Could this be your first recycled plastic project?
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In this video we try our hand at making a DIY-friendly project that anyone can do as their first attempt at working with recycled plastic. We've made lots of things in the past like keyrings and other small items that are easy for beginners, but don't necessarily have an inherent value. By making objects from recycled plastic that last a lifetime, it means that they are kept out of landfill instead of just delaying their journey there.
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I've got an idea for you. Maybe you could experiment with making 3D printing filament. Plastic use has gone up a lot since 3D printing got popular, so if people could get recycled filament, it might do a lot of good. You could also try recycling the discarded prototypes that always seem to go with 3D printiing. I watch a lot of makers on CZcams, and I always wonder what they do with the waste.
One note worth mentioning for beginners is to work primarily with bottle caps vs full HDPE container bottles.
I've worked primarily with container bottles as I just don't come across HDPE caps frequently and it is much more difficult to work with. It does not melt quite as fast and it isn't as plyable and melty. It's definitely worth noting as it could be quite frustrating
Totally impressed with your dedication to the 20 sided dice Matt, fab
Thank you! It was definitely more work than I had imagined
Huh I suppose you could use a similar method to make dominos - cool dice - love your channel
Great idea
LESS twisting and folding = more air bubbles, more color contrast
MORE folding = less air bubbles, less color contrast
You got it!
@@BrothersMake I'm guessing that if it was folded until it was homogeneous, it would be a ugly brown, but is there any way to bleach out the color? White would be better than brown, and then you could fold it a lot.
One of the things you can learn from other crafting disciplines is how to make a cane with no air bubbles - polymer clay artists and candy makers know how to do this well.
Basically, you squish the very middle into a smaller diameter and then work your way out like you're squeezing a tube of toothpaste but on all sides of the cane
Love these! Would be great if you could send them to Stand-Up Maths to work out how well balanced they are. Surely they're close enough but I'd be really curious to learn a method to measure that and find out just how close they actually are.
That would be very interesting!
a lot of people dont realise that the opposite numbers on a dice shoud add up to 7, ie 4 should be opposite 3, 2 opp 5 etc
Which is the pattern we followed :)
Weâve made so much in our family using crisp packets and milk carton lids because of you guys xx we spend so much on our D&D dice so this idea of making our own is brilliant. đ
Thatâs great to hear! Definitely give it a go đ€đœ
13:58 Other comments have dealt with air bubbles affecting randomisation, but you may get comments here that this is a spin-down dice (a dice where a path exists from face-to-face from the highest value face to the lowest value face) which I hear from the magic the gathering community is not a fair dice. Note - if everyone uses the same physical dice, then you are drawing from the same random distribution and no one in particular is favoured.
Edit: Stealing from my Parker dice, if someone wants a fair distribution, spinning down, the sequence is - 20, 6, 3, 7, 16, 4, 2, 10, 9, 8, 17, 19, 11, 12, 13, 15, 18, 14, 5, 1.
Edit edit: while I'm writing an essay in the comments, the "Matt Parker" dice is the product of the dicelab which Matt showed off in his video, of which an explanatory video can be found here: czcams.com/video/Nh2H_4g6evc/video.htmlsi=w1AP8MVgrXtjjY_T
*Maths nerd voice* - The concept of a fair dice is one where each side is equally likely to occur. For DnD this is the type of dice you need. I looked up a forum and a spin down exaggerates any dice defects (i.e. air bubbles, poor balance), whereas a regular patterned D20 or the Matt Parker D20 spreads the numbers around so if it's weighted with 20 being the most likely, numbers around 20 are generally lower (I think the surrounding faces of the 20 face on a standard D20 are 2, 6, 14? ). Stand-up Mathematician Matt Parker did a video at some point where he also added the condition that tried to balance the values surrounding each vertex.
czcams.com/video/pF8goco4ix0/video.htmlsi=f0Bl-R14u6px0jOY&t=321
Time stamped to the conversation around spin-downs. The whole video covers properties of opposite dice faces, etc.
In contrast to the most common use in Magic, which will be "Highest roll goes first", where if everyone rolls the same dice, everyone suffers the same dice defects.
