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- čas přidán 6. 06. 2016
- Al Snow on Kurt Angle/Daniel Puder Tough Enough Incident
6 Time WWE Hardcore Champion, WWE Tough Enough Trainer, WWE Tag Team Champion and current TNA Star Al Snow gives his opinion on the amateur wrestling/keylock incident that took place during a Tough Enough 4 Smackdown segment between then WWE Star Kurt Angle and contestant/MMA Fighter Daniel Puder!
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I like the way Al Snow talks and carries himself. Very proper etiquette. Very nice man.
@Anthony D why would saying someone is well mannered be gay?
Would someone calling your dad a good person be actually be calling him Gay?! 😶
@@luckyeddy350 sounds like Anthony is in denial and has a secret lol
Anthony D no a lot of wrestlers are quite educated, what does their language etiquette have to do with it
Matteo Mochi lmao🤣🤣🤣
Man it really shows you how well he could sell a character ! Al Snow & Head is a million miles away from this guy
Al is a pro wrestler in its truest form. Highly tuned into teaching his craft
Al is a smart guy, understands the business
He's one of the few guys that you never see have a "_____ shoots on/buries Al Snow." I loved him in the ring as a kid (even with the "help me" gimmick) and I love him even more now that he's one of the elder statesmen shelling out stories like this.
SPPSports bring him bk
He admitted he didn't understand why his gimmick was over on the audience, goes to show you he was never a mark which means he will never truly understand.
underachiever in 'sports entertainment' is someone who doesn't kiss mcmahon ass or eat mcmahon shit. al snow could learn alot from triple-h.
He understands professional wrestling. Who knows if he understands the business. He may very well understand balance sheets, profit margins, TV ratings ect... but none of us know if he does or doesn't
if the WWE had any integrity Al Snow should have been a general manager
cryospiral what does everybody want????
I'd rather see Snow either on commentary or as some sort of backstage worker who stays in character. Keeps head with him, etc. I think it would be great.
dagameplayer absolutely.. sorta like an on camera road agent.
Baraka It totally makes sense. Just because YOU don't see it, doesn't mean the rest of us agree.
Bro. Even the gm role is fake
for people who are surprised that AL Snow is very knowledgable in this video, he's in the business for decades, that alone is enough, but he also owns OVW, one of WWEs developmental territories. He should know everything from ground up because those kind of promotions builds our future favorite superstars/wrestlers. They're responsible for training great wrestlers before they go big time
OVW is not one of WWE’s developmental territories and hasn’t been since 2009 when they switched to Steve Keirn’s FCW down in Tampa which eventually turned into NXT and moved across the state to Orlando.
@@gothard5 thanks for the clarification on that
It's a trip how he was at UFC 4 working Dan Severn's corner. Al Snow is awesome.
NO WAY. did not know this. thanks for sharing that. Dan the best Severn is a fucking legend in MMA and i definitely remember Al and the doll head.
@@stocktonslap209 He also helped train both Dan and Don frye for wrestling, eventually Don went and trained with curt Henning.
Never used to rate Al Snow back in the day. Mans got one hell of a head on his shoulders!
Should have been pushed as a GM for sure
“What does everybