10 minutes and there is no way to win. Sometimes I have chained multiple games with a 0/40 team. In these cases, the only way to rank up the account is to duo with another diamond. In the case of someone who is really silver, earning 10lp, how is he supposed to rank up? Because it also doesn't improve when playing with mediocre players every game. My advice is to have multiple accounts, to try to get progress without getting stuck in an elo. Example: I've had a good run with this account, so I'm still with this account.
7:30 I remember when once my team was preparing for an endgame teamfight. The previous fights had ended with both teams having 1 or 2 weakened members alive. There was a HUMONGOUS enemy wave top. I TOLD my team gathering mid that I would quickly clear that. I did that anticipating a potential scenario where two enemies end up alive after the fight and would then push two lanes thanks to this huge wave. In that small interval it took me to go top and clear the wave, the losers fought mid 4x5 and got decimated. Bear in mind that thanks to ME, we still had all out mid turrets. They could have easily stayed back for 10 seconds and lost the first mid turret instead of engaging/getting engaged. Then, of course, they blamed me for the loss.
Yeah dude - it's actually impossible to climb through bronze/silver/gold. I won 2 games with decent teammates (i.e. just 1 feeder), and then lost 6 in a row when I got 2-4 players feeding all game SIX MATCHES IN A ROW. Then when you get angry about it, riot bans you. They gaslight you into thinking you're a bad person if you get annoyed at people going 2/13 in a ranked silver match. It's honestly disgusting. I'm a support main with a 51% winrate overall in all my support champion pool, and literally lose ELO over and over. I can win two matches in a row and gain ~50LP, and then lose 2 games from feeders right after and lose ~60 LP. The ranked system is BROKEN and your individual skill doesn't matter because it is nearly impossible to 1v5 when your teammates literally aren't capable of clearing a wave without dying 10 times. It's fucking disgusting. Fuck this broken game.
At 8:40 I had that situation. I did the 'correct' play to save our base. My team took a bad fight and flamed me to high heaven and tilted off the face of the planet and 2 afked. LMAO
Thats why late game you dont have control on the outcome
They will also flame you for not defending despite telling you to join up as well. :d It's lose-lose nowadays because yes, people will go afk regardless and somehow not get banned.
7:30 now i understand why people dont want to end games in my games, they saw this vod lmao, the problem comes when u go and defend and ur team still go to fight and lose lol.
lmfao that jinx sitting in meele range and not only that he kited himself into meele range instead of back funniest shit ever
I hate that in low ELO Everyone wanna fight while we still have lanes to push
So if i get it right. There is no reason to flame teammates that they are bad if we dont choose wisely what am i gonna try to do.
My ego holds me back. Its too fragile. I can win mid 70% of time and when i lose its a major hit to my ego and i stop playing. Or sesrch for another role/champ
I think a big reason low-elo players commit to teamplays is because it's often seen as griefing if you don't do it.
I am in a situation like this because of my mmr. I noticed I get wins if I play mid and make good roams but there are cases where jungle is giga braindead and enemy tries his hardest to lane hold and beg for ganks. This is really cringe and top is not much better because too much happens mid bot in a span of 10 minutes...
this is probably completely unrelated to this video but i thought i'd ask and see if anyone could help, i play kayle (i'm silver 4 if that helps any) and my last like 5 or so games have just been brute force ended in about 20-25ish minutes before i can even get my 16 because basically every lane that wasnt my lane (top) fell behind (mind you, i'm not ever really ahead myself i just manage to not die and get my 8cspm. is there anything at all i can do as kayle without 16 to win these games?
2nd scenario is by FAR the most common thing I see. People don’t know how or when to end or defend
This alone is also the reason why i started to play more adc and support. Bot lane tends to suffer alot early on.
I main jungle, but them i hate when we get a dogwater jungle and we end up losing
Half the time I don't even play ranked because low ELO players are so lost that it can be infuriating when they mess up the simplest of plays that any competent player would do in their sleep. It makes me feel just as lost since playing "correctly" can be a bad thing like this video explains.
its hard to win when you have to 4v5 on team fight cuz a Yorick is dying inside to get that top turrent
I noticed this kind of split on my own adventures on the EUNE and RU server. On EUW there is a very nice gradient of skill across ranks but on EUNE and escpecially RU there seems to be gap in skill and overall game that just makes it more fun to play on my sub lvl30 account on RU rather than ranking up on EUW.
"For now you are stuck playing zoo keeper, and you need to accept that", damn
it's exactly what happens in my games. Afterwards i get completely burned out and quit the game, until some time i relapse and end up in the same shoes.
most of the time I'm Bronze
that caitlyn situation hits close to home. but i have to do that play. because my god damn team are alregic to towers.
honestly i was super hard stuck in the lower ranks as a sup main but once i hit diamond i was gaining +38 per win and getting lobbies with masters solo queue... its just a diff game
If that jinx would’ve kited up towards belveth, she probably kills all of them there
Never expected to see Wirtual on this channel
I would argue with a bit more nuance into the difference between low and high elo. High elo comes with tremendous macro and micro understanding; you can rely on teammates to make the right choice. In low elo, you cannot guarantee, and thus shouldn't assume your teammates will make smart choices. The difference here is that in the cases when you see "proper" behavior from teammates in low elo, you need to be able to recognize that behavior, and capitalize on it. From a macro standpoint (in low elo), you should make the safe play, but be prepared to IMMEDIATELY make the right play if you see the conditions on the map. Discretion and nuance go a long way in crushing your opponents, especially in lower elo. A correctly played map is beautifully suffocating, and you should not pass up the opportunities to practice that level of domination.
That being said, great video. You bring up the crucial point that rules, strategy, and norms are only as useful as they are commonly understood. Make the play that pushes the advantage, and that won't always be the textbook play.
To sum it up : at low elo, don't ignore the power of splitpush
The biggest problem I find is greedyness in low elo.