The Expanse - The MCRN Scirocco Destroys Phoebe Station
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- Aboard The MCRN Scirocco, Bobbie and her fireteam get ready to drop on Phoebe Moon. But once it becomes clear that The UNN Nathan Hale is going to reach Phoebe first, The Scirocco takes steps to make sure no evidence of The Protomolecule remains. Although this is not publicly disclosed.
At the U.N. those with knowledge of the secret Protomolecule research and those with none, equally start bricking themselves.
Clip uploaded by request - thanks to 'Codsworth the Fresh'
From Season 2 Episode 1 "Safe"
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“Madame, by the time you see it on that display it will be too late.” “I know how the fucking thing works, answer my question.” Always makes me chuckle
And the fact the he then still emphasizes "AS OF 20 MINUTES AGO, no..." to repeat his insult, event though Avasarala just called him out for patronizing her.
I like the scifi parts but the political wing casting is insufferable.
I remember that it was just so satisfyingly delivered that I went back and watched the scene again.
I love this scene also shows how different Souther and Nguyen are. Souther knows the credentials, qualifications, and capabilities of his captains, so he knew Yvgeny never went to the academy. Nguyen doesn't care to learn.
He was also astute enough to not volunteer the information to Nguyen, so he gets what he wants and doesn't have to attack Avasarala or discredit his captain.
not to mention that Nguyen is a racist genocidal maniac and Souther is fair minded and level headed
How does someone who didn’t go to the academy end up as captain of a starship?
@@kirishima638 Different Academies? Like how the United States has Colorado Springs (Air Force), West Point (Army), New London (Coast Guard), King's Point (Merchant Marine), and Annapolis (Navy), but those are not the only source of military officers.
@@kirishima638 In the modern US military, we have multiple academies, but you don't need to go to the academy to become a commissioned officer. You can come up through OCS (officer candidate school) from enlisted, or attend an ROTC program at colleges that have them (but aren't military academies).
2:41 I love how Admiral Souther looks at Avasarala, immediately catching onto het bluff. _(The intensity in his eyes is off the charts!)_ Then plays along becuase his goals aligned with Avasarala's. Later he lets Avasarala know, perhaps to soley inform her that he could see right through her. Superb acting by Martin Roach!
She knew she was using his people... If it was not in His interest she would not have used that tact. She is a political animal, to the end.
What good is having an ally in the room, if you don't know they are an ally?
Another detail I like is how erinwright looks so glad not because war was averted but because he can rest assure knowing everything on phoebe is destroyed.
I wonder if given enough time the protomolecule could develop something inside Saturn from those leftover bits - provided there are any. I mean, it survived crashing into Venus, probably it survived that too.
@@petrowegynyolc7108 i'm pretty sure it was destroyed by the missiles
He looked disappointed it didn't start an all out war like he wanted
Pretty sure you got the wrong take on that look, twice...
@@o-wolf exactly. He wanted a war and he was mad that he was denied the research still located on Phoebe. Nothing about his body language was signaling "relief".
God _damn_ this show is so good! The shot at 4:24 is pure artistry. It starts with focus on the pensive Avasarala, then drifts down to show two important details: Phoebe Station was owned by Protogen, and Eros is still under quarantine. This means Avasarala is connecting two seemingly coincidental events: Protogen leaves Phoebe, then Phoebe is nuked by Mars. Protogen leaves Eros, now Eros is under quarantine. She's already making the connections that will lead to her exposing the entire conspiracy, and the show subtly tells us this with just one shot!
Gah! I love it! It's like *SO!* eerie! The music is the spice on-point!
And the tea cup she drinks from appears to be repaired with kintsugi. She's literally "putting the pieces together".
I think the reason this show is as good as it is, is that it doesn't insult the audiences intelligence. The more you look, the more continuity you find. Hands down the best show ever imho.
