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- čas přidán 3. 12. 2019
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A look at the UniFi Building Bridge (model UBB-US). The UBB-US is a pair of pre-configured 60GHz radios with 5GHz backup.
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The great thing is we finally have a wireless brige we can connect into our Unifi Controller! I hope they include other models too!
"I feel a tingle" - Chris 2019
The color changing LEDs would be useful if there are several on the same pole, like when connecting a main building to 2 or more other buildings so you know which antenna is for which building without having to eyeball it.
Love this packaging because I don't get attached to it, I hate throwing out nice packaging.
Throwing away packagings help you more than what you find in them.
Chris would just fling it onto the floor if it was nice.
the force is strong with 60ghz, can feel it in my head too
The GPS receiver is used to gather a timing reference for the modulator and demodulator on the antenna. They have their own local oscillator but each oscillator from the opposing antennas need to by synchronized.
I have eight sets of these installed at a hotel complex, linking accommodation blocks back to the reception block. They have been very effective so far for the last 6 months. One thing to note though is to install the links in a zig jag pattern to avoid overthrow, have at least 50cm between UBB units (on the same pole) to avoid interface. Do a channel plan so that adjacent links don't use the same 60 GHz channels. You won't get 100 percent link quality unless you follow these steps, but rather 66 percent or less, and have weird issues like dropouts.
Will be better to use different channels
I have seven sets on order for a large set I am setting up. Can't wait for them to get here in early March
I think that the CH width will come in play when the link is long-range. As for the color picking, I feel it will be a good thing to have when you have more than one on the tower and able to ID each one by color.
i like that it is unifi, nice to have everything in one controller
I just deployed my first set. They work really nice, but be patient when trying to set them up. They take a long time to update and adopt
We use the Mikrotik Wireless Wire 60Ghz pairs in our WISP, they work good for short distances. Actually hooked up some today. The 60 and 24 Ghz radios when in our office when setting them up, I do feel a little strange after sitting around them. I do think we may use the Unifi Building Bridge because it would hook into our ISP Unifi network easy, so the extra cost for easy of setup may be worth it.
I used to with as a news cameraman and whenever we had to set an microwave uplink to the station, we could totally feel the heat when passing or waving our hands in front of it. We sometimes had to bounce the signal off a building and if someone was by the window, he could also feel some heat hehe.
what awesome packaging, plain borwn boxes always have the best gear
7:18 It is not just you. There's a noticeable "fuzz" when I stick my hand between them.
Another great video Chris. I liked at the end of your UDM video you gave your opinion on who this device is for. I think you should add your opinion to more of your videos for example why would you want to purchase this device over the Nano station you reviewed in the past.
The one time they didn't provide a quick start guide that Chris normally throws away, he notices lol.
To be a valid throughput test, you should test a direct wire connection between your workstation and the linux server. YOu will propably find that even with a direct connection, you can't get any more data throughput. You would need several workstations talking to several iperf servers to saturate the link
Love your vids man!
The tickle is real haha..
I felt it too when I tested the nanobeams in my office.. I even get the weird feeling when setting up access points like the nanohd right next to me.. can’t be good to sit next to them for a longer period..
I'm installing this next week, hope it works as expected.
I could see the RGB led being useful if you have multiple links and color coding them.
2:42 does the Chris Box fling part 1 - 2:59 part 2 = BRILLIANT
I think one installation upgrade on this setup is the shielded CAT6 they recommend. I've done a 3 mile point to point with Air Fiber 5XHD and the grounding , surge protectors and shielded CAT6 has a noticeable effect. I actually am deploying one of these UBB-US on a 400ft building to building span in a few weeks. Computer LAB on receiver side is going to push the limits and put this thing to the test. Let us know if you find the tweaks to push a full asynchronous Gigabit link!
Jerry, did you finish this project? How did it go?
pour one out for Jerry@@flcusat
I’m wondering if the degradation of signal strength was poor alignment on the narrower freq?? If so, re-alignment would increase the bandwidth.
I have had issues with wireless network connections not allowing for full throughput potential when only using 1 concurrent stream. I use the iperf3 command -P and usually at least 3 - 10 simultaneous streams and typically walk down from 10 to see how many streams it takes to hit a limit on throughput. I would be curious to know if the throughput shows faster running multiple simultaneous streams with the -P option.
