The EXPANSE Admiral Duarte Explained | Season 6
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- The Expanse: Admiral Winston Duarte explained. Duarte's plans for Laconia and the protomolecule in Season 6. Please subscribe! 👉 bit.ly/PetePeppers
Winston Duarte was a career Navy officer on Mars before the Free Navy conflict. His name first showed up at the end of season 4 of the show after Bobbie had been investigating theft of Martian military tech. At the end of season 5 we heard him referred to as Admiral Duarte and found out he was the leader of the Martian Breakaway Fleet. He helped arm the Free Navy, and used them as a distraction to take a third of the MCRN's ships to Laconia.
In season 6 we meet him on Laconia after one his soldiers kills Xan in an accident. He talks to Cara and explains his grief over losing the dream of Mars and says he wants it to be a sacrifice so it still means something. In the final season we also learn that the orbital platforms above Laconia are an important part of his plans, and that's why he traded ships for the Protomolecule sample.
After Cara's little brother Xan dies in an accident she meets Winston Duarte. She had encountered some strange creatures in the woods near her house, and noticed that reanimated a bird that had died. She decides to enlist their help to bring her brother back, and when her parents find out they're terrified. Cara leaves home with her brother who is no longer dead, but noticeably changed. It's implied that she will die of starvation and expects that they'll bring her back as well.
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Chapter Timestamps
0:00 Intro
0:57 Who is Winston Duarte?
2:51 The Dream of Mars
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6:34 The Breakaway Fleet
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Super interesting character. I thought the actor did a really good job with his limited screen time. If you haven't done it, you should really read the final trilogy. Let me know what you think of Duarte and Laconia.
Hey Pete, great content! Thanks for all the awesome vids.
I just hope we get more The Expanse to finish out the last 3 books. Did you think that last line/scene was a little wink to the fans? Naomi being like "lets just stay here for a little" after Holden brings up the Proto Molecule, almost felt like Ty and Dan were talking to all of us ready to launch another save The Expanse campaign....At least on a second viewing that's how it felt to me.
He’s a little taller than I expected.
Another great video essay, Pete! IDK if you have any more in you with the close of the series, but they certainly are compelling and very entertaining! Thank you so much🚀
I absolutely love the books. Amazon dropped the ball on this imo. Unless they’re trolling us for a couple years and have always planned on finishing…. Frustrating, either way.
Cmon Netflix! Pick this baby up
He really did I’ve been reading the final trilogy and that’s how I picture him now.
I GOT GODS TO KILL - Duarte This line, is why we need season 7
I don't disagree, but if it was too expensive for Amazon then who would finance it???
Maybe we could get a couple of movies... I hope!!
@@giff74 Apple+TV which produced Foundation and Invasion and featured Finch, the movie.
@@giff74 I think in part that it had to do with the time gap and the time needed to come up with new designs, sets, costumes and props that they would need for Laconia as well as to figure how they’d age up the cast. And the uncertainties from Covid.
@@eds1942 You make great points. Covid is a real factor. When I re-watch season 1 & 2, some of those episodes featured a lot of extras----up to 600, so says Naren Shankar. Streaming services rarely go beyond 2 or three seasons these days anyway and while Bezos is no longer CEO, he seems intent on being a commercial astronaut and saving Amazon from destroying itself (per Forbes.)
@@eds1942 I'm sure that's part of it, but it sounded like Amazon was tighter with the budget for season 6, thus the 6 epidsodes.
The reallity can often be that it's hard making money on really good sci-fi.
Honestly, as far as a major cataclysm I found the fact that Mars had to grapple with its population leaving for the ring much more dramatic and compelling than the Free Navy's attack on Earth. Seeing how such a disciplined and concentrated society with a clear objective can completely unravel was really sobering.
I wish there was more emphasis placed on it.
For a guy who's been onscreen for a total of about three minutes this season, I feel like they've done a superb job of introducing him.
In his first scene with Cara,
"No one could stop us. So instead, someone has to keep us safe, or at least try. I don't know if I still can, and if I can't... nothing matters then anyway."
Kind of a lot to unload on a kid who just lost her brother. But I think that itself says a lot about Duarte - even at this young age, he's a little disconnected from the people around him. Also, that while Duarte isn't in any simple sense a selfish person, and does actually care about humanity, he still somehow brings his thoughts looping back to his own concerns even when it's inappropriate to the situation - it's a kind of selfish selflessness which is I think really realistic to how a lot of ideologues behave.
I really liked how a hint of sheer madness and barely constrained glee was visible on Duarte's face every time we saw him in the final episode - because he was either alone or speaking to people who didn't matter because they were disposable pawns he sent to die, and we see more of his real personality in those moments.
Honestly, even knowing it was coming, I was really taken aback by how utterly blunt and cold he was telling Marco he doesn't matter. I get the feeling he wanted to show off just that one time. And his 'Oyadeng Beltalowda' comment, right at the end, showed a nice level of usually hidden contempt for Belters. Like, maybe he is a bit of a bigot beneath all his grand ideas about unifying humanity.
