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- Temporal Pincer Movement of Sator to retrieve the last section of algorithm from the Protagonist by using Kat as hostage.
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Movie TENET
Directed by Christopher Nolan
Produced by Emma Thomas
Christopher Nolan
Written by Christopher Nolan
Starring John David Washington
Robert Pattinson
Elizabeth Debicki
Dimple Kapadia
Michael Caine
Kenneth Branagh
Music by Ludwig Göransson
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The key to all of this is at 4:30. It’s when the inverted sator communicates the piece of the algorithm will be in the SABB at the Freeport (in the future on the red time line). This is how sator captured the piece of the algorithm (traved back in time and communicated where it would be in the future). Watching the movie, sators audio is backwards at the beginning of the chase. They never tell you what he says in the movie because it would spoil the scene that was about to play out. I had my suspicions about that backwards audio and now it’s confirmed. Thanks.
You're welcome.
@Sabinka47 Hey man or woman, I understand not wanting to watch a movie. (your discussion with the FBI) but I don't think you can say that this movie is moronic without actually watching the movie.
@Sabinka47 no. It all happens in a ‘consistent’ way, that what’s Evers happened, happened. The entire fight of tp with himself has all of that.
@Sabinka47 there is total cause and effect. Star Trek calls it predestination paradox. Movie buffs call it “terminator” style time reveal. With your talk of parallel universes you are doing “back to the future” type time travel. - and the terminator type is the only real type.
can you make a similar kate's perspective 🙏
While there was pure chaos on the road, Sator's men simply walked to the Saab parked in front of the freeport building and took the piece. The beauty of this scene is exceptional !
Still, you have to be a genious to plan all of the movements so the enemy thinks they are moving the briefcase from the freeport, and not to the freeport.
@@eduardogomez2232I don’t get this comment 😢
@@skynet7065 The good guys tought the bad guys were moving the algorythm out of the freeport.
But it was the opposite, they were moving the algorythm FROM somewhere TO the freeport. The algorythm actually ended in the truck, and then in the freeport.
The reason people don't like this movie is because it is incredibly complicated. I love it even though I still don't get every scene where normal and reverse entropy are interacting.
And it doesnt do a good job of explaining itself, it's a pain to watch. Every dialogue is barely there bc of loud music. I love the concept and it's fun to piece it together but it should've been made better. I don't recommend it to anyone i like lol.
It would've been a great serie
its not the fact its complicated. Its the fact none of it makes any rational sense even if you understand it. Stupid premise overall
@@EPICRAGE1000 almost everything in the film makes sense.
@@sandeepdas3526 LMFAO
The thing that most people are missing about this is the idea of multiverse theory is at play here. They try to throw a misdirect by making it sound like things are scripted by fate to always happen. Yet, we see sator on multiple occasions going back and redoing the reversed actions different.
First time, he goes and checks the BMW. We'll call that universe A.
Second time. He goes and checks the firetruck. There's only one reversed Sator we see. What happens to the one who just checked the BMW then returns to base?
He's in a different universe
This videos and explanations will never stop.
That's because most of these morons who think they know everything, have everything backwards. Which is funny considering the theme of the movie. The premise of the movie isn't all that hard. What makes it hard is the fact that it's a movie. The science isn't 100% accurate. There are thought up aspects to it. In reality if one were able to reverse entropy, the charge and parity would also reverse, making it full-blown antimatter.
they're going to start
This clears things up from sators perspective, he monitors the red room, threatens TP, Ives men arrive, he goes into turnstile, shoot kat, goes into vehicle and go back to chase the cubes and realise the cube is in the Saab, takes it and kills TP. You need to make a kats perspective
Sure.
He didn’t take it from the sabb. He told his guys it would be in the sabb at the free port.
And from Kat's perspective, inverted Sator picks her up from the freeport just after forward Sator beat her up. After the car chase, inverted Sator brings her back to the freeport and shoot her.
From inverted Sator's perspective, Kat started off in the blue room unconscious. After he goes back out onto the highway, he has to drop her off back at the freeport so everything is set in motion.