You can feel the waves
Great review...Would love to see a maximum distance test at 60Ghz
Thanks!
How would these compare to using the nanostation types for a similar situation?
Have you tried to break the pair? if the far side of the bridge gets struck by lightening, have you tried to take a new pair and only install 1 new device to the existing other device?
Does do PTmP by chance? I have 3 buildings that could use this actually.
Great! Thank you! Keep it up!!
Can you compare this to nanostations, nanobeams and/or litebeams?
What is the ping response? (Latency) as we have old software that hates anything over 1ms (and will be super slow). If you ping local device or gateway for few minutes, does it go above 1ms?
The 14 year old version of me really digs the label on that box. :)
LOL took me asec but I get it ha ha
Love the videos. I use so much ubiquiti it’s fun to hear someone else go through jt and give opinions. I will agree their link “speeds” are typically just plain wrong. I would love to hear their engineer explain why.
My home Unifi addiction resulted in Two Nano beam M5's then Nanobeam Gen2 5Ghz followed by two Building to Building bridges -_-
4 Acres of full Wifi with UAP-AC-M and Uap-Ac-Pro.
so much fun!
So it's the "Giga Beam", UniFi version.
I was so close to ordering this package but decided on the AirMax Giga Beams since I knew for definite I could run VLAN's over the bridge with the conventional UI in AirOS. Now, with that said, can you manually allow these to pass VLAN's over the bridge?
I don't see why they wouldn't allow this feature, along with a management VLAN but I didn't want to gamble with a 50/50 chance in ordering these for nearly twice the money and that not be a ready feature possibly.
Do you have to use a Unifi controller for this or can they work directly into an existing network setup?
Can you enable WDS and hence have dot1q VLANs / Trunks propagating across the bridge?
Great video. Has anyone been able to get these to work using Hostifi or another hosted controller platform other than a UDM-Pro ?
Question about this product. Is it possible to wirelessly uplink the bridge from an existing unifi AP? Specifically one of the new Dream Machines? For example, if I have the dream machine in a house and the first part of the bridge on a pole outside the house, would it be possible to wirelessly uplink to the Dream Machine without having to run a wire to the pole outside the house?
Thanks for the video. I have a couple of questions. (1) I have a line of sight between two buildings 450 feet apart. In building 1 I need to deploy 2 to 4 G4 or G4-pro quality cameras. Can I put the Unifi Protect NVR (mostly likely a Cloud Key Gen 2 Plus) in Building 2 using the Unifi Building to Building Bridge? (2) Would I better be served with the Nano Beam Wi-Fi Bridge, and again can I have the NVR reside in Building 2 where the ethernet modem connection resides? Your comments or recommendations are greatly appreciated. Love all your CZcamss. You're truly helping out us small volunteer DYI guys.
If you have 2 or more bridges, changing led color can be used to identify each bridge without use "Identify" option in Unifi Controller.
Hey, do you think the could be any problems using two of those building to building bridges at the same time?
We have 2 buildings and the distance between them is around 400-500m. Do you know if they will work properly or we should consider Ubiquiti airMAX GigaBeam Long-Range 60/5 GHz Radio or Ubiquiti AF5?
Hello. Thanks for the excellent video. To ensure proper functionality, is it necessary to have both a Unifi switch and a Unifi controller, or can we simply connect the ubb-xg-us to any switch? Currently, we have several UniFi APs in use, and we manage them through the UniFi administration portal, which is installed on a server.
Does the access point of this system also have wifi for devices to connect to the network that are near it or do I still need an access point for it as well
Would have been a good test to run the iperf with a Hard-wire first to see if there are any speed issues that are not related to the link.
When I was setting up some cpe gear i felt that same tickle
just found this video. Can you do more than 2? I'm guessing not since you can't buy them in 3 or just 1. I have 2 out buildings I would like to connect to my main network.
You used channel 2, but did it have channel 3,4,5? What kind of beam width? Was it beamforming? Did it have a signal meter to help point it ? Most 60ghz is extremely sensitive to the aim.
Generally channel two is in the worst part of the spectrum with max O2 attenuation, it may have hit a gig in 64mghz or higher if it has it. Tik can do 66ghz and cambium wave and siklu are pushing higher freq with next releases so it would be interesting if UBnt follows with upper 60 bands too.
