Why Your Healthy Diet May be Making you Sick! (Hint: Oxalates) with Sally K. Norton, MPH
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- čas přidán 23. 07. 2024
- Are Oxalates Problematic for Everybody?
I was blessed with the opportunity to chat with Sally K. Norton, MPH about oxalates, her new book, Toxic Superfoods, and discuss why not all "healthy superfoods" are as healthy as we've been led to believe. In fact, they may be causing us all real issues!
Sally K. Norton, MPH holds a nutrition degree from Cornell University and a master’s degree in Public Health. Her book, “Toxic Superfoods: How Oxalate Overload is Making You Sick-and How to Get Better” was released in January 2023 and it's available everywhere books are sold. (Get it here: www.amazon.com/shop/make_oh )
For more information, visit SallyKNorton.com or follow Sally on CZcams and social media. She’s @sknorton and @toxicsuperfoods_oxalate_book (on Instagram), @BeFreeToThrive (on Facebook), and @BetterLowOx (on Twitter.)
0:00 Intro
0:40 Welcoming Sally K. Norton
1:30 What are oxalates? Why are they problematic? (plant toxins, oxalic acid)
2:35 A chelator that grabs minerals/industrial cleaner
3:00 Spinach is NOT a health food!
3:37 Spinach is dangerous! (Calcium deficiency!)
4:43 carnivore diet and oxalate dumping
4:50 oxalates and antibiotics/antibiotic use (ear infections, throat infections/strep throat, bladder infections/urinary tract infections (UTI's)
6:00 Peanut butter and potatoes aren't health foods either!
7:00 Almonds aren't health foods either! (Spain loves almonds)- mold contamination
8:17 Leaky gut, inflammation, and oxalate absorption
9:28 Wheat-free/grain-free/paleo diet and high oxalate foods
9:50 It's nuts to eat nuts!
10:30 Safety of carnivore diet vs. safety of high oxalate food diet
11:25 What comes first? Does inflammation/antibiotic use cause oxalate problems? Or do oxalate problems lead to inflammation/need for antibiotics? (Or both?) tolerance/vulnerability and exposure
12:14 Seasonality and exposure: why convenience makes us sick! Vegetables all year!
12:58 Dark chocolate sadly isn't healthy either, and wine? (Alzheimer's)
13:00 Oxalate tolerance and vulnerability: antibiotics, pain medications, gut, liver, kidney health, trauma, surgeries - more oxalate absorption
14:59 The liver doesn't detox oxalates, it creates oxalate! Kidneys excrete it. There is no oxalate metabolism!
15:22 Oxalates secreted in urine, saliva, tears (eye irritation), skin (eczema), colon
16:05 Oxalates can kill anybody. They're a universal poison!
16:20 Oxalate overload symptoms: mood problems, aches and pains, stomach issues, anxiety, kidney, urinary tract problems
17:00 Oxalates like a bacteria that can cause bladder inflammation and oxalate crystals- mast cells, immune reaction which lead to UTI symptoms.
17:52 Oxalate dumping symptoms: UTI symptoms (cloudy urine, urgency)
18:45 Toxic Superfoods book and more oxalate issue symptoms: eczema, brain fog, fatigue, Bartholin cysts
19:33 My high oxalate diet: matcha with chia seeds, celery with almond butter
20:40 The body protects the organs from oxalate damage!
21:30 Not just kidney stones- everyone can have (various) issues
22:12 Do probiotics help oxalate problems? sensitivity or tolerance? Smoking analogy
Oxalate is a poison!
24:10 The "experts" ignore the problem
26:40 Healthy living bloggers: issues even when eating "healthy diets" (legumes)
27:30 Oxalate disclaimer- I was WRONG! (Sweet potatoes aren't healthy either!)
30:27 Low oxalate diet can help with food intolerances
30:50 Where can we find Sally Norton? Get her book, Toxic Superfoods! Easy switches to low oxalate foods (Spinach for romaine lettuce)
Lots of references
32:50 I drink oxalates (tea) to have some oxalates and not quit cold turkey while on a carnivore diet! Carnivore diet benefits for healing the gut!
34:20 Conclusion
Sally is so spot on here! If we didn't care about people, we would just let people go over the cliff. I'm a retired Respiratory Therapist and bucked the system for 30 years! Health care is not about health. It's about money!
Been steroid dependent 56 years. They have taken my money and all the drugs,never helped.
I do feel better juicing. The med system,is corporate and not to help ppl
@user-ds8fq8cp2f You feel better, but, are you better?
I bought the book. Very helpful. I wish we didn't have to eat. Seems like everything is inflammatory. I'm so tired.
I've been doing very well on the carnivore diet and feel like I'm healing and more nourished. I hope you can find something that works well for you and that you can actually enjoy while feeling better!
I was carnivore for three months to care of all my inflammatory symptoms, but I ended up with diabetes!! Turns out ( after much research) that eating no carbs made my pancreas lazy to produce insulin and my blood sugars remained high. My cholesterol sky high too. I think the lesson I learned is we need to just listen to our bodies no strict, eliminating diets.
#thenaturalhumandiet #primaldiet #aajonusvonderplanitz
@@cardiyansane1414 Diabetes after three months? How was that diagnosed?
My blood sugar has been progressively improving,
@@cardiyansane1414 This is virtually impossible. Anyone reading this: This _will_not_happen_ to you.
Another underlying issue, perhaps, but not carnivore by itself.
I ate a low fat vegetarian diet for 25 years. Cooked my own foods - nothing prepared.
My reward was TWO PRIMARY CANCERS.
Kidney and breast. I have no identified genetic risk. When I delved into the literature, I realized I was eating the highest oxalate foods. I believe I may have contributed to my cancers by eating a "healthy" plant-based diet.
Cancers effectively treated. Joint pain gone... I feel GREAT.
Now I'm ketovore and I feel SOOOO much better than I have for 25 years. For a couple of years, I've been eating no plants at all and my bone density is UP from my last DEXA scan a few years ago... I am no longer osteopenic. I'm stunned by this - I'm 68! Gut pain is gone - my plant based diet caused a good bit of gut pain.
Thank you for this talk!
I'm so sorry to hear about your cancers, but very happy to hear they have been treated and that you are feeling much better!
It's so sad that this issue isn't talked about more. I'm glad this book came out, though, and that more people are becoming aware of the problem!
Oh wow. Yes, sooo sorry you had to go through the cancer(s!!), but so very glad you're on the other side of that! I'm 67, have been dealing with lyme for about 4 yrs now, but eating green smoothies most days, *packed* with spinach, for maybe the better part of a year, feeling beyond horrible and feeling little hope for ever feeling good again. But! just tuned into carnivore eating and am actually just going to start a carnivore diet in a couple days. I'm afraid to feel too hopeful, but boy, I'll have my fingers crossed. Your story is an inspiration. My cousin eats a total vegan diet and has the absolute worse health, getting worse every year, but would never, ever touch meat--she's told me as much. Anyway...thank you for taking the time to post your comment.
@@yogaexercise9637 I just saw your comment before watching the video, so maybe it's already mentioned, but try to lower your oxalate intake slowly as going down too fast causes the oxalate to be released from tissue faster than the kidneys can handle. It's known as oxalate dumping. You'll start to feel better after ditching the green smoothies, I think. About your cousin, I can empathize. I was vegan for less than a year but when I was in it, I felt I was never going back. I think that there is something sort of traumatic about realizing that some other living thing has to die in order for us to live our best life. Veganism just needs more honest advertising. You can care about animals and want what is best for them, but would you sacrifice your own health and be miserable just so they could live? That's a decision nobody can make for you. I decided being miserable and having my body fall apart - and always looking over my shoulder wondering how much worse it was going to get - was more traumatic than eating meat. Once I started eating meat again, I didn't like doing it at first, but gradually my body sent the signal to me, "Yes. Please do this more."
@@yogaexercise9637 The best of luck with it to you too!
@@br2870 Sadly, I think I recall my cousin saying she'd let her own health go instead of eating animals...breaks my heart. We each have a choice huh. Unfortunately I did just go straight into carnivore--I'm one week in. My energy is horrible, but from what I've read, that's pretty normal. In some ways the overabundance of information is both a blessing and a curse--it's so great having to much information at our fingertips, but at times feels like a curse when you read/hear conflicting ideas/thoughts/opinions! ugh.. but I'm determined to work with diet to get my good health back!
I'm about the same age as Sally. I remember the Japanese mandarin oranges and nuts in the shell at Christmas only. I like her expression regarding year-round fruit, vegetables, and nuts: "this is not January food."
Definitely. I'm finding lots of healing with carnivore for now, but intuitively, I think that seasonality is big. I think if certain foods, especially fruits, are in season, then having them in reasonable amounts makes sense.
I actually have an almond tree at home, but even if I ate all of the almonds that my tree gives, I wouldn't be able to make loaves of almond flour bread.
If I were living more naturally, I would eat a few almonds every few days. I'd have to crack each one open, and would be content with just a few- and I'd use them up during their season or they would mold. Now it's so convenient to stuff our faces with these foods all of the time/all year- It makes no sense and it's really easy to go overboard.
@@Thethingswellmake what is the reason for eating nuts? Starvation? No, there is no reason to eat plant foods at this point in history besides entertainment.
I had an ultra high oxalate diet being “healthy” and eating green smoothies with my blender.
I very quickly developed joint pain, I thought I had arthritis. I went carnivore and my arthritis magically went into remission.
Because of Sally K. Norton I realized it was the oxalates that caused the joint problems.
I believe in freedom. I believe people should be able to do whatever they want, like smoke and drink alcohol. Everyone knows there will be consequences from these behaviors.
People need also know there is consequences from eating oxalates.
@@Thethingswellmake Fermentation is also key, historically speaking fermentation is how we ate and stored many fruits and vegetables.
@@ts31966 At the point I'm at right now, I'm not sure what I will be doing in the future. For now, I'm quite content on the carnivore diet and am basically down to zero oxalates (other than what's in the collagen and gelatin of the meat, etc.)
