Honestly Ward’s character was the highlight of Iron Fist for me. Tom Pelphrey was probably the best actor in the show and he absolutely carried every scene he was given above and beyond. It’s pretty painful having to watch the show and see just how horribly everybody treats him, especially Joy, for whom he spent his whole life enduring during abuse just to protect.
Joy made it pretty clear how she thinks about being lied to for 12 years and Danny destroying everything she worked so hard for. I don't understand why she is so disliked? Her evolving to a villain is really awesome.
This is a great scene with Tom being a terrific actor, only ruined by the writers using Joy as a plot device to generate conflict even though it flies in the face of her character as established in season 1. She literally just brushes off the major revelation that her father was physically and emotionally abusive towards her brother like it's nothing and it makes zero sense for her character.
I see where you're coming from... But they do sort of talk about it In the show and its actually a pretty awesome scene. But I get why you would think that it's easy to miss. I thought the same for a while until I rewatched it for the 10th time 😂 Joy didn't really get too much exposure to their dad's abusive side (post resurrection) and she barely knows anything about what the hand can do.
@@damirzlatkic8134 that’s what they are saying. During season 1, she was the first to open up to the possibility that Danny is who he is. So now, Ward just poured his heart out, broke down for the first time and told Joy the truth and she brushed it off like so. It’s a total 180 from who she was during season 1
Honestly you can see it in her eyes when she realizes she's in the wrong but doesn't want to admit it. Amazing acting from both of this actors. One of my favorite scenes of the whole show.
@@jg2722 I think it’s more that she’s not an idiot she’s knows full well it’s not ward or Danny’s fault for what it was her fathers Harold. But she just can’t admit because it’s her dad so she’s blaming everything on the people who really did care about her. It’s a simple I’m sorry I was stubborn and stupid and was wrong but she can’t just say that.
@@ZephyrBW true but joy was gaslighting the whole time. She has to know that whatever Danny did wasn’t his fault. His intentions were always good. Even Claire was like “ you have some sort of innocence to you “ to Danny. Which is why I don’t understand how she’s mad at ward or Danny for simply caring for her. Harold was the one to blame , that dude was psycho. And when Ward told joy what Harold did to him, she acted like she didn’t even care.
@@jg2722 she has major daddy issues and need for approval which causes the feeble mind to seek out any higher ranking authority figures blessing an approval to gain, self-worth and satisfaction to one’s self.
This really does explain a lot about ward's behavior, and it gives insight as to why he came across so self destructive to me, not mention once Harold appeared you could see ward becoming less sure and confident, I'd wish he had told joy long ago about what kind of person their father really was but, I don't believe he could shatter the illusion she had her father nor could he fully break free of Harold's hold over him.
Joy didn't react this way in the first season with Ward when she found out that Harold was alive. She reacted pretty normally and was aware of everything. She just took out her anger on Ward for no reason.
Louisiana Boy James I can understand her being angry at her brother and father for putting her in a terrible position but blaming/taking her anger out at Danny because her life fell apart after he came back when we all know whose fault it was. I just wished listened and understood that everyone in her life was just trying to keep her safe but she was blinded by the fact that Harold was her father and that she just got him back.
@@milandavis4825 Joy's an idiot. She knew it wasn't their fault who did all this messed up stuff but she couldn't take it out on Harold because she was despite to be daddy's little girl. 1:18 Danny never said he was a hero, you're just making another BS like Harold to justify your crap, Joy literally became Harold's true monster.