Actually the flipped Saab no longer has the algorithm, the algorithm flew back into the BMW. But Sator knows it started off in the Saab at the freeport, so after everything goes down he picks it up.
@@davidkippy101 Hey can you tell me when TP tells the location of algorithm to sator in blue room then how come sator from red room arrives? Please can you clear this confusion
The only movie when people actually have to travel to go back in time
i highly recommend the movie Primer!
@@408sophonAh, this is true. However, Primer's travelli is less dramatic because you basically do it in a box. Here you can move about.
I wish Nolan himself would explain it. That little bit of explanation he gave in that one interview blew my mind.
Which interview?
This cleared up so much for me; it's fascinating to follow here, especially with the previously reversed radio dialogue now the other way around. Thanks for the video.
This is awesome! I think at 04:32, Sator says “I’ll make sure that he is dead” because that’s what he does, rather than instructing someone else to do it. Even though he didn’t actually make sure of his death in the end haha.
Yeah either he didn't remember that the whole Saab was inverted, or he did but assumed that the Protagonist would die of frostbite.
@@theprogram863 Neil even mentioned TP survived due to hypothermia which sounds great but is kind of a double edged sword since hypothermia is also fatal. No doubt Sator knew the heat would reverse but he still counted on TP being frozen to death
@@ReMattch I re-watched that scene, and you're right. Neil also said that because of all the forward and backward entropy stuff intermixing from all the Turnstile use, the effects were dampened somewhat and that's what saved TP.
We’re going to check this is real
This is trippy af
You can see at about 3:38 the Protagonist makes eye contact with himself, which is why he threw the piece to him. We also see Sator sees the Protagonist in the this scene also. So Forwards protagonist knows his future, but Sator only realizes it after he went into the past.
So inverted Sator just put on a display for the protagonist to make it seem like he was being chased and interrogated, but he already knew what would happen and he also knew that TP didn't know about inversion fully yet
No, that chase scene is just the affect of the mechanics of the world of inversion. From Sator's perspective, TP and Neil (or the BMW) was chasing them. They tried turning around a couple of times to head towards the inverted protagonist, but Neil kept (indirectly) blocking them. So Sator had to gain some distance between the BMW in order to turn around and go to where he planned on going.
He did put on a show for the past Protagonist (the normal one at 3:49) threatening Kat to see if he would give him the algorithm.
@Mio248 Inverted Sator didn't actually try to turn around right away. He needed to put plenty of distance between forward Neil / TP so they wouldn't see him come from the wrecked Saab and suspect anything later. To OP's point, driving away from the BMW and swerving inverted looks like a chase in forward time. Inverted Sator knew he needed to do something dramatic to pressure TP to give up the case. So he worked backwards from seeing 241 land in the Saab while reverse handing-off the empty case, flipping the Saab with inverted TP, counting up from 3 while pretending to shoot Kat, and swerving to create a fake chase setup so forward TP doesn't think inverted and throws the 241 into a Saab that suddenly un-flips - deux ex-machina - in forward time.
@@brianfoss571 Quite possible, both scenarios.
The way you put this together is very comprehensive! Good video❤
Excellent. This read truly enlightening. Great job!
First movie i could say that has a lot of replayability, heck watching some of the scenes reversed seems to clear things up better
I wish this video followed him all the way to him dropping Kat off at the Freeport to watch the earlier scene backwards. He continues off to Vietnam in reverse time while earlier him, unspits on her, un kicks her and then she gets up and walks backwards to the car and drives away backwards to the boat. It's hinted at that reverse sator grabs her when she first shows up at the Freeport when there's a car with a driver wearing an oxygen mask on the blue side of the parking lot.
Ok. Ok. That was trippy. Ok I think I understand a bit more and after having watched this movie so many times I can’t believe I disregarded the backwards talking from the walkie-talkie
I keep wondering how inverted Sator and TP could communicate with each other. The answer would always always have to precede the question. But then there is no reason to ask a question, which means that there is no answer. It is one of the paradoxes of time travel
Sator is experienced enough with this stuff that he knows how to game the system. Like, he has a voice reverse app on his phone so TP can understand him. He shoots Kat, then counts "1...2...3..." knowing that TP would take it as a threat (he did this in the car chase, too). They're empty threats because he has to shoot Kat or not, _before_ he knows if TP complied, and only then he counts upward and actually makes the threat. When TP gives an answer, he knows that he needs to ask the question that would produce that answer. Sator makes several mistakes under time pressure, but he does more or less know the rules.
In this case, the really big mistake is that forward Sator assumed he wouldn't have entered the turnstile if he didn't have the answers he needed. Hence why he believed TP about the 241 being in the Mercedes. Then the Tenet combat team showed up and Sator had to rush into the turnstile and invert. His second mistake was that he still believed TP because he'd forgotten _why_ he believed TP, and didn't think to signal himself that he'd only inverted because the interrogation was interrupted. He was too intent on playing his part and getting out of there so he could grab the 241. It's an understandable mistake and didn't matter because while he didn't retrieve the 241 on the second pass, he figured out where it was so he could send his men to grab it on a third pass.
@@theprogram863 I don't understand why Battle Team Tenet didn't enter the turnstile and grab Sator. The later the Tenet battle team entered there after his entry (meaning our time), the more time lead they would have over Sator.
@@klecal True, and it's a great idea, but there are complications. First, we know (and Tenet knows) Sator was in the car chase after he left the turnstile. What happened, happened. Either there was no attempt at an ambush like you described, or they tried and failed.
TP tried to change things via inversion and it turned out he had been part of events all along. The Algorithm was sitting in the inverted Saab the whole time, while TP was preparing to enter the turnstile. One of Sator's men went back, waited for inverted TP to reverse up to the turnstile, give the saab a cursory (unsuccessful) reverse-search, and walk backwards into the building. Then Sator's man looked more carefully and grabbed it from the back seat.
A forward-moving TP could have searched the inverted Saab more carefully and gotten the Algorithm. But even then, he would have had to invert and drive the Saab/algorithm to the car chase so his past self could throw it into the car in the first place.
@@theprogram863 Did you find any mistakes in the movie?
@@klecal Yeah. Inverted weapons vs forward time objects like targets and the window, or inverted TP when stabbed in the arm by his uninverted past self: in those cases the damage gradually appears, then suddenly is healed by the attack. Kat, hit by the exact same inverted shot that healed the glass window, was unharmed until she was shot, and then the bullet even did lingering special damage to her after the attack that required her to be inverted.
There are also some logical inconsistencies about how inverted and uninverted objects affect one another. Nolan wasn't perfect, but wow he worked hard to get it right and it mostly held together.
This movie has the same time travel mechanic as Primer, with the difference that you don't have to be inside a box while moving backwards through time.
No, it doesn't. The key difference is that Primer takes a forking multiverse approach, where traveling back in time creates a new timeline. Tenet, by contrast, is entirely deterministic. There is only one timeline, and any time travel is already factored into it.
@@barbariandude I don't think that's the case. Literally the only difference between Tenet and Primer is that in Primer, the time traveler avoids causal interaction with the world during his trip backwards because he's stuck in a box, whereas Tenet, he's interacting with the world during reverse-time. Simply remove the box and allow full interaction during the trip back in time, and Primer becomes Tenet.
How about this scenario... Primer guy figures out how to turn the Box into a suit that you wear, allowing you to get up and walk around while you're time travelling.
@@Kragatar i think @barbariandude is correct, i think i remember primer having alternate timelines, like when they re-live the house party over and over until they get a version where they stop the shooter and are a hero.
@@gabrielsoyka5189 I'd have to watch it again, but I think it's all the same timeline, just getting progressively more screwed up from several layers of time travel going on at once. But it's hard to tell for sure. All depends if there's ever more than two copies of Abe or Aaron at any point... if it's all one timeline and they went back, say, three times, then there would have to be three duplicates during the overlapping time frame. Or in the case of the party hero routine, probably like 10 Aarons all existing at once...
