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Why do these tattoo artists hate their clients ??
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- čas přidán 18. 08. 2024
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Why Do these tattoo artists hate their clients? At least it seems like they do! Tattoo artists are coming online to complain about their clients, belittle them, make fun of their bodies and much more. Tattoo artists seem like they hate their clients & a lot of people are coming online to say they've been made to feel like an inconvenience while getting tattooed - so why do these tattoo artists hate their clients?
0:00 Introduction
1:22 Convention Interviews
3:03 Making Fun of Clients Bodies
5:05 Manta Sleep
6:27 Rude Tattoo Artists
8:00 Tattoo Show Behavior
9:39 Why Are Tattoo Artists Mean
11:20 Old School Shops
12:26 Making Fun of Clients
14:06 Tattoo Recession
15:29 Sexism in the Industry
18:50 Racism in the Industry
21:10 Industry Changes
22:17 Final Thoughts
See you next week! 💛
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Tattooers are so strange. Refuse to do marketing, confused why they have no walk ins, don’t make any effort to fill their books, confused why they don’t have appointments, take 50+% of their artists wages, confused why people choose to open studios instead of joining a shop with a bunch of weirdos and oldheads
Don't forget about having apprentices pay through the nose just to sweep and mop floors and maybe--just maybe getting to learn how to tattoo people
Every tattoo place in my area HATES a walkin.
Every time Celle covers a “tattoo controversy” i just laugh because the industry is basically 97% scummy practices, exploitation, and egos.
Its really “who isn’t scummy?” at this point.
This is such a stellar comment🎯
This doesn't sound like any tattooers I know
Here's my theory: tattoo artists were always jerks but now we have the internet and can see it and talk about it.
What’s the saying “now that everyone has a cell phone Bigfoot disappeared, aliens stopped abducting people, and politicians have become corrupt.”
Amen.
I know a tattoo artist, he told me it’s a very toxic work environment.
Here's my theory: Most tattoo artists are not "artists."
Yeah. Any sorta "looks" based businesses is gonna be Hella toxic. Makeup artist, hairdressers, peorcers are the same
It would hurt my soul to hear someone who has tattooed me, talking shit then put two and two together and realize it’s actually me they’re talking shit about. That’s so fucking cold, dude.
Yeah, I agree. Eventhou I probably wouldn't feelvery insulted if they said something about my body, bcuz I don't give a ef anymore at this age when everything is sagging anyways, but I wouldn't give them my money again, when there are popping up so many good and new tattoo artists everywhere.
Plus, even if they are talking about other clients, what’s to stop them from talking about you later on. 😢 I won’t go back to someone who does this. It’s not exclusive to tattoo artists either! Hair stylists, medical professionals, etc.
@@coryoliver3090 Sometimes there are bad clients. I have experienced this working in salons. And I have no problem talking shit on someone who is rude or disrespectful or hateful. What I wouldn’t do is comment on someone’s body when they’ve personally done nothing to offend me.
@@Littlelikeme92i worked retail and we’d def talk shit abt ppl who were rude to us or crazy customers but amongst ourselves in the break room
@@yamomma8560that's different to having a public video out there for anyone to see. And I assume you were talking about their behaviour not shaming their bodies - as humans we need space to talk about things/people that have bothered us but there's no need to be unkind or to do it publicly.
I think the smell one is reasonable. You should make sure you're not stinky when you're gunna have someone working on you. That's just manners.
Although I agree some people cannot control it because of medical reasons and that's something u expose urself with a job like that.
I used to have a friend with problems in her sweat glands and she would sweat much more than she should and b stinky 2 hours after a shower. Should she just not get tattooed??
I will always make sure to be clean and smelling good, cus I can, but some people simply cannot like that; why choose a job that might have u 20 cm away from a stinky something if u cannot handle stinky
Agreed! It’s really disrespectful to those around you. Outside of medical issues, you really shouldn’t be stinky at your appointment (or anywhere else really).
@@nora2621 douse yourself in cologne or something
She even has a video in the past titled how not to be annoying tattoo client that says dont be smelly when getting tattooed. Shes fake af for that
People sweat profusely when nervous/in pain
I kindly disagree about the odor thing. Take a shower before going in a tatoo session. For yourself and you own confort, and for the artist as well.
But sure, a tatoo artist do not make your client unconfortable about that neither !
So agree. Smelly in itself isn’t too bad, but nasty is just not right.
I had to walk half a mile to my last tattoo appointment, in the middle of summer when it was over 80°F (I sweat very easily when my heart rate elevates even the slightest). I brought a change of clothes, and put on deodorant. Even though I had showered that morning, I wanted to make sure I was smelling good.
Agree. Medical/dentist, massage therapists, hair stylists, henna artists, manicurists, basically anyone that is going to be in close contact with you deserves the consideration. There's a difference between 'clean' sweat odor and 'funky', and people in those professions know the difference. But people should be kinder when pointing it out tho
agreed. if there are circumstances you can do absolutely nothing about (like hot weather), have a wet wipe bath before your session. common sense and common courtesy when visiting any professional who’s gonna be in close contact with your body.
Yes!! If a person doesn’t take care of their hygiene properly to me that’s a huge red flag as to whether they will take proper care of their tattoo afterwards, to make sure it doesn’t get infected!!
The studio I go to is so friendly. I wore a skirt to a session and forgot I’d be lying down a lot, so I was worried my skirt would ride up. The owner came over and put his jacket over my butt to give me assurance and no one brought any attention to it. It was a small act but it showed respect, I will recommend them all day every day
That is actually really considerate and kind of him, it’s always such a green flag when tattoo artists go out of their way to make people comfortable
This is such good service on the artists part. My first big tattoo was from my knee to my armpit. The session where we worked on my thigh/hip was so anxiety inducing for me. I was wearing pretty much booty shorts that still had to be pushed up. It was the same thing though, anytime I was more exposed than I normally would be, my artist would take his jacket and drape it over me. Its such a small detail but being a woman, I feel like its especially important to be made to feel comfortable.
If u dont wanna be exposed dont wear booty shorts this is simpe stuff
@@kazzykaioken8873jesus christ go away
@@kazzykaioken8873did you read the comment or no because it really seems like you didn't
I’m a professional body piercer myself but I think that what I’m going to say applies. We have truly forgotten that body modification was a very ritualistic and almost shamanic experience. Even if your client is not asking or seeking a spiritual experience, they are asking you to change their physical body in a permanent way. You are being allowed access to someone’s body in an intimate way that even a lover may not be allowed that same access (for example as a piercer, clients allowing me access into their nose). We seem to have only taken the mechanical aspect of body modification and left all of the meaning and history behind. Tattoo artists and piercers alike need to take a good look at the significance of what we are doing for people.💚
Wonderfully said
"as a tattoo artist, myself" period!! proud of you :)
Read this right as she said it, so proud!!
Honestly I almost teared up when she said that 🥹 been here since the beginnings 🤍
A woman's opinion means so little to men.
I think Tiktok and Instagram are great because we don't have to go to a tattoo studio to weed out horrible artists, they out themselves being sexist/racist/rude/mean/toxic/etc. without us having to leave our couch. I hope they continue to wear their red flag publicly, it is really helpful!
THIS!! 😭😭
Yeah that part is cool but on the other side of the coin the downfall of humanity because of tiktok and Instagram kinda sux
Stay home and stay hidden. You're weak.
@@chungusamongus519 theyre weak because they dont like rude or bigoted people? that says so much about you
My mom got her only tattoo in the 90's. She wanted it placed on her lower back, tramp stamp style. The artist had her take off her pants, which she wasn't prepared for and was wearing a thong. Several other people in the studio (not sure if they were artists or clients) ended up coming over while the artist placed the stencil. She ended up agreeing to a placement she didn't want (on her butt) because she was uncomfortable with all the people looking at her butt and just wanted to get it over with. She laughs about it now but it's still messed up 👀
Sounds horrible. I would bail
Sad to hear about your mom's experience (and I can't comment on whether is was mean spirited or not because I wasn't there), but a 2nd opinion on the placement is not a bad thing perse. I've had that happen with several of my tattoos. A small discussion beforehand about the placement and/or sizing among professionals is just good practice.