I would’ve loved to see that sink into Marco for a couple of seconds.
“You were a useful distraction. But I’ve got gods to kill.”
And Marco’s ego cracks a bit.
Wow, nicely done. You kind of captured it all. I was immediately struck by his conversation with Cara too. They played it so well. He should be consoling her in a completely adult way but instead she ends up consoling him because what he’s talking about goes over her head in her innocence. So yeah, he’s dangerously detached from humanity, but we only get the slightest glimpse there. Good stuff. It would be very cool to see the show renewed to finish the books but they set it up well enough to be imagined without that happening too.
@@eds1942 It was the battle of the egomaniacs. Duarte promoted himself to Admiral, not the MCRN. What does that tell you? Methinks, Duarte believes he is a legend in his own mind.
@@tmmartinesq.6216 he is an egomaniac with a cause, much like Marcos but in addition he is absolutely brilliant. He has the smarts to actually succeed where Marcos was a paper tiger and a useful pawn for Duarte. He was the brains the entire time, pulling Marcos’ strings. Very Machiavellian.
I think you described him very well there, he’s a seemingly nice guy but at the same time he’s a crazy one
I find that Duarte is a much more interesting and deep character than Marco. Loved the final three books. Really hoping we eventually also get the final 3 seasons!
I think that’s kinda the point, Marco is always supposed to be a smokescreen for Duarte, the true threat
Oh most definitely. Marco was an idiot.
People like Duarte who idolize Spartan/Laconian society, (assuming that's the reason for the name), almost never look at the realities of that society or its eventual decline and defeat.
You should read the final book.
The authors are not blind to that history in choosing to give Laconians that description.
@@Cbricklyne Thanks, I will! I've ordered 7 8. 9 was out of stock at Amazon, but I'll definitely get around to it.
Duarte honestly copies a lot more of his techniques from the Romans rather than the Spartans. He does apply Spartan techniques on Laconia but he recognises that most people aren't that into that kinda thing. You haven't read the books yet so I won't say anymore but honestly Duarte is my favourite villain mostly because there are times I genuinely support his actions over those of "protagonists."
Yeah, idealogues b bad.
It was, it’s mentioned in the book. :)
*The expanse Series*
1-Leviathan Wakes (2011)
2-Caliban's War (2012)
3-Abaddon's Gate (2013)
4-Cibola Burn (2014)
5-Nemesis Games (2015)
6-Babylon's Ashes (2016)
Strange Dogs
7-Persepolis Rising (2017)
8-Tiamat's Wrath (2019)
9-Leviathan Falls (2021)
I'd add these as well if you're following the TV series:
0.1 - Drive (touched on in series 2)
0.2 - The Churn (touched on in series 5)
0.5 - The Butcher of Anderson Station (touched on in series 1)
3.5 - God's of Risk (altered in series 4) *added due to comment by Deana
Most of the other novellas are set between each of the main books after that but didn't get a mention in the show e.g. Vital Abyss
@@termnus77 Gods of Risk was in S4, but it mostly focused on Bobbie instead of her nephew.
@@deanadewall8400 True. I didn't include it because her nephew didn't appear whereas with the others did include their original characters in the show. You could throw that in for good measure if you were curious.
"God is dead and Duarte killed him!"
-Expanse Nietzsche
we will see about that ;)
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Spoilers for book 8
idk if they can die but he dropped an antimatter bomb on them and that clearly upset the unknown aggressors so he may have killed a few.
@@will2brown50 i read all books, hurt or killed for sure
"I have gods to kill" is such a badass line.
With the unknown aggressor I think it’s worth pointing out they managed 30 years without any problems in the books and then this guy messes things up and they get really bad. As Holden said he decided to poke god with a sharp stick and strangely thought that was going to go well. The problem with people like Dwarte is actually really simple they can’t except the idea that someone else might be the one to fix a problem. He might not have been the same kind of narasist Marco was but he still had a real Ego problem.
Marco Inaros was beyond a malignant narcissist, he was an ultra genocider.
As it turns out, playing tit for tat with alien gods may not be the best idea. Who woulda thunk.
Jaffa rebellion exactly, why couldn’t he have just left it alone
I think in a simple way Duarte is like lots of people. Looking for an opportunity to exert some control over the future that they feel power and politics do. Whether it comes from a good place or bad doesn't matter really because it's ego driven
@@jennadawson7949 ego is a powerful motivator and Duarte doesn't realise it but that's what drives him.
Duarte's dialog with Cara was PITCH-Perfect: He *really* conveyed the sympathetic, empathic, Big-Picture thinking/feeling which distinguishes him from just another Megalomaniac.
Listening to him I actually sympathised with him.
@@ptonpc Ye, I started thinking, oh, here is our new hero?
