How to Choose Seed Varieties
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- čas přidán 18. 01. 2023
- Choosing specific seed varieties to grow can be a bit challenging. Gardener Scott shows how he chooses seed varieties to grow in the garden. (Video #419)
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Many people have a hate on for hybrid seeds but in some challenging climates having a hybrid seed is a huge advantage to getting a crop to a successful harvest
DM is a real problem where we are.. We just will not get any cucumbers here, unless we grow a cucumber with DM and PM resistance such as Little Leaf. What I like about growing these, is that they can be grown organically... Tried heirlooms without success...
@@emmalavenham thanks, haven’t had much joy with cucumbers so will give your suggestion a try. Very grateful for the advice 🙏🏻
I used to think like that til i realised literally all of pur food crops are hybrid 1000 times over. Corn was a grass the natives bred to corn etc etc. We arent outside observers of nature.
I'm all about organic, it's not easy but it's easy once you do after awhile and more rewarding.
good luck everyone and let the preseason begin!! 😀
Exactly, hybrids r just 2 different varieties of say tomatoes that r crossed. Nature does it all the time
Great reminder that paper catalogues, while very pretty and fun to page through, don't always have everything!
yes but 1000x more fun than a web page
This year I'm gonna concentrate on salad veg and forgo trying to plant everything. Giving up growing stuff I don't even like and friend doesn't bother comibg to pick what she claims to want. This year gardening gonna be all about me!!!
I submitted my first Bakercreek order last night, so excited (seems they're hooking me up with some freebies as well)!
Doing the same here tonight with Bakers Creek.
Fye, they're really nice people to chat with if call in your order
I got my small Baker Creek order yesterday. My freebie was a itty bitty tomato called spoon. Just when I thought I had all my cherries figured out they went and threw in a wrench in my plan. Should be interesting.
I might suggest that the first step be deciding what qualities of the food you want to grow...do I like cherry tomatoes and eat them all the time or do I want to can tomato sauce. And with peppers...what kind does my family eat? Looking at that and then looking at the varieties gives you a solid foundation.
IF you like okra and your weather allows, Jing Okra was a SUPERSTAR for us in 2022 in Dallas, TX zone 8A.
Planning the garden again in Virginia zone 7A...always fun and a little stressful. We have staple crops that we grow every year. We just rotate them into a different raised bed every year. I plan on increasing the herb garden as my wife loves having them fresh and dehydrating. I'll be adding a paste tomato to the mix, probably the Burpee Super Sauce hybrid. Hard to believe it's already time for me to start onion seeds inside. Keep On Growing!
Hi, former Virginia gal here. I grew lots of tomato varieties there. I lived near Waynesboro. One of my best and favorite tomatoes was Pineapple. Sadly not in Texas. Check out Tomato Growers or Totally Tomatoes for some of the best varieties. I tried the Burpee Super sauce, didn't do well. Trying Amish paste this year.
Barry's crazy cherry is a great addition.
For cucumbers we like Diva and Beit Alpha. I am trying others, but like the parthenocerpic varieties.
The best advice is to go with things that grow well in your area in your friends’ garden, pick something that you want to grow and have not yet, or an All American Selections winner.
Its a little bit more involved than some people want to be, but I maintain an excel spreadsheet with my garden bed layout and the varieties I grow each year. Between the tabs for each year I keep a list of what I grew prior and what I have heard recommendations for. CZcams is full of great content of people who are have tried dozens of varieties over dozens of growing seasons; use their experience.
Also because its in excel I can even do calculations on cost per seed or keep notes on what happened each growing season. For instance, I have several batches of Poblano seeds, but the ones I started last winter didn't sprout, and I only know that because I wrote it down. So now when planning for this year I know that that batch of seeds has something wrong with it and I can either reorder or go back to a previous year's batch of seed.
I have a spreadsheet and online maps - great tools
Another source of tomato seeds (I look for hanging basket since I'm a container/deck) is Reimer's. They have a lot of those types.
Oh Thornburn is great and Barry's crazy cherry. We also enjoyed Brad's Atomic grape. I have so many seeds just trying to make a list and plan. I have been throwing out seed catalogs this year because I will buy more. Trying to use old before restocking.
Grew the Brad's Atomic, very good!!
Glad to hear atomic grape is good as I’m trying that this year. Looking for a grape tomato as I heard they tend not to split after rain. Sweet 100s, etc are notorious for splitting.
@dustyflats3832 I don't remember seeing them crack after it rains.
Tomatoes crack from to much rain , I always water my fruit at the base and use organic fertilizer to make the plant stronger so they don't crack, my black krim had some.