@@Zeitgeist6 I agree but she shouldn't have had to take her pants completely off. She's always described it as 4-5 people looking at her not 2.
@@_Oof_ Yeah okay I'll agree with that.
oh gross. :(
I just got my first tattoo almost a week ago, and I had the sweetest tattoo artist ever. She was so awesome, she took the time to explain how things were gonna go and really gave me a voice on everything. Not only that, but anytime my body has an interaction with a needle, I have a vasovagal response (lightheaded, vomiting, break out sweating, etc...) and she handled it with grace and kindness. I can't wait to go back to her in the future
My main guy is really nice as well! He actually wants to add more to my rainbow fish tattoo
So glad to hear that you found a great artist. I can imagine that it is pretty difficult for you to go to a tattoo session with these symptoms. You have my respect for your bravery to deal with it!
@@LunaSeraphine thank you! The pain is honestly not bad at all, it’s just what my silly body does lol. I have had period cramps worse haha
@@chloenord280 yeah I feel you with both ^^
Yas for girl tattoo artists
has anyone noticed that some artists gatekeep their basic rules for clients? like i think about the tiktok where the artist mocked walk-in clients, and i wonder what would happen if bro posted his expectations for walk-ins instead of expecting people to read his mind. nothing wrong with having norms, just make them accessible!
My artist told me he doesn't show the design until appointment only after I made a deposit. While I can understand some artist might do that, I would've liked to know that beforehand. Does that count as gatekeeping?
I traveled +500 km to see a design I didn't even know if I'd like and ended up getting it even if it was something different than what I had in mind because I really wanted a tattoo already, didn't want to travel for nothing, didn't want to be confrontational about it and make it akward, and wanted a tattoo from that person. While I love my tattoo and my artist was very sweet, I'm a bit sad about how most of the symbolism of the design I originally had in mind got lost after me putting so much thought into it :(
@@OwnyOne I have heard that artists keep custom designs from clients due to past circumstances where clients have taken their sketches and given it to another artist so they can be tattooed cheaper. I personally wouldn't call it gatekeeping because it's a measure to make sure you're legit about getting the tattoo. But I do agree, when you don't see a custom and deeply personal tattoo until day-of, there's a lot of pressure to say yes so as not to give the artist the trouble of redoing things.
@@anawagen9788 I understand artist gotta protect their work, it just would have been nice to know the process before committing. Also it's not like he showed me the finished piece at any point (I only saw it finished when it was done on my arm after 4 hours), it was more like a sketch/photobash of the design. I really trust his rendering skills so that was fine, if anything it only made it a little more confusing on why he didn't want to show it beforehand if it was just this sketch design idea, but I guess every artist have their own reasons like the one you mentioned, and maybe even a sketch like that can be stolen.
Btw do you think it's okay to ask to see a design beforehand after offering to pay part of the tattoo before appointment or even an extra fee?
@@OwnyOne This is pretty standard within the industry, globally. That said, while most artist would not send you their designs/allow you to take a photo of a design, most *will* allow you to stop by the studio prior to check it out and discuss any changes you may want to make to the design. Depending on the size of the tattoo you are getting, it may be realistic to set these kinds of consultation anywhere from a few weeks to a few days prior to the appointment. While I totally understand it may be a little inconvenient in your unique situation, I hope you understand it's simply the artist protecting themselves from theft.
It does appear that communication between you and your artist was poor. If certain design ellements were important you you, there should have been space to clearly communicate this to your artist - vise versa, if certain client expectations were unrealistic, or would not work tattoo technically, it would have been the artists responsibility to explain this to you in a way that is understandable to you.
@@KattLuck Warning: Wall of text incoming might get a lil ranty 😭
Communication was basically me describing specifically what I wanted, him telling me he was down to do a tattoo like that, and then booking info. There was no discussion about final design or ideas/changes afterwards, and that made me anxious as hell but as I mentioned I already made the deposit when he told me he doesn't share designs online.
Once on the studio I saw the design and learnt the biggest change was based on the original idea being too common, it seems, though I knew it was common and truly didn't mind since it was based on a specific videogame object that just had that type of design, and I cared more about the symbolism.
I thought requesting big changes on the appointment date would be rude and/or require too much extra time and could end up with us not getting to an agreement... So I went with his interpretation.
Now I'm still thinking of getting that missing piece as a whole tattoo elsewhere since I really wanted it, even if I cannot get it to have the same meaning now :/
If I could've gone prior to see the design in person I would have, but most of the tattoos I want to get require traveling to a different country and full online booking, so it's not possible for me to go in person more than one or two times to get the tattoo done.
I understand artist must protect their work, but I have to book a flight, get a hotel, and travel many kilometers with all the extra money and effort that requires, just because I like them that much, and I still don't get a hint of trust back from them. It mostly seems like they have all the power and control over you as a client, so how can you request anything? Hell you're luckly is some of the more selective ones are interested in doing your tattoo!
If someone only does freehands or likes to make their own designs without your input just say so from the start!
Now that I know tho, I'll just make lots of questions before I even think of getting an appointment to see if the artist is a good fit for me, even if that can be annoying to artist...
PS: I AM an artist too! (I don't tattoo tho) so I understand many of the things we have to go through, but still! I always make sure to listen to client input and make adjustments as necesary for a piece or animation until the client is happy, and they're so grateful some even generously tip!
It was a bit shocking to learn how different tattoo artist can be with clients in comparison! Like how many of them just want to do mostly what they want over what they were asked to do! More so without clearly communicating it! I know it varies from person to person, but there are so so many stories out there of not so good experiences... that it's kind of sad!
I got a tattoo done of a full moon with arrows in it for my dog Arrow who passed away, the guy did a terrible job, looks like a chocolate chip cookie, I went it to get it touched up / fixed and he straight up laughed and joked about the tattoo with the other artists laughing about how bad it was. Let’s just say I have a lot of friends with tattoos and I let everybody know they were terrible. True Blue Tattoo Austin TX (on airport)
As someone who lives in Texas, thank you so much for the warning 🙏🏻 I love tattoos and would like to be tattooed eventually but I have a hard time trusting artists lol
Im so sorry for your loss and that experience. I hope you could get it fixed
You got a tattoo at the airport??
It’s a road, Airport Blvd.
I was talking to an artist about getting something touched up, sent him a picture of the tattoo, and he said: it’s pretty bad tbh and ghosted 💀💀💀
Competition is the best way to get rid of this people, nowadays there's so many nice artists out there, that if your online presence is toxic soon you will be out of business
This is exactly the real reason alot of shop artist are so sour and cant manage to stop the tears when it comes to self taught "scratchers " and or kitchen wizards. they feel threatened because of the amount of talent that is coming out, It also became very accessible to get started you just need to put in the work, no toilet scrubbing required 😊
@@phantasmaX33I’ve also seen my fair share of scratchers forgoing any blood born pathogen training or basic hygiene setups, I know one dude who got a blood* infection getting scratched on someone’s front porch.
Your mileage will vary. I refuse to get tattooed anywhere that doesn’t have an autoclave and will let me see their steri area.
It is so funny watching this right after treacle tatts' video on the so-called "tattoo recession" that some artists have been whining about. She basically came to the same conclusion--the people complaining are the very same a-holes in these videos, who are finally facing consequences for the way they treat their clients.
I only go to a female artist now after many bad experiences with male artists. I felt ignored, mocked and like my ideas were stupid.
Women artists listen and make me feel comfortable. So proud of our female artists 🩵 love your videos celle!