An interesting thing to note, LT. Sutton tells Bobbie later on that the Nathan Hale was carrying ten times their number. A standard Scirocco-class carries 120 marines, meaning that the Nathan Hale was carrying 1,200 men. Regardless of the Force Recon Marines, I don't think the Martians would've won that ground battle, since they would be fighting an entire UNMC battalion
Human wave doctrine
I wonder if Sutton was referring to just force recon marines, since the scirocco only carries around a dozen of Goliath equipped marines. Or maybe 10x their squad size, or just a bit of an exaggeration
I guess it was a kind of exageration to justify nuking Phoebe.. somebody on the MCR gob didnt want the UN to find what was on Phoebe and they had a hand at the Scirocco nuking it.. they probably sent intel stating that any ground battle would be pointless due to the UNN ship having numerical advantage .. the Nathan Hale certainly had more troops but doubt it was 1200
Tactics from the zapp brannigan book of war
I did the math. The Leonidas-clasa had a crew of 920. Assuming the 10x advantage meant number of people, then that means the Nathan Hale had 280 Marines. 280 UNMC vs 120 MMC. Sounds like a big disadvantage.
Looking back it’s kinda wild the captain of the Nathan Hale just allowed MCRN torpedos to get that close without using PDCs
Captain of the Nathan Hale knew they weren’t the target because the Martians didn’t target lock them.
Yeah its a bit weird that
@@OceanHedgehog I'd still think the captain of the Nathan Hale would have stopped those torpedos to prevent them from destroying Phoebe Station. Also, why did Scirocco let their torpedos fly soo close to the Nathan Hale anyways.
It's a visual fake-out that I frankly don't like. There is zero chance a captain would allow active weapons to pass within mere meters of his ship without shooting them down, and there is little chance the MCRN would fire them on a course that would bring them so close in case A) they are interpreted as a direct attack and B) that they will be shot down.
@@arandomhamster233 It's the same with the scene at the very start of the show where the Canterbury is destroyed, the missiles are just choosing the optimal flight path and, as you say, the Hale was in a perfect position to protect Phoebe, as in directly between it and the Scirocco's missile tubes.
Scirocco class is a troop carrier, invasion dedicated vessel, they fired ship's big launchers, launched big, slower, less nimble, ship to surface missiles that gain high velocities over long distances, cause ofc, they were going for Phoebe, the UNN Nathan Hale could've easily shot down those 5, if had been fired at them, but they obviously weren't, CAPT Yvgeny is a good Captain, and these were times of some of the best politics in the Expanse, and on TV overall..
I was wondering how long before one of your ship analysis was due. Cheers bud :)
@@speculativefuture9568 well, I'm good with that stuff, showrunners are also, but they leave things "open for discussions" while there's no discussions, but only wrong conclusions, which some of what, the showrunners themselves really explain here and there, and then those "have no clue" people who so called run that so called wiki fandom page correct the data eventually 😛
@@elvisibra well I appreciate your comments
@@speculativefuture9568 but not all Scirocco class ships are fully same, it's oldest MCRN production model, around 15yrs at the beginning of the show's time line, the Scirocco is one of the 1st, it has 2 PDCs mounted ventral along that attack dropship mount, the Hammurabi is a little bit different cause it's newer..
@@speculativefuture9568 can you notice what is the main difference between this older MCRN cruiser and the new one, except that new one is attack, ship to ship combat, missile dedicated vessel, there is one difference that makes them same and different at the same time..
When d admiral looked at chrisjen when she said d captain went to the academy then secretly let her know that he knows she was making stuff up just to convinve everyone to stand down😂😂🤣
Small detail but I like how the Martian Marine deployment is set up so that there’s a squad of “normal” Marines backing up Bobbie’s squad of Marines with power armor. Feels like a deployment you’d see in something like Halo 🙂
In the books that combined arms approach also includes a piloted mecha, roughly two stories tall
@@franciscofiallo8168 Yeah I remember reading about the mecha that was backing up Bobbie's squad at Ganymede when the protomolecule soldier attacked. Would have been cool to have seen on the show but no budget for it I suppose.
The Expanse is an exception of exceptions. Everything with it was good. I want a sequel of this series or a continuation. I think this deserves more views. It was one of the best shows.
I agree. I wish Amazon would fund the last 3 seasons based on the last 3 books. Shame that Alex had to be written out.
@@riogrande5761 It's quite sad but we must find a replacement or change a bit the story so far. Either way this SHOW needs money and the same people who designed the effects. The EXPANSE needs to expand into a great series.