You should try the Pink bumble bee, it's a cherry tomatoe and it's my new favorite and they don't crack and they were my 1st tomatoes to bare fruit and they just took off!!!
Good luck friend!
Brad
Last year my pepper plants developed some sort of disease/fungus, and I didn't get many peppers. Not sure what happened, but since theyvwere mostly heirloom seeds, I'm going to gonwotj all hybrid peppers this year. I usually grow enough peppers to use all fall and winter, so I want to try to make sure I don't haveva loss again this year.
I'm 6a mid Ohio and I'm 71 and know my garden might not last forever as I age and I'm looking harder at my choices. That Thornbury Terracotta and Black Krim are different in favorite use. On bacon and beef burgers the black krim.
If you do try Terracotta and Bakers Creek is where I got my start and Terracotta is the only slicer that I tried to eat whole and did...I actually have eat 3 and I go WOW! Also had Terracotta on a steak burger that was overcooked....but my wife was trying first bite with Brandywine ( her favorite )on her burger and saying it's dry and overcooked then I tested Terracotta and truly thought she had the wrong tomatoe as mine with Terracotta was one of the juiciest steak burgers I've eat.
Both Terracotta and Black Krim will produce the same week and provides a season of tomatoe
Thanks for teaching us
For the Jimmy Nardello you could put it in the greenhouse. That way it will have a week or two on each end of the season.
Very informative video. Your information is excellent.Since I have really gotten into canning last season I now have changed the focus of what varieties to grow this year.
Wow, you have a lot of seeds.
You need to teach us some good seed organisation techniques :D
czcams.com/video/JLpEUzp0BQE/video.html&ab_channel=GardenerScott
Notes and more notes as well. I almost used the same cucumbers this year but they didn’t produce all that great and had alot of pest pressure. Once I thought back I ordered me some different seeds
Production last year on the Thorburn's Terracotta wasn't impressive but the taste was good. And the Jimmy Nardello Sweet? Love it! So pretty on the plant in the fall and a great frying pepper. I pick my seeds in large part by what I want to cook!
Yes Jimmy is sweet, perfect for frying and very productive.
I have those Terracotta seeds , I've decided not to grow them after reading reviews
Soy!!! The only soy that should be ingested is fermented soy. Everything else was great though. Your vid's are very informative. I love finding unique varieties that look promising in my area but the only way to know is try them. I'm gonna try both jimmy Nardello's and the Terra-Cotta. Many tanks :)
Lol, I thought I was done, but it wasn’t my notes or seed cache that tripped a seed purchase, it was eating snow peas I froze and choking on strings!😂. Quick, ADD STRINGLESS before I hit send😂. Found a completely stringless snap pea as well. I hope they are stringless as I believe they are heirloom and will definitely save seed. Edit, not heirloom, oh well.
I’m aiming at finding those best varieties of what we truly like and that are prolific and preserve well. I never use to pay much attention until prices seem to be out of hand and the thought of weather disasters wiping out crops. I have several tomatoes to try, especially looking for a paste that has flavor. The San Marzanos were a no go, Alpaca were definitely meaty and super paste ok. They just didn’t have that summer smell when I opened the jars this winter. I used slicers in 21 and those were great. Looking for a grape tomato for less splitting. Trying atomic and some di Rossi something or another.
The shipping is what stops me from ordering from most companies as the seeds are pricey enough and I can’t see adding more cost. So what I did was visited an upscale garden shop and from the knowledge I gained from catalogs triggered my memory once there and they carried: Seed Saver, Baker Creek, Burpee, Botanical Interest, Renee’s and the latter two have wonderful artwork on seed packets that I will frame some.
It’s unbelievable, but I’m still looking for a couple and may just have to send for them, maybe.😉
Jimmy Nardellos are on pg. 63 of baker creek’s catalog
Interesting recommendations from other gardeners. I got a free packet of Thorburn Terracotta from Baker Creek and was pleasantly surprised how good it tasted.
I think you saved me a few hours. Thank you. Honey boat delicate's are great (Colorado zone 5). You can eat the skin as well
I concur re: the Honeyboats. I still have one down in my root cellar.
I saw you when I was checking my last frost date and one if your viedos were on site I looked at.
Hey, Gardener Scott, this week I sent out letters to a small batch of my neighbors to see if anyone wanted to form a neighborhood garden club/community. Someone just emailed me! It looks like this idea might get off the ground. I’m wondering if you have any ideas/advice for do’s and don’t’s of this enterprise. I wanted to start something up because I couldn’t find much by way of local gardening community in my area, even through the master gardeners. Appreciate in advance any thoughts you have to offer!
