Nice video! One suggestion which may come in handy; if conditions are very rough and the boat is heeling and pitching, you can easily halve the length of the line from your harness by simply passing a loop around the jackline and fastening the clip back onto your harness attachment point, giving you a line of about 3 feet rather than 6, so if you fall you won't go over the side but you can still stand up and move around. Fair winds!
yes, I thought about that one day and came up with that little set up to prevent that. I may make it all a little better by mounting a cleat or eyebolt near the bowline location then I can just attach the jack line there and not have to do the bowline thing, but for now this set up works at least. :)
I messaged you on Facebook the other day and told you about my Cal 36. I finally figured out how to post comments. I use an ipad and it wasn't letting me connect to the full CZcams site. Jacklines are standard safety gear and I can't believe how few boats in my area use them if racing rules don't make them. You're right, each boat is unique and jacklines can be rigged many ways. It's just important to have them and use them. We haven't rigged them on the Cal yet but we never went to open water in our Catalina 27 without them rigged. Keep up the good videos. Mike
Hey Mike! Glad you got the CZcams thing figured out! I find that my iPad makes site access more limited as well. The nice thing for you is that you can rig the jack lines up how you want to on the Cal 36 since you don't already have that set up. :) You'll have to send me a few pics of the Cal 36 on by the messaging on the FB Page! Would love to see her! :)
Those are some excellent ideas and tips for sure. Especially the flat jack-line. I will be rigging my boat the sane come next season. Thanks for sharing!
Glad you enjoyed it justice tek! The strapping was purchased at the Mountain Equipment Co-op and it is climbing strapping. I figured if it is good enough for climbers and the loads they need to handle then it would be good enough for jack lines. :)
Yes that would be pretty difficult to get back on board being that far behind the boat is what I figure. Maybe at some point I will set up an eye bolt or cleat near the location that I make the bowline and the I can just attach the jack line to that point, but for now this set up works at least. :)
Great tips! Awesome video, Alfy! I've hear some say that the jack lines should be run outside of the shrouds. I think your way makes more sense. Especially in a boat like mine with a low freeboard :) I'll run mine on the inside of the shrouds next season.
Thanks Mads! There are so many ways to set up jack lines and I think the main thing is to set the up in a way that makes you the most comfortable and safe! :) I do prefer to be closer the the middle of the boat when walking on deck of sure! :)
I'm not an experienced cruiser but I think a scenario where you are outside of the lifelines and have to pull yourself back onto the boat is already a losing proposition. Seems more logical that a harness and jacklines should keep you ON the boat. It struck me that your line did not have enough tension, your tether was too long, and the lines could be more mid-boat. Enjoying your videos, thanks!
JohnKearney I agree that not going overboard is the best scenario for sure. It can be difficult to find the best set up for having lines down the centre of the boat when the dodger is on. It certainly could be done when the dodger is off. I can always loop my harness lanyard around the jackline and attach it back to my harness to make that length half. Glad you are enjoying the videos! :)
First time I saw a "preventer" rigged on a jackline. Good idea. Going to do it that way from now on! With an aft ladder and some sort of painter, you might be able to rig a way back on the boat. Keeping in mind Murphy's law which puts you over the side at night, in very cold water, high seas and wind. (Why else would you be on deck but to be fixing something you have to have because of the conditions!) What I have never seen is someone trying to get back on board being drug through the water at 4+ knots. Any stories out there? Sounds like a good experiment (on a very warm and sunny day). I have visions of a boat washing ashore dragging the remains of a sailor hooked to a jackline.
I guess the best scenario is having a set up that doesn't allow you to go over at all. :) I have often thought of how difficult it would be to get back aboard while being dragged through the water....something I hope I would only experience in a 'training' type scenario! And yes in warm water on a sunny day! :)
Thank you for your video and for showing how to properly rig those jacklines. Next time I will make sure to properly adjust them to avoid slipping all the way past the transom.