There is no way thoes are weighted properly. I did find this video intresting and fun. The D20 was right up my color alley. I've subscribed. đ
I love everything about this video, and your brotherly relationship is refreshing and enjoyable. I know nothing about recycling yet, but I am now inspired to study!
Thank you so much! We have fun making these videos so Iâm glad that comes across :)
That is absolutely awesome! How long did the D20 take? Would you have been able to get similar color patterns in an injection scenario? Or do the colors mix too much?
Thank you! The D20 probably took 6-8 hours roughly if you take out the cool down time. You certainly could get a similar effect using injection moulding - we're trying to have a mould made but it's not a simple one to make! Thanks for watching đ€đœ
â@@BrothersMakewill standard silicone moulds for resin making work for the plastic, or does it get too hot?
That was perfect. I should melt plastic and make dice. That gives me excellent idea.
I love how the D20 characters came out the more you worked it. I think the numbers would have looked better if you used black paint pen for the instead of silver as you used silver bottle caps in the making of the dice itself otherwise they look amazing
Thatâs fair. We decided to do silver as weâd done black on the smaller dice. Thanks for watching!
â@@BrothersMake silver was the right choice, black would have been harder to see đ
I've watched hundreds of dice making videos and even tried my hand at it once but I've *never* seen anyone mill dice lol. It's pretty neat. I'd like to see someone do them in brass or aluminum now as well.
What a fantastically geeky project, I love it!
Could I make a suggestion? Instead of a silver marker, a Molotow chrome pen would really make the numbers pop. I use them in my action figure restorations (my contribution to keeping plastic out of landfill I suppose!) and they really are properly chrome, not like the old days. You will need to fix the chrome when it's dry, so might add a couple more minutes to the project, but it'd be well worth it.
Also, just wanted to say how nice it was to meet you both at MC in May! My Mum was very impressed by the sunglasses after I'd explained what you lads do! It'd be amazing if you could do a talk next year, I'm sure loads of people who don't know what you're about would love to hear what you do, how you do it and why. Fingers crossed!
I've been looking at getting a cheep injection molding machine and a dice mould but now I might give hand making a try :D
For sure give it a go! Itâs good fun
Feels like that hot stamp numbering could use a bit of a jig, but it looks good being a touch wonky.
Dice must be balanced and the weight precise. Iâm thinking you will need to use the more twisting, fewer colors way of blending in order to assure the dice are true. Otherwise the dice are considered âloadedâ!
Oh for sure these arenât going to win any awards for precision, but they were fun to make!
A pressure oven could be used to eliminate air bubbles. Or after you clamp it down, you could put it in a pressure chamber.
I think showing the consequences of the lack of folds was good, as I've always wanted to see something this video was going for and now I can see the trade-off.
They have molds for resin dice. It would be interesting if the design of one of the resin molds could be used to make an extrusion mold for hot plastic.
Makes me think of the road to El Dorado. 'You gave me loaded dice' lol.
By not filling the holes that show the numbers on the dice, they will not be balanced. The dice must be equal in weight on all sides, or you will not get a true dice roll. It will probably end up with 5s and 6s more than normal dice.
It is a nice thing to make though.
Yep, youâre absolutely right. Very fun to make!
I know I commented earlier on the need for precision in dice, but had an afterthought that I wanted to share.
When I was young, back before televisions were in color, we had earrings made of dice. Why couldnât you add a screw in I-ring into the dice, add a jump ring and put them on hanging pierced earrings? They were hugely popular back in the day. Precision isnât important and since the kids play so many dice dependent games, you would have a market for them? Just a thought.
Beyond the certainty that these aren't weighted fairly, and that spindown arguably isn't the fairest possible number distribution for a D20, I'd question how durable these would be to repeated rolling? Something so easily hand carved gives me flashbacks to the super cheap dice that came in the super oldschool D&D boxed edition. (Though their problem was brittleness, with the corners and edges wearing away with each roll.)