I only go to male artists because the female ones I’ve gone to have always been way too indirect about what is and isn’t possible for a tattoo. They also never seem to be ready for when the appointment starts- 1 1/2 hrs waiting around for them to set up. Hmm come to think of it maybe we shouldn’t generalize based on gender and instead judge people by their individual merit and not make so many assumptions. Just a thought :D
@@ripem1417 youre so passive aggressive and for what? this person just had bad experiences with the male tattoo artists they saw in the past and now the female one they go to is good. sometimes it happens that men are jerks and don’t listen.
stop being butthurt. just move on. if you wanna try to prove not all men are bad ppl, try being empathetic and listening instead of being defensive over something that didnt even happen to you.
@@toothcruncher I’m just sharing my experience with female artists. :D stop being butthurt and just move on 🤙
@@ripem1417 you weren’t though. if you were, you would have left it at that before making that dumb remark about generalizing, which the original commenter didn’t even do.
@@toothcruncher It’s not dumb to think generalizing a group of people based on gender isn’t a good thing. Again, I’d take your own advice and keep it moving instead of being butthurt :D
I keep hearing that business is slow, but I've been struggling to get artists to even respond to booking requests. I'd do backflips for a simple "I'm not interested" at this point.
Why is this so common??? My gf has struggled to book dates with artists on more than one occasion and at one point gave up on an artist bc they took weeks to reply to emails
I wonder if its an issue mainly in California?
@djentile7773 I never had this problem in California. Tons of good artists mean everyone has time to fill. Down south I can see this being a bigger problem. The 1 good artist in a given area can be booked 6 months to a year out
Well if your tryin to get someone who's good you usually will have to wait I know a girl who only goes to one guy and she has to book 4-5 months ahead of time
Not a tattoo artist, but I'm a nail tech, so I also work with skin and the myths about darker skin are everywhere. I work in a very diverse salon in NYC, so we have very diverse clientele. Have I worked on darker skin people who have thicker skin, yes, but I have had just as many very pale skin people with tough and thick cuticles and callouses. I never thought anything of it until I was in a continuing education session with a head tech who is Black. She told me I was being too gentle with cuticles and that especially when I'm working with darker skin that I need to be more forceful. I don't want to tell a woman of color that she isn't correct or is working with skewed information, but I will continue to base my work on what each client needs. I am so happy to hear that there is research that backs up what I have seen during my years of experience
Reminds me of how hospitals would give black women less pain medication while giving birth because black people supposedly have a higher pain tolerance. Ummm, give that lady her drugs. wtf 😂 idk who taught that head tech, but going rougher on cuticles is not necessary. (A lot of) yall be rough as hell already. You're not helping by being afraid to tell a colored woman she's wrong though just because she's colored. What's her number? I'll tell her lmao.
So you didn't say anything to the head tech about your experience?
@Smithpolly She isn't exactly the most receptive person. She is very stuck in her ways and I don't think I'm going to change her opinions. I have spoken with other techs I work with about it, so hopefully that will help counteract her teaching in some way.
@@starrynyte158 There's a big difference between saying " I don't want to tell a woman of color that she isn't correct or is working with skewed information, " and saying I don't want to tell her because "She isn't exactly the most receptive person. She is very stuck in her ways and I don't think I'm going to change her opinions."
Your thoughts are that of a professional, while that 'black' lady is being messy. No client wants to be treated roughly! Wth was she thinking?!
It's because there's nobody to hold them accountable for their actions...they think they are there own boss, they work for themselves, if they don't wanna do the tattoo they don't have to, they get paid really well, and can make a lot of money... So they have big egos. In reality every client is your boss, the client is who hires you ,and the client can fire you, the client pays you well, and tips you... If you ask a tattooer who they work for? They will say , I work for myself.. when in fact they work for the client. They need to get off their high horse, and have their egotistical attitudes knocked down a few notches
I learn a lot from this comment section on how to be a better freelance artist
There are people in other industries who work for themselves and don't have a ridiculous ego.
For some reason, people who are getting tattoos don't leave when they aren't shown respect.
@@leehalloway8787 I bet it's because they already paid a deposit
I remember I was 18 and with my ex-boyfriend as he was getting a tattoo. I talked to the tattoo artist afterward, saying I wanted to get a tattoo here but wanted it in colour. He immediately told me I was too dark for colour and should stick with black and white. I am an extremely light-skinned mixed person.
For years I believed him and ever since then I super vet tattoo artist and see if they actually can tattoo on skin that isn't just printer paper white lol
The first tattoo I ever got was a quote that wraps around my ankle like a permanent anklet. I did NOT know I was getting it. My friend surprised me, as a congratulatory gift for escaping an abusive relationship where I was under no circumstances allowed to get a tattoo. I was beyond appreciative of her doing this for me, but of course I was nervous because it’s literally my first tattoo, a tattoo that was going directly on a tendon and a bone, that I didn’t know I was getting 😅 Admittedly I was excitedly asking questions like how should I sit, which part do I need to prepare myself to hurt the most, am I gonna cry, etc 😅
The guy who was scheduled to do my tattoo got in my face and said “if you cry I swear on my life I will stop tattooing, leave the studio, get in my car and go home. And I won’t come back till you leave”. I told him that I wasn’t really worrying about crying as it was more of a joke, but I would like to know which part will hurt the most just to prepare myself. And no joke he said “it’s a tattoo on the ankle, all of it will hurt if I want it to” I just kinda sat there stunned. So he finished the conversation with “I don’t let f*cking cry babies in my chair. You’re either going to shut up and sit still so I can get this over with or you’re not getting a tattoo today”.
Because I had literally just escaped a very dangerous abusive relationship I was so used to getting yelled at like this I didn’t make another peep. I didn’t cry, didn’t move, didn’t even blink for a full 5 minutes.
I only realized this was unacceptable behavior after the owner of the shop took him to the back and cussed him tf out. Not only did he profusely apologize to me but he also sent him home for the day (and told him not to come back if that’s his attitude towards female clients), rescheduled all his clients coming in that day, and offered to do my tattoo for half the cost even with a more expensive design. Of course I agreed and he made me feel so comfortable the entire time, to the point I actually fell asleep at one point lol. I found out while talking to him that he was on one of the early Ink Master seasons and had a wall full of plaques and trophies from competitions and conventions. He truly loved his job, his studio, and he wanted people to be proud of the art he put on their body. I’ve had this tattoo for 11 years now (never had a touch up) and I still get compliments on the colors and the font style he helped me pick. It’s impossible to put into words how much I appreciate that man. I was so young, timid, and so used to abuse that I would have never even thought to stand up for myself in that situation. I would have left with a mediocre tattoo at best and a horrible experience which would have discouraged me from ever getting another tattoo.
He did more than just stand up for me that day. The tattoo itself was so liberating for me to begin with and helped heal some of the most broken parts of me. It’s a symbol of strength for me, and even now (thanks to him) it’s also a reminder that I can and should always stand up for myself. The abuse, the insults, the threats, being degraded and bullied on a daily basis all ended in that chair. There’s no way I could do this story justice in one comment as I can’t accurately describe how healing this process was for me. It was more than just a tattoo.
This is the power a tattoo artist has. You don’t know the story behind the person who is sitting in your chair and the impact you will have on their life. Like you said, it’s a genuine privilege to have someone trust you with their skin, almost an honor ❤
A lot of tattoo artists seem to be totally unwilling to acknowledge the fact that they represent a business. Everything they say will be scrutinized, so why in the world would they make controversial content and just blast it out all over social media?
Why do so many people in the culture tell you "Your tribal cat is so awesome" then make fun of it behind your back? People are extremely judgmental and unsupportive within this culture. I thought we were a tribe.
It is a tribe of ‘Im so cool for how I look’ ‘I’m so different’
If you think there's any "tribe" that doesn't also include and practice infighting and a caste system based on arbitrary, ever changing, *unwritten, *unspoken rules...
Welp, today someone told you.
Colonization had deeply affected our tribes, as an Indigenous Tribal member I won’t get a tribal tattoo because of how many people shit talk “tribal” design. Also, tattoos on dark skin are easy if you have a grasp of basic color theory. I wish people respected the art of the craft, instead of making it a playground for rampant egos.