I guess what I was trying to say is that if I hadn't started eating food out of season and binging on foods that I wouldn't have been able to eat in large amounts had we not started hauling in a bunch of out-of-season foods all year long (all peeled, hulled, and made convenient), I probably would have never had problems in the first place.
My taste buds have definitely changed and I'm not bored and don't really feel I need any of those foods anymore, but have to keep monitoring everything and will see. 😏
@@ExplorationRandomDestination Maybe, yes, but I think there is controversy over if the fermentation has any effect on the oxalates. I'd need to look into it again.
As someone who unknowingly ate a very high oxalate diet for decades trying to be healthy (spinach, sweet potatoes, almonds,etc), I’m so grateful for continued coverage on this topic. Thank you for taking the time to create this. I’ve watched several interviews of Sally to help me with my own oxalate dumping issues and I learned some new points from your interview. I’m now dealing with the ramifications of oxalate dumping as confirmed by hospital tests showing a high level of oxalates in my urine while feeling extreme pain and fatigue. Sally’s book was an answer to the questions that have plagued me despite eating an incredibly ‘healthy’ diet. I’ve been digging myself out of the oxalate impact for over a year.
I rarely comment on videos, but often read the comments. I recognize that people often become frightened when they see something that challenges their beliefs, but I’m surprised that people who care enough about their physical health to watch this video, place so little value on the mental health of others as is evidenced by their unkind comments. Your compassionate and open responses to even the unkind comments on your video speaks volumes about where you are on your personal journey. I will always chose to listen to others who show curiosity, open mindedness, willingness to change their beliefs and compassion for others versus those that fight to protect their beliefs by attacking others. I hope others can learn from your example that how you interact with others, particularly those that don’t agree with you, is a reflection of where you are in your own journey to true health and healing.
Keep up the great work and best wishes as you continue to grow your spiritual, mental, emotional and physical wellbeing. ❤
Thank you so much! Your comment really means a lot to me! 🥰
I think I'm finally now just starting to get over some of the worst of the oxalate dumping cycles. (I'm about 11 months in now.)
At the time of the interview I thought I was getting better but then started having major cycles of dumping again for several months. I finally gave in and started upping my citrates (calcium, magnesium, and potassium) and that seems to have really helped me. I'm free of the eczema again and it doesn't seem to be coming back again this time. (Knock on wood!) I will continue with the protocol, though.
I really hope you find healing!
these anti-oxalate people are overreacting in the extreme. Except maybe for spinach and potatoes, the benefits of oxalate-rich foods far exceed the costs.
I had an interesting thing happen to me lately. I’ve begun the carnivore diet less than a week ago. Before beginning the diet I had begun eating just anything, especially breads. My teeth were hurting and sensitive. After I started carnivore, my teeth sensitivity dropped to nothing!! My teeth seem to particularly like butter. It’s a nice change.
That's a wonderful change! It could possibly have something to do with oxalates if they chelate the calcium from the bones as she mentioned. It could also have to do with more collagen and protein from the change in diet! Whatever it is, sounds like a good sign. 😏
I was diagnosed with Eosinophilic Esophagitis in 2007. I was told it’s allergy based. I was told to limit meat consumption and be very careful when eating it because it’s more likely to get stuck. I’ve finally come to realize that non animal foods were causing the flare ups in my esophagus. Since I went carnivore the spasms, burning and flares have started to disappear. I can tell instantly if I eat something contaminated with a trigger.
It's so frustrating how we've been deceived. I'm so happy to hear that you found something that worked for you! ❤❤
its not oxalate related its low adrenal function carnivore give you neurotransmitters to put it simple your own body should produce but adrenals affect the digestive and gastric enzymes and kidneys as well
Sally listens and speaks when it is her time, she does not step on others as they hold forth.
The poor interviewer seems to like to talk a bit more than she needs to speak. She curtailed a few points Sally was trying to make.
Just saying ...
@@hughmanetti1908😂😂
You have obviously never been out dancing with her!
Excellent interview. I am a cancer survivor and my Hail Mary pass was Car-T four years ago. I had a beautiful recovery and worked very hard to rebuild my health by eating lots of healthy, organic foods. I eliminated all processed sugars and wheat. I ate lots of salads, fruits, eggs, spinach, and all the other wonderful high oxalates foods you can imagine. About 2 1/2 years after my treatment, I began to notice bubbling in my urine and I had two UTIs over the course of a year. I take no medication and I never had a history of UTIs. I could not understand what was happening. I came across an article on high oxalate diets and started to eliminate them. I also took an IgG supplement concurrently as my IgG runs low due to the Car-t. My urine has cleared by at least 90%. I still eat the occasional offenders, but limit them significantly and continue to reduce them in my diet. I’m very grateful to have come across the information and appreciate Sally Norton’s work. Also, wonderful channel, Tracy. Just subscribed!
Thank you so much! I had another UTI since this video and am now dealing with another skin flare up, sadly. It came right after stopping with the magnesium, potassium, and calcium citrates. I decided to start again, and it seems to be slowly clearing up. Little by little, I guess. Wishing you the best and full healing!
I syarted having flu-like symptoms periodically about a year after fixing my leaky gut. I couldn't move for a whole week. Fortunately I heard an interview with Sally and realized I'm getting rid of decades worth of stored oxalate. I try to keep a steady trickle going and support with citrus juice and potassium citrate. Thank you Sally.
Three days on the carnivore diet and I can raise my arms above my head again. I've had horrendous shoulder join pain and was becoming incapable of doing anything around the house. I think carnivore is going to heal my join problems over time.
Amazing! Good luck with it!
If you think you had oxalate issues, though, don't freak out too much if you go through cycles of good and bad. I'm nine months in and still having issues. Overall, though, I definitely feel like I'm on the road to healing more fully!
@@Thethingswellmake Thanks for the heads up... I can only say straight carnivore has made immediate improvements. No more day time naps and my energy is much, much better! Excellent.
❤Love all of Sally K Norton’s interviews! Good questions and interview!!
Thank you! 😊I had so many more for her! Too bad she had so little time that day. Hopefully there will be a next time!
@@Thethingswellmake I wonder if you or anybody you know of has had sleep issues since going low oxalate? I started taking Powder Vitamin’s Electrolyte drink twice a day and that has helped but still sometimes have heart palpitations (that I previously thought was a heart condition, thyroid issue or taurine issue) that I’m pretty it’s from dumping and being low mineral….I know this is a long comment but if you wanted an idea for a future video that one sounds good!
@@kyliefan7 Sorry, I missed this before! I've been having better sleep (usually) in carnivore, although this week was an exception, but we had a lot going on and I had a slight cold, etc. I have been taking more electrolytes lately, but I may need to back down again as it seems to be affecting my digestion.
Thank you for the idea, though! I've actually been thinking about it!
What a wonderful conversation. People helping people and encouraging each other to take your health into your own hands.
I love Sally. As someone with Interstitial Cystitis, Ehlers Danlos and arthritis. Her work has saved me ☺
So eating “low-oxalate” can help Ehlers-Danlos? Any help with HED would be greatly appreciated!
Great interview! I learned so much. I love the way you used your life as an example. I could relate to so much! I hope you do a Part 2 soon 😊❤️
Thanks so much! I'll definitely look into it and see if we can have more time and not be so rushed! I was getting nervous because of the cut-off time in this one!
I remember oranges and nuts at Christmas time! This was a really fascinating conversation. I'm so glad you popped up in my feed!
Fabulous interview! Sally is doing God's work ❤
I have a theory that iodine can also increase breakdown of oxalate in the body. Ive been eating iodine rich sea food for a week and I’m dumping more oxalate. Iodine increases thyroid function which expedites creation of enzymes your body needs to break down oxalate.
Interesting! I've been taking iodine lately too, but didn't consider the connection!
Wonderful interview and subject to cover. I’ve been on a journey to solve my thyroid issues and symptoms for years. I’ve made a lot of progress, but this may be the missing piece of the puzzle. I’m anxious to read this book now! Thank you so much for all you do and share with us.❤️
I hope it goes well for you. I suspect I also have some sort of thyroid issue, but nothing was ever diagnosed. Many years ago, I did have a thyroid test done, but it wasn't very complete and it was years ago.
I need to look into having bloodwork done eventually, but I've been sort of avoiding it because they're still pushing lots of crazy pandemic protocols here. I was hoping they'd eventually normalize. 🤞
Good Interview.
At age 75 the only real health issue is arthritis in the hip caused by who knows what but through my employment and at home just about every day I carried, lifted lots of heavy weight. I believe that alone was hard on the hip joint.
I have been consuming extremely high oxalate foods for years. I have no real health issues except getting old. I have been also been exposed to asbestos, polluted air from the various machine I have used. I have used roundup(glyphosate) for lots of years and was exposed to agent orange in Vietnam and survived a couple skirmishes with the North Vietnamese Army,
The point is how come I'm not dead or have so many of the health issues I heard in this video and from reading the comments. Perhaps I'm blessed from a higher power or just lucky with inherited genes. I'm to the point now where purified water may possibly be the only safe thing to consume.
Health is our greatest Wealth and the body is so complicated that I believe there is no silver bullet. Next year the carnivore diet will be in the news as it is destroying some part of the body. Most of our animals are fed GMO grains,(beans, corn, wheat, sorghum) grains sprayed with roundup and other chemicals. Is it safe to eat meat from these animals?
The old saying everything in moderation holds a lot of water and yes I plan to reduce oxalates but I'm still on the hunt for that magic bullet.
Thanks!
So thankful for these beautiful women who speak the truth. Live long and prosper. The world is a better place because of you.
Thank you! 🥰
I am going to purchase this book. I’m literally drinking an oatmilk matcha tea! All health issues I’ve experienced. The burning when pee. Infections. And my daughter had kidney failure and appendix before the age of 13. Not to mention 18 years of brain fog! Omg I too have had those cysts!!! Talked to my de about burning pain from my vag to my knees. 😮 I have goosebumps!!!!!!
I really hope it helps you. I'm much better, but I had bad oxalate dumping again last month that ended in another UTI. My eczema came back, acne, red eyes, all of it. I realized that I had completely stopped all oxalates (warmer weather, so I didn't drink any tea anymore) and I hadn't taken the recommended supplements for a few days. I'm now religious with the supplements and try. to get in a very small amount of oxalates in.