Dj Raed, see you just show that people are mysoginistic towards female characters who had enough of the lies. I don't say she was right or anything but 'women' isn't a good a enough reason.
joy is the worst character of the show Her motives makes 0 sense. she is really bad written. she wants to kill danny and ward because they lied to her about harold. JESUS WHO TF SAYS THAT? "danny ruined my life". 😑😑😑
I wouldn't say she has no motives, what happened to her in season 1 wasn't easy but she's so caught up in this victim complex that it doesn't occur to there are other people that were hurt. You could even see Joy partially breaking when Ward is shoving the truth in her face but she needs to be angry otherwise how can she justify everything she did. This being said, I don't like her either
@@rockinangel0159 very well put. you can see in her eyes when he tells her about the abuse that shes heartbroken actually. But as you said she wont show it / surpresses it bc of her own reasons. They may seem stupid but I think she has a right to be hurt and to wallow a little. Although if there wouldve been a season 3 , i like to think that Joy would see that Ward is just another victim of their dad's manipulative / abusive mania and that she shouldnt blame him for everything. He got it the worst. Poor guy. I like his character bc he is in The Shit but tries to be better and is changing and growing.
@@pavelinaodkonjsk3907 i feel like ward and joys characters went in completely different directions. Ward had character growth where he went from being a complete asshole to someone trying to be empathetic and trying to patch things up with his family, Joys character took a nosedive as she went from someone trying their best to support ward and danny to a jerk trying to kill danny and refusing to acknowledge what her brother went through. She even told ward in s1 that no matter what he needed to tell her, she would always be his sister and would always love him. Yeah that didnt happen.
They did a terrible job at making the whole joy conflict unrealistic when Danny and ward obviously would’ve told joy that Harold was an evil psychopath who murdered Danny’s parents and murdered several people after that, and physically abused ward his whole life, and if they’d told joy Harold was alive the hand would’ve KILLED her
Yeah but from her point of view she everyone around her lie to her one after another. When the truth was revealed Joy felt her whole was one huge lie so of course she'd have some justified issues. (Even though she was wrong for what she did)
Ward really had the best character development in the series. He started off as the snarky asshole from the start, then realize he was abused by his father. Then, he came around in the end and became the brother Danny wanted him to be. Tom Pelphery played the role really well.
Tom Pelphrey literally blew me away in Ozark s3 so I came back to this scene to appreciate his talent in this show. He truly made the character of Ward special this season. Hopefully the MCU doesn’t miss out on him, whenever they do their next Iron Fist reboot show. 🤞🏾
You know what pisses me off with Joy. She’s so stubborn and she got major daddy issues. First, Ward did right for not telling that their father had made a deal with a devil and became an emissary of evil only because he probably would have killed her
Exactly! I hate when people say that she's a bad written character and that her actions don't make sense. She's not a bad character, she's a bad person. She justifies her actions by falling into a victim mentality and choosing to stay there. She even admits herself that doing this all to Danny and not to Ward doesn't make much sense but because she loves Ward more she couldn't get herself to do it to him.
@@angiewinchester3384 yeah exactly mate. That's why i love these mcu netflix shows the writing is so damn good. Even hated characters that are meant to be hated are a pleasure to watch as confusing that sounds.
Wait so let me get this straight, so Danny killed Harold because he killed his parents but Joy seems to hate Danny because he killed her dad! But doesn’t seem to understand what he actually was
I was really happy how at the end she gets what she deserves and what she asked for. She is now Walker's bitch and she can't really go to the others definitely not Colleen who was looking for a good reason to beat her ass after finding out what she did to not just Danny but all of them. And it was Joy herself who said she didn't want Ward, Danny or anybody in her life wish granted.
@@markgoodwin9948 I haven't seen this video since I posted this but both of these actors killed it here. You can see Joy realizing she was wrong but too proud to admit it
@@markgoodwin9948 I literally came here because of this. I'm in the middle of Ozark and Googled him to see if I know him from anywhere. Was shocked to find out he was Ward from Iron Fist
@@joevictor53 Do yourself a favor and watch Banshee. It's such a great show. Tom Pelphrey's only in one season, same as Ozark, but it's easily the best performance of his I've seen. He killed it in Ozark, too. This guy's acting is off the scale.
They just needed an antagonist to move the story along, without the hand they chose davos and joy. I rather they just sideline joy instead of having joy be this bitch character.
Why is everyone so mysoginistic? If Joy would be a man everyone would be on her side. She was lies tomfor 12 years and shot. I wouldn't be pleased too.