People only don’t like the shitty 90s to very 2000s "Tribal” design. No one actually gives a shit about indigenous tattoos if you yourself is apart of the culture where the tattoo comes from.
@@eggthetalonflame1453you really should open a history book. Are you really not aware of forced assimilation and the generational trauma it has wrought?
@@xdani_thethinkingneko Oop not you telling someone to open up a book when the only books you be reading are "Yaoi" Porn of anime dudes
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@@eggthetalonflame1453There are definitely a lot of people who dump on tribal designs. They never ask if someone is actually from a tribe, unless that person looks a certain way.
i once went to a studio that consisted of 4 male artist and one female artist (i went to the woman to get tattooed) and omg the vibe in there was AWFUL. those male artists where judging me and my tattoos left and right even tho i had NO business with them at all. i never went there again and i think the female artist also left the studio later on
Reminds me of miami ink
Ah i'd just avoid men only or male dominated studios tbh
Watching tattoo tok and seeing all the "whats a red flag", and "what tattoo are you tired of doing?" Has made it hard for me to want to get anymore tattoos.
Same! I want a coverup on an old, bad tattoo with scars...I'm not sure if I feel comfortable with potentially getting talked about and overtly criticized for my style choice.
Re: why are artists so mean - none of those has ever applied to me and I've still encountered so many tattooers with huge attitudes. I don't come in with a big group, I don't film anything for tiktok, I'm not a looky-loo and Im more than willing to pay for quality work, but I'm still treated like an asshole from the second i step foot inside. These late 30s and older guys just see a young woman and no matter what kind of work I already have, no matter what I'm looking for, I'm wasting their time and they wish I'd just fuck off. It really has put me off getting tattoos because I don't want to go somewhere and sit for 2 hours in tense, angry silence feeling like I'm offending someone just for existing and wanting to pay them to perform a service for me.
Exactly. Which is why we all need to stop paying these people our money and go to female artists instead. Let's see if they'd still be bothered to have our business then
@@Hekate-Ink Naw cuz some of these Artists have valid points tho - Why TF are you HAIRY and trying to get a Tattoo make it make sense You should know that being hairy is an issue when getting a tattoo and it will be barely visible to begin with. 🤦♂
I’ve been married to a tattooer for 8 years, but before him I was in an abusive relationship with another one. Tattooers can be some of the most egotistical jerks on the entire planet. If someone wants a taz? You do the BEST taz you can. Someone want an infinity sign? You do the BEST version you can and shut up. My husband is such a respectful guy.
Here’s how it was to get tattooed by my ex:
Other tattooers coming in and out of his room while I’m in pain, with no regard for my privacy.
Bad talking about client’s.
Constant flirting.
Regarding inclusivity: We also need to see more universally accessible tattoo studios. Disabled people are completely taken out of the discussion when it comes to tattoos but so many of us want to use them as a way to reclaim our body or just self expression like anybody else. I have a friend who has a solid concept and the money to get tattooed, but she can't even enter our local shops because she's a motorized wheelchair user and most shops aren't made for that. Many of us also struggle with spasms, but we're seen as "bad clients" for things we can't control. You have to be a stoic canvas who takes pain like a champ, not asking for more. Also knowing the space is safe for stimming or having sensory support tools like headphones or plushies as adults can read help managing the stress for neurodivergent people.
It is an art, but it's indeed a service job and many tattoo artists forget that. Getting tattooed while being disabled can be a healing experience, but it could also cause more trauma if the artist forget to have respected for our disabled experience and make us feel like an inconvenience once again.
yes! thank you! wheelchair access is rare, from what ive seen and inclusivity for disabled people should be discussed more.
Yes!!! All of this! Tattoo artists like the ones in the video are so scary to me from a mental illness perspective, like… will people listen to me? Or assume they know best and ignore my statements about sensory issues/pain tolerance (low)/general anxiety/struggles I might have with the aftercare for the tattoo (executive functioning disorder)? And if I have concerns or ask a ton of “stupid questions” or react dramatically to pain or sensory issues, will I just be another shop story of their “worst client?”
Like damn. I don’t have tattoos cause I don’t know if I’d be consistent about aftercare without another person around to keep me on track. But if I got one and saw my artist on TikTok telling a “horror story” about my body or me asking dumb questions, I’d feel literally sick, being hated on behind my back is a big anxiety trigger!
Basically, visible and invisible disabilities NEED to be addressed and seen as valid by artists. People NEED to be taken at their word when they discuss concerns with their artists, too. Shops should be accessible, artists shouldn’t get a weird look on their face if they see a person with a physical disability enter their shop (yes I’ve heard of that!), etc.
Absolutely should be ADA compliant.
As a disabled person thank you.
That's one thing I love about my guy. I was so scared to tell him I'm disabled because I was afraid he would say I couldn't get tattooed but instead he just made sure I was comfortable and worked with me when I couldn't make it in one day due to a flare. He was impressed with my pain tolerance and that's how I ended up telling him lol. I was like, hun this is nothing.
I think you hit the nail on the head when you talked about " rockstar behavior " . They no longer serve the alternative scene exclusively and they resent it , so they become caricatures in hopes of repelling "posers" when really... They just need to adapt . It's for everyone now.
So much of it is just like: "Oh yeahhh, we're old school tattoo artists, we're tough, we're baaad, we gotta revolt and be mean," like, relax, it's ok to just be nice to people.
being nice is gay tho >:(((((((
They wouldn’t last a day teaching teenagers en mass, attitude problems, tight exam schedule working through breaks lunch holidays!
Teenager wasting your time!
Hence why people are reluctant to go to get tattoos; because the artists are…weird and lack customer service skills. I hope and pray that work ethics are exercised in the future.
this is what i been saying like they have horrible customer service skills and even if they do have some their ethics are skewed and idk just all around people that you probably wouldnt want to be putting a tattoo on you but here we are where every tattoo aritist is like that.
@@happyhugget7940 well, not all tattoo artists are mean. I know a few who are awesome people. It suck s that the majority are.
@@weedarussell2945 well thats good to hear . i feel like tattoo artists need to go through training in this area while apprenticing . but that would mean the tattoo mentors would have to do that themselves and also just care at all its like a bad cycle. in my experience with an apprentice there where zero boundaries or rules for the apprentice. i went to an apprentice who was giving me a mid tattoo (obviously) but he convinced me to get it bigger and bigger while i was there since he can use only one sized tattoo needle apparently (which wasnt explained to me either) he just said he cant do the details that i wanted. which, apprentices of less than a year should only be tattooing nothing more than a certain size. like, this kid could give someone a sleeve if they wanted it. and they need to learn how to learn how someone’s excitement can warp their judgement. i forget what its called but its like tattoo high or something and i think its easy to manipulate people to get something they dont want in that state.
@@happyhugget7940 manipulation does happen a lot and training is DEFINITELY needed in the tattooing industry. You also have some that sees the future on how the tattoo may develop or fade and they try to compromise with the client and inform them of the outcome of the tattoo. Some are honest. What I don’t like is the fact that the veterans don’t fully accept PMU/ SMP/ Paramedical tattoo artists as tattoo artists as well. They just want things to stay the same which is detrimental to the industry and those toxic rhetorics are what’s really killing the business industry, change is necessary . In fact, they used them for learning the skill and once they learn it, they go back to treating them like 💩 and still not considering those group of people tattoo artists because we don’t do artistry tattoos and our services don’t have long sessions which is not true. The face , head and scares are the most sensitive and so it takes mad skills and concentration to do lip blushing, matching skin color, studying the skin types, studying different numbing cream. Learning needle strokes and learning the RLs and Mags( because you just can’t use any needle size.) It’s a form of art we do on our clients and we also act as therapist because the clients that we service are people who endured cancer, disfigurement in their face or anywhere on the body, transgender people. It’s funny though, traditional tattoo artists look down upon us but eventually they become PMU/SMP/Paramedical tattoo artists and that’s been happening A LOT lately due the lack of clients and the shift that’s happening. Once this weird era ends , changes will be made. So, hold on.