I'm 8 months off my crazy high oxalate diet, btw- but I'm 48 and my diet was extremely high in oxalate for years now- it got worse in the last years as I tried to get "healthier".
Low fiber diets cause appendicitis. Raw vegetables help prevent it.
Fantastic video! Thank you so much ladies ❤
Thank you! 🥰
i love Sally and what she's doing, i do have to differ with her on the idea that oxalates aren't sprayed on our foods. i understand that oxalates are naturally occurring in plants, but she's ignoring the fact that a main component of glyphosate is oxalic acid and they're spraying that poisonous garbage on everything now. it's not enough to just eat low oxalate fruits and veg, you also have to eat organic.
That's fascinating and something I hadn't considered! I've been worried about glyphosate for a while and have had our family tested several times. I hadn't thought about it in the context of oxalates, though. Thanks for your thoughts and insight!
The main component of glyphosate is phosphonic acid, not oxalic acid. But please correct me if I'm wrong
High oxalates sent me to the emergency room. Lemon juice fixed the problem.
Happy to hear you found the problem and we're able to resolve it!
Thank you so much! I got the book and read it a couple of times so far. It's worth a good study.
Agreed!
Super interview Tracy. I'm going through a really rough oxalate time at the moment as a 5 month carnivore. Sally's work gives me hope and some sort of relief. Those stupid nano crystals.
I'm sorry to hear that. Mine has gotten a lot better lately. I haven't been having such severe spells anymore (knock on wood), but occasionally still get milder symptoms. I'm better at knowing what they are, though, and how to deal with them!
Ive been detoxing oxalates for about a year now. The pain of detox gets better overall… and also got more gradual (versus sudden dumping) when I learned how to eat a consistent low amount each day.
Sally Norton looks stuck in the 1950's and I love it!
I was a living kidney so I am so comforted by Sally Norton's education. Thank you, Sally.
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@@2old4allthis What is a “living kidney”?
@@sharonbohannon1219 That’s what I’m wondering
I had protein shakes with spinach nuts. You name it and I lost a kidney to kidney stones
I cannot wait to read her book.
Definitely! I recommend it. It was very good.
Excellent interview!
Thank you! ❤
I have read "Toxic Super Foods" extremely informative. I had a kidney stone just recently and spent four days in the hospital. I'm following the suggestions in this book and hoping I've seen the last of these stones.
I really hope you're done with them too!
I luckily never had to deal with them, and happily haven't had any UTI's or Bartholin cysts in the last 6 months, so fingers crossed for both of us!
@@Thethingswellmake Amen to that, I've had enough.
I had a kidney stone went to ER told me it was calcium. Also I have more kidney stones, gall bladder stones, and frequent UTIS. I wonder if I have oxalate poisoning? How do I start? I’m also raising a special needs daughter with a lot of behavioral issues and she eats the same, actually her gall bladder was removed a couple months ago. Wow I’m stunned at this info😮
Try chanca piedra
I just got my book by mail today. I also tried Sally’s Thai Curry suggestion tonight found a great paste and I have really good organic coconut milk with water as the only ingredient. It was delicious, I will know what my body thinks tomorrow. 🤣
This is so confusing, one health expert says eat fruits and vegetables and here we are saying vegetables are dangerous. So what should we eat ? Just meat ? I am so confused as to what constitutes a safe healthy diet ? I just tossed out my spinach and dark chocolate/Cocao powder.
Me too agree don't know what to.eatDr Goldner has another idea for hyper nourish with vegetables and water so.confused
Love the video!
Thank you!
Rise and shine, it's Oxalates Detox time! Already dump Spinach and Almonds from my diet 💪😁 Stay fit, Stay healthy
Little by little, it does get better! My oxalate detox symptoms are so much better these days.
Wishing you the best! ❤
@@Thethingswellmake This is one of the major missing pieces of the dietary puzzle that everyone should know about! Thanks for sharing this great interview
@@RodrasBurton Thank you!
Yes, definitely I've been stuck for years and think this was my major issue! So happy to have finally solved the puzzle!
It’s a bitch, I’m
So sick. How long does it take to recover? 🙈🥲
@@nicolevonw8101I hope you’re doing better. I’m oxalate dumping too and it’s killing my kidneys and my intestines.
Hi! Thank you so much for this interview! It's been a year since then...have you done a new one? I would love to listen it! Greetings from Mexico!
I've been considering contacting her promo people again to see if I could set something else up! I' I've been dealing with more oxalate dumping lately, so- not a bad idea!
Do you have any specific questions you'd like me to ask if I do?
Saludos desde España. ;)
Does anyone know if yuca/cassava is high and how many grams are in it? I have been searching everywhere, including Sally’s book, and I don’t have an answer.
Sorry I missed your comment before!
Yes, it's high. She has it listed as one of the "worst offenders" in her beginners' guide...
sallyknorton.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/BEGINNERS_GUIDE_SAVVY.pdf
Thank you. blessings.
I will be getting the book.
So that's why my son got sick on his stomach when I made him a green smoothie when he was a kid. I read about it in a very popular health book. I made peanut butter sandwiches.
It's hard to hear these sorts of things...that we do these things to ourselves. It's easy to feel guilty, but we need to remember we were doing our best based on what we knew at the time. We live, we learn!
All the best to you! ❤️❤️
I've been doing a deep dive on oxalate, but also how it interacts with vitamin A. My daughter has hyperoxaluria of some kind (waiting to get into metabolic genetics). My husband has this too. They both have elevated liver enzymes, keratin accumulation in the skin, headaches, fatigue, increase histamine reactions (retinol makes mast cells release histamine), and of course, kidney stone issues.
We had lab work done because her fatigue was off the chart and all these other problems above. Her vitamin A levels have been creeping up for the past two years and are at toxic levels now (toxic on quest lab at 71). Her lactate is severely low.
When the body is producing lactate, it also produces NAD+ which is what drives retinol metabolism forward. Oxalate doesn't directly inhibit alcohol dehydrogenase or retinol dehydrogenase or aldehyde dehydrogenase which was what I was searching for. Oxalate takes away the "energy" needed to drive those reactions forward by impairing lactate dehydrogenase (LDH). LDH is actually the last enzyme involved in the formation of oxalates. I believe that oxalate being able to have a feedback inhibition on LDH is a safety mechanism built into our human biology, but that it backfires and wreaks metabolic havoc on vitamin A metabolism and also energy metabolism.
So essentially my 11 year old daughter is toxic in retinol because she can't convert vitamin A to retinoic acid which is the form that is excreted from the body from what I know. She has keritinazation, male pattern baldness, poor wound healing, histamine reactions, etc.
Lactate is needed to switch from glucose to fat metabolism in the liver. My kiddo is always in a small amount of ketosis, but not enough to lose weight. She has hypoglycemic episodes as well. She now has elevated liver enzymes, but the GI doc won't do an ultrasound because it is only 1 point elevated even though I told them my husband's history of severe fatty liver disease and kidney stones. I think oxalate is damaging the stellate cells of the liver as well leading to inability to store retinol as retinyl esters, or that her stellate cells are at max capacity. However, just not being able to convert retinol to retinoic acid for removal from the body may be the biggest factor here. Key studies to support my theory.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14646967/
www.sciencedirect.com/.../pii/0009898168903768...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC473141/
Oh, wow! This is super interesting and I'll have to look into it more. I was actually dealing with hyperkeratosis and had no idea what it was or what was causing it. I had what seemed like calluses all over my left hand. It made no sense to me, especially since it's the hand I use the least. I had to grind off the extra skin, just like on my feet. Now that you say it, I don't have that either lately. I hadn't really given it any thought until you mentioned it.
My husband deals with elevated liver enzymes. He's been dealing with it for years and they've done a lot of testing on him and can't find anything wrong. He's lowered them slightly, an lowered 2 to more normal levels, but one is always super high. The doctor told him that if he actually had something wrong, they'd see something and he'd have been dead by now, but I don't know what the real issue is with him.
I'll take a look at your studies, though!
@@Thethingswellmake Oh wow!! That's so interesting. I really think this is a huge connection. I'm going to write this up for Hormones Matter. I really want to find out if many people are experiencing this same thing. Very few doctors check vitamin A levels, so I think I just happened to be a blessed dietitian mom who has a great GI doctor for her kiddo. Definitely see if you can check your husband's vitamin A levels. My husband has to scrap the keratin off his heel and elbows. Sometimes his heals crack and bleed. Very scary.
@@weakthereforestrong5852 We can definitely look into it. I've been meaning to get complete bloodwork soon too--- it's been admittedly years since I've gone in since I sort of hate anywhere where they make you mask up. (So, yes, it's also been years since I've been to a doctor.) 🤣🤣
@@Thethingswellmake That part about the not wanting to wear a mask made me smile. Same here. Here are some more fun facts I have collected by researching this possibility of people being RA deficient but retinol and beta carotene sufficient or "toxic"...
This actually about Keratosis pilaris, but it applies to all possible retinoic acid deficient symptoms...
I propose that this "vitamin A deficiency" associated skin disorder, Keratosis pilaris, is actually retinoic acid deficiency, and not necessarily retinol or beta-carotene deficiency. Consider getting your vitamin A levels checked and look at your diet and medications to evaluate if you have inhibitors of retinol and retinal metabolism due to NAD+ depletion.
Vitamin A Metabolism Disruptors:
- Acetyladehyde (tea, soda, kombucha and other homemade fermented probiotic drinks, fermented foods, canned foods, pickles, yogurt)
- Alcohol
- Any medication that depletes thiamine, B6, or niacin due to probably impairing the ability to make NAD. Tryptophan metabolism is impaired in B6 deficiency. Tryptophan is one pathway for NAD production. Seizure medications can deplete B6. Birth control depletes B6.
- Excess coffee or tea which causes thiamine deficiency, This impairs activation of B6, which may increase the production of endogenous oxalate from glycine. This oxalate made in the body inhibits Lactate Dehydrogenase (LDH) which generates NAD
- Oxalate (plant poison) due to inhibiting LDH resulting in low NAD. Some oxalate foods: chocolate, beans, potatoes, sweet potatoes, spinach, raspberries, plantain, "juicing" type juices, green supplements. Check out the TLO group on facebook for details.