He was cast kind of good. I pictured him with darker hair
@@2KOOLURATOOLGaming No one can replace Drummer of course. Mostly because she'd murder him :D
Since they made the effort to actually introduce Duarte in person (and thus a new actor) in the second half of the extra short final season of The Expanse, I'm still crossing my fingers for a soon to be announced spin-off series centered on Duarte and Laconia to fill the 30-year gap (or at least some of it) in the books. It could tell the story of Laconia's rise and the strides made in understanding and employing the alien technology found in the Laconia system. That would pay off the late introduction of the Duarte actor and not just leave him with only about 3 minutes of total screen time.
The creators of The Expanse knew exactly what they were doing by introducing Duarte and Cara and especially Xan, or what happened to Xan to be more on point. It left the non-book readers wanting more more more!
Awesome summary; I'm ever impressed with how fleshed out this universe is. It's clearly not fully serviced with just one viewing.
Also, TIL Simu Liu was in season 3 of the show (thanks to a clip in this video).
i literally had no idea until this video lmfao
- ya i just noticed that!
The writers did such a GREAT JOB in fleshing out Admiral Duarte in such a short amount of screen time. I really do hope we can get more seasons to complete the story of The Expanse, but if worse comes to worse, there are options. One is obviously the books, but there are other forms of entertainment that can help.
They could make an animation/anime series which can cut costs on real physical sets/studio production values since all the funding goes to Animators, Sound/Music, and when it comes to voice acting, the original crew can still participate despite the time skip and lack of make up work.
They can potentially take risk and make a video game :D For example, Star Trek Online continued the story after Voyager and Nemesis and I have to say they did a pretty good job fleshing out many Story Campaigns that were in depth and entertaining to the point where you would feel like you are playing a role in an actual new TV seasons.
Heck, an Expanse game that basically mirrors Star Trek Online one for one would sound pretty fun actually! From Commanding Starships from all three factions and explore the different Ring Gates. Lead Ground missions to investigate what happened to those that came before humanity. Customize your character and starship with gear to help complete your mission.
Sorry for the long post! I am just going through a phase where I cannot believe that The Expanse truly ended at Season 6! LOL GL HF Everyone!
The casting for Duarte is SPOT on because it’s exactly as I envisioned him. I really hope that if they continue adapting the story they are able to keep this actor.
Pete Peppers's videos should be a part of The Expanse canon.
true
Not the "canon," because he trades in opinion, but most definitely Corey & Shankar & Crew should've hired him to do marketing all sol long. Maybe if they had we'd be looking at a locked in season 7 on Prime or HULU or Apple. Now we're twisting in the wind.
Convinced this show will eventually return
Admiral Duarte's on a road that he knows doesn't have a happy ending, but he's not looking that far ahead. He's satisfied that as far as he knows, his position in the timeline of his goals and the progress of the group is in the infancy phase and nowhere close to maturity.
If people could see the future, most wouldn't bother to get out of bed--that includes Duarte.
I'm about to finish book 2 and reached season 6. I'm very emotional right now and will go cry again now. Gonna miss your expanse recaps.
"Some teenager somewhere will write a post or an essay on why Duarte was right, actually." Santiago "Sonny" Singh aproves this message...
Haha, that guy was a true believer
Nicely done. Coherent explanation for one of the most interesting characters. Duarte isn't a "bad guy" or a "good guy". He's simply doing what he believes in.
He sounds like iron man,
Putin is also doing what he believes in.
Duarte is basically space-Stalin
Just finished book 9 a couple of hours ago. Wow! These last 3 were the best of all 9. I really hope it gets made into television, would be amazing.
The last 3 are all the best in the series in my opinion too. I would love to see it adapted. It’ll make for some of the best tv ever.
@@thelemmiebee with you 1000%
Was it cathartic for you?
@@tmmartinesq.6216 it was all positive for me.
Thanks Pete! I thought the actor did a fantastic job with so little screen time. Duarte is a great character. The absolute culmination of all the various people trying to control the protomolecule. And I love his solve for the problem of empires crumbling. As creepy as it is!!!
Casting choice was on point. To me, he played the part of the ostensibly benevolent leader, with undertones of absolute malice and determination really well, and hope we get to see him reprise the role.
The gradual introduction of Duarte really reminds me of how they hype up the Fire Lord in Avatar, and how we only meet him in earnest in the final season.
Duarte will see screen time again. The show is too good to die.
Who decides? Ty & Dan have a new project. Appears they have moved on.
No dictator has ever turned out to be benevolent. Duarte will end up the same.
Great job giving context for the laconia/ Duarte storyline. I realize most show watchers were confused and not invested in it but if you're a fan of the show it gives you all the more hope to see this play out ..... Hopefully in another 3 seasons in our near future.
Pete!.. keep the teasing going, it's amazing how this story and the end of the books ends.!
Let's hope for a future 3 seasons for my favorite TV Sci fi
It would be great to see three movies also. The next trilogy would be GREAT on the big screen so we could see the true SCALE of some of the tech.
Oyedeng, Beltalowda.
This is when Marco realized he is just a tool.
The salt in the wound and he seemed to relish doing it.