Re: Ink Master....wasn't Peck (scrawny, meth-y looking dude) booted from his post as judge because he got handsy with female clients? Wasn't the other guy(kind of a chad, dark hair) also accused of same, but didn't get booted? I was in California for a month after my sister died, and I figured I'd get a tattoo while I was there. The first shop I went to gave me attitude because of what I wanted. This put a bullet through my heart! I ended up not getting a tattoo while I was there, which is something my sister would have wanted me to do.
Peck was booted because of a halloween party he blackfaced as
@@Lucas-gz7sc Ah, ok. Thanks.
@@Lucas-gz7sc he actually did black face about 3 times. Once is already bad enough, but 3? People were just enabling that type of behavior at that point.
@@Maudtattoos dang, it keeps getting worse..
@@Maudtattoos Who cares? People these days are so f****ing weak. Humanity seriously needs a hard reset to get rid of all the bottom feeders and weaklings.
I left the Tattoo industry in 2011 because of how toxic the environment was. We were encouraged to have beef with other studios, other artists, and even clients. It was nuts crazy drama all the time. It makes me sad to think about sometimes because I genuinely liked tattooing. I wonder what kind of artist I would have become if the environment was safer and more accepting of women as artists and clients.
@@fishythom5910 start your own tattoo shop
It’s like they are trying to play characters they saw on tv lol
@@fishythom5910 get back in it. Open a shop.
As a young woc getting my first tattoo, I specifically looked tor a studio run by poc who were focused on inclusivity and creating a safe environment and where I could be tattooed by a woc. It was an amazing experience with lots of accountability for clients and artists to behave with respect. I would never have gotten tattooed if my only option was one of the older studios in my area
Using terms like "woc" or "poc" immediately invalidates anything you have to say.
@@marcusweathers3070 LOL. Okay, buddy. You just proved her point.
Self-awareness rating = zero.
@@zammmerjammer lmao And you missed my point. "POC" and "WOC" have opinions just as valid as anyone else's, but when they make race the primary issue then the opinion becomes invalid, you're a racist at that point, a person who can't see beyond skin color. It's pathetic.
So idk if you realize this, but identifying as a "POC" only wanting to be tattooed by other "POCs" in a "safe environment for POCs" technically makes you a racist, by the very definition of the word. It's 2024 not 1960.
@marcusweathers3070 not at all. It's often relevant. Unfortunately, many tattoo artists never learned how to properly tattoo dark skin, which can lead to scarring, keloids, blow outs, poor contrast, and overworking the skin (because some idiots think that black people have thicker skin and less pain sensitivity than white people). You living in a post-racial fantasy world does not mean that racism or prejudice doesn't exist
And just from a purely artistic perspective, every artist knows that the color of the paper changes the technique and color theory when you are creating art. You don't do the same things on white, gray, brown, and black paper. Why would a tattoo on different shades of skin be different to that idea?
The biggest advice I give anyone who asks about getting their first tattoo is ALWAYS check out the shop. Walk in, look around. Sit and take everything in. Get the vibe for the location. Getting a tattoo for me is more than just throwing some money down. If I don't vibe with the tattooer the tattoo doesn't come out the way I wanted and I have the tattoo to prove it. Thankfully the rest of my art looks amazing and has been done by several different tattooers from around the US including one done at Wooster Street Social Club.
IMO, *becoming a tattoo artist when you're intolerant of people is like becoming a teacher when you hate kids.* I don't care if this is a hot take, but I think that human interaction is an inherent part of tattooing - it's an inalienable part of what makes tattooing what it is, it sets it apart from traditional art. Therefore, it's extremely silly to become a tattoo artist when you can't tolerate, can't even keep PRIVATE, how much you dislike your clients.
I’ve noticed the attitude problem as well. I went to a new artist, who was a women bc I was having a bad experiences with other artists. She was so rude, she literally didn’t say a word to me until it was time to pay up, even when I tried to casually chat she would ignore me. When I booked another appointment with her to finish my arm, she confirmed it and everything. The days comes (I literally had to travel over 2 hours to get to her shop) and she ghosts me. She wasn’t there for the appointment and offered me a reschedule under the same deposit however, I was so over her attitude. I never booked another appointment and I forfeited my $100 deposit.
My only bad experience with an artist was a woman who treated me the same way! (Not the ghosting, but the bad attitude.) I went elsewhere to get it touched up, and it's the only tattoo I am unhappy with (no regrets, it's just not really what I had in mind).
My first piece was done by one of the best artists local to me. I drove two hours to go to him and wanted a replication of a Brian Froud work (Dark Crystal, Labyrinth). It is a beautiful, moody piece titled Wood Woman. He did a great job on the piece, but I could tell he didn't want to do it. He barely talked to me and would just talk about guns and cars - you know - manly-man stuff. Now, I knew his portfolio was largely flames, skulls and snakes, but he has a few really beautiful art pieces so I thought he would appreciate it. On our second session, a guy walked in and asked him what he was working on. He just said, "A faery," and the room went quiet as he kept working. Not only did it feel like he greatly disapproved of the work he was doing, but it felt like his answer was aimed at me directly. I'm a crazy thin guy and have delt with bullies about that my whole life and it was clearly a shot that I got something that could be construed as "feminine" as a man. It really ticked me off and I decided at that moment that I would never get work done by him again. It all worked out though because my wife and I got our next tattoos as a much better studio that didn't have the chips on their shoulder (though it did shut down after the owner got called out for repeated sexual misconduct during the me-too movement, soooooo.....!).
What a horrible experience, my condolences!
Wow, toxic masculinity in the tattoo industry... How shocking. I'm sorry you've had that experience. Sometimes we forget that misogyny has ramifications that also affect men if the man in question doesn't look like that "manly man"'s idea of a "manly man". Don't pay them any attention - they're just insecure losers, all of them.
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I went through two separate toxic apprenticeships before working at home because I was so tired of being treated like an object or a maid. There’s so much sexism in the industry still, though I think it’s getting better. I’m just so glad I’m at a spot now where I’m appreciated and respected.
Thanks for making this video and calling out these people!! I watch your videos often and appreciate you and the points you make 🖤🖤
(Edit) I don’t have issues with cleaning, I never once thought that the actual cleaning was the mistreatment, though when someone asks you to mop 5 times in a row and makes me wait 5 hours when they said they’d be there, I thinks that’s crossing the line? The one thing that shop taught me is that I should know what my boundaries are :)
You got mad because you had to clean? Literally every apprentice gets the same treatment. If you can't do the mundane crappy jobs then you don't deserve the seat.
@@marcusweathers3070having to clean is one thing, being treated with disrespect is another. From an outside perspective this whole tattoo apprentice situation feels like “I was treated like shit so you have to go through the same hell”
@@marcusweathers3070 you don’t know my whole story ! I do believe cleaning is important, it’s more about the fact that they made me mop 5x in a row sometimes ! :)
@@marcusweathers3070 not to mention they threw all my handmade flash away without asking to hang up other art 🤪
Celles voice and vibe are so calming and laidback, her episode’s are like comfort food 👀
Fr her voice is so calming
👀 Why would anyone pay for a problematic artist when there are so many options to choose from.
I went to a shop of an older tattoo artist for an upper arm tattoo in a shop a few male friends went to. The work I'd seen on my friends was in style of what I wanted. The tattoo artist looked at me and thought I'd want a girly tattoo he wouldn't like to do so he sent me through the other tattoo artist who worked in his studio, a much younger tattoo artist than the old codger but I liked his work too. When the the older tattoo artist saw what I actually wanted to get he said "oh, that's actually a very cool tattoo". But even if he had offered to do it, I wouldn't have opted for him. The younger guy also did great work and he wasn't a misogynistic asshole like his boss. I really didn't want to spend about 6 hours with that old guy. I'm still really happy with my tattoo and those 6 hours went by so fast because we chatted the whole time.