The D,20 Looks Amazing
Very very cool. You guys are awesome. I love dice and have all sizes, but these would be so great to add to my little collection. Keep up the great work
What I'd love to do is create containers for small and larger items. From fasteners and gaming cards to hand tools.
Is there a way to do so with DIY molds or are these limited to the expensive injection molds you use?
I'd love for these containers to be compatible with gridfinity. Ideally creating the gridginity baseplates as well.
Gridfinity is very popular in the 3D printing space right now. I believe it would be amazing if this technique could avoid the need for new 3D printers and new specialized plastics.
Ha ha the fact you can hide a hole in the dice so easy is actually funny when it comes to dice. So I could say hide a small BB inside, oh nothing, never mind just thinking to myself đ
That Blue blank was GORGEOUS!
Thank you!
Awesome vid! đ Next project put the numbers in an opposite order way. Like 20 opposing 1 and 19 opposing 2. All opposing sides equal 21 added together on D20. Same with D6, 1 opposing 6 all opposite sides add to 7.
I just followed an online template đ€·đœââïžđ
â@@BrothersMakethat's a MTG count down marker, not an actual d20
I'd be interested to see some water testing for the weighting.
such a pretty marbling!
EDIT: It'd make a GREAT handle material for knives too! esp. Dive and Utility knives!
We made a knife handle a few years ago!
@@BrothersMake Oh EPIC! I'm relatively new to the channel and haven't gotten to the older stuff yet, but that'd be a good way to semi-consistently offload blanks of this size, if you aren't already, which you probably are!
with a base of white-clear, and just 1 color in a 2:1 or up to 6:1 ratio, you could make some PRETTY faux marble for handles and pens and such!
@@lady_draguliana784 I think that making cutting boards is the best way. They can be repurposed.
@@eugenetswong they sell really well too! hmm... đ€ BOTH! đž
@@lady_draguliana784 If you can sell cutting boards, then sell them in sizes, which match alternate uses, like clipboards, lids over sinks [i.e.: bathroom, kitchen, and laundry], and bowls.
Very good friends, excellent work, greetings from Brazil.đ
Love these! I really want to take a crack at making some of my own.
3:50 Seeing that pattern. How could it be better? It can't! That's it!
Awesome video :D for any dice nerds who wanna see something at the exact opposite end of the materials spectrum, Hedron Rockworks does fantastic carved?/cut?/ground?? D20s from shiny shiny rocks. Both approaches are cool but for different reasons.
Agree. Cool idea. Also maybe consider some other things for games. Conteiners, card separators etc.
Which material are the heating sheets made of? How do you demould so easy from the wood mold? Do you use some demoulding product?
So the dice need to have opposite faces totaling up to be 1 + n of the die, e.g., for a d20 the 20 is opposite the 1 the 19 is opposite the 2 etc. For a d6 1 is opposite the 6.
We followed that pattern for the D6, but I just used an online template for the D20
Just an fyi, that acetone is melting your plastic very slightly. If you can use something else to remove the pen marks, you can probably skip the blowtorch step entirely
This was a great surprise. So cool.
Great Job đ€â»ïžđ€
Thanks Pat!
With the blowtorch for making them shiny again, is it just a case of heating them for a few seconds and it takes care of itself?
awesome creation. it looks like the numbers are in order going around. that would make this mtg counter dice. numbers are more random on d&d d20.
I've never figured out why people say this. Assuming the dice is balanced so each face is equally likely and it gets a proper shake and roll, how would the order of the numbers affect the randomness?
@@JamesWanders i think its the same if dice is balanced. if it has air bubbles maybe makes the imbalance worse. đ€·ââïž
How often do you end up swapping out the baking sheets?
Those clic klac rocks don't clic klac right! Great use fornthe plastic, they do infortunately make a a different siund than you'd expect from dice.
Hope that d20 rolls high! Nothing hurts more than getting a brand new d20 only for it to roll like garbage
hey ive just started making dnd dice at home with my scrap 3d prints. what a coincidince.
But in my situation its not what everyone can do. I have silicone molds that resistant to the heat that melts pla or common 3d printable plastics. I just remelt them into the molds. but in this video everyone can acvhieve relitavely same results, just a lot harder!