- Drugs that impair the NAD pathway such as reflux medications (H2 receptor antagonist) and Metformin
- Drugs that depleted thiamine levels (Lasix, Metformin) due to this will impair B6 activation which can lead to increased oxalate formation from glycine.
- Taking more than 2000 mg vitamin C per day could increase oxalate formation in the liver (although this is variable per person. Some people can't tolerate much above the RDA).
- possibly excess use of collagen powder supplements due to increasing total glycine levels, especially in a thiamine or B6 deficient state, because glycine can be metabolized to oxalate.
This list isn't exhaustive. I am still researching. If you have this skin condition, consider having your vitamin A levels checked before allowing a doctor to prescribe vitamin A supplementation or even topical vitamin A creams. It may not be a deficiency at all. You may have plenty of retinol in the body, if not too much, but may be low on retinoic acid.
emedicine.medscape.com/article/1070651-differential
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14646967/
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19183134/
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27746050/
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC473141/
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26899752/
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26528626/
***Disclaimer: I am not a physician. I am a dietitian. This is not medical advice. It is only to inform. Always consult with your physician before altering your diet or supplement regimen. Never discontinue a medication without first consulting your physician. ***
@@weakthereforestrong5852 i cant remember her name but on youtube she gave her testimony of healing which sounds similar. She mainly eats ribeye as meat choice.
Micheala Peters also has interviews with drs that treat rare cases
Wow, this is the first I’ve heard. About six weeks into my carnivore diet I was suffering from feelings of. I don’t know like sharpness was going through my urethra or my bladder I was getting like I would lay on my back and fill these pulse stations that would keep me awake and feeling all kinds of active bladder But not the UTI pain feel. I went in for a 72 hour P test I did all kinds of testing but I came back negative for everything. At least this gives me a peace of mind to attempt to try the carnivore diet again because I just don’t want to go through that. But the thing that I found interesting is that she’s talking about chocolate I know coffee can also have an affect on the bladder for women when they’re on the carnivore diet. What’s your thoughts on that because it seems like now if I drink a cup of coffee, I can feel like this bladder spasms. Now that’s not every time but uncertain times. It is now that I’m back on the carnivore diet.
Interesting. I've added coffee and tea back in because I found that when I removed all oxalates, especially if I get lazy about not taking the electrolytes that she recommends (calcium citrate, magnesium citrate, and potassium citrate), that I get dumping symptoms again. I even ended up with a "real" UTI again last month.
I think we each need to find what works best for us. For me, I seem to be better (for now) keeping some low level of oxalate consumption. Because I'm following the carnivore diet, it just seems like the easiest (least bad) option. I have had a very small spoonful of the last jar of nut butter I have, very occasionally, if I get really bad dumping symptoms and it does seem to help me.
I been sick for years. Food Intolerances, 35 pages of them. Im getting so tired of back pain and rashes I eliminated 95% of my old diet but still have gut pain constipation and rashes my back pain is 60% less in 22 days but still not much better. I think I might have oxalate toxicity ... who knew. God bless all of you, thank you so much for the info.
When I was growing up in the 1960's and 1970's we ate produce seasonably. The holiday season we had nuts and seasonal fruit. We had men selling watermelon from their trucks in season. Wow things are so different now. Thanks for the video.
Yes! I agree. I think that's the main reason for most of our problems...
The convenience of bringing in massive quantities of foods we wouldn't normally be able to eat where we live!
thank you so much for this great info ❤i can see now how my “ pseudo healthy “ diet was not helping my gut, kidney , the entire system. my blood work shows again bacteria 😳, the same as summer results, then i got suddenly Bartholin cyst for the 1st ever in my mid 40ies. Never would have correlated all this with oxylates. Potatoes as tasty as they are, even pressure cooked give me huge array of symptoms, including bubbles under my eyes.
Interesting that you also had a Bartholin cyst. I kept getting the same one over and over again. Once it resolved, it would come right back again- yet I haven't had it come back again since trying carnivore. My eczema is completely gone too.
I hope that now that you have an idea of what the problem could be, that you can also find healing! ❤
@@Thethingswellmake I think it is dairy ( goat cheese) for me and also flour. It causes excessive mucus formation and it clogs the ducts. It happened again 🙈once I resumed eating it.- how annoying 😫Then I have to stop and my lymphatic system starts functioning better, the cyst resolves. Hope it helps ❤️😊( curcumin helps too)
With so many plants not "wanting to be eaten" I wonder how vegans manage? I also think that kids might have a built-in survival reaction that makes them not want to eat their vegetables. The only high oxylate food I was disappointed about was raspberries as they are supposed by one of the few fruits you can eat on Keto.
A lot of vegans do well at first, especially if coming off of a Standard American Diet. Many health problems can develop gradually and people often don't realize that their diet may be a contributing factor, especially if they believe they are eating nutritious foods. I had similar issues. I didn't attribute the chronic UTI's and eczema to my "healthy diet" and only figured out what was going on by accident.
There are surprisingly (or not) a lot of people who have gone directly from vegan to carnivore, though.
As for the raspberries... I think you have to have a pretty large dose for them to be problematic. If you are cutting down on other high-oxalate foods, a few raspberries here and there are probably not that big of a deal. It's good to be aware, though, so as not to eat them on a day you are eating other moderately high foods.
@@Thethingswellmake Thank you for the raspberry info. 😊
Yes, I always hated vegetables even as a little child. Give any child an option to eat a mango or some kale, and it's no contest!
We do have a built in mechanism. Ask any child at the dinner table.
Sally, I have osteopenia. I just started doing carnivore, but I’m allowing myself a little something else every now & then. I love avocados. I’m taking Trace Minerals, Lugol’s iodine & boron to help with my bones. I was talking calcium citrate and I felt better but then certain docs that do carnivore say don’t take calcium supplements bcz they can be dangerous. I’m allergic to dairy… I do eat sardines tho.
Is it ok to take calcium citrate in my case & how much do you recommend?
it might be wiser to take magnesium instead of calcium. People often overdo calcium.
Check your vitamin D, it shuttles calcium and phosphorus where it should go. >50ng/mL is optimal
I love Dr. Tracy’ giggles.
Aww, thank you! I got a few complaints about my laughing, so it's nice to hear a positive comment. I tend to laugh easily- and prefer laughing about the irony of my mistakes than to cry about them. Plus, it was my first interview ever, so I was pretty hard on myself afterward.
Does anyone know if flaxseed meal or flour is low in oxalates? Trying to find a gluten free flour to make pancakes with. THX
Flaxseed is moderately high in oxalates. It's lower than most of the other nuts and seeds, but all nuts and seeds are pretty high.
If you're set on making pancakes, I'd suggest trying to use plantains. I used to make these a lot and they are very good. My son loved them!
thethingswellmake.com/healthy-2-ingredient-pancakes/
QUESTION: years ago I went to my health supplement store in Spring Hill Florida. there was a special visitor there offering the chance to see my blood under magnification. My blood has some very strange tiny strawlike bunches I could see. very scary. Could those have been oxylates? I never ever heard more or saw more about this. Is this a possible way to check your oxylate level??
I have no idea about that. I read her book and she said it was difficult to test for because of its cyclical behavior, etc. Maybe someone would have a better idea?
What does Sally Norton recommend to fix leaky gut since it tesults in much higher oxalate absorption?
I'm not really sure. The book mostly focuses on how to transition to a lower oxalate diet and supplements you can take to help with dumping, etc.
I don't remember anything specific about leaky gut, but it's been a while since I read it. (I'm out of the country now, too, so I can't consult the book.)
Sally, what about collard, turnip or mustard greens are they bad , also ????
Thank you Sally for the good work. I'm suffering from rheumatoid arthritis so what to eat and what not to eat
Eat meat and no carbs.
My friend couldnt even hold a spoon. 3months meat salt and normal tea to lower oxilate dumping no more pain.
What is “normal” tea?
@@cathyweaver1449 ceylon or black tea. But Sally says low oxilate fruit like pineapple, mango, watermelon can also work. But not for us we overdid the fruit the sweetness was too tempting
When I grew up, Popeye the Sailor Man was a major cartoon. His strength came from eating spinach. Children naturally dislike spinach, but we ate it because Mom made us or it would make us strong. At least one positive msg is that foods do affect us. Anyway, know that we have been lied to about a lot of things, some from early childhood. So one someone says something that seems like a crazy conspiracy theory, don't dismiss it out of hand. Ex: if you dismissed "most vegetables are bad for you", you would not be here learning about oxylates, so good on you.
Other things people are questioning:
1 Spinning ball Earth with a heliocentric cosmology or a stationary plane Earth with a dome, near sun, moon, and stars, and a geo centric cosmology? Eric Dubay videos on CZcams are great for researching.
2. For Christians, Torah law (up to Exodus 24:11) done away (including the 4th Commandment of a Saturday Sabbath), clean/unclean animals (Noah knew, but explained in Lev 11), and biblical feasts and holy days (Exodus 23, expanded in Lev 23) or still to be observed?
3. For Sabbath keepers, day start at sunset or at morning daybreak?
4. Evolution across species and the Big Bang Theory vs a Creator and creation by design?
5. For Torah keepers: lunar calendar or calendar by counting as preserved by Moses in the Torah? (End of year marker is Equinox (Spring one north of the equator, Autumn Equinox south), next day is Day 1 of Month 1, get to 30, next day is Day 1 of the next month, wait for year-end marker (a special shadow on the ground) after 12th month, 30th day.)
6. Childhood (or any) vaccines are safe and effective or the opposite?
7. Wearing a mask will help protect you and others from viruses or it is unhealthy, won't protect you, and will weaken your immune system? (Can get The Truth About Masks by Dr. Judy Mikovits ebook for $2.99 on Amazon).
8. The pandemic occurred naturally or it was planned using the release of a gain-of-function virus?
9. The Covid-19 vaccine will prevent one from getting Covid, or reduce the transmission rate, or will give you lesser symptoms if you get Covid or it is a bio weapon that can have long term health effects and has caused serious side effects and even deaths.