The last two seasons suck ass
@@riogrande5761 They still can. Isn't there a 20 or 30 year time skip for the last 3 books? So they could concievably come back to it in a few years, as it would likely be an entirely new cast, with a few old names sprinkled in.
@@VeryDeathlyShiny If they are doing to bring in an entirely new cast, the can revive Alex Kamal too who is part of the story in the last 3 books. But IMO, they would need to bring back the actors of the core crew, James Holden, Amos, Naomi, etc.
She was so level headed here. From the beginning she was in charge. Love this woman!!!
Pheobe is like 200km in diameter, that was one hell of an explosion
Fun fact! If I’m remembering physics correctly, to destroy phoebe entirely they’d need to put in more energy than the gravitational binding energy holding it together. Assuming I did my math right, phoebe’s gravitational binding energy is roughly 7.196×10^22 joules, so they’d need a bomb equivalent to 17.2 trillion tons of TNT. For reference, the largest bomb ever detonated was equivalent to 50 million tons, the largest bomb ever designed but never built was equivalent to 10 billion tons, and the asteroid impact that killed the dinosaurs released anywhere between 70 and 120 trillion tons of TNT worth of energy.
Theoretically I think it should be possible to build a bomb that big, but it’d have to be building sized! Seems kind of like overkill if those are the same ones they use on enemy ships.
(In case anyone is wondering, to destroy Deimos you’d “only” need 9.6 million tons of TNT!)
Of course, since they’re not detonating these things at every point inside these moons at once, realistically you’d need even more power. Though probably not more than a dozen times more.
Update - I think I did the math wrong and my estimates are about two and a half times higher than they should be, I.e 6.19 trillion tons of TNT (spread across 5 missions) for phoebe and 3.3 million for Deimos.
I wondered if the writers knew that Phoebe is about 200km in diameter. Blowing up one of Mars' moons wouldn't necessarily be that impressive a feat, but something that big... wow.
Don’t forget the super high velocity of the missiles and the kinetic energy alone.
I miss being able to watch this show for the first time.
I miss experiencing the books for the first time as well.
the heavily outnumbered Martians thinking that they can take Earth at all will never not be funny.
If all on earth had just medium sized sticks and and somehow logistics hacks allowed all of mars (not just the military but every goddamn person) to deploy on earth with guns and gear and shit, they would be bonked to pluto and back.
Like the population, raw industrial and economic might of earth isn't very well portrayed. The reason UN military doesn't care for gizmos and wunderwaffe tech is they don't need to, not that they can't.
Remember a fucking private corporation chartered on earth dunks a martian capital ship oh shit sorry, forces an admiral in the MCRN to scuttle it because they just happened to yoink it out of their hands.
that’s what orbital bombardment is for
You'd need an absolute shit ton of ships to match all the missile silos earth could build. @@outrider425
When war did break out, they destroyed 2/5 of the Earth fleet while sustaining much lower losses.
Martian high command never thought they could actually beat earth, but they were able to hold their own.
Yeah because earth was at war within itself too ya dingus the only reason why other goverments even exist is because it suits the collective interests of earth's ruling class i.e. exterminating the stuck up fringe populations (belt) or a smart ass colony (mars) would return less gains than the investmest so they dgaf. Sittdownboii
Must have been blocking their view of Venus. Kaboom!
Love Nguyen’s character so much
Much better than the books
I always liked the buildup (slow burn if you will) in the first 3 seasons, even though I still enjoyed the Free Navy arc it just never hit the same level of compelling storytelling. With one exception being the asteroid attacks on Earth in season 5. Gaugamela was truly some of the best television that year.
I really hope humanity never gains the ability to destroy moons.
I loved that the show tried its very best for the TV- and online streaming form factor we all watch this series on to show the vast distances in space, how speed looks like in space, no moving stars, no close distance combats like in Star Trek.
The detail about the time delay on the transmission from the UNN NATHAN HALE from when the message is sent to when the message is received adds another layser of realism of how mid boggling big even our solar system is compared to everything for what we humans grew up here on Earth.
Only discovered this series a week ago.
Already on season 4
Absolutely love it.
"I know how the fucking thing works! Answer my question."
The acting, the visuals, the pacing, the depiction of space warfare - is sooo freaking brilliant! 😯😃🥰
This has been one of the best TV shows / sci-fi the past 10 years.
just a shame the last 2 seasons were rushed
Souther's an underrated character.