That's one thing Tenet never tackled... could there be more than one duplicate using the turnstiles? Get in, go back 10 minutes, get out, wait 10 minutes, go back in, repeat. What would happen?
@@Kragatar Seems Primer is both, inversion but with the ability to travel back in time
thank you
All the events are determined and the temporal pincer doesn't give you any advantage. There are just events happening and their participants. There are no other outcomes. You couldn't observe an event then invert yourself to try to influence change on that event.
True. You go into the pincer movement with a kind of "faith" it will all work out, because it does. You know you'll fulfill what your inverted self is doing "out there". Still, his listening to the tips going on out there is a part of the process. He knows what to do, just as he sees himself through the glass.
Sator got the algorithm in the end, so I'd say it did give him an advantage. Even if it was predestined that it would always give him an advantage
This movie is complicated at first but when u accept how they made time work. It makes sense.
Loved this scene. I wish there was 5 Kenneth Brannaghs at the same time it be even better😀
Me too haha
Counts to 3..... 3 times (all times threatening Kat).
A lot of symbolism in this film.
I also love trying to figure out how that BMW got a broken mirror in the first place. The nature of it reminds me a lot of the building in the final battle (the one that takes 2 rocket launchers from both the future and the past).
The main theory is that the damage to the mirror is inverted as it is from an inverted car, so the entropy of the damage is "pissing against the wind" as the Protagonist put it. This means that in inverted time the damage loses out to forward entropy and gradually heals. And in forward time the damage gradually appears (like the bullet holes in the Oslo freeport) until the inverted car collides with it, instantly fixing it.
@@brianfunt2619 Okay, I’m straining my brain trying to understand your analogy, so mind me 😅.
So when they originally manufactured the BMW, was it made with a mirror?
Or
Was the car inverted and then the damage happened (as in Neil was driving an inverted BMW the whole time)?
Also, in regards to the science of what your saying, I’ve always thought that the knife wound of the Protagonist happened when he flipped over in the car (window glass shattering his arm). But the wound kind of played into his past self “giving him” the knife wound (or in his inverted case, “healing him”). That’s kinda how I at least interpreted that part.
Is that what you’re getting at or are you saying the “damage” and the “wounds” appear out of nowhere thanks to someone making a choice to play a role in the flow of time?
@@Mio248 The BMW was manufactured intact, perfectly normal, and was never inverted. The damage to the mirror came from the inverted SUV colliding with it. But as I said, the damage is inverted. This means, in inverted time, it is trying to make the mirror more disordered (higher entropy). But it's pissing against the wind of forward time, so the theory is the damage heals some time after happening, in inverted time. Which means from Neil & the Protagonist's perspective, the damage would start to appear at some point in the run up to the collision with the SUV.
The damage caused to the human body by injuries seems to work the same, except for lethal injuries. If you want a good explainer then search for Welby CoffeeSpill on CZcams
The one artistic license taken is that the cars seen to obey the timeflow of whoever is driving them.
Whereas driving a car that is inverted compared to you should be like “feeling the bullets” in ah early scene of the film,
Using the brakes first, then the accelerator later. But then they’d not move backwards.
Please let me know if you’re following my thinking here.
Yeah. How did he drive the saab? In reverse? He was inverted. The world was not. So neither was the saab. How did he drive it?
@@1994mrmysteryman I think the Saab was inverted too
@@1994mrmysteryman Saab was inverted.
1:00 I think that that car under the cover there is the non-inverted saab.
At some later point in time they invert it and put the inverted one outside.
@@jacobfischer3016 the Saab was inverted after the protagonist in normal timeflow, but to the inverted protagonist the normal future is the past, therefore the Saab was already there inverted on the other side.
The fun part of tenet is not the understanding of the story, is the frustration of understanding like we are scientist trying to understand the entire Tenet Time inversion.