Spoiler Alert for anyone who hasn't read the last three book! The entities in the ring are the forces of chaos and the ring gate planets that humans colonized become integral members of the First human empire/federation from the dark/golden age of technology. I especially loved the reveal towards the end of the God Emperor in his Tibetan fortress saying "everything is proceeding as foretold by the prophecy". Sends chills down my spine thinking about it!
It was the only show on tv that i watched repeatedly. You've done a great job covering the story, please go into the future books.
I do have two issues with the show that I don't think they thought thru. With all the Martians going Laconia, there is no way that is kept a secret and when they arrive on Laconia, what do they eat, they've made it clear there isn't anything edible on the planet.
They have to grow their own food, and it is rare to be up and running without trade so early in the colonization. The implication is they planned things out incredibly well.
@@PetePeppers1 I guess they have a lot of inherited and stored cultural knowledge, expertise, + experience in planning for inhospitable environments.
Mr Logistics sorted it all out 😊 .. I second the motion on discussing further books
@@PetePeppers1 The Laconia situation stands in stark contrast to how ill prepared the "New Terrans" were on "Illus."
That's true
Like mentioned Winston Duarte is a logistical genius, while everyone else was playing 3D chess he was on the 4D scale.
he was playing chess against 4d people truly.
He's the type that would attend the "Sol System Economic Forum "
They did get one thing right about logistics, the better you are, the less other people will notice you.
Great video as always Pete
Another great deep dive with scenes and other supporting material to boot. I gave this to a non-book reader co-worker to explain how Duarte is a key antagonist in the remainder of the series.
Another hint: Laconia is the area in Greece where Sparta is located.
They will fail just like Sparta.. A pure militaristic society doesn't work.. not on the long run
And phonetically in French, Sauve-Terre literally means Save-Earth ?!?
@@buxadonoff doesn’t stop them from trying tough !
@@MrKawaltd750 probably. In portuguese it would be salve-terra. Literally translates to save earth
@@MrKawaltd750 oh no, they will, but even if they succeed, they will be overtaken from within. The society they are striving for is too unstable and people will revolt
The day after Episode 6.6 dropped, I got Strange Dogs on my Kindle. Persepolis Rising just came in the mail three days ago, and it is clear in just the first few pages that Duarte will be a key driving force in the next part of the story. I didn't know that the Vital Abyss was part of the post-series reading list before this video, but skimming the reviews on Amazon it looks like it provides some relevant info about Cortazar, whose perspective is where Persepolis Rising starts. Am going to read The Vital Abyss this afternoon, thanks for the heads-up!
The show introduced Cortazar way earlier. None of his season 2 stuff happened in the books.
*Spoiler*
*Winston Duarte* who has been taking modifying agents with Protomolecule technology developed by Cortazár, no longer sleeps, and has the ability to read other's thought patterns.
Duarte ends the book by interviewing Holden, for his experiences and knowledge saying he will be needed in the fight to come with the Protomolecule destroyers.
amazing video the thought process behind Mars was all there but this video really summarised it in a very clear way. that made me realise i didnt pick up on it at all. I'm currently doing a rewatch, I'm on season 3 now appreciate it much more the second time around and these videos reaaly add to that! so thank you!
Glad it helped
I've rediscovered the majesty of yellow and are completely devoting myself to it.
12:23 “some teenager will write a post or an essay about why Duarte was right” as a 15 year old who thinks Jules Pierre Mao was one of the most amazing characters in the show those words hit close to home. Lol
This is a very good examination of The Expanse.
Man, I really wish I could experience all this for the first time again.
Your video is 100% on. Nice work.
At 3:58 => I noticed only now. The students are assembling a Donnager.
I always look forward to your Expanse videos, especially now more than ever since the show has come to an end. You’ve convinced me to read the books.
I just finished Persepolis Rising and I definitely thought the season 6 actor did a good job portraying him. Very much hopeful we get to see a season 7, 8 and 9 but the books are really great too, so at least we're not left totally hanging with season 6.
Thank you for this. I was so lost. Got to read the books. I hope they move forward with this arc.
You and me both
That's a fantastic video, Pete. Great summation of events and people 🙏
Regarding casting, I like Dylan Taylor as Winston Duarte, although some have criticized the choice based on Duarte's physical description in the books. The television version of Duarte is super tall, striking and handsome, that adds to his charisma as a leader. TV is a visual medium. Sharp antagonists are a big draw. Look at Keon Alexander cast as "pretty eyes and perfect hair," Marco Inaros. P.S.Thanks Liang Walker for that immortal line!
You explain things very well. Thank you
"Its extremely hard to get off of it", glad to see basic and I have something in common
Earth is the last place I'd want to live in the world of the Expanse. But, I still wouldn't jump through the Ring Gate. Risky business.
They better make a season 7 or sequel series because the show did not feel like it ended
Excellent in-depth explanation of the character! I look forward to reading the books now!