My first tattoo artist ever was a woman who clearly thought she was Kat Von D because she dressed and did her hair/makeup like her. She had a terrible attitude, made me uncomfortable the whole time, and one REALLY bad tattoo later I found out she only tattooed there because she was dating the owner. My current tattoo artist is such a fun, silly person who graces me with beautiful art, and we always get lost in conversation when I go! A good tattoo isn't what keeps a person coming back, a good experience is equally important. Unfortunately, for my first tattoo, I had neither 😂
I had an experience similar to that. The last tattoo I got I researched the artist and when I went in to see him he had to cancel because of an emergency w/his kid. The girl at the counter who let me know he was out started complaining about how she was a better artist and could help me and acted offended that I asked for him instead of looking at her work. She even said she had an art degree lol 😂. I let her tattoo a little flower and the whole time she was extremely heavy handed, even caused a blowout. I later found out she was the shop owners GF and acted like she was better than the guys there.
my first tattoo was a butterfly and I got it a few months ago. hearing that they hate it because of how hard line work is and how they are sexist is crazy... not surprised, but damn.
Butterflies are also very popular tattoos, they get considered 'basic' by artists. But unlike a lot of fads they have many potential meanings (these meanings are also generally more applicable to women) and have remained consistently popular. I really doubt the men complaining about them would say the same things about a stereotypical men's tattoo design.
Totally not universal. My tattooer did a butterfly themed flash sheet recently, and fortunately he did prints because I loved it. Folks just have different preferences in what they like to tattoo, some folks are going to like tattooing butterflies, some folks don't, but butterflies have been classic tattoo flash since at least the invention of electric tattooing, and I bet your butterfly is delightful. It's always special in the shop when someone gets their first tattoo.
What was the butterfly for? to distract people from comparing you to Fiona from Shrek? cause it looks like a 1 to 1 situation to me.
(unrelated but I love seeing your cat behind you. so cute!)
Great video (as usual), Celle. I'm a Black female and the tattoos I have were done by male artists that approached their work with professionalism. Honestly, I refuse to give money and space on my skin to anyone that doesn't treat me with the same respect I give them. Sadly, I've visited a few shops where I knew my money wouldn't be spent, just listening to the type of "banter" that was going on.
I also appreciate your comments about tattooing dark(er) skin. My first two tattooers were nice guys, but damn if it didn't feel like they were digging for gold, they were so heavy handed with trying to pack in the ink (that's what I was told they needed to do). One piece has been hypertrophic in different spots for years - fortunately, it didn't keloid and has mostly resolved. That wasn't the case at all with the full sleeve that was finished this year on the opposite arm (Korean artist). That arm healed smooth as silk. The black, gradient shading, and fine lines stand out, and the work is beautiful. It obviously wasn't my skin tone that was the problem, after all. 👀
thank you so much for exposing sexism and racism in the tattoo industry!! It irks me so much to see so many tattoo artists being rude and unnecessarily childish--even downright hateful---towards their clients and future customers. also an advice to anyone who wants a tattoo: choose your tattoo artists carefully and do not be afraid to ask questions regarding their political stance; you are hiring them to paint your body and you deserve to know who they are as a person and what they believe in.
I agree with blaming clients with bad body odor. Just as you brush your teeths before going to te dentist or have to be clean when you go to the doctor or nurse, you are supposed to have a good hygiene if you go to the tattoo salon. It's a sign of respect and self respect. Plus if you have a bad body hygiene, how are you supposed to take care of a tattoo afterwards? So have a shower, put on some fresh and clean clothes and go. But don't male somebody suffers from your smell.
ok but still if u smell and someone has a problem with it then maybe u should get the hint
There are actually people who have a condition that they can't wash away. My friend at school had something called fish odour syndrome and it is a life altering and soul destroying condition. She was so badly bullied, so so e sympathy would be good
@@jennyduncalf5748 ok but can we admit that those cases are relatively rare? Ppl don't need to smell like vanilla or roses but a shower a day won't kill. Just saying. Especially us women who can suffer from inconvenience "down there" and can have an inconvenient smell and discharges .. Even in those cases, you better see an OB-GYN. Some estheticians reported some clients that didn't even wipe properly. Please! Basic hygiene!
@@jennyduncalf5748come the fuck on. Most people do not have this.
@@katie8325 I never said most people I said some people, including my friend at school, there are a lot of medical conditions that can lead to poor hygiene as well, for example pain or severe depression, body odour can be a symptom of something else, I was simply saying that maybe people shouldn't be harshly judged for something that they maybe cannot help
I am almost "graduating" from my tattoo apprenticeship, you've been an inspiration to me and it seems like you're more comfortable in front of the camera. Much love ❤️
These are all offensive except for the body odor one. A little odor could be normal after swear but some ppl are disgusting and dont clean themselves
Agreed 👍
Yeah I do Judo and make sure I don't smell horrible, it should be common curtesy. I do the same thing for any doctor visit or anything that has people coming close encounter with me.
Unfortunately there's a lot of tattooers who think they're Yoda because they work in a tattoo shop. There's a very arrogant air about a large percentage of the tattoo industry. Never catch me giving money to anyone, in any industry who treats their customers like an inconvenience...really ruins the experience.
The making Fun after the person left really troubles me. I never had a bad experience (shout out for the amazing Brazilian artists), but as autistic person i'm always worried about Not looking "normal", and I do worry everytime I walk in a Studio. To have a tattoo to remind you a bad exp really sounds like a curse.
me too!
I absolutely LOVE my tattoo artist. I can't sing his praise enough. He's super sweet, extremely talented, and has the best manners. He was so patient through the process of helping design my tattoos, taking all of my feedback, and even made an exception to do a color tattoo for me (he specializes in black and white, fine-line, realism and has only done one other color piece) which he absolutely knocked out of the park. I could not be more in love with the pieces. I wish everyone could get tattoos from him!
In my experience a lot of artists I've spoken to seem to be guarded beyond the typical polite introductions. They tend to think everyone wants a tattoo for nothing or that every client has no knowledge of how tattoos/tattooing works so they have very little patience when it comes to meeting a new client. I also know for a fact that sometimes, depending on the area, some artists get sick of doing the same type of tattoos over and over again so can come across more aggressive than they typically would. Makes me happy I've found an artist who i get on with now and can be on the same page with ideas, it makes things much less stressful and it's nice to have a personal intimate experience where there is mutual respect.
Theres a reason i only get tattooed by women/non-binary artists. Men in the industry can be so terrifying, especially as im on the younger + heavier side
Just from a business perspective, being rude to a client makes zero sense because if the client has a bad experience, they won't come back to you/your studio again. Having repeat customers who trust you is a great thing!
Laser Tech here! Women go to another woman for your tattoo or you may have to get it lasered off. That's the majority of my business. Male artists make the tattoos too dark and big. They don't have the same vision you have.
Not necessarily true you can have tattoo artists of either gender do a good or bad tattoo.
This is why I look specifically for tattoo studios that are run by lgbtqia+ artists after a few bad experiences with tattoo artists
Same.
I did the same but with younger women of color. People who have experienced the same struggles with you are just easier to feel safe with.
My last handful of tattoos have all been done by lgbt artists and they were hands down my best tattoo experiences (not to mention amazing artwork)
Not tattoos but I got my piercing jewelry changed yesterday at a queer owned studio and it was a great experience
The rainbow mafia isn't any better news flash.
I’m male with a bit of social anxiety, and I find it extremely hard to get into being an artist due to the behaviours that are so common in the industry.