When I first watched this show I was beginning to hate Ward from the start for how he treated poor Danny but don't get me wrong it's nice that he had character development but the things he's done and what he put his whole family through was completely unforgivable sure his father was cruel to him but i still feel like his past actions shouldn't have gone unpunished and to be honest it would have been more satisfying to see Danny kick Ward's ass for all the bullying he put him through as a child because there were some moments in this show were I felt like he really deserved a beat down.
Honestly Ward’s character was the highlight of Iron Fist for me. Tom Pelphrey was probably the best actor in the show and he absolutely carried every scene he was given above and beyond. It’s pretty painful having to watch the show and see just how horribly everybody treats him, especially Joy, for whom he spent his whole life enduring during abuse just to protect.
Couldn't agree more. As much I hate joy... I'm pretty sure it was intentional for her to be a disliked character.
Joy made it pretty clear how she thinks about being lied to for 12 years and Danny destroying everything she worked so hard for.
I don't understand why she is so disliked? Her evolving to a villain is really awesome.
@@angeloliver7613 she's pretty selfish and only thinks about herself, that's not awesome
@@angeloliver7613 she even admit it that what have she done to danny is totally wrong. she was simply too proud to apologize
God damn, Tom acted circles around the rest of the cast in this show.
He really did
Tom pelphreys acting in this scene is amazing
Fuck yes, he got nice and comfortable in this role and didn't disappoint. Better in this season then season one, and he didn't disappoint then.
Honestly I’d say he might be the best actor in this entire show. I don’t know if I would’ve made it through season one without him.
Then he go and does Ozark and blows us all away showing the potential he could’ve gave more into this show had it would have continued.
This is a great scene with Tom being a terrific actor, only ruined by the writers using Joy as a plot device to generate conflict even though it flies in the face of her character as established in season 1.
She literally just brushes off the major revelation that her father was physically and emotionally abusive towards her brother like it's nothing and it makes zero sense for her character.
I see where you're coming from... But they do sort of talk about it In the show and its actually a pretty awesome scene. But I get why you would think that it's easy to miss. I thought the same for a while until I rewatched it for the 10th time 😂 Joy didn't really get too much exposure to their dad's abusive side (post resurrection) and she barely knows anything about what the hand can do.
@@damirzlatkic8134 that’s what they are saying. During season 1, she was the first to open up to the possibility that Danny is who he is. So now, Ward just poured his heart out, broke down for the first time and told Joy the truth and she brushed it off like so. It’s a total 180 from who she was during season 1
Honestly you can see it in her eyes when she realizes she's in the wrong but doesn't want to admit it. Amazing acting from both of this actors. One of my favorite scenes of the whole show.
Because then she'd have to admit what she did was for nothing. Which really selfish if ya ask me.
@@ZephyrBWtypical petty woman behavior. The type to blame everyone but herself.
@@jg2722 I think it’s more that she’s not an idiot she’s knows full well it’s not ward or Danny’s fault for what it was her fathers Harold. But she just can’t admit because it’s her dad so she’s blaming everything on the people who really did care about her.
It’s a simple I’m sorry I was stubborn and stupid and was wrong but she can’t just say that.
@@ZephyrBW true but joy was gaslighting the whole time. She has to know that whatever Danny did wasn’t his fault. His intentions were always good. Even Claire was like “ you have some sort of innocence to you “ to Danny. Which is why I don’t understand how she’s mad at ward or Danny for simply caring for her. Harold was the one to blame , that dude was psycho. And when Ward told joy what Harold did to him, she acted like she didn’t even care.
@@jg2722 she has major daddy issues and need for approval which causes the feeble mind to seek out any higher ranking authority figures blessing an approval to gain, self-worth and satisfaction to one’s self.
This really does explain a lot about ward's behavior, and it gives insight as to why he came across so self destructive to me, not mention once Harold appeared you could see ward becoming less sure and confident, I'd wish he had told joy long ago about what kind of person their father really was but, I don't believe he could shatter the illusion she had her father nor could he fully break free of Harold's hold over him.
Joy was out of line trying to make herself the victim of wards abuse
Tom Pelphrey as Ward. Fantastic.
Joy didn't react this way in the first season with Ward when she found out that Harold was alive. She reacted pretty normally and was aware of everything. She just took out her anger on Ward for no reason.
She is angry at everyone for being lied to
It was bad writing honestly. It doesn’t make sense for the „joy“ character we knew from season 1 to go vs Danny and turn evil
I hate how Joy treated Danny and Ward that season.
Louisiana Boy James I can understand her being angry at her brother and father for putting her in a terrible position but blaming/taking her anger out at Danny because her life fell apart after he came back when we all know whose fault it was. I just wished listened and understood that everyone in her life was just trying to keep her safe but she was blinded by the fact that Harold was her father and that she just got him back.
@@milandavis4825 Joy's an idiot. She knew it wasn't their fault who did all this messed up stuff but she couldn't take it out on Harold because she was despite to be daddy's little girl.
1:18 Danny never said he was a hero, you're just making another BS like Harold to justify your crap, Joy literally became Harold's true monster.
women's
@@djraed5538 Not every woman is this level of stupid. Joy's level of stupid.
Dj Raed, see you just show that people are mysoginistic towards female characters who had enough of the lies. I don't say she was right or anything but 'women' isn't a good a enough reason.
I'm sorry but Joy really, really pisses me off.
You're not the only one
I hate joy to
women's
@@djraed5538 Yep
Amen🤦🏽♀️
joy is the worst character of the show
Her motives makes 0 sense. she is really bad written. she wants to kill danny and ward because they lied to her about harold. JESUS WHO TF SAYS THAT? "danny ruined my life". 😑😑😑
I wouldn't say she has no motives, what happened to her in season 1 wasn't easy but she's so caught up in this victim complex that it doesn't occur to there are other people that were hurt. You could even see Joy partially breaking when Ward is shoving the truth in her face but she needs to be angry otherwise how can she justify everything she did. This being said, I don't like her either
@@rockinangel0159 very well put. you can see in her eyes when he tells her about the abuse that shes heartbroken actually. But as you said she wont show it / surpresses it bc of her own reasons. They may seem stupid but I think she has a right to be hurt and to wallow a little. Although if there wouldve been a season 3 , i like to think that Joy would see that Ward is just another victim of their dad's manipulative / abusive mania and that she shouldnt blame him for everything. He got it the worst. Poor guy. I like his character bc he is in The Shit but tries to be better and is changing and growing.
@@pavelinaodkonjsk3907 i feel like ward and joys characters went in completely different directions. Ward had character growth where he went from being a complete asshole to someone trying to be empathetic and trying to patch things up with his family, Joys character took a nosedive as she went from someone trying their best to support ward and danny to a jerk trying to kill danny and refusing to acknowledge what her brother went through. She even told ward in s1 that no matter what he needed to tell her, she would always be his sister and would always love him. Yeah that didnt happen.
They did a terrible job at making the whole joy conflict unrealistic when Danny and ward obviously would’ve told joy that Harold was an evil psychopath who murdered Danny’s parents and murdered several people after that, and physically abused ward his whole life, and if they’d told joy Harold was alive the hand would’ve KILLED her
Yeah but from her point of view she everyone around her lie to her one after another. When the truth was revealed Joy felt her whole was one huge lie so of course she'd have some justified issues. (Even though she was wrong for what she did)
Ward really had the best character development in the series. He started off as the snarky asshole from the start, then realize he was abused by his father. Then, he came around in the end and became the brother Danny wanted him to be. Tom Pelphery played the role really well.
I need to hug that fukin man tf is Joy on
Tom Pelphrey literally blew me away in Ozark s3 so I came back to this scene to appreciate his talent in this show. He truly made the character of Ward special this season. Hopefully the MCU doesn’t miss out on him, whenever they do their next Iron Fist reboot show. 🤞🏾
I wonder if Joy knows that her father was responsible for what happened to Danny and his parents with the plane crashing.
Yep, she can go do one after all the times Danny saved her life and protected her with his purest intentions.