Good video, thanks for the explanation! The name Laconia itself is a big indication of his ambitions (and more). Laconia was the region of ancient Greece around Sparta. As people will no doubt recall, Sparta was a militaristic society in which all male citizens served in the army. They were also strange in that they regarded themselves as descendants of Heracles (Hercules) who were never truly Greek and so perpetually alien occupiers of their own territory in Greece.
i never made the connection w the whole laconia thing from ancient history but honestly it makes a lot of sense, especially since this is a series that tends to take things from our real life history to use as plot points in the story. I love that its more complicated and referential than it looks at first glance, that's part of the reason i enjoy this show so much! thanks for making me aware of this reference i'll def look into it and i'm excited to try and connect it to what we see in the show. i havent read the books and dont rly have any plans to but i may just grab a copy of the next book in the series after the show ends after i finish this Murakami I'm reading ...
Duarte is so creepy! Another great villain. I know I'm probably committing heresy but I'm skipping ahead to the books after season 6 and I'll go back and read the others.
I also loved the dichotomy of the concept of basic assistance on Earth. Sort of like the way some think that folks on welfare are lazy and are just takers in the U.S. but if you actually have the experience of being on welfare or knowing those who have been it's a different story.
The first novella I read was The Churn. Then I read Nemesis Games and went back to the first books. As to government entitlements, if there are no living wage jobs the government has a responsibility to provide aid.
I am dying from a rare illness, which is shutting down my autonomic nervous system. I receive or am suppose to receive several government subsidized programs to aid me. I currently receive SSD or Social Security Disability Insurance. However right after I received my official diagnosis and began IVIG (infusion treatment), Covid hit, which shut down my treatments for 4 months, ( I got so ill) and almost every single government program. I worked many years, raised a son, spent 7 years working non profit (all monies cam from my hand exclusively) with at risk children and families in crises. I have an advanced degree. Yet the government barely keeps me alive and most of the programs literally shut down due to Covid lock-downs. I live well below the poverty level. I typically run out of food by the second to third week of each month and cannot afford much in the way of healthy food. The State gives rewards me a whopping $50.00 per month in food credit or SNAP card. _Yay I can go buy a gallon of milk and a sack of potatoes!_ I cannot afford my over the counter medications. None of them! I have no transportation currently as I am not suppose to drive; hopefully that will change - soon. I spend approximately $150.00 each month on Taxi services which takes food out of my mouth - as the government programs to assist me with picking up my medications or taking me grocery shopping have all shut down due to Biden handing out Unemployment like it was Halloween candy. No one wants to return to work esp when getting paid a mere pittance; On Unemployment many receive up to 3X more monthly. Why should they?
I had to move into HUD (Government Subsidized Housing) 4 years ago. Most disabled residents living here also run out of food and barely survive. Plus making things even worse with my illness is the tons of paper work, "No"s, brick walls of doom, fiery hoops of death , and repetitively smashing my head against the wall until bloody etc daily just to barely live. Then add to that a Obama (does not) Care. Its business model in regards to government insurance is based off a "Pay to Perform" model, which means docs receive substantial pay-outs of they are able to lower a patients BP or Cholesterol for example. I have been refused treatment several times because Docs can't make money off of me. So why should they help me? It's not like they can fix me over night. In a nutshell what I live off of is a Socialistic almost Marxist type system.
Young people many in academia who believe this system against Capitalism to be a valid way or both running our current messy governments & living with the results are either in utter denial or just not educated with their heads buried in the sand. We all need to begin voting better. Peace my friend ~
Not heresy haha I'm on book 8. Book 7 was quite the ride
@@tahirrazzaq9494 fucking Singh man every action he took was against the common sense of military occupations. One would think the laconian naval academy would have taught the basic history of military occupation. (I mean evidently they did as EVERY single one of Singh's under officers disagreed with his Draconian methods).
@@MarieElenaCambria1 I hope you are doing ok pal 👍🏻
Thank you. You’ve answered my questions about where Duarte came from. Now, I guess I need to read the last book and see how it ends.
Wow good clip :) Thank you.
What are the chances they will continue @The Expanse”? And thank you for these videos! I always watch a show ( Dexter: New Blood, The Foundation and The Expanse) and then watch your analysis.
Everyone involved would like to continue it, and it's a completed story with a satisfying ending. Someone would have to come up with the money to put it into production, and it wouldn't be cheap.
I was conflicted about the Martian storyline in Season 5. I know they had to keep things secret because the story was for Bobbie and Alex to discover what's happening. But I felt like I needed a few more scenes with the Martians at the ring gate in season 5.
I haven't read the books but I was able to follow the story on a basic level. And this channel helped me understand some stuff also. But I like experiencing characters and where they work or live. I wanted to feel connected to the Martians at the ring. I think that's what made me feel disconnected to Laconia in Season 6.
They are supposed to be mysterious. They disappear behind their gate and nothing new is known about them until book 7. The gate entities are also mysterious. There is a lot to do in the final trilogy. Such a huge epic cannot be told in six seasons so I am glad they didn’t even try. They simply set it up. The showrunner says he is “working on it” meaning he continues to work towards an adaptation of the final trilogy in some form. One of the authors asks us to “be patient”. I am hopeful.