10 "Orange man bad" or President Trump is a White Hat (perhaps like Cyrus, annointed by Yahuah (God)) who is working to drain the swamp, first by exposing how deep it is, and who will return economic prosperity to the USA. (See Rumble channel Rattletrap1776 or search Derek Johnson to find out how the US is under military control via a continuity of government plan, and Trump is still Commander in Chief.)
11 We landed on the moon or NASA lies about nearly everything.
Question Everything!
Yes! We keep the Lunar Sabbath now! No more SATURNSday Sabbaths! Praise Him 🎉
Read Virus Mania. Stop the fear stop the story.
People in Loma Linda and other places where people have diets high in fruit, vegetables, fiber as well as some animal protein, grains and fat live the longest. Most of those long lived people live in fairly warm climates where fruit and vegetables are available all year.
Amazing book. Thanks for getting this message out.
Agreed! Working on it! More people need to know this!
On strict Carnivore for 3 weeks now. Have NAFLD stage 2. Have a UTI now what should I eat to quell the oxalate release?
I have found that if I have something with a moderate amount of oxalates, it helps. I've tried a spoonful of peanut butter because I happen to have a jar still, and it does calm some of the symptoms... I can't promise it will help, but it can't hurt to try. (You'll likely have to deal with the UTI - if it's an actual UTI- with antibiotics, though. I got one a few months in and tried cleaning mine with d-mannose, but it wasn't enough... sometimes it can be if you catch it at the first symptoms.)
In her book, Sally also has a section on supplements that can help detox them. I've been taking some B vitamin supplements and calcium citrate, potassium citrate, and magnesium citrate.
I occasionally have flare-ups anyway. I actually added back tea and coffee to help keep some oxalates to prevent huge flare-ups.
@@ThethingswellmakeWhich brands of all these citrates do you use?
I have your book and its fantastic but I see conflicting reports on Dates. Are dates low or high oscalates?
Dates are low
@@NanGr-cb5wf thank you!
Anyone know if sharp pains in veins are a sign of oxalate problems? I usually get it when I try to do a raw food detox, and it usually goes away when I go back to cooked food.. It is mostly in my hands and feet. Been vegan for 7 years, and went vegan back then because of health issues.. I am not any better though 7 years later.. Recently this year I have a new boatload of food intolerances too. I recently had an inflammatory reaction to buckwheat which is extremely high in oxalates.
No such thing as a raw food detox. It’s a scam unfortunately. Vegan is mot good, please get some animal protein :)
I bought the book and is great. However, I don't think I can't use the food suggestions because I also have Histamine, Oxalates Salicylates and Lectins sensitivity. Possible MCAS.
I'm sorry to hear about that. I don't know a lot about any of that. I know that those on carnivore with histamine issues talk about buying really fresh meat by becoming friends with their butcher, etc.
Lectins are in plants, so a more carnivore diet may help. I'm not familiar with the rest.
Sally I have your book and this question is unclear. Which is safer, regular oatmeal, rolled oats, or sprouted steel cut oats? Thanks
Hello,
Sally won't likely be checking in here and I'm not really sure about the differences in oats as I don't eat any of them anymore.
You may want to try joining the Trying Low Oxalates group on Facebook. They have a lot of resources in there and you can also ask questions if you can't find the answers.
I did a quick search, but only found that people were saying that they had issues with oats and were trying to figure out if it was really an oxalate problem or another problem with them.
facebook.com/groups/135981539816730
This is the link to the group, for those who are interested!
Spinach, Peanut butter , potatoes, almond
Pretty sure this is why our ancestors and even animals look to consume fruits and vegetables that have been fermented. The oxalate reduction from fermentation is far more then cooking or drying.
I need to look into that again. Many of the fermented foods like sauerkraut and kimchi are made with what is already low in oxalates (cabbage). I know in the case of kombucha, you are correct and the oxalate content does go down drastically after fermentation.
I thought that some of the other ferments didn't really change much, though.
Oxalates are NOT degraded by fermentation.
Fermented foods have probiotics which bind to oxalates which are then excreted.
Sally is so pretty! Only thing I would recommend is pickled veggies
Hoped to hear more from Sally…than you 😮
cannot find any reference to CHICK PEAS (same as garbanzo beans I understand) in her work....?
Legumes are generally high in oxalates. In other places, though, she mentions that those with "peas" in the name tend to be lower than the others.
So, chickpeas are probably moderately high in oxalates, but better than white beans, for example.
I also read that the Purines in red wine break down oxalates
Dr.tracy just glows..pretty woman.
There are so much conflicting information on the internet. They suggest to limit protein from animals and change it with lentil, beans and legumes instead at around 5:20 of the video made by the CZcams channel "Unity Health Toronto" in their video titled "Diet Tips to Prevent Calcium Oxalate Kidney Stones".
How can we know if oxalate s are affecting us, just by the symptoms alone or is there anyway to know for sure?
It's mostly the symptoms, unfortunately, because it is so cyclical in how it's "dumped" that you may or may not catch it if you test your urine for oxalates, for example. She covers this a lot in her book.
If your dark colored clothes are covered with tiny bright white dots, you have oxalate overload.
@@chrislastnam6822 Interesting.
I notice, apart from itchy eczema, that I get dry, itchy, crusty eyes.
How do we fix it? I want to feel better.
Cut down on the oxalates, but try not to go directly to zero all at once. Start by eliminating some of the higher oxalate foods, then the medium ones... until you're down to just low.
Also, get in some electrolytes to help you detox. I've been taking calcium citrate, potassium citrate, magnesium citrate, and some of the B vitamins. That really seems to help me.
Gradually bring your levels down to a low amount. I wish you the best of luck with it. I'm still dealing with this problem, but feeling progressively better!
I’ve always hated peanut butter. Never gave it to my kids either. But everything else I’m guilty of😢
I e even on carnivore for 3 months and I thought I’ve had UTI 3 times now and what you described is exactly I had one that was so so painful I called DR and and canceled the culture because it went away later in the day.Thats when I thought it’s “Oxilates” now I know . Will it stop?
What is a reliable list of low oxalate foods to eat?
I'd look for the list of high oxalate foods and avoid those. Sally has lists in her book and there is also a good list in the trying low oxalates group in Facebook.
30:06 BOOM! There it is right there! We’ve lost touch with our instinctual eating & listening to our bodies & being mindful of what goes in. Eat seasonally is a big key I believe. Think back to how the primitives ate - we evolved from them. They sure as hell didn’t have KFC & Sumo Salad 24/7/365.
32:23 ❤
I fully agree!
goat liver is high oxalate food or low oxalate food? cream of tartar is high oxalate food or low oxalate food?
When I moved to the USA, I was surprised when people was eating raw spinach,,, my mother was steaming it,,, she didn’t allow us to eat spinach raw, saying spinach is poison when eating raw
Sadly, cooking the spinach only slightly reduces the oxalate content. They'rs still pretty toxic cooked.
It is interesting, though. What country did you move from? Here in Spain, they sell lots of bags of baby spinach for salads, so it's common here too.
@@Thethingswellmake I moved from Armenia to the USA. But I am not eating cooked spinach often. Once a month
Plus. In Armenia, spinach was a seasonal green,, early spring, of course, now they have it the whole year
Yes!@@rubinaohanyan That's a huge problem, I think. If we only ate seasonally, I don't think we'd have half of the problems we have now!
I'm a lot more in tune to that lately!
Interesting, a thought though is the inuit on the north pole have always had a very short life expectancy...🤔 and they, have historically, not had access to fruit and vegetables. There are no long-term studies on being on carnivore yet.
That is interesting. It's hard to take a look at one aspect of a culture and know how much that plays into their life expectancy, though.
They have much less exposure to the sun, too, which I'd assume is very important for our health. Their sources of animal fat are also going to be much lower in vitamin D as the animals they eat don't have access to the sun either.
Then, there are other factors- they also probably have less access to healthcare, stress their bodies out with long workdays for survival, etc.
@@Thethingswellmake Yes that is true of course, but food is a big factor in everyones life and that's why I'm trying this diet. I'm hopeful nut sceptical. I have been pn only beef, water, salt and the occasional egg for a week and a half. And I have yet to see benefits, possibly I am a slight bit more energetic. I do have a faster heartrate and some headache but I hope It's a transission fase. I will complete the 4,5 weeks left and then make a judgement if this is for me. At least it's interesting😊. I watched your film on oxalate and are mindful of it now so thank you for sharing it.
The Inuit diet is their strength. Vitamin D came from sea food. They live in a very harsh environment amd would wear down their teeth just trying to soften the leather of their clothing. They did live a good lifespan with excellent health. No sign of fruit/veggie deficiency related issues. Same with the Masai in Africa who did great on a diet of primarily cow blood and milk. Both tribes got a little bit of plant matter but not much.
@@HammyGirl999 "good lifeexpectancy" 54 years, over here its above 80 for both genders
@@marialindgren4112 Sorry I missed your message before. How have things been going? Any improvements?
I cant have Pork Beef Veal Duck Bison only Chicken and Turkey.
Great conversation. Converted vegetarian of 29 years. Cancer, autoimmune disorders, & more.
I stopped vegetarian and began and began with AIP, then paleo, then keto, now carnivore.
Carnivore for now for four years. Never knew about oxalates beginning my carnivore journey. The dumping was not to be believed! Calculus build up on my teeth, gallbladder packed full of stones, weak, exhausted, extreme weight loss, brain fog, & more. I hung in there and got past it. Thanks to Sally. ♥️
You give me hope. I was actually feeling pretty great when I chatted with her, and I thought I was over the worst part, but I've been recently dealing with more symptoms. I have to admit that I'm getting a bit frustrated. (I also have the tartar buildup, have been more tired again, and I actually have been getting hungry a lot and have gained weight. That seems to go with the other symptoms like cloudy urine. I've been going for over a year now, so I'm hanging in there, but getting tired.)
Great to know about it ,,,can I get more details about it I have same situation like you how you recovered it?