I like that idea and am glad you got a response. A supportive organization with coaching and friendship works. Sharing seeds and stories is good. Try to avoid criticism and competition.
I think it would be great to get with several friends. For each company that has shipping free for 100, 150 dollars. We have one person order. Also, sone companies have a buy multiple packets, or bulk seeds for less. A group could benefit from that.
Very good! We tried growing quinoa last year. We found one factor in the high altitude desert of Arizona is WIND. We are going to try the Andean mountain varieties instead of equatorial coastal varieties, and are talking to breeders who have shorter varieties.
Totally recommend the Jimmy Nardello. I"ve been growing it for a while now, and it is prolific and healthy. I also freeze the surplus for the winter. I found your process of choosing seeds very helpful as I have a tendency to chaos.
i grew the horned melon one year and never again it grows huge and never ever stops producing.
This is very helpful. There are times when you have to go online to get a specific item that may not be available in a regular catalogue, or a store. Cheers, Scott! ✌️
I'll second sweet/Jimmy nardello peppers
Size is another consideration. I'd like to grow Kellogg's Breakfast and Brandywine Tomatoes, but the plants get too tall for what I can manage. I find that the Classic Beef Steak's 6-8ft in height is the maximum height I can handle, so I look for determinates, semi-determinants, and heirlooms within the height limitations I can work with. Also, I found out the hard way that peppers of varying height don't grow well together. The taller plants with more aggressive growth drown out the smaller plants. This year I will be planting the varieties I had trouble with last year in a GreenStalk tower to better manage their space, separating the smaller, slower growing plants from the larger, faster growing plants.
There r bush varieties of beefsteak tomatoes that do quite well. Bush Goliath is fantastic for early big tomatoes
'Rather than randomly choose seeds because they look pretty' I had to laugh a bit, as I am guilty of this. I have succumbed to more tomato varieties than I need because they are pretty during middle of the night seed shopping. Tho I do admit I've never purchased something completely inappropriate for the Front Range. Yes, to a spreadsheet and maps, plans, and recommendations. But I've also done the 'hey, this looks cool' impulse buys with success as well.
What do you do with the seeds you don't use? How long can you keep seeds before they're no good?
I save them for later or give them away. Here's my video on how long seeds last: czcams.com/video/vfwtBI4-gcE/video.html
Love your videos, soothing voice, great info always! Have you found the Terracotta Tomatoes? I think they are called Thorburn's Terracotta, hope that helps. 😊 ooops! I commented too soon! lol
I found it at Baker Creek. Thanks!
Sorry if this sounds bigoted but...Do Jimmy Nardello peppers sound like the pepper that would bully all the other peppers and set up a pepper protection racket in your garden? 😂
I do lean on catalogs a lot (like Johnny's and Territorial), but I do find that they can fall short, particularly in regards to winter squash. How long will the vines be? Will these squash successfully grow vertically? I just cannot always find that info, and even when I can find it, it is not always accurate. That is why I am trying bush this year - more predictable
For me the bush squash like acorn were not very productive. Bush green beans were terrific over pole beans for taste and productivity. Another observation is the Japanese Beetles didn’t bother bush beans, but poles are always loaded with them.
It is annoying when all data isn’t listed. I notice Burpee doesn’t list growing conditions for plants, just sun.
@@dustyflats3832 Thank you for letting me know. My plan is to try growing what I know grows well here on a taller pea trellis - including honey nut - while trying the bush - burpees butter bush and golden nugget. We will see. Hoping for something as good as LI cheese but in a much smaller package
Only heirloom and non gmo seeds Re produce seeds you can use the Next year. Be aware and also know “companion” planting and “about insects” good & bad (ahead of time; neem oil and such); are Big Savors etc etc (by the time u need too know); it can be late.
With the growing season length and days to maturity - is that number based on days from seed in the ground to fruit, or is it based on germination, or something else?
It is usually based on when the plant is actively growing in the ground, with the first true leaves. Germination is extra time not accounted for.
Have you tried Jericho Lettuce? Very good for high altitude desert.
I haven't. I'll look into it.
On your recommendation, I grew shishitos last year and they did well. But I couldn't eat all of them fresh. Any suggestions for using them from frozen?
I haven't done it, but searing in a hot skillet after thawing can work. Consider pickling them too.
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sir if you can wait 70 days for a pepper to grow then why not wait just ten more days for the other?
Because of my short season. Ten days can make a difference if an early frost hits.
@@GardenerScott gottcha i dint look at it that way but makes sence.