Brilliant series
What a great show… 😊
The Expanse was some of the finest and best drama, intrigue, and science fiction ever put to a screen!
Phoebe is VERY far from Saturn, they actually did the visual scaling very well! The debris didn't just "spiral in." It is 13M km from Saturn, or about 30x the Earth-Moon Distance. Phoebe takes 50% longer to go around Saturn than the Earth around the Sun!!!!
Oh Bobby Draper. When she was still a naive dumb grunt. Wouldve loved to see that ODST drop though🤤
Fr, what a shame we never get to see what a full squad of marines is capable of. At least we get to see Bobby and her power armor fuck shit up a few times.
The best sci-fi program ever
Yo @Speculative Future, can you upload the clip where Holden threatens to kill Amos when the Martians are boarding them (The scene is referred to by Amos to Holden when he re-joins the Rocinante)
Thank you :)
+1
@@AnirudhPsychPixel @Tom
Video should be live within the next 24 hrs. Thanks Gents
@@speculativefuture9568 Thanks man, I have few more scenes I would like to see here. Just so, I can share and all. Will update soon. Again, thank you.
@@AnirudhPsychPixel No problem, happy to do so. You know with so many episodes now, it sounds weird but I struggle to choose what to upload next. So some requests would be great.
This scene is great, but it does make me a little confused. In Season 1 a lot of the MCRN aboard the Donnager were talking about Phoebe Station as if they had actually set foot on it, but here the UN and MCRN are racing to reach it. So did the Martians land on Phoebe beforehand, leave, and then send the Scirocco there later? I guess maybe a Martian team aboard a ship designed like a Prowler from Halo would do the trick, but if that is the case, it stills seems weird that the marines on the Donnager would have that information.
There’s something about older expanse Cgi ships that is just way better than later in the series. Idk if anyone else agrees
They’re shown off more often, the later seasons had shorter space shots with multiple ships in. Like how we didn’t see any of the MCRN/UNN perspectives on the consolidated fleet offensive.
Huh
I think it's something to do with direction. Everything in the earlier seasons focused more on tension. The battles were drawn out, and you had reaction shots of how people reacted to how the battles progressed. Listening to the sounds of torpedoes, PDCs, railguns. The delivery of that one line "Who would be crazy enough to engage the Donnager in CQB?!" Coming from the character that we relate to that has the most experience in space combat tells us that something big is happening. It's at its best when mirroring submarine movies like U-571. Long shots of characters being tense as they're waiting to see if a missile misses, what the enemy is doing, if their attacks are hitting. It all feels more important because it's given personal stakes.
Additionally there tended to be less visual noise on-screen in the early seasons, tending to be battles between singular ships, not entire fleets. I don't even think I watched the show past a certain point because it started to stray from the feeling of tension that made the show interesting to me.
It might also have something to do with the power creep later seasons experienced. Once the ring gate opened and all that alien technology stuff came into play I immediately started checking out. And the things they used that power creep to excuse, like Mars falling to pieces or terrorists getting their hands on Martian stealth tech, really hit me as the moment the show went from science fiction to science fantasy.
@@witherwolf3316 It always was science fantasy
@@lazarusboi6289right xD
That was got level
how she get her helmet over that hair?
Just a question here, the shots of the mcrn missiles skirting the hale is impressive but why wouldn't the hale use its pdc's to shoot them down? They could have hit the ship and started a war
In-universe theory is maybe that they could tell based on the trajectory that the missiles weren't targeting the Hale. Real reason is probably that they forgot.
@@addisonyang3521 they could change course as they passed and hit the hale
Let's consider this in today's standards. If you had missiles flying within 1486m of a ciws equipped ship the radar and computers would automatically engage them as threats.
Don't get me wrong it's a good shot and great cgi for the budget of these earlier episodes
@@icarus_falling exactly
@@addisonyang3521 The Nathan Hale wasn’t target locked, that’s how they knew the torpedos weren’t meant for the Hale. Being target-locked is shown repeatedly throughout the show - both the show doing the targeting and the ship being targeted
Some other streaming channel needs to pick the Expanse up again. Amazon wasting money on trash shows. Should have kept this going.