This information is very useful, thank you! Trying to get a wireless 60 Ghz solution and I need the HIGHEST throughput possible. It's frustrating trying to figure out what will be best to buy :\
Do you know if we can used two litebeams M5 to extend a unifi Mesh network for public hotspot?
the litebeams will be ptp, then the unifi ac m connected to the litebeams m5 will it ever work?
what happen is that a lot of time the satellites ac M go isolated and disconnect, and it takes long time to reconnect to the network. it frequently happens when using the Wireless Uplink function.
Can you join 802.11AD clients (eg Snapdragon 855 smartphone) to one of these APs (not bridge mode)?
You can use the -R switch on iperf3 to reverse the data transmission without having to switch between consoles
Great tip - thanks!
@@CrosstalkSolutions Can you run iperf3 -P 4 ?
So you dont need a switch on the station end......do you have to have one on the AP end ?........or can you just treat it like a piece of network cable.....
Would this device be a good tool to connect a network from a main house to a guest house wirelessly? The price point seems high for this application, wondering if you could recommend any other solutions.
Does the receiver side have 2 Ethernet ports? Is a unifi switch required on the receiving side?
I am having trouble with the setup I’m trying to do. The cloud key I’m using is remote and connected to our network via the VPN. I can’t figure out how to adopt this device via ssh or the web interface since it likes to have both transmitter and receiver in the same network..
Imagine having some of those on your building at night with the RGB-LEDs.
great.....tks
Great video! I'm about to go this route, as opposed to the NanoStations I've installed in the past, just for the Unifi management capability. I have a friend who wants to put this one on a roof, and I may need to use an 8-foot pole to get clear line of sight. When you point this AP to a pole (like you did in your video), do you need to ground the pole in some specific way?
Chris, what is the benefit of this setup vs the Backyard PTMP? I currently have a wireless bridge using 3 UAP-AC-PRO's to go from building 1 to building 2. I'm getting ready to add a 3rd building and am trying to determine how to best approach it. All buildings are around 50 meters away from the "home station". All buildings have a direct line of sight to the "home station". Thanks in advance and great videos.
Don't use mesh to hook up buildings unless you're just hooking up a simple AP for something not too important.
I have been trying to get my hand on a pair of these or the Gigabeams for awhile but both are out of stock. Is the a major difference between the two other than the Building to Building bridge is pre configured?
Hi, Is this ok to install for a distance of about 465meters
What ist der difference between this devices (UBB) and the (GBE)? Of course there is no LED ring.
Nice to have PtP in the Unifi range but still over-priced, given the 60GHz GigaBeam is way cheaper.
Great vid Chris - Thx! Looking at installing 2 sets, 2 Host ends on a J Mount on the building, to 2 Docks where there is 1 AP per dock. Question is will 2 UBB hosts on the same J mount work well, or will there be interference? If I had to separate the Host UBB's, by how much would you recommend?
What to you thing about installing 1 Host upside down (180 deg. at both ends) to reverse the polarity?
How about latency test result? Want to know p2p ping test result.
10:29 This kind of stuff is always confusing because the ethernet controller is 1 Gigabit, but that's 1 Gigabit both ways simultaneously or 2 Gbps throughput. So maybe it's saying it's 1.75 Gbps total capacity as in the equivalent of if it were full duplex. So it can send and receive at the same time at rates of about 800-ish Mbps. That's what I would assume anyway. Which would be absolutely fantastic.
Great video. What is the difference between using this setup and two of the new gigabeams that are still listed in early access?
Steve Switz gigabeams do not have UniFi connectivity. Likely similar performance, different ecosystem.
Great information. Thanks. I have installed UISP products such as airMax which are less expensive that the building-to-building and very satisfied. Wonder if you had a chance to compare them?
So based on the info on the site and this, you can put a switch and AP on the other side of these and it will all share the same subnet and it just acts like a wireless feeding the other side. Am I correct on this?
@Matthew Summers - Yes
What’s the difference between these and the nanobeam
Took the UBB-US kit out of the box and have been unable to even start setting it up. Very frustrating. Even pulled in the owner of our consultant firm who bounced ideas off all his engineers. Bought a new gen 2 cloud key also. We already use Unify APs and switches as well as the 1st gen cloud key controllers. Unable to get to 192.168.1.20 no matter what. Nothing is working.
Any ideas?
When it says 1.75Gbps, it's referring to total. E.g. a 1Gbps ethernet interface is actually 2Gbps, 1Gbps each direction. Right?
Dave Lucre correct. He doesn't understand full and half duplex networking well in the video.
it could be they using the gps for signal synchronization
Finally, a gaming PtP link
/s
I know access to fiber ISP may not be present in your area, but I'd love to see you both review the UF-WiFi for range and see what bridge/repeater options there are should one want to extend the range of these little devices.
I assume that you can change the color of the LED ring for identification purposes on a tower... Can you shut the led ring off altogether?
Set to black?
Up to how much distance can this ptp work?? Please tell me if someone knows this
Any idea on the latency? Do you lose much?
Other than being on the UniFi controller, it seems that the 2 nanobeams would be a better choice or am I missing something?
How do these look in the Unifi topology?
Would really be nice to start seeing 10gb ports on newer wifi equipment. 1gb has been the standard for almost 2 decades now
Your wish has been granted.
The first time I setup my UAP-AC-Lite I got a metallic taste in my mouth. I also get it with the UAP-AC-Pro's that I setup for a client.
I am thinking of setting up a building to building bridge for 2 apartment buildings. Currently I have separate wifi networks for each unit. Currently I have 6. If I install the bridge can I add another 6 wifi networks on the other side of the bridge. Each unit has their own AP. Thank you in advance!
Hello everyone.
Does anyone know which devices goes where? The UBB XG US comes with Station and Access Point, what's the difference?
Mikrotik has a much cheaper kit version of these 60GHz devices (RBLHGG-60adkit). They are already preconfigured, just point to one another, power on and it works. Distance between devices can be 1500m and more, but on long distances, on 60GHz WiFi spectrum, even the weather (rain, fog, snow) affects the signal quality and data throughput. I'm running this link on 300m and it works like charm. Recommend!
I use these too. I wish they had the same mount as NanoBeams.
What is the realistic distance of this setup?
I have both antennas plugged in to the same switch and it bring the network down. Did you have both devices plugged in to the same switch?
Hi Chris, Is there encryption on the networks config for the 60Ghz and 5Ghz radios? Can you set your own keys?
Were you able to find out? I'm curious myself.
Hi Chris
Thank you for the video
Can you set this up PTMP mode ?
Y J strictly PTP from what I’ve read.
Good day.
I have a customer who has to connect 2 buildings via PTP. The distance is about 200m with a clear view. It needs a 1 gigabit connection. Now I have seen this video and the 60 GHZ product cannot even deliver 1 gigabit. Is there a product from Ubiquiti that can definitely deliver 1 gigabit? If so, or more, what would you recommend?
According to AirLink, even the airFiber 5XHD would deliver the performance. And that "only" works with 5 GHZ.
Thank you for the video. I have a couple of questions. The side of the bridge that is NOT directly connected to the network (the one on the tree in your case)....how is that powered? Will I need a POE switch on that end? I am trying to get wifi access from our main building, across a parking lot (about 50 feet) and into another steel building. The Ubiquity folks suggested this as an option. I appreciate your feedback.
Yes ideally you'd want a poe switch at the remote site location as well.
You can use a switch or a POE injector. The UBB boxes come with injectors and short power cables
What if one side gets, damaged, hit by lightning, etc? Can you replace one side and configure it to the bridge like airMax?
Great question...since they come pre-configured as a set, I assume that you would have to replace both. But again - that is just my educated guess.
I suppose you can connect UniFi devices of both ends of the connection I.e. a switch? Thinking real world
I would also like to know this.
Hey Chris and the Crosstalk team. I am considering purchasing a set of airfiber units I am wondering if I could paint them? I would be more that willing to explain my reasoning if warranted. Wanting to hear what y’all think.
using SSD or HDD on your client or server? That speed is pretty low.
17:03 You should have run both tests simultaneously when you changed the channel width. Capacity SHOULD increase with a bigger channel width just as it does for 5 Ghz and 2.4 Ghz so I'm surprised it didn't look like it was any faster....but maybe if you run them both at the same time it would show an increase in capacity? I'm trying to buy a 60 Ghz bridge right now and want to make sure I make the right choice and effective bandwidth is a big factor for me and the speeds you are showing simply aren't going to be enough. :(
on the Ubiquiti Building Bridge UBB can you disable the 60 ghz range and only use 5 ghz?