Did she say she would put a warning on her food?
Yes, my intention is to put some sort of disclaimer on the recipe posts on my blog that contain high oxalate foods- like my post for how to make almond butter.
I wrote up a post on oxalates that I want to link to, but I'm trying to figure out the technical part of getting the warning up on each of those posts.
I have been eating what I thought was healthy for over 30 years....lots of vegetables, too many almonds, plenty of tea, juicing swiss chard, little meat. Earlier this year, I read about oxalates and started to reduce slowly or so I thought. Not sure if there is a connection but shortly thereafter, less than 2 months, I developed a cancerous breast mass. All of my peers were surprised that me, the health nut in the group, would be the one to develop this. Still in treatment. Lately, I have read that all breast cancers have oxalates, disclaimer: I am not giving medical advice and don't know if this is true. But I will say it gives me something to think about the possible correlation. She's right when she says "don't go too crazy on trying to heal too fast".
I'm so sorry to hear that you have to go through that. I am still having issues with oxalate dumping. (When I did the interview months ago, I thought I was over most of it, but I've realized that, no, I wasn't.)
I was exactly the same way- tons of veggies, nuts and seeds, so little meat, etc. It's so frustrating.
I wish you the best and hope for eventual healing for all of us.
@@Thethingswellmake Thank you very much! I have met and heard of several other people who also were diagnosed with cancer after eating what they thought were healthy foods.
@@deva190 Yes, I've also heard from a few in emails and even comments here. It's sad. I thought I'd be protected because I was so careful about what I ate, but my diet was super high in oxalates and I had no idea that would be an issue.
What's even worse, is I had investigated oxalates a few years back when a friend had kidney stones, but even she just thought that people should moderate and eat a variety of foods. The consensus seemed to be that only "certain people" would have issues with oxalates. I now thin they affect everybody, but they affect some people more than others and the effects are very cumulative, so you may not see any issues for years.
I wish I knew what I know now years ago. I could have saved myself a ton of problems.
Probably the jabs u got
NUTS AND SEEDS AND FRUIT ARE GATHERING FOODS!!! The older you get, excess ANIMAL protein does NOT fair well with kidneys. I know. That's a problem I've been dealing with. AND IT HAD MADE A DIFFERENCE!!
moderation
Almonds are one of the few good sources of vitamin e.
Egg yolks and animal fats are good sources that are low in oxalates. No need to poison yourself to get the little bit of vitamin E you need. 😏
So even blanching our grns is still bad to eat, I love collard and Swiss chard, so sad 😞
Is there anything out there that oxalates can effect your White Blood Count? Mine are very low. Thank you for any input.
I don't remember anything specific in the book about it, but...
It seems like oxalates can affect so many different things that it would make sense that they could affect your blood count.
With a quick Google search, I found this article at the the top of my search: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33732242/
It seems to share a mechanism for how they could be affected. I didn't do a further search, but I wouldn't be surprised to find more.
I'd suggest joining one of the Facebook groups like Trying low oxalates and doing a search to find others with similar issues.
Many Many Thanks for the reply. I really do appreciate it!
Wondering if you'd mind answering this. I'm new to all this. What about pizza. Can I have pizza? Thank you for your time!@@Thethingswellmake
@@franhar8292 Hello, Pizza is very moderate in oxalates, generally, I think. Tomato is relatively high when concentrated in a tomato paste, for example- and wheat also has some oxalates, but isn't extremely high if you only have a small amount.
I think the general consensus is to keep your oxalates under 50mg a day. You can check the lists and get an idea of the oxalate content of each food. I personally think that if you want to eat a high oxalate food, eat it, but keep your dose low and be very conscious about what else you eat that day to not have an accumulative effect.
You can also do some pizza alternatives. There are "carnivore pizzas" made with cheese and eggs for the crust, and some use alfredo sauce instead of tomato for the sauce if you don't want to have tomatoes.
You are a VERY kind person. I sure appreciate your reply and advise. This is all so complicated. But what you had to say really helps. Seems so much info that can get overwhelming that you don't even want to try. But your advise is reasonable enough to stick with it. Thank you very much!!!@@Thethingswellmake
12:12 I say, smoking gives you "throat cancer". The most common one.
Can anyone share the top foods to avoid?
Spinach, rhubarb, chard, most nuts and seeds, most legumes, many grains and pseudograins.
I go more in depth here: thethingswellmake.com/high-oxalate-foods-why-theyre-problematic/
@@Thethingswellmake Thanks for the quick reply! I will check it out.
I have cut out Spinach (used to eat a lot.) I don't do grains but will use a small handful of Omega-3 rich Walnuts to make my fresh nut milk for coffee. Is that OK? Is it true that some people can eat oxolates and never have any issues? I know serveral people who eat dark chocolate, nuts, spinach for years and they are actually quite healthy? (I was one of them) Is it a genetic thing or best for everyone to avoid across the board? I did lose a Gallbladder a few years ago. I blame it on me going mostly Vegan at the time, losing 50lbs. (over a year the right way.) A M.D. nutritionist had told me Spinach is amazing so I ate it daily. I don't recall it giving me any issues.
My understanding is that Oxolates usually cause Kidney stones, not so much Gallstones. I don't wisht that on anyone- very painful. Since it is out, I have mostly been good. A little worried I don't absorb things as well but not much I can do about that. I have taken digestive enzymes but they are pricey and I did not notice a big difference. I eat plenty of fat now, more meat daily and I work out. I am lean and mean and digestion is almost perfect.
Thanks for your reply and all you do!
@Thethingswellmake I thought you did great in the amount of time that u had. It's ur channel n if ppl don't like it, they should just move on. I find it disturbing when ppl have to get their jabs in, when its just easy enough to move on.... I really had a hard time Not responding to all the negative comments! I really wish people would keep their negative thoughts to themselves. Hiding behind a keyboard, saying mean things are inexcusable and cowardly. Anyhoo.... I'm a new subbie & I like ur channel! God bless 🙂
Thanks so much! You really made my day! ❤️❤️❤️
Relax Karen people say what they feel you liberals like to control everything
Watch Dr.Glodner.
We all have diff chemistries. Some do keto,some carnivore...just eat balanced and do not eat junk.
Common sense.
I have never gotten sick from eating nuts(except peanuts) or vegetables.
I had been eating a very clean diet for over 2 decades- mostly paleo- no junk food, very low sugar, etc. (Close to a vegan sort of keto during the week) I mostly ate vegetables, avocados, nuts and seeds, vegetable “milks”, lots of antioxidants in the form of matcha, turmeric, ginger, and colorful foods when possible.- occasionally fish and chicken and sometimes meat on the weekends. Despite eating what seemed to be a “healthier” diet all of the time (more veggies, less and less sugar), I kept feeling sicker and sicker.
I had a lot of skin issues that kept getting worse- and the itching was keeping me up at night. I got to the point where I had UTI’s almost every month. I had brain fog, and was getting recurrent Bartholin cysts and pinworms all of the time- to nightmarish proportions.
I’m at 16 months on a low-oxalate, mostly carnivore diet. My skin is completely clear. (Over the 16 months, it got better and better- with an occasional wave of eczema and acne- each time paired with coudy urine and what looked to be crystals coming out of my skin in certain areas- each time less severe.) My toenail fungus (from over a decade ago) has mostly cleared up on its own. My digestion is perfect. I only had one UTI the entire time- right after a 10 day cruise where I wasn’t as consistent with the diet. No Bartholin cysts, no pinworms. I feel more active again and better in general. My mind is much clearer.
I think it’s great that you feel well while eating a higher oxalate diet. At one point, I thought I was fine too, but the worsening of how I felt was slow and progressive. I didn’t notice it until things just kept getting a lot worse in the last few years. Who knows if some people are fine with a higher oxalate diet- my thought is that a high enough amount will eventually cause issues- even if they aren’t noticed immediately.
I don’t think everyone needs to go full carnivore, but for those of us who have had many issues on a seemingly healthy diet, taking a look at if oxalates are a culprit may be life changing. I just want people to know that it’s a possibility. I had felt that I had tried pretty much everything before I found this piece of the puzzle. I’m extremely happy I came across Sally’s book.
I missed the first sentence of your comment- and decided to look her up...
Honestly, her video on oxalates wasn't very informative and was way too simplistic. imo. She seems to think that the only issue one can have related to oxalates is kidney stones. I've never had kidney stones, but I have had other health issues that I think were caused by my high-oxalate diet.(And, yes, I did have a lot of spinach too!)
She seems to be pushing the diet I was eating- that was making me sick. I wasn't eating potato chips, etc- as she seems to assume.
Many people commented on her video, criticizing her simple explanation and the fact that she missed other oxalate-related issues. (Not only oxalates, but also other plant toxins like lectins and phytic acid can cause problems for us.)
I tried avoiding all of the plant protein- as she seems to want people to do, but it was catastrophic for me!
Damn I gotta stop eating spinach, almonds and sweet potato
I guess we should just stop eating!
I know it's frustrating as we keep being told to eat this and avoid that. I've actually been eating more than usual, though, and feeling much better.
I think if we look back to the way we used to eat before we were told we needed to incorporate more veggies and low fat foods, we'd feel a lot better.
I feel great on healthy animal foods… and save a lot of money by not buying pounds and pounds of low calorie veggies.
Interesting to listen to Sally. Her book is worth a look. Not sure what Tracy was laughing about constantly though...🤔
I was laughing at how ironic it was that my diet was so incredibly high in oxalates and I thought I was being so healthy. It's very ironic.
Sometimes you have to laugh so as not to cry at the damage you've done to yourself.
I'm also generally a happy person who smiles and laughs a lot. I was really enjoying myself during the discussion and was super excited to be talking with her. We were having a really interesting conversation off camera- Sadly, it got cut short because she had another engagement scheduled that day.