Yeah they really should have explored that storyline with Alex better in season 5, in book 5 it’s done quite well. Alex meeting with Duarte on Mars and then later seeing Duarte behind Laconia made for an interesting payoff.
@@thelemmiebee I think they did what they could, at that point they didn't know whether Duarte would even be a part of the series in S6. I thought the Sauvaterre/Babbage arc, followed by the hit squad sent to Bobbie's place did a good job of conveying that something big with huge implications was in the works, even if it wasn't clear how much of the stolen ordinance was going to who and for what.
At the close of season 6 i was befuddled. Now i'm less befuddled; many thanks Pete, good essay!
We need Duarte and the Laconia story come on EXpanse team bring this to us please on PRIME or anything
No idea who he was in the show. Thanks for explaining.
10:08 I was going to make a comment asking if Shang Chi went with the Laconians or stayed with the Martians but then I read his fate from the Expanse Wiki entry and... never mind.
Yeah, he had a hard and conclusive ending to his stoy haha
@@PetePeppers1 Simu Liu went from involuntarily patching up the Ring Station as Lt. Paolo Mayer to Shang-Chi and the Legend of the 10 Rings.
The casting in this show is interesting bc of how much the character appearance corresponds to factions in EVE Online, like the Martians and Laconians are highly reminiscent of Caldari and Duarte is practically straight out of the character creator as a Civire bloodline. Holden looks like a textbook Gallente and Drummer and Naomi look directly Minmatar.
Dang, never played EVE, but this post makes me miss Dust 514.
@@benwarner5063 I liked DUST too. Now I have this ghost character in my corp that I can't get rid of and can't do anything..
Thanx for video... now I understand Mars better ...
I hope we get a season 7 in two years or something.
Duarte is possibly the best written character of the expanse. Its too easy to create 2 dimensional villains. To realise why Duarte is wrong requires an amount of life experience. I recommend the last book. Miller explains this to Holden very well in the last book but interestingly he simplifies it. (Motzart monkey communication I suppose)
I believe that's called a major spoiler for obvious reasons.
@@deanadewall8400 Miller is about in the TV show... SO its a major spoiler if you arent past S1
Yeah that’s definitely a major spoiler. But to your point I agree that Duarte is one of the best Expanse characters.
@@MrToastercide I think they meant just the fact that you mentioned Miller is in the final book, that was a big and unexpected moment at least for me.
@@thelemmiebee Yes. He should have left that out. It's like telling people who haven't watched S3 the same thing.
Excellent analysis; iam getting prepared to move on Lakonia!
Proceed with caution.
The video message Duarte, which means "wealthy guardian" in Portuguese, transmitted to Inaros was intriguing because it seemed like one megalomaniac inadvertently passing the baton to the next. Based on his hasta la vista message to Marco, he obviously views himself as the guardian of Laconia and he must have a wealth of resources beyond the orbital platform, to be so independent. However, as fascinating a character as Duarte presents himself, I would never follow him and I identify most with the Martians. Red flags exist that Duarte's just another despot, not a "benevolent" dictator and his leadership neither bodes well for his people nor the sol system. Oyedeng Duarte--go try to kill Ring Gate gods. I'm remaining on Mars! ⚡
Authoritarian societies, specially militaritic ones, won't work. Even if he was this benevolent leader he thinks he is (which he isn't, no one is), what happens after he dies ? That's why monarchs doesn't work, even if you get a good leader, nothing guarantees the next will be aswell.. They are too unstable and will always turn into tirany.. It's like that saying: the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Nothing worse then a dictator with good intentions ..
@@buxadonoff Interesting point -- read the next book is all I can say
@@buxadonoff I agree. Perhaps the closest the globe came to a benevolent dictator was arguably Moammar Gaddafi and we know how his regime ended. Back to Laconia, I find that proverb, "absolute power corrupts absolutely," to be applicable to Duarte.
@@HistoryGarden I'd want to, but if i would guess how they'd fail, i believe people will revolt and an insurrection will start. It's what ends up happening in this kinds of societies.
@@tmmartinesq.6216 Probably every dictator is the good guy on their own narratives. Even Hitler, he was doing those things thinking about the greater good on his mind. Stalin, Mao, every single one of them. I can't recall one that did evil just for the sake of it .. although there probably are.
thanks for this.
Very interesting! Just finished book 7 in 4 days. Gonna start the 8 one tomorrow!
Thanks for this great summary of Durate without giving away the "ending" I have read all nine books, but I must say I was confused after Book 9. Now having digested any op-eds, I think I understand where the authors were going. Thank you for your part in this.
Duarte really is the moment the series had its god emperor of dune moment. Really off the rails stuff
Genocide not withstanding, I could see his point right up until he attacks the ring entities directly, if you're a bug you don't go to war with the boot, you try and live with it and not piss it off
I really like this show! They better make more!
SPOILERS. from up to the end of Book 9 Leviathan's Wrath.......................