You know what pisses me off with Joy. She’s so stubborn and she got major daddy issues. First, Ward did right for not telling that their father had made a deal with a devil and became an emissary of evil only because he probably would have killed her
From the end of season 1 I undersrood immediatly that Joy would have been a total bitch, She Is not badly written, She Is written to be hated.
Exactly! I hate when people say that she's a bad written character and that her actions don't make sense. She's not a bad character, she's a bad person. She justifies her actions by falling into a victim mentality and choosing to stay there. She even admits herself that doing this all to Danny and not to Ward doesn't make much sense but because she loves Ward more she couldn't get herself to do it to him.
150% agree. Lol I literally wrote the same comment couple minutes ago
@@angiewinchester3384 yeah exactly mate. That's why i love these mcu netflix shows the writing is so damn good. Even hated characters that are meant to be hated are a pleasure to watch as confusing that sounds.
I agree. She’s written to be hated, and I’m all here for it.
Wait so let me get this straight, so Danny killed Harold because he killed his parents but Joy seems to hate Danny because he killed her dad! But doesn’t seem to understand what he actually was
It was Ward who killed Harold not Danny
@@mooingsage8138 have you finished season 1 yet, Danny is the one to actually kill Harold in the end
@@jacobatkins1908 I already finished it, it was Ward who killed Harold not Danny
@@jacobatkins1908 ward shot harold. i think you were drunk.
@@jacobatkins1908 ward kills harold dumbo
I was really happy how at the end she gets what she deserves and what she asked for. She is now Walker's bitch and she can't really go to the others definitely not Colleen who was looking for a good reason to beat her ass after finding out what she did to not just Danny but all of them.
And it was Joy herself who said she didn't want Ward, Danny or anybody in her life wish granted.
I liked Joy on the 1st season, but she became a disgusting witch on season 2, hoping she'd get the ultimate punishment
joy🤢
If you like tom pelphrey watch banshee. His best work
He killed his role in ozark season 3
He's my favorite part of every show he's in lol
@@markgoodwin9948 I haven't seen this video since I posted this but both of these actors killed it here. You can see Joy realizing she was wrong but too proud to admit it
@@markgoodwin9948 I literally came here because of this. I'm in the middle of Ozark and Googled him to see if I know him from anywhere. Was shocked to find out he was Ward from Iron Fist
@@joevictor53
Do yourself a favor and watch Banshee. It's such a great show. Tom Pelphrey's only in one season, same as Ozark, but it's easily the best performance of his I've seen. He killed it in Ozark, too. This guy's acting is off the scale.
They just needed an antagonist to move the story along, without the hand they chose davos and joy. I rather they just sideline joy instead of having joy be this bitch character.
Why is everyone so mysoginistic? If Joy would be a man everyone would be on her side. She was lies tomfor 12 years and shot. I wouldn't be pleased too.
The guy who plays Ward is with Kaley Cuoco now.
Now that this canon i want them to be the main villain
Ward and Joy aren't gonna be any sort of main villains moving forward, let's be honest.
Silver was the 1 for me in 90210..then annie
When I first watched this show I was beginning to hate Ward from the start for how he treated poor Danny but don't get me wrong it's nice that he had character development but the things he's done and what he put his whole family through was completely unforgivable sure his father was cruel to him but i still feel like his past actions shouldn't have gone unpunished and to be honest it would have been more satisfying to see Danny kick Ward's ass for all the bullying he put him through as a child because there were some moments in this show were I felt like he really deserved a beat down.
I hate joy. Damn worst character in the whole season.
When was this hinted
In season 1 we get no hint whatsoever that Harold was ever abusive right before he was resurrected
"The happiest time of my life was when you were dead" -Ward Meechum
He has a very uncanny resemblance to john malkovich
Nah dude more like Frank Whaley
@@dominicmoroney Who also plays Scarfe in Luke Cage. Nice.
Coming back to watch this just to say I hate joy
I started to hate Ward.
No one cares. She is a great written character
Here because of Ozark
Same!!!
Ward Adult
Everyone hatin on my girl, but she is a great character