The mistake here is at 3:24 because the reverse Audi SUV was driving itself. If the car was reversed Sator should have been driving it since the beginning and not jump on it later.
The magical audi suv!
After multiple watching, this movie is the most straight forwarded movie I have ever seen. So Good at its best!
This movie is LITERALLY the opposite of straight forward lol
@@jinks908 Did you watch it the way it wanted?
reverse heat would still be heat... just look at a simulation of kinetic particles then reverse the simulation. temperature backward is still temperature (although the escaping of it would be in reverse which would be even creepier because random heat from all around you would come in randomly and collect becoming really hot)
reverse heat is freeze. your heat flows to hot objects
Maybe if the film was edited in this fashion, it would've been more comprehensible
Exploding Saab is a reference to to Inception (Mumbai scene).
All i understand from this scene is its complicated to threat someone when youre inverted 😅
I think I understand now, so in the past they tell themselves in the future that it's in the saab so someone can just grab it some time between them arriving and protag picking it up
1:49 Did Sator mess up here? He's supposed to threaten to shoot her again before she'd been reversed-shot from his perspective. From the protagonist perspective, he already know that Sator is going to shoot Kat, because he saw the bullet, and the line "tell me or I'll shoot her again" before the actual shooting
He already knows he shot her in the past lol
Yeah. He knows the rules and mostly does a good job gaming the system, but it's a confusing situation and he doesn't have much time, so he slips a few times. Notice how he counts 3-2-1 before remembering to count _forwards_ to fake a threat to someone going the other way. Later, in the SUV with Kat, he remembers to count correctly and the threat is much more convincing.
OTOH, it's weird because the gunshot was inverted. The glass (uninverted) was already broken in the past and had Kat's blood on it, and Kat (also uninverted) is wounded in the future by the same shot. Plot hole, but if you accept that it happened, it means that the shot was inevitable whichever direction you go. Also that the bullet was inverted and stuck inside Kat-- how then did it make a bullet hole in the glass? You've got a hole in the glass, and the bullet was fired from Sator's gun, and Kat was in between. If the bullet had lodged in her body, the glass wouldn't have been damaged. Assuming the bullet hole happened and you play it backwards, the gun seems to "catch" the bullet, but it can't be in Kat's body in that direction either, or else what fired that bullet in the first place?
The movie does a great job, but trips up a bit when it tries to decide what happens when inverted and uninverted things interact with each other. Kat isn't inverted in this scene, so she should have slowly developed a gunshot wound (un-healed), and then the wound disappears when the bullet goes back into Sator's gun. That would be consistent with bullet damage in the rest of the movie, especially when TP is training and you're getting the exposition.
@@theprogram863 Is it possible the bullet wasn't "lodged" and passed her? I can't remember exactly. My point being is that as long as the bullet stayed in the room, it could travel back to the gun. If it stayed in her body, it sure was a plot hole (not story breaking though).
@@magnuskallas Yes, that's the only possibility. But in that case, you have an inverted gun firing an inverted round, hitting her and the glass (neither are inverted). From an uninverted point of view, the glass was damaged in the past and repaired by the inverted gunshot. To be consistent, Kat would have developed a gunshot wound in the days/hours/minutes leading up to the scene, which then heals when inverted Sator shoots her. That would be consistent how the rest of the movie treats inverted shots against uninverted targets.
Alternatively, Kat is fine until hit by the inverted round... but therefore the glass should have behaved the same way. The laws of physics shouldn't be able to tell the difference between a living person, a seat at an opera house, a pane of glass, and a target.
The "superpower" of inversion seems to be the surprise element: no one in normal time can figure out where you're going or trying to "ungo" or "undo." You're just passing thru, unless you step behind a bus!
A real kicker is by going backward Sator could both escape from the present (or future) and interact with the past in a coherent manner. Boths ends of TP's interrogation came out negative for Sator, but he fell for TP's ruse.
After thinking about it more, at least for the three-car scenario with Kat, I don't believe it is possible for Sator to have acted sequentially while inverted to get what he wanted. This scene we see in Normal time. But for Sator, he got the case even before he threatened Kat/TP for it. Sator was NOT acting backwards here.