So are humans just gonna be ok knowing the unknown aggressor(s) are just out there still alive. The end made it seem like the Unkown Agress was also a hivemind but one sitting on a higher dimension(the 4th dimension or 5th possibly). The ring space was what the builders stole from the Unkown Aggressor(s) plane of reality. Essentially they were the monkeys poking at something bigger than them. Because the Unkown Agressor(s) has some sort of manipulative ability on lower consciousnesses he was able to wipe them out easily as their shared a more connected hive mind ability probably as a result of protomolecule research.
What intrigues me is if the proto molecule itself sought to protect or find life that could combat the Unkown Agressor or like what Miller seemed to suggest was it looking for something that the builders left behind that could be used to win a war with the Unknown Agressor(s)
If the Builders were able to steal the ring space from the Unknown Agressor(s) that means any sentient life could in theory do so as well effectively making Jim's sacrifice something that bought the universe time to prepare.
I'm guessing James Holden is officially dead but integrated as a part of the ring stations intelligence along with Miller, Builder consciousnesses, and maybe Duarte?
I just hope we get a chance to see this develop, and relaunch...
Great video. Can you explain why some ships get destroyed going through the rings?
I do hope he makes a video about it because his videos are great. But to answer quickly, and this delves into some spoiler territory so don’t read on if you care about that kind of thing:
there are beings in a different dimension which killed the Gate Builders and the protomolecule creators.
They’re called The Goths, and they can act and manipulate time and space in a way we can’t fully comprehend….
When a ship goes through one of the rings, there is a waiting period before another is able to safely travel through any of the rings because otherwise this disturbs The Goths and they essentially awake and eat all of the energy going through the ring. If ships go through the gates at a certain interval the Goths won’t notice, or at least aren’t as bothered.
It’s way more complicated than that, but that’s the gist without getting too much more into spoilers for the last 3 books.
@@thelemmiebee Oy, spoil me goddamnit. Whats the Goths fkn problem?
@@pantherpopel551 SPOILER
It's never fully explained, it's just understood that utilizing the ring gates -- passing through 'their' world -- hurts them somehow, which is seen as a sort of quantum "boiling" of space near the ring gates as I recall.
@@BigMikeMcBastard Thank you buddy.
Thanks Pete love your expanse stuff even if we don’t always agree your a great commentator on the lore and the books in my opinion. I really needed this distraction and I’m also bummed we aren’t getting more anytime soon.
Oh and always got Savetor (?) and Duarte mixed up. Loved the small performance though it grabbed me and he seemed genuine in his fanaticism. You don’t know how confused I got when I thought he got langolier’ed away.
Sauveterre and Duarte looked nothing alike.
@@tmmartinesq.6216 wow and they were on the show so damn much. And the names were always referenced. A$$hole.
@@noneed4me2n7 Sauveterre went Dutchman on the Barkeith. Winston Duarte was always "running in the background," building an evil empire on Laconia.
@@PolCoUSA yeah I know now, I thought the statement was clear on that but it’s fine.
I forget that before Shang-Chi was the master of the 10 rings, he was a Martian Marine first.
how is he going to destroy the race that destroyed the aliens using the tech he is exploring? does he think he can improve protomolecule-tech?
Read the books. There is a good explanation of his plan.
To sum it up, he wonders if these beings that destroyed the precursors are actually beings capable of learning or just a natural phenomena. So he decided to use the whip-cookie method, like training an animal. Punishing for aggression until they stop eating ships passing through the rings.
So he decided to overload the ring and send an unmanned ship carrying 20kg of antimatter for it to be eaten while passing through. Just to see if they get the message.
It ended badly.
Amazon spent 1.25 billion on a Hobbit/LOTR prequel. That’s why no more Expanse.
Seems to make sense to go with Superheroes and Fantasy series at this time, they usually top the viewing charts. The only way I see scifi compete is for them to adapt mass effect and fill it with big name actors.
@@MrComtrend Sci fi is having a moment among the mainstream.
I guess it's time to read all the books.
WHEWWWW just finished Book 7 Persepolis Rising. That book is sooo damn depressing omg. It would make a really good movie tbh
Thank you for your videos on The Expanse!!!
How and how long took it Duarte to build these six monster railguns on Laconia? With help from the Protomolecule?
According to the shows timeline it didn't take long. The Roci was out for six months in between seasons and however much time passed between episodes 1 and 3.
@@PetePeppers1 Thank you Pete. It was just like they build them while the Rocinante was flying around 'a bit', that puzzled me.
@@jwenneberg The show doesn't mention how long it takes to travel around space after S3 or S4. A short hop on screen for the Roci might take weeks if not months in the book. A lot of politics and manufacturing and science could take place in between.
Would love it if you could do a summary of the next 3 books
Any plans to do Season 6 to Book 6 comparison video?
It's a little over a week since the finale dropped and I'm 90% into Book 7, will probably finish it today and immediately start Auberon novella.
Also, one thing I didn't fully understand is how exactly did they "Close" the Laconia ring?