I wish I could find a female boss/mentor/teacher to work under :(
Was in a tattoo shop getting work from an excellent and very respectful artist and once heard the shop owner have a roid rage fit and threaten violence against other employees. Another time, heard the same owner talk shit about several other clients. I left a google review sharing what I experienced - gave credit to the artist and explained details about the owner’s fits of rage. He must’ve looked up my contact info from paperwork bc he called my personal cell and left a 5min long voicemail threatening me. Good times
2:25 thank you for saying this out loud! I've seen so many of these men (especially traditional tattoo artists) justifying their hate by saying fineline and dainty tattoos age poorly, but have you seen the mess traditional tattoos can turn into when not well executed?? Indistinguishable blobs! Just admit that you don't possess the skills required to pull off such intricate work and move on
👀 Great video. Way back in the 90's, I first started getting tattooed (as a younger woman). Every shop I went to was male dominated and reeking of attitude. I agree with another comment here that now we are just seeing the attitude and problematic behavior because of social media. I've moved overseas and got very lucky finding a wonderful, male artist. Thanks for your great videos. I also love seeing your cat (Olive?) in the background! 🙌🏽 ❤
I had a large stomach tattoo started by one artist but after the line work I knew I could never go back to him. This was a very traditional shop and he ended up making me so uncomfortable. He and the artist in the station next to him were making really horrible homophobic jokes and talking shit about clients. Also he was telling me what turned him on while tattooing me with his arms all over my torso! Plus at the end he said to my partner, who had been there to hold me hand, “thanks for being cool about me touching your chick”
It was HORRIBLE and such a painful experience
4 years later I finally found an artist that I was comfortable with and was down to work on another artist piece to get my tattoo finished!! And it was SIGNIFICANTLY less painful
Clients should wash. And shave. If you have the money to get a tattoo, you have the money to shave and wash. Absolutely no excuse not to.
As a tattoo artist I actually prefer to shave my client myself. When people shave from home, they sometimes ruin the skin texture for tattooing.
i’ve been told not to shave 😭😭😭
My artist literally told me NOT to shave so they could do it and ensure there's no cuts or razor burn that could cause problems
Just let the artist shave you. If you do it hours before it can cause irritation, bumps and the hair can even start growing back
Lol, your cats position at 7:53 made me lose it. Obviously kitty has had a tough day at the office and is sick of it all.
So upsetting to see how many tattoo artists are straight up rude to their clients. I've gotten six tattoos so far and I've had a great experience with all of my artists thankfully, the only time I've felt uncomfortable is when I went to a tattoo studio in Brooklyn and said hi to the owner and she didn't respond to me. At first I thought she hadn't heard me/didn't see me (which didn't really make sense because I was standing right in front of her), but she also refused to acknowledge me when she literally walked up to my artist as she was tattooing me. I was pretty disappointed because I had actually planned on getting tattooed by the owner as well, but my actual artist was very lovely and I can't wait to go back to her. There are a few other artists I've never been to that I plan on getting work done from eventually and hopefully I continue to have positive experiences.
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Also I recently found an all women tattoo shop in my city the whole store is pink and they offer beauty services as well! I don’t think all men tattoo artists are mean but im glad there’s a space to go to if I didn’t feel comfortable 💅🏼
Every one of those artists you showed when they first started interviewing the problematic tattoo artist every single one of those guys was a nobody hack, and that explains the anger... the fact that they're offended by basic simple tattoo designs is because that's all anybody ever asked them to do because no one trusts them to do anything other than that because their skills are not up to the level where they would get asked to do bigger pieces... 3rd and most important in anything you do in life if you don't enjoy your job quit and go do what it is you believe you should be doing don't put yourself through standing there dealing with people every single day you don't like or agree with and Performing designs that have your name attached to them that you don't stand behind just get out of the damn industry and make it a much more pleasant place for everyone else who does enjoy it and wants to be there... and lastly your channel rocks❤❤
the post about the client’s body is still up b|c body shaming + fatphobia are still pretty acceptable. i wouldn’t be surprised if most of the comments are laughing, joining in on the BS//fatphobia,etc. + very surprised if there are a good number of people calling him out for the blatant disrespect + misogyny.
Okay "Stud Madams" Anyway 🙄😴 - Fatphobia isn't even a thing if your fat your fat no if ands or buts and its time people stop living in delulu land anyway and go back to being how humans were suppsoed to be which is under 300 pounds
I took me a lot of courage to walk into a tattoo studio. And my mum went with me to the first appointment. They loved it and were surprised that my mum supported my decision to get a tattoo. I only go to this studio now and I am more relaxed now.
Thank you for making this, I get so nervous picking tattoo artists and sharing my tattoo ideas so I tend to go to the same ones. Someone talking about me like that would put me right off getting any more
If you ever do a video about Black people and tattooing, please please please send a call out before hand. I have a photo realistic color ocean tattoo and it’s crazy awesome and it goes straight up against what most people think Black people can and can’t get and I feel like it should be shown up to know the range our skin tone can do when tattooing
It’s true, artists need to check themselves. I’ve had my full chest done 11 years ago. Great experience. Had 2 new sessions recently this year for some smaller work done on my wrists and forearm, and out of the 2 different shops/artists, 1 of them was a complete ass about the smaller work for some reason, and the other was very respectful and overall provided a great experience- in which I WILL definitely be retuning to him specifically for all future work. THATS how you KEEP customers 💁🏽♂️
Side note: all 3 of my artists in my lifetime were male
The guy complaining about a "fake tattoo" is way out of pocket. That's literally somebody trying to cover the fact that they can't do good linework
I haven’t gotten many tattoos (expensive!) but I’ve got experience on the piercing side of the shops. Stepping into most shops is like stepping into the personal space of a clique. Idk how else to describe the vibes in shops besides “cliquey.” Like, I’ll receive customer service, but most of the times it felt like I was an inanimate object. They’d be talking to each other while prepping me or working on me or whatever. It’s like they tuned out my existence. Sure, I got the customer service I needed/required, but I leave feeling like I’m the stuff on the conveyer belt the cashiers scan and pass on. It’s usually a cold experience for something I’m making myself vulnerable for.
I purchased my own tattoo gun and ink, and I’ve got my own piercing needles now. So if I can do it myself, I will. I would only go back to a professional if it was above my dabble-level skill. It’s a shame, because I really want to enjoy going to professionals.
i’ve had only ever had two separate tattoo artists, one was a young woman, one was an older man. i myself am a young woman. both of my tattoos artists were extremely talented, were very open and welcome when i approached them with my ideas, and despite having a skin condition (they each knew about this) my tattoos look perfect to this day. i will say though, my male tattoo artist is way more personable! he works at the shop right beside where my ex-fiancé worked, so we used to talk about him when we were together, and my artist wouldnt hesitate to joke around and keep things very light. was also my first big leg tat so he was very encouraging throughout the whole thing. my female artist largely doesnt talk during appointments, but she’s very very sweet when she does!
Thanks for being a good person, the world needs more compassion for real. A lot of people already feel bad enough about themselves. I would love to get my first tattoo, at 31 years old, but I have bad anxiety and I do fear "inconveniencing" anyone with my "stupid" questions or being made fun of for a basic tattoo design. I wouldn't even like my tattoo if a horrible experience got tied to it. It would bring back bad emotions. I wouldn't expect anyone to be overly nice or anything, I just wouldn't want to be made fun of. We're all just trying to survive in this world.
With that being said I'm sure a lot of tattoo artists are great people and I equally have a chance of having a very good experience. ❤
You sound so much like me! I’m one year older than you but I catch myself watching those “what’s your least favorite thing to tattoo” and “what’s your least favorite type of client” videos just… to see if something about me is going to be deemed “wrong” or bad when and if I go to get my first! Glad to know these attitudes aren’t always standard, and that other people and especially other ARTISTS see it as, well, shitty! Because it is. Truly a nightmare scenario to think of myself being made fun of like this to the shop’s social media followers/coworkers/future clients.
Anxiety sufferers unite, hope we’ll both end up with the tattoos we want done by artists who are respectful and kind!!
Man, seeing videos like this once again makes me so grateful that I've been fortunate enough to have gone to artists who are very kind and respectful. I've never felt uncomfortable at any studio I've been to so I've gotten very lucky in that regard. And by the way, the infinity symbol is also the symbol for neurodivergence, so screw that artist who hates doing them.