An interresting thing with the forward-backward thing.
It's a well spread hypothesis and trope than you can't change the past , because paradox ect...
By following that logic you can't change the future outcome of interractions with inverted persons.
Why ? for your perspective your are in the now and your action affect the present.
But for an inverted person what you see as future is his past, and you can't change it.
In the TB vs inverted TB, When TB try to dodge the unshooting of his inverted self, no matter what he do if he survived the "first" unshoting from his perspective he will survive all of them, because from inverted TB that shot was the last. The 3 others shots lies in inverted TB's past, not in his future, and the past can't be changed.
@@mrcuttime22 From Sator's POV, he interrogated Protagonist, then got the thing.
@@ballom29 Well, but then that makes me wonder why inverted Protagonist pulled his gun at all. In fact, were there TWO GUNS in that scene?
People could go after him in the past though, as the protagonist tried to. So it is not really escaping in a sense.
Yeah I totally get it now 😅 👍🏽🤔
Pretty much the only major flaw in the timeline of this movie that I could find was the amount of time Sator spent between causing the Protagonist to crash and returning to set his car on fire. The protagonist lost his mask in the crash, then quickly put it back on, right before being approached by Sator. But at this same time, Sator was in the Audi driving away from/ pursuing the BMW. This is by far the biggest chronological flaw in the film and it always bugged me.
Not the same sator. Not a flaw
@@josephmelton4721 This theory falls flat when you consider that Kat was also there during both of these events. For this to work, Sator would have to do the exchange with the protagonist, then find a way to switch both his entropy and uninverted Kat's entropy at the same time, then once again, switch their entropies to return to the highway just as before. Why go through the trouble of taking Kat after he already got everything he needed? The reason is because he hadn't been back to the turnstile, and as soon as he returned, Kat would go back to where she was.
Haters will say it's in reverse
Still don’t understand
- why TP would throw the thing in the saab.
- why didn’t foward neil and tp see the exploding car at the beginning of the scene
Why does he put an oxygen mask on Kat's face, she's not inverted so she shouldn't need it, right?
Nevermind I just figured it out 😂
And everytime a notification pops up I'm like mmmh did I though 🤔
hey man i also have the same question but i stil couldnt answer that. The only thing i can think of is the camera mistake? Because Kat during car chase was not wearing any mask and she was not inverted. However, when we see the events fom inverted sator's perspective She wears a mask. Can you help me figure it out?
@@LifeInTheStreams Okay so I think it's because HE's inverted, and the room contains inverted oxygen, so inverted Sator doesn't need oxygen while inside but he does when he leaves, whereas Regular Kat doesn't need it outside, but she does need bottled regular oxygen while in the room.
@@LifeInTheStreams the air in the blue room is inverted. When TP, Neil, and the rest of the Tenet agents invert they don’t need oxygen masks until they enter the outside world. Kat wears one in this scene because she’s still in forward time, so she has to breathe regular air.
This is what happens when you make fun of Gilderoy Lockhart
what is the origin of the saab?
The word temporal here doesn't make sense. Does the reversal expire?
any1 else just realise through googling the actor that this is the dude that played Gilderoy Lockhart in harry potter 2 ?
this is the most confusing part of the movie, still cant fully understand what happened there
why on earth would the protagonist drive towards sator when he has the algorithm in the back of his car...?
At what point does sator go back into the turnstile to go forward in time again. And how long did he continue to go backward
He went backwards all the way to Vietnam weeks earlier, then uninverted.
This guy directed Thor and played Gilderoy Lockhart in Harry Potter
So of I understand correctly the information about where the piece of the algorithm is was relayed at the very beginning of the heist. So that Sator’s men who were moving forward in time just go and pick it up. My question is… Why does Sator prevent himself from having this knowledge by going into the back room at the beginning?
because ignorance is our ally
@@dylana.9057 I know the movie says that but could you explain how ignorance would be Sator's ally in this situation?