Auberon might be my favourite novella so enjoy! One of the conversations that happens near the end of it has one of my favourite lines in the series (though your mileage may vary of course).
Militarily! (Any more would be book spoilers)
Figure of speech, not literally closed, just you aren't allowed to come in.
They did mention in passing in season 5 that they would set up a minefield on the Laconian side to deter access.
considering how advance laconia end up in the end of the leviathan falls, i would say that Duarte did a good job in a laying the foundation of a civilization.
In the earlier seasons we see the perspective of the leaders of earth but when it comes to Mars we only see what the soldiers are thinking. From the few times the Mars leadership is talked about it seems like they are indecisive and mostly focusing on defense. I think Mars was living under the threat of nuclear destruction for decades and the ring gates gave them the chance to finally escape
Interesting point.
the expanse creates good villains, the villains are villains not just because they like it or some flimsy motive they have, they are truly victims of circumstances, be it Marco, or mao, or Duarte, or the gate entities they have their reasons to be what they are.
PS spoilers, Laconia in the end became a land of elves.
Hey pete, great video. Wanted to ask you if I can start reading the last three books after watching the show or should I start reading the books from the first part?
You could probably get away with starting on 7 after watching the show, but It's best if you start from the beginning.
To call Duarte a "bad guy" doesn't really do him justice. What I love about this show is that all the characters have virtues and flaws like real life. Everyone in this story is just trying to promote their own agenda of what they think is right based on their incomplete knowledge of the current situation creating conflict between each group. Like life it is through this conflict that we eventually progress.
Given Laconia's actions in the last three books I'd say it's unambiguous its military dictator is a bad guy, despite his intentions. Their actions are evil, and the end result further justifies criticism of their already inhumane methods.
thanks. did not get all that when watching the tv series.. doh!
Love Duarte
I've been holding off reading the books since starting the them a halfway through GOT only served to confuse me, never sure what was show and what was books. But I don't think I can wait without Expanse seasons scheduled. I gotta know where this god killing goes.
Now is the time to start reading them. You won't be disappointed.
Now is a good time to read the books because if they were going to make a spin off to the Expanse they would have announced it already. So it's really up in the air when we'll see a continuation.
Just finished last book and it's a doozie. Sad it's over but totally satisfied.
The reason I love these books is because it's realistic.
The choices we'd make in a not so distant future
I don't think it's relevant to compare A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones to The Expanse. The Expanse started out as a MMO/table-top game that Ty Franck had deeply mapped out, and when the he and Daniel Abraham started writing the books they developed a very disciplined approach to writing and editing that has led to a nine-volume series replete with short stories and novellas all finished in about 10 years. Two-thirds of that story has been successfully adapted to television in such a way that left book fans mostly satisfied and most television-only fans hoping someday they'll get to see the rest of the story. I took it on faith from sources like Pete that the TV story ended where it did for good reasons. While the last season was shorter than I would have liked it was nothing like the freaking bean-show that was season six of Game of Thrones.
Meanwhile GRRM started writing the first ASOIAF book THIRTY-ONE years ago. It took Martin nine years to write the first three books, eleven more years to write what was supposed to be one book but turned into two books and eleven years after that the next book has yet to come out. And for as much as I really liked the first three books, the last one turned into a joyless slog that I finished reading mostly because I had already invested the time into the first four books. It has none of the panache of the earlier stories and it felt like George R.R. Martin wasn't sure himself where he was going with it by then. A Dance with Dragons is bloated, convoluted, and by the end it was not that interesting anymore. Then HBO took all of that and did what they did...that it was good for the first few seasons, and then less good, and then wtf. It mirrors the reading experience.
I've held off on reading The Expanse books because I started the story through the audio-visual medium and I wanted that to play out. Plus my present life and livelihood makes it hard to invest the time into reading a 9-volume science fiction series. It was easier to just watch it on television. But now that we may or may not get the rest of The Expanse adapted for the screen, I'm going to read the last three books of the story. I am 99.999% certain I can finish it before The Winds of Winter hits the bookshelves -- and I have serious doubts whether GRRM (or myself) will live long enough to see the end of ASOIAF.
@@HistoryGarden I agree they are totally different. One is fantasy with way too many sub plots. Expanse is a little more grounded I feel. Populations that react yes but each book has a problem and almost a problem solved each time
I cant believe they have left the show as is . I dont read books but i need the story so i may have to read them.
Without reading the books or having these analysis I wouldn't know half of this stuff. It is NOT well portrayed in the series at all. I loved the series. And while I don't think they have to spell everything out, I think most people missed half the nuggets that were there. I've seen them all and I still can't really even tell the importance of the proto molecule LOL. Oh well. Some things you just have to be happy to enjoy at a basic level. The realism of the series was fantastic.
My favorite part due to casting is that he just looks like a normal guy. In my head in the books he was your typical grand moff gone mad but in the show, he's just a normal dude who sacrificed the dream of Mars for a believed higher purpose
Very interesting character!