@@Thethingswellmake I loved your cheerful personality during the interview! Don't change! So many other interviews are too serious and depressing, I can't listen for long. Thank you! 😊
@@Smith-he6bg Thank you. I really appreciate it. 🥰
@@Thethingswellmake you're welcome 😊
TLDR:
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Natural chemicals derived from plants serve various purposes in their survival. Some plants, high in oxalate, produce toxins as a survival strategy. People are not discriminating plants based on their oxalate content, resulting in excessive consumption. Oxalate, a small molecule derived from oxalic acid, is a chelating agent that can interact with minerals. It has been used for industrial cleaning since the 1700s and can be found in various cleaning products. Oxalate is also present in many common foods, such as spinach.
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The author discusses the idea of incorporating spinach into smoothies to hide its taste, a practice now encouraged to get kids to eat more vegetables. However, this trend is not supported by scientific evidence, especially for infants, as high oxalate foods like spinach can lead to calcium deficiency, impacting overall health and growth. The push to consume high oxalate foods daily is a cultural fad, not grounded in scientific rationale.
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The author shares a personal experience of adopting the carnivore diet, which led to a series of health issues. They highlight a connection between antibiotics and oxalate problems, as well as a history of recurrent ear, throat, and urinary tract infections. These symptoms are common in individuals with oxalate-related problems.
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The author reflects on their early eating habits, including the consumption of peanut butter and potatoes. They discuss the prevalence of almonds in Spanish cuisine and highlight almonds' high oxalate content. In individuals with leaky gut or gut inflammation, oxalate absorption increases significantly, leading to elevated exposure levels.
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The discussion shifts to the consumption of nuts and seeds, highlighting their indigestibility due to their natural design. The author critiques the modern trend of turning these foods into staples, emphasizing that such a practice is unprecedented in human history. The author questions the safety and sustainability of this dietary shift.
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The conversation touches on the connection between antibiotic use and oxalate-related issues. The author speculates about the interaction between antibiotic use, sun sensitivity, and oxalate vulnerability. They suggest that a combination of increased oxalate exposure and reduced tolerance could be contributing to the rise in health problems associated with oxalate consumption.
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The author reflects on the changing patterns of food consumption. They mention how access to certain foods has become more consistent year-round due to transportation and refrigeration advancements. The rise in consumption of high oxalate foods like chocolate is attributed to marketing efforts that link them to health benefits, despite the contrary evidence.
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The author criticizes the popular trend of blending and consuming high-oxalate foods, such as smoothies, due to the phytonutrient theory. They suggest that this trend is driven by misleading health claims and unsupported ideas about nutrient benefits from consuming large amounts of plant foods.
Paragraph 9: The text discusses human vulnerability and intolerance towards excessive food consumption, comparing it to historical eating patterns. Antibiotics and pain medications, along with modern lifestyle factors like trauma and inflammation, worsen gut, liver, and kidney health. Excess oxalate exposure is damaging due to the body's inability to metabolize it. Both vulnerability and exposure contribute to health issues.
Paragraph 10: The liver doesn't detox oxalates; it produces and adds more to the body. Oxalates are excreted through various routes, including the kidneys, saliva, tears, skin, and colon. Oxalates cause various health symptoms like mood problems, aches, pains, and digestive issues. Kidney and urinary tract problems are becoming more common, even at younger ages.
Paragraph 11: The author relates personal experiences of urinary tract issues and explores how oxalates create inflammation in the bladder. The author's symptoms were similar to a UTI, but the cause was oxalates. Oxalate crystals form in the body and trigger immune responses, mirroring infection symptoms. The author's experience with bladder symptoms led them to research and consider oxalate's effects.
Paragraph 12: The author's diet and health struggles are discussed, including consuming foods high in oxalates. Brain fog, fatigue, bladder symptoms, eczema, and cysts are mentioned. The author's shift towards consuming foods like sweet potatoes and nuts and seeds is highlighted as causing issues. The author emphasizes the importance of acknowledging oxalate risks and the need for information dissemination.
Paragraph 13: The conversation shifts to the idea of sensitivity and tolerance regarding oxalates. The author suggests that body tolerance and exposure levels differ. Analogies to smoking and the importance of precautionary measures are used to argue for acknowledging oxalate risks. The author encourages awareness about the dangers of ignoring oxalates' effects.
Paragraph 14: The author discusses the impact of oxalates on health and food intolerance within healthy living communities. The author highlights the need for discussions and disclaimers about oxalates' risks, especially in recipes containing high oxalate foods. The conversation touches on lowered tolerance to certain foods when adopting a lower oxalate diet.
Paragraph 15: They highlight how reducing oxalate intake might affect food sensitivities, specifically lactose intolerance. The conversation touches on the idea of gradually reintroducing eliminated foods, but the details are left for a future discussion.
Thank youuuuu ❤
As someone who has an amateur interest in nutritional studies and the plethora of contrasting advice that goes with it, I really struggle with the conflicting information when looking at these very specific topics and how they thread together. We know that the 5 blue zones in the world are where the longest living and healthiest communities in the world are and they have been studied extensively for over 20 years including their diets. They all have a predominantly plant based diet in common. The blue zone in Okinawa where they actually live the longest, get 98% of their diet from plant sources, and 67% of that diet comes from purple or orange sweet potatoes which are high in oxalates (as discussed in the video). This would literally be 1,000's of mg of oxalates daily which is significantly in excess of that advised in Toxic Superfood. So if I am not mistaken, the community who live the longest and healthiest lives on the planet live on a diet that is almost all plant based with a staggeringly high amount of oxalates in their food.
The problem is that we don't really know the true composition of the diets in these places. I don't know if this is true or not (and without actually traveling to these places and experiencing it in person, it would be hard to know for sure), but I've heard it said many times that the reports of the diets in these places was greatly misrepresented and that they actually have a much heavier animal content in their diets than what we've been told- some with a high pork content (from hunted wild pigs/boars), others with a high fresh unpasteurized milk and homemade cheese content, etc. It's been said that when the blue zone was written about, focus was placed on the unusual foods like the "purple" sweet potatoes, not because it was the focus of the diet, but because the people who studied it were looking for the "healthy" foods that could explain the longer lifespans. There was a lot of bias in the study.
What these places seem to really have in common their separation from the world of processed foods and living on fresh foods that are as close to their natural state as possible. It's difficult to believe that these places are relying on a mostly plant based diet year around as they are not relying on plants being brought to them year round. They are eating seasonally. That probably means that they are NOT eating sweet potatoes every day. (Perhaps, they had eaten many sweet potatoes in the season studied and eat none the rest of the year? Where are they getting these sweet potatoes when they aren't in season?)
Again, I don't know the validity of the information on their diet, but nothing would surprise me these days as everything seems to be based on half-truths to try to influence our way of eating.
I personally know I was mostly plant-based for a very long time and kept getting sicker and sicker. I feel much better after being mostly animal-based for over a year now. I've come across so many people who feel the same way as I do. I'm definitely not going back any time soon, no matter what they write. The nutritional information that they continue to teach in schools (and pretty much everywhere) continues to be greatly flawed (to the benefit of the pharmaceutical companies.) I have a hard time trusting this sort of thing anymore.
@@Thethingswellmake Thank you for taking the time to respond to me.
I read a lot about diets and nutrition and I can assure you that the blue zone study is, if we are being impartial, a really credible and interesting piece of work. The study has gone into painstaking lengths to ensure the accuracy of its data over a very long period. It has obviously concluded with some facts that are very inconvenient for some of the big commercial interests and agendas out there, and as expected attacks have begun. But what it is, is a vast data collection and nothing more. If it deserves any criticism then the Netflix programme was too dramatic in my view. But the facts themselves, read them yourself and make your own conclusions. The study itself does not place a huge emphasis on the diet alone and in fact dilutes the diet within 8 other categories of why people live long healthy lives.
The people you have spoken to I’m afraid are part of the misinformation problem in our society today and obviously have not read and do not understand the study. The unpasteurized dairy in Sardinia is very well documented and the lifestyle of the elders many of whom worked as shepherds with the dairy herds. The Sardinia diet is recorded to be made up of 26% dairy from their local sources of sheep and goats. And the current trends that include much meat eating in the blue zones is also well documented as being the culture of today. But that misunderstands the study - it is not about what the people of those regions do today and more recently, but about what those elders in those communities did over their lifetimes. The study makes clear for example that Okinawa is now sadly one of the unhealthiest places in Japan and has been inundated with western dietary culture, possibly due to the affects of having US naval base there!
But back to my question, and it is not particularly important if there is some discrepancy of the extent of sweet potatoes eaten by the elders in Okinawa, it could have easily been based around the Adventist elders in Loma Linda who out live most of the rest of American by considerable years with lifestyles in plain view of the rest of the US, but these diets are very high in a variety of plant foods and by default high in plant oxalates. It just does not therefore wash that oxalates are the cause of all the problems alleged in Toxic Superfoods when large communities of elderly people thrive on just plants.
Speaking of which, and I understand that you need to be diplomatic on this bit, but Toxic Superfoods arguably makes the worst case I have seen for its existence. It is almost completely lacking in scientific evidence. The problem that the author has found this ground breaking solution for, is not evidenced to exist in the first place. Surely an ethical benchmark would have been to carry out a large-scale clinical trial first and prove the problem exists. But to base a book on anecdotes from random people like “Barry” and “Amy” and the Hollywood actor who went on a stupid diet where he ate epic amounts of spinach on a daily basis over a long period and a got a kidney stone - if there is a scale of credibility, then this book is relegated firmly into the drawer of ‘junk science’. I doubt any credible medical researcher is ever going to take this book seriously.
I therefore agree with you about questioning the validity of information and half-truths out there - but if you are prepared to spend time it can be done, and coming from a medical family where I grew up around old-school professionals who placed ethics over profit my advice could be summarised as follows:
Credible medical experts do not, for the most part, write books and look for big profits from such, and sell supplements etc. They focus more on reputation among peers than personal profit.
They do not have podcasts and youtube shows and the like.
Always look at where the funding for clinical studies comes from, more than half are funded by the corporations trying to prove their interests. Ignore these studies.
Ditto conflicts of interest for research teams carrying out studies. Ignore studies with conflicts of interest, there are lots out there.
Ignore the studies that given the big sell but lack meaningful sizes of data or a peer review.
Focus on the large-scale studies out there that come from our independent reputable institutions like the Harvard nurses study, The EPIC Oxford study, the studies by the The International Agency for Research on Cancer etc.