@@kamloopy2438 if you allow circular causality then literally anything can be said with no need to connect to anything outside the loop. You see a little bit of that with the idea of the device being in the BMW here. You need to prevent circular causality to allow information to come into the loop and then do a few loop de loops as long as you make sure the path of the information is never actually circular.
@@kamloopy2438 for the loop to be completed like personzorz said you can't just cheat or it would disrupt the loop so you have to let it play out or the time loop wouldn't work and it would create another loop .
I think it happens in the movie at the end. The question is , is disrupting the loop a predicted loop on itself. Was Neil supposed to save the protagonist by sacrificing himself , even tho he went against the rules .
Well I don't know. Tenet is a complex movie lol
Holy fuck my brain is on fire reading this lol, bravo though
When he comes out of the turnstile he's immediately told it's in the BMW. Does he then go on the shoot Kat to make sure that the answer he was just given was correct? In other words he knows that he could have been told a lie unless in the immediate future the information was given to him under threat to Kat?
So for these seen there are 4 things I guess...
1) for past correct flow is time
2) for past inverse flow of time
3) for present correct flow of time
4) for present inverse flow of time
And you can go wherever the hell you want & do whatever the fuck you want I guess....
bruh, the film presupposes a deterministic world...
What happens if one gets in but the second guy doesn't?
I think that means somethings wrong with the machine then and it annihilates you. Not sure though
That seems really easy to do, as well.
Of course, the SWAT team should have appeared in blue Sator's past.
Exactly.
Inverted Sator did no-sense actions, for example scene at 3.50
This all makes sense... Now if someone could explain the timeline of the Saab, that would be nice🤣🤣
Seriously though. Where did it begin and where did it end up? (ie: going forward, was it parked at the free port already? 🤔 Or is this forwards?) Whatever😅😅😓 Also, where was it when TP was robbing the truck... On fire backwards?
there's a car in the red room. that might the saab. idk i think nolan just left that up to our imagination.
I take months to understand Nolan movies,
Watching a movie to the end of an 8 hours night haul 🥴
3:05 The protagonist said what he knew, didn't lie on purpose. That let me thinking the following:
Maybe lies are just half truths we ignore.
Inverted lies
Was Kat sitting in a car with no driver?
This concept never worked for me because we have free will. Technically you could go back in time and do something different.
2:50 who threw the pelican case outside and why? i think nolan wrote to throw that case just for TP to put the earpiece inside and listen about the hypocentre but really weak.
Sator throw it because the box was empty and The Protagonist lied to him.
@@Germanskill205 Yes, but he never threw the case. Inverted Sator gets inside the S-class then suddenly the case jumped into the car that’s why in normal time it jumps out. Everything make sense except this Case thing
@@Germanskill205 Protagonist lies the algorithm is inside the BMW then Inverted Sator goes to check it. Then after finding out there’s nothing in that glove box he gets inside the S-class then magically the pelican case jumps into the S-class. So Plot hole or what?
@@zulprime5586 throwing the box is the last thing Sator does, that's why The Protagonist hears the conversation between Sator and his driver backwards. The box jumps into the car like the algorithm in the inverted Protagonist car goes back to the original car, or like the shooted bullets get back in the magazine.
I don't speak english very well so if you are confused with another thing this is all i understand. But it's true that the movie has a lot of nonsense.
@@Germanskill205 It’s simple but I actually drew some diagrams 😂
1. Sator check the BMW then no algorithm inside that Car
2. Sator gets inside the Mercedes s-class then suddenly the orange case jumps inside the car(Mercedes s-class)
3. Then Sator gets inside the Audi Q7 then Sator see the algorithm jumps from the Silver car(SAAB) into the BMW(past) then he crashes the SAAB silver car
1:55 Why is he not shouting this?
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this movie cannot see as one scene only, it confused me lol 😅
Where does he go when he goes through the turnstile and you don't see him come out and ives said he's gone to the past?
He goes back in the past. And so he "disappears" for you / protagonist because you are still flowing towards the future.