Amazon only grabbed it because they needed "a big one" to hook subscribers. They're a churn and burn service.
Once they had those subscribers, they thought they'd stay with them after they canned the show.
Why didn't the Nathan Hale neutralize the missiles with their guns?
It’s kind of a terrifying thought that the nukes in the expanse universe are so powerful that 5 of them are all it takes to destroy a moon over 200 kilometres in diameter.
Why are there sounds in space?
If the missiles were so close to the hale, why didn't they PVC the shit out of them?
why no pdcs to shoot down the missles?
I love how foul-mouthed Avasarala is. So good.
Chrisjen is what Leia should have been in the sequel trilogy
Wait until they see the MCRN SRIRACHA
0:37 Is the speech a joke?
The only thing I hate about The Expanse is that they commissioned a cheap ass DVD production group who use those cheap ass purple computer disc. If it's purple it's not even made for conventional DVD players. They scratch three times easier. And the laser refraction on the lens cause it to malfunction by popping and screaming when the disc is being read. Whoever thought these disc were a good choice needs to be kicked in the nuts.
I don't understand why would you ever need to have your thrusters open in space...!? You just open them once, you aquire the speed that you want to go and then you close them... And you keep on going with the same speed!
Because the other ship is trying to get there first in this scene. There's no top speed, within reason, just put the pedal to the metal. If your engines have the efficiency such that they can fire the whole journey, you wouldn't just get to a coasting speed, you'd be burning continuously. This allows you to move at highly inefficient, but incredibly short trajectories through space. If you're a military ship, ready to do battle, the likely speed you'd want is the fastest, and in space, there is no such thing, just faster.
HEY..cool.. I own two sciroccos. A 79 and an 84
Protogen :3
1:00
This shows you how little the UN cares about the Belt. Rather than risk the Nathan Hale in any move to protect Phoebe ( "should the missiles miss Hale for whatever reason"), they let the entire moon and everything+everyone on it get annihilated.
I don't remember his name, but I do remember what he was planning. I hate that guy. 00:49
Bobby is bae
listen they sure know how to write strong female characters i really enjoy them all epic
Loved this show, one of the best on TV in a long time. Realistic and well written. On the other hand, I dispised the James Holden character and continued wishing for his demise.
Thats how I feel about Niomi.
Wouldn't the UN ship have activated its PDCs for such danger close missiles???
When AI gets good enough I'm going to replace Avasarala with an actress that I can stand to look at and listen to without cringing.
"The fragments spiralled into Saturn".
The script writers simply could not hide their incredible ignorance and stupidity with that line. Newton's laws actually exist!
I guess spiralling into Saturn is more accurate
The main thing keeping me from watching this series is Shohreh Aghdashloo's voice. Like nails on a chalk board for me.
4:05 "and the fragments spiraled into Saturn" ... Not what would happen. More basic mistakes with physics that really breaks the magic of the show.
If you do it at a certain angle with enough firepower I guess that can happen over time
@@Warsie it would be a debris field which would eventually form a ring that would last for a very long time
24 years in service never met a woman that wanted to be part of a drop or capable to lead in the front.
1:30 Spotted bitcoin logo 300 years in the future. I'm bullish!
Too bad all the dysgenic mutants that amazon stuffs their shows full of make for very unconvincing scifi characters.
I just could never get into this show, it seems like awful writing and a boring story and the "action" is both cheesy and underwhelming.
Example: Even with today's technology it is trivially easy to calculate the trajectory of a missile, they would have known instantly that those missile were not targeting the ship.
Its a good show but that martian chick really sucks as a actress 😂
This is the most of this show I've ever watched. Notes:
Kind of disappointed that despite how much it's talked up, this is just as cheesy and melodramatic as any other sci-fi show with the direction and writing and "good god" and weird marine cheerleading. Oh, and it's not a computer on a tv show if it doesn't constantly beep and boop during mundane tasks 🙄
Anyway, 2000's Battlestar Galactica is enough space opera for one lifetime 😅, and presuming I'll never get myself to watch this, I'm going to make the unoriginal joke that there are more locations like Phoebe that are presumed similarly named after FRIENDS characters.
You know Greek mythology existed long before that sitcom, yes?
You should watch the show. You are really missing out... Your loss, I suppose...