Well there are so many ways to do these set ups and this way works for me and my boat for sure! :) Anything you can do to make it easier to stay on board or get back on board it the goal. :)
Here is my 2 cents. 1 it doesn't appear that you have enough slack to reach around the stern of the boat and get to the swim ladder. 2 Do you have a sugar scoop transom or a swim step. 3 do you have a way of deploying you swim step from in the water. Some friends and I went out 1 day and tried a man overboard drill. I's 100% harder than you think to reboard a vessel while it's stopped and 1000% harder when the vessel is moving. Then add a very rough sea and waves and 1000000000%. I personal like to anchor the jacklines in a few points along length on the haul. Last but not least you should have 2 clip lines so if you have to switch to the other side or from point to point you will never be disconnected from the vessel. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Simple solution for long lifelines! Though you really should use a shorter lifeline.. There's no way you can climb back aboard when the boat is moving and you're in your foul weather gear. I usually run with 2 lines; - a short one that is too short to go overboard, used for traveling along the deck. - a longer one that I can clip to the mast or at least the center of the boat. Same rule applies; it's too short to go overboard. Always have at least one clipped on! I use this one, together with a lifeline cutter for cases like TheWoodmite described ;) www.spinlock.co.uk/uploads/files/112013/527d5acb0d1c48c1690018b2/product/1792-DW-STR_3L.jpg?1387407598 Really enjoy watching your videos, keep 'em coming!
+1 for the short line. The water flow and the round hull shape are very efficient at sucking any object down, sailors included. So make sure you'd stay above that treacherous area if something goes wrong. ;-)
Great video! Thank you for posting. We have bungee-type lifelines; I highly recommend them as they could save you from a jolt injury if you do go over.
On my last boat I rigged mine up down the center of the boat so that I could'nt be thrown over the side. that way you don't have to climb back on board. this one having more trouble figuring it out because of the dodger and hatch cover.
ANYTHING THAT DOES NOT PREVENT YOU FROM LEANING OVER THE LIFELINES IS INADEQUATE. IF YOU GO OVER THE RAILS, YOU WILL BE DRAGGED BY THE BOAT, AND UNABLE TO PULL. YOURSELF ON BOARD, AND MAY LIKELY DROWN. THE JACKLINE SHOULD BE TAUGHT AND RUN DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE BOAT. THE LINE TO YOUR HARNESS SHOULD BE MUCH SHORTER.
Nice video! One suggestion which may come in handy; if conditions are very rough and the boat is heeling and pitching, you can easily halve the length of the line from your harness by simply passing a loop around the jackline and fastening the clip back onto your harness attachment point, giving you a line of about 3 feet rather than 6, so if you fall you won't go over the side but you can still stand up and move around. Fair winds!
Awesome suggestion mrmrlee!! I will remember that for sure and thanks for sharing! :)
i never thought about the lanyard going all the way to the stern and not being able to get back on the boat. wow thanks for that info.
yes, I thought about that one day and came up with that little set up to prevent that. I may make it all a little better by mounting a cleat or eyebolt near the bowline location then I can just attach the jack line there and not have to do the bowline thing, but for now this set up works at least. :)
I messaged you on Facebook the other day and told you about my Cal 36. I finally figured out how to post comments. I use an ipad and it wasn't letting me connect to the full CZcams site.
Jacklines are standard safety gear and I can't believe how few boats in my area use them if racing rules don't make them. You're right, each boat is unique and jacklines can be rigged many ways. It's just important to have them and use them. We haven't rigged them on the Cal yet but we never went to open water in our Catalina 27 without them rigged.
Keep up the good videos.
Mike
Hey Mike! Glad you got the CZcams thing figured out! I find that my iPad makes site access more limited as well. The nice thing for you is that you can rig the jack lines up how you want to on the Cal 36 since you don't already have that set up. :) You'll have to send me a few pics of the Cal 36 on by the messaging on the FB Page! Would love to see her! :)
One of the most important sailing videos
Those are some excellent ideas and tips for sure. Especially the flat jack-line. I will be rigging my boat the sane come next season. Thanks for sharing!
Glad you enjoyed it justice tek! The strapping was purchased at the Mountain Equipment Co-op and it is climbing strapping. I figured if it is good enough for climbers and the loads they need to handle then it would be good enough for jack lines. :)
Alfy I like the fact that you have the line tied to it so that you can climb back up without fighting the boat dragging you 5-6 feet behind.
Yes that would be pretty difficult to get back on board being that far behind the boat is what I figure. Maybe at some point I will set up an eye bolt or cleat near the location that I make the bowline and the I can just attach the jack line to that point, but for now this set up works at least. :)
Great tips! Awesome video, Alfy! I've hear some say that the jack lines should be run outside of the shrouds. I think your way makes more sense. Especially in a boat like mine with a low freeboard :) I'll run mine on the inside of the shrouds next season.