My first three tattoos were from the same guy, he was great. Fourth was a woman just out of her apprenticeship, she was wonderful - took her awhile, but she herself was wonderful and had a MUCH better hand that made me realize how heavy a hand my first guy had. Fifth tattoo was with a new guy. He was dismissive, slow, selfish. Awful. I have not gone back to him. I like but don't love the tattoo I had really planned for. Sixth, seventh, and ninth with a woman I adore and will probably be my permanent tattoo artist as long as she's working - she's efficient and attentive and she's done all my tattoos (a palm size calf piece and two half sleeves) on a convention floor). My eighth tattoo was done by a man who sold himself as being responsible. He showed up late, did not have the tattoo ready, said he could do my other tattoos (one of my FAVORITE tattoos) better and faster, directly said one of my tattoos was awful, told me his tattoo would never need touching up while he was doing it.... And we were alone in the studio. Just SO many red flags. I should have called it off. I'd wanted this piece for YEARS and it is not what I want. My lady is going to help me patch it up at some point but the only man who treated me somewhat well was the first guy, and I've come to realize that's only because I had no one to compare him too. Now I realize he was also pretty dismissive... But at least he made good tattoos, unlike the other two guys. Ffs. I don't know that I've sworn off going to dudes, since the woman I see has one working for her ... I trust her so I might see him for example, but God am I going to be WAY more discriminating in the future.
That stat about women being tattooed more than men is interesting. Lots of the women in my office are. I'd say half of us at least.
an artist i went to had a whole meeting with the apprentice while tattooing me?? like talking about who hadnt paid rent yet, what supplies needed ordering, etc and she kept leaning back and gesturing with her hands?? so she kept pausing tattooing. She even said i was her only client that day so i have no idea why she couldnt have had that meeting any other time??? it was so strange
It sounds like she was simply disrespectful and rude, to me!
I’ll never forget when I was waiting for my tattoo to be drawn up and a group of guys one that was an artist asked if I was a stripper if I could hangout later. I was just a little emo girl and luckily my mom was there and said she’s only 19 go away.
The "you are working intimately with bodies, why did you choose this profession" comment makes me think of all the manual therapists i went to uni with that didnt want to touch people... like.... thats your whole job!!
I make a point to really only go to LGBTQ artists/shops who foster and promote diversity -- i have never felt uncomfortable or judged and those spaces make what can be a very stressful situation much more fun.
I agree ❤
There's a specific place called Peach Tattoo in Duluth, MN that I want to go to when I get my first tattoo. All of their artists are fem/nonbinary people, and the place focuses on being inclusive. I'm going for the safest option when getting my first tattoo, I'm not even willing to take my chances elsewhere. Maybe when I have more knowledge and confidence about getting tattoos I'll explore other places, but for a first timer, nope. 👀
Thanks for this. I’d have to make a whole trip specifically to go there but I googled them and IMMEDIATELY felt relaxed seeing the artist profiles, accessibility info, and looking at the flash designs had me wanting a ton more tattoos than I ever planned on! They look awesome, I’d absolutely take a flight out there… given the time and money, that is. Love the nonbinary rep in that artist lineup, too. 🥰
Well said! I don't have any tattoos but I am interested in the artistry behind them. These people do not deserve to be called artists. I love your channel.❤👀
I have super white skin and I take really good care of it, so it’s soft and stretchy. I also bleed very little, so I often get compliments from tattooers saying “you have the perfect skin for tattoos”. I feel flattered of course but I always end up thinking what it would be if my skin was the exact same but a different colour. It’s so unfair to turn down dark skinned clients just because of their colour. I feel like the problem it’s not their skin, it’s the people tattooing that can’t be bothered to learn how to tattoo on a base that’s not white
Looking forward to this video as I really do think mean artists online put off so clients from getting tattoos these days
Butterflies have been a symbol of helping me with my self harm urges. Butterflies are commonly associated with either SH or death. I love femmine tattoos and i'd rather tattoo myself than deal with ego driven tattooistfor my first tattoo if and when i get one. Also as for the coffee thing i know most baristas hate making my fave drink with are frapps but they never say it to my face which i appreciate.
I got the worst treatment in a "safe place, all inclusive.. etc" tattoo studio.. I am a tattoo artist myself and went there because of a guesting artist.. I never returned because my gf and me got looked at as if we were aliens, staff was very unfriendly..
Other studios were always nice 👌🏻
For 'inclusive' spaces I would always try ones where the owner/artists is part of whatever demographic you're looking for, or if it's the main part of their marketing. For example spas and hair studios will often put that on their site but they actually do not make any effort.
I have a friend who is a tattoo artist. She's great, and funny and always keeps learning more. She treats her clients as if she were signing a HIPPA form. The experience is private. She did say she has trouble with some people that aren't properly hydrated, or they don't have good hygiene. She's actually told clients that they may want to go consult a doctor because of hygiene related issues. She has a list of behavioral and hygiene related points to be observed and it's for the safety of the client and for a good experience maintaining the work they paid for. I've seen infected tattoos, it's unpleasant and always a bad time for everyone. She has a posted list of what you can expect from her tattoo artists and herself. And you get these with any forms you sign. It's a good sign to see that the shop has standards for the actions and behavior of its employees posted and in open view. She's making it by in a smaller town in Iowa, and is always respected.
I got so lucky with my artist. We have a goofy fun relationship in a client and friend sense 👀
some artists beefs are fair like that person who wants their first tattoo to be both tiny and contain all of the information of the earth on it.
I love my butterfly tattoo. It’s my favorite tattoo. Butterflies are so beautiful.
My artist was a German guy and he’s done Several of my tattoos. He became my drinking buddy afterwards.
It's a basic human decency and courtesy to be clean/washed before you expect a professional to perform a treatment or procedure on you. If I go to the dentist, I brush my teeth first so they don't have to deal with the remains of my tuna lunch! So the same applies for other body parts (but not necessarily the tuna bit...). The rest I agree with, tattooing does 100% include customer service, and you should be polite and courteous to your customer (assuming they aren't being aggressive or threatening to you!) but customers should also be polite and courteous to their server.
Your hypothesis is 150% correct. I'll never get a tattoo from someone who portrays these types of disrespectful behaviors towards their clients.
I agree with the points on making fun of people’s bodies and being mean - but hard disagree on it being a problem that artists don’t want to tattoo certain things. It’s also not accurate to say, in any other industry. In photography, it’s similar to- I hate headshots. I don’t want to do them, and I don’t do them. That doesn’t speak on my technical ability. I’ve also worked with artists who’ve been transparent about line work or other skills, and I just wouldn’t go to them for those things. It’s not limited to the arts. Lawyers also take on what they do want to do. They may just tell you, I am full. Therapists do similar things too.
Absolutely. But like, when you turn down headshots, I doubt you tell the person how boring headshots are and how basic they are for wanting to get them, or turn around and complain about someone asking you to take headshots for them. Or like, lawyers don't go "a living will? That's it?? Ugh, guess I'm not doing any REAL contracts today." That's the part that would be seen as crazy in other industries. It's the treatment of the prospective client that's the problem, not the specialist's freedom to choose their projects.
@@theworstliz I actually do think some lawyers would do that, no regrets. Haha. I don’t disagree with you, but I also think it’s fine for some of those artists to say in videos that they don’t like certain tattoos at conventions. Generally, I agreed with all the points. That was my micro-gripe.
In a lot of ways I agree but what I will say, I don’t think there is anything wrong with saying no to small linework tattoos, you need to follow your highest excitement to keep making quality tattoos every day for years.
If you don’t want to do them, turn them away sure, even inform them that what they want is a trend (similar to kanji in the 90s) but don’t belittle someone and make them feel like shit for wanting it.
I get tattooed by two people a male and female. I have to say they are both amazing but my male artist is the best male I’ve ever been tattooed by. He’s so kind and gentle.
Gen x here and been getting tattooed since the early '90s and tattoo artists have always thought they were rockstars even before tattoo TV shows and the internet
Sorry Celle, but you lost me at the body odor part.
As a client I also think it's a HUGE red flag not maintaining body higiene, it's no a tattoer thing