I would be so curious to see the color blends you achieve with your silicone mold process.
@@toriwilson6961 its kinda hard im still trying to figure out a reliable method. Since the parts i melt isnt homogenus* at all there is lot of bubbles to deal with. If i succed i will probably share it.
Nice! This is so cool. Iâll have to make some and chill out on the coffee when itâs chisel time đ
Itâs definitely one of those therapeutic projects that you can make to a podcast or audiobook đđœ
Love these! Very well done! Thanks for what yâall do. Hugz, Tree
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I love it! BUT - you got the D20 number placement all wrong lol!
Super cool vĂdeo and crafting!... but thatÂŽs not a D20, itÂŽs just a die counter. D20 have opposite faces add up 21, for example: 20 the opposite face is 1, 19 its opposite is 2 and so on. Not many DMs will allow it.
Is that a spin down counter? The number order looks like it is
Well i was going to take my plastic down to you guys but you might have just saved me some expensive train tickets :P
Air bubbles inside a dice will throw it off balance and make it unfair. More blending would be better in this case.
Oh for sure these wonât be perfectly balanced, but for a casual player itâs completely fine
I doubt it will actually make that much difference, the bubbles are pretty small anyway or they would show from the outside and get filled. Looking at the creation process and the results from under the chisel as it cuts I don't think there is enough bubble in the die to be any different to an injection moulded die. Would like to see the results of say 100 rolls on one of these die though - but if you do that on a commercial D20 its often far from even.
@@BrothersMakeI think you misunderstand. People who make their own dice are NOT casual
As someone who makes dice, those bubbles would be fine, even for official play.
@@poetgriot18 how so?
Two of my favorite things... nice!
What's the black sheet do you use?
Looks like silicone baking mat to me. Comes in lots of varieties.
I enjoyed the visuals of chiseling the plastic, but what made you decide to go that route instead of making a press mold? Wouldn't that have been much quicker for making multiples?
Yes indeed! But this was intended as a beginner friendly project
đ wow nice I can remove 2 bottles caps for the landfill for a few months
Can you make dice injection molds?
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You are amazingâ€
Can you give the detailed dimensions of the wood mold?
We made it in our air fryer video. I think itâs 45mm x 150mm
so many people whining about unbalanced dice
The caterpillars were inside us all along
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Dope!!
awesome !
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Have you tested dice for fairness? You could have a whole video throwing it 500 times and recording the rolls.
That was an awesome video on so many levels.
Tell me, when you get enough random plastic scraps, cuttings and scrapings from all your projects, do they all end up mixing together to make a yuck brown colour like kids do with paints?
If yes, when do you make recycled plastic poo emjois? đ©
3:52 Modern art
Dice?!?! Now you're speaking my language :D
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@@BrothersMake I do want to point out something. yes, its in the "super picky" category, but it bares mentioning. that isn't a true D20, its known as a spindown. there have been multiple studies and official rulings on this from various TTRPG bodies that spindowns are not a true random distribution and official games don't allow them. and yeah, obviously they aren't weighted properly either. i would absolutely use custom dice like this for counters or other things though, its still a super cool project :D
NFTI says hi
Unfortunately, such dice with air bubbles inside and holes drilled manually to different depths are not suitable for playing. The dice must be carefully balanced so that the chance of each outcome is the same. With this execution, it is impossible.
A plastic grave marker.
Hi do you sell these
We donât currently, but would love to find a way to make them affordably enough to sell
noooo.... it is counter đż
There is nothing wrong with Dungeons and Dragons. Hehe.
Not at all!
@@BrothersMake If you guys sell the dice you make, I would buy a set.
Weâre working on that!
fill the hole with some nail polish you thinned out with some acetone
Unfortunately the only thing that sticks to HDPE is HDPE once you heat it up
â@@BrothersMake That's not true. I've gotten many things to stick. It's just difficult.
Thank you.
I think you underestimate the staying power of a good key fob, I have been using the same plastic one for 47 years.
It may be worth making a metal mold. Or using a heating mat to keep the plastic melty ? đ«