@@flamfloz it's a head melt still figuring it out and all the different scenes 👍
okay so here's the plot hole. TP going forward in time knows that he saw himself in the saab and tossed the piece in there. so once he inverted, he should have just grabbed it and left it with the cavalry before going off to try to rescue kat.
No,because what's happened happened,he just cannot change it
@@karinkishiryu7459 you're correct. but i'm saying TP had every opportunity as time was traveling forward to make a different choice, so it didn't *have* to happen the way it did. "what happened happened" in this case, was only for the sake of the plot, that's what makes it a plot hole.
like what should have happened:
- inverted sator sees the hand off, he knows where it is
- normal TP throws the piece to himself, he knows where it is
- TP captured, interrogated
- there's a squabble over the piece in the saab, maybe sator gets it for the sake of plot
- TP inverts to participate in hand-off, try to rescue kat
That's not really a plot hole. TP made a mistake going out there cause he thought he'd be able to save Kat. In this universe, time traveling doesn't change the past, whatever's going to happen is always going to happen and has already happened the way it did. TP's motivation to go out there was to save Kat and that motivation is what led to his actions. He didn't just leave it with the cavalry cause he didn't fully understand how inversion worked.
@@choicemeatrandy6572 okay but.. moving forward through the chase the first time around, TP saw himself driving the inverted saab, and he threw the piece into it. the very saab that he stepped into when he first inverted. why wasn't he like "hmm i wonder if that piece i threw into this car is still there." like sure, the AUDIENCE didn't know it was there, but in that moment, HE did, because the hand-off had already happened and he knew how it all went down.
Guys, I still don't get it
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So how did Sator get the algorithm? If he blew up the protagonists car
He has his men collect it from the Saab at the freeport. The piece was already in the car when The Protagonist got in. He unknowingly handed it to Sator on a plate.
He blew it up at the end of the car’s inverted journey, which is actually far into the past. Moving forward in time, the car will unblow-up, reverse back to Freeport, and the piece will be in the backseat where sator’s men can pick it up.
That actress is 6'4"
Nolan and Remedy have a lot in common.
Reporter: Is this movie about time travel?
Nolan: no. technology that can invert an object’s entropy.
Reporter: you mean reverse chronology, like Feynman and wheeler’s notion that a positron is an electron moving backwards in time?
Nolan: sure, that’s exactly what I meant.
Reporter: I have a master’s in physics.
Nolan: well, try and keep up.
Reporter: the implications of this are…
Nolan: beyond secret
Reporter: then why’d you bring me in ?
Nolan: I thought we’d find a drawing and a couple boxes of bullets.
Reporter: not as surprised as I was.
Nolan: I’m going back to Mumbai to get some answers. I’ll set you up as a go-between, but remember, to you… it’s all about plutonium or when we’re done, they’ll kill you.
Reporter: won’t you have to do that anyway?
Nolan: I rather it be my decision.
Reporter: so would I. I think.
… still don’t get it 💀😭
How can The Protagonist see Sator in blue room, when Sator didn't use Turnstile yet at red room? Because Sator survived and used Turnstile anyway? What's happened, happened, as Neil says? Anyone?
Sator uses the turnstile, a minute later, when Ives and his team burst into the red room.
Exactly what you said. What happened happened. He can see and talk to Sator in the other room (the past) because Sator will go through the turnstile and invert.
Spoke to a physicist who explained to me that inversion wouldnt work as at a quantum level, you cannot just "uncollapse" a particle's wave function.
But what if it did...that's this movie...i talked to a physicist and he said u cant go back to the past...but we have 1000s of movies about going back to the past ...
@@sandeepdas3526 You can't go back to the past but you can go back. But it's not you're past as you're changing it by just going back. So the future you just came from isn't the same either.
Iam so happy about it, that i watched this crap not in the cinema
This movie makes no fucking sense
It does completely in the context of the movie's established premises
God everything I see about this movie makes me glad I didn't waste my time on this steaming pile of shit.
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