Thanks Mads! There are so many ways to set up jack lines and I think the main thing is to set the up in a way that makes you the most comfortable and safe! :) I do prefer to be closer the the middle of the boat when walking on deck of sure! :)
I'm not an experienced cruiser but I think a scenario where you are outside of the lifelines and have to pull yourself back onto the boat is already a losing proposition. Seems more logical that a harness and jacklines should keep you ON the boat. It struck me that your line did not have enough tension, your tether was too long, and the lines could be more mid-boat. Enjoying your videos, thanks!
JohnKearney I agree that not going overboard is the best scenario for sure. It can be difficult to find the best set up for having lines down the centre of the boat when the dodger is on. It certainly could be done when the dodger is off. I can always loop my harness lanyard around the jackline and attach it back to my harness to make that length half. Glad you are enjoying the videos! :)
First time I saw a "preventer" rigged on a jackline. Good idea. Going to do it that way from now on! With an aft ladder and some sort of painter, you might be able to rig a way back on the boat. Keeping in mind Murphy's law which puts you over the side at night, in very cold water, high seas and wind. (Why else would you be on deck but to be fixing something you have to have because of the conditions!)
What I have never seen is someone trying to get back on board being drug through the water at 4+ knots. Any stories out there? Sounds like a good experiment (on a very warm and sunny day).
I have visions of a boat washing ashore dragging the remains of a sailor hooked to a jackline.
I guess the best scenario is having a set up that doesn't allow you to go over at all. :) I have often thought of how difficult it would be to get back aboard while being dragged through the water....something I hope I would only experience in a 'training' type scenario! And yes in warm water on a sunny day! :)
cool :)
Thank you for your video and for showing how to properly rig those jacklines. Next time I will make sure to properly adjust them to avoid slipping all the way past the transom.
Well there are so many ways to do these set ups and this way works for me and my boat for sure! :) Anything you can do to make it easier to stay on board or get back on board it the goal. :)
Here is my 2 cents. 1 it doesn't appear that you have enough slack to reach around the stern of the boat and get to the swim ladder. 2 Do you have a sugar scoop transom or a swim step. 3 do you have a way of deploying you swim step from in the water. Some friends and I went out 1 day and tried a man overboard drill. I's 100% harder than you think to reboard a vessel while it's stopped and 1000% harder when the vessel is moving. Then add a very rough sea and waves and 1000000000%. I personal like to anchor the jacklines in a few points along length on the haul. Last but not least you should have 2 clip lines so if you have to switch to the other side or from point to point you will never be disconnected from the vessel. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Simple solution for long lifelines! Though you really should use a shorter lifeline.. There's no way you can climb back aboard when the boat is moving and you're in your foul weather gear.
I usually run with 2 lines;
- a short one that is too short to go overboard, used for traveling along the deck.
- a longer one that I can clip to the mast or at least the center of the boat. Same rule applies; it's too short to go overboard.
Always have at least one clipped on!
I use this one, together with a lifeline cutter for cases like TheWoodmite described ;)
www.spinlock.co.uk/uploads/files/112013/527d5acb0d1c48c1690018b2/product/1792-DW-STR_3L.jpg?1387407598
Really enjoy watching your videos, keep 'em coming!
That is a good set up Sander Mertens! Thank you for sharing that and glad to hear you are enjoying the videos! :)
+1 for the short line. The water flow and the round hull shape are very efficient at sucking any object down, sailors included. So make sure you'd stay above that treacherous area if something goes wrong. ;-)
otagi Good tip! :)
The whole point is to stay inside the lifelines. Short tether, or a centerline jackline/attachment point.
Great video! Thank you for posting. We have bungee-type lifelines; I highly recommend them as they could save you from a jolt injury if you do go over.
On my last boat I rigged mine up down the center of the boat so that I could'nt be thrown over the side. that way you don't have to climb back on board.
this one having more trouble figuring it out because of the dodger and hatch cover.
Yes these things are very boat specific and so many options to set them up. The dodger does create create some challenges for sure!
ANYTHING THAT DOES NOT PREVENT YOU FROM LEANING OVER THE LIFELINES IS INADEQUATE. IF YOU GO OVER THE RAILS, YOU WILL BE DRAGGED BY THE BOAT, AND UNABLE TO PULL. YOURSELF ON BOARD, AND MAY LIKELY DROWN. THE JACKLINE SHOULD BE TAUGHT AND RUN DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE BOAT. THE LINE TO YOUR HARNESS SHOULD BE MUCH SHORTER.
Your landyard should be half the width of your boat deck. Yo want to stay inside the lifelines.
Your lanyard is still way too long and wont kep you anywhere near on the boat. You're going overboard and getting dragged.....
too long line. If you fall you be drawn.