The uncomfortable truth for a lot of commercial interests and people who are addicted to certain types of food, when you navigate your way to the actual credible material, is that when giving general advice to the wider population, there is no case at all for basing diets on animal foods. Animal food in moderation from organic sources - fine - but excess amounts of animal products are correlated and evidenced to be risk factors in the major killers of the modern world such as heart disease, and the cancers that were once rare but now dominate, like colon, breast, prostate, pancreatic cancer etc. amongst a host of other things.
Which brings us back to Loma Linda.
Best wishes.
@@OwenP111 Thanks for taking the time to clarify. Again, I basically told you to take what I said with a grain of salt because I haven't done extensive study on the topic of blue zones and don't even remember where I heard/read what I did. I can't comment on the validity of the study that you are talking about as I haven't read it and don't know enough about it.
What I will say, though, is that one can have a diet high in vegetables and still be quite low in oxalates. It's only certain vegetables that are quite high, and I (coincidentally or not) was eating a diet very highly based on those foods. For example, it's definitely not the same to get your animal fats from coconuts and avocados than from peanuts and almonds, etc. (Many of the foods high in oxalates are also high in phytic acid and/or lectins, which may also be problematic.)
While this doesn't prove anything, I've joined a lot of groups focused on oxalates and have found many people who have extremely benefited from lowering their oxalate intake. Sally's book also has a huge section of sources. I really wanted to take more time and look further into them, but, alas, didn't get around to it. So, I can't comment as I would like. I did read a few of the studies from her book way back when. I don't remember a lot, but they seemed valid and didn't seem to be biased. I don't know. It's been too long to remember. I can tell that Sally is very intelligent and very passionate about the subject. I truly think she's helping a lot of people, but I understand your concerns.
@@OwenP111 I had written a long, somewhat detailed response to your comment, and I don't know what happened to it. I came back to add one last thought and that's why I realized it was gone!
I'll try to recreate most of what I had written...
1) Like I said, take what I said about the blue zone with a grain of salt as I haven't done any extensive study on it. I don't even remember where I read/heard what I did (nor in what context). I haven't personally read the study you are mentioning, so I can't comment on it. Even if the study was very thorough and long-term, I think we have to be careful about what conclusions we draw from it. Diet is obviously a big part of lifespan, but there are so many other factors. Perhaps, when I get a chance, I'll look into it more.
2) You can have a mostly plant-based diet and still have a diet that is relatively low in oxalates. I happened to follow a diet that was very heavy in high oxalate foods. When I removed them, I was able to solve many issues that had been affecting me for years and that none of my doctors could help me with. My skin is so much clearer, and I'm no longer scratching my feet until bleeding all night. Was it the oxalates or something else? It's probably impossible to say for sure. Foods like nuts and seeds that are high in oxalates are often high in lectins and phytic acid. If I had eaten more avocados and coconuts for fat, and fewer almonds, nuts, and seeds, maybe I would have felt better? Maybe not. All I can say is that my mostly plant-based diet was making me sicker and sicker, little by little. Why? Oxalates seems to fit, but I'm open to other ideas.
3) Sally's book has a ton of sources in it. I have been meaning to start going through them, but there are so many that it is overwhelming. I did look through a few way back when I read the book last year and they seemed pretty credible and unbiased, but, again, I only looked at a few. I see Sally as being extremely intelligent, and I think she truly is trying to help people. When you finally find something that works for you after years of not understanding why your "healthy diet" is making you sicker, you really want to shout it from the rooftops. I understand wanting to write a book about it or share it on CZcams. Heck, that's why I did it! I started my blog years ago as a creative hobby when I was pregnant without knowing it could be profitable. I accidentally found out that I could make money from my hobby, but it hasn't really changed how I do things. (I don't make much money from it because I focus on my family and don't really treat it like a business, but I truly enjoy it. I would have made much more had I continued as a dentist!) The bloggers and CZcamsrs I've met are genuine and truly want to help people. Some are money-hungry, of course, but I don't see many of them in the "healthy living" niches. It's much easier to make money peddling toxic products loaded with sugar. (I have turned down several generous offers in the past for sponsored posts from companies, such as candy companies. It didn't feel right to accept money in exchange for promoting something that didn't match my values.)
I am more skeptical of, for example, cancer research agencies, as it seems to me that they have little interest in finding cures due to their own financial interests.
I totally understand your concerns. I have many doubts, but I've seen many people in Facebook groups whose lives changed after reading the book. Is it because of oxalates? It's probably impossible to say for sure, but for those of us searching for answers for years, it's the only thing that has seemed to make sense. (That doesn't mean it's the right answer, of course.)
That brings us back to the fact that I've tried vegetarian diets, mostly vegan, whole food, mostly paleo, etc., etc. None of those have ever helped me (other than maybe an initial week or two with some of them before things went bad). Mostly animal-based is the only thing that seems to be helping me longer term. Is it perfect? No, but when I follow it perfectly, I generally feel superb and my skin is clearer than it has ever been in the last 30 years! When I mostly follow it, I still feel better than I ever did, and feel so much more balanced and in control. Would I be open to other ideas? Probably, but for now, this seems to be the only thing to help me physically and emotionally.
@@Thethingswellmake Thanks for getting back again, it is refreshing to have an honest conversation with someone. With the oxalates topic - either way, I'm sure we will agree that the science is far from settled on that and a whole host of further research would be needed to understand if the overriding hypothesis is credible or not. My own opinion about health, for what it's worth, I think as a society we always think we know everything in our day. We know a lot more about health and diets than we did 30 years ago. But we will also know a lot more than we do now in 30 years time and a lot of what is being touted now will become old science. The human body is such a complex thing and there is a plethora of things that can go wrong for a plethora of reasons, and I think trying to blame one specific theory as a sole reason for a whole list of modern day ailments is just far far too simplistic. That is what I meant earlier when I talked about how specific studies may thread together with each other. As someone who is fortunate with health (I think!), that is why I personally am always more persuaded by the large data correlation studies. Not perfect, I know, but health choices are all about risks and gambles as I see it, and the odds of making certain diet and lifestyle choices and how that correlates with consensus data makes sense to me. This is what should be the general population advice. It is obviously different when someone has chronic or long-standing health issues that need addressing, then every case could be different and every solution could be different - so that's a different proposition altogether, I just wish people would get proper qualified medical advice. Anyway thank you again for responding and I wish you the best of luck with everything.
PS My dad is also a (retired) dentist. I managed to wriggle out of also doing that!
I was waiting to hear her thoughts on probiotics but it got skipped over :(( 👍
She mentions it in her book. From what I remember... (It's been a while since I read it.)
Her main point was that probiotics can't fix the problem. She thinks it's an error to say that by taking probiotics, you can get away with eating an excess of oxalates. I think she also had it in the section of supplements that one can take (or don't need to). She doesn't think they are necessary to take.
@@Thethingswellmake thanks for clarifying :)) I took the plunge and ordered her book just to be able to do the deep dive into the effective way to reduce the intake of oxalates and the effective way to eliminate them safely...thanks for this great interview...
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@@charmincat Thank you! Yes, sadly, we didn't have time, so I felt very rushed. I would like to try to interview her, getting a longer available slot for it so that we can handle more topics. I'd really like to focus on oxalate dumping as I've seen many people having issues many months into the process. (I suspect I may be one of them. ) At the time of the interview, I was feeling really well and thought I'd passed the worst of it, but I've had several cycles of dumping again since.
@@Thethingswellmake I hope that you can get her back on too. The dumpung is one of the reasons I bought the book...I want to do it properly so I don't create issues for myself by doing too much too soon!!
sorry to hear you're still having issues crop up ... hopefully they will get to being in the past soon.
sending healing your way 😇
Very interesting interview, thanks. Although at 10:46 I'll note that Alaskans on a carnivore diet have one of the worst health outcomes we know of. Extremely poor longevity results, like only living until their 50's
It's hard to know. While it may be true (I would need to see the information to make an accurate judgment), they also face many differences compared to most of us. They have limited access to sunlight (which impacts vitamin D levels), challenging living conditions, and less access to medical treatment.
@@Thethingswellmake "Extreme Nutrition: The Diet of Eskimos" on Forks over Knives is a great write-up on this, for anyone willing to learn. I can't post the link here apparently.
@@YesPlease1 Thanks! I'll take a look!
(Not sure about the linking- if it's something I did, it wasn't intentional!)
I haven't read yet, but I can post the link:
www.forksoverknives.com/wellness/extreme-nutrition-the-diet-of-eskimos/
I’ve read the article now, and I don’t think that it really has anything worthwhile to tell me.
Even if there were some evidence that some Eskimos in the 70’s had heart disease, they are eating a completely different diet and living in a completely different environment than someone who follows a more varied carnivore diet or one based on ruminant meats and living with more access to sunlight. There are plenty of people who eat higher carbs with heart disease too. So, I’m not sure how he comes to his conclusion that “Physicians and dietitians now caring for these people suffering from the western diet with the addition of too much traditional food (ancestral meat) should be prescribing a starch-based diet to help them lose excess weight and cure common dietary diseases.”
I personally do not tolerate starches well. When I eat them, I get very groggy and then am hungry all day. I gain weight very quickly. They make me have cravings and make me hungry all of the time- even if they are the so-called “healthy” starches like sweet potatoes or parsnips. Then, eating a mostly vegetable based diet, I kept getting sicker and sicker. I’m feeling much better on a meat-based diet and feel like I’m slowly detoxing from way too many oxalates and other plant toxins.
I never ate processed food and was always focused on trying to be healthy.
I find it more convincing to see the results of someone who was eating one diet and then changes. The people I know who were eating a more plant based diet that switch to a more meat based one generally all find themselves healthier in general. Their lab work improves. If they were diabetic before, they get off meds and feel great. Coronary Artery Calcium scores go from high to low or zero. Their blood pressure decreases. Their weight goes down (not always right away, but generally eventually- unless the person was too skinny to begin with.) Their hormones regulate… I could go on. So, again, it’s hard to know, but this article didn’t really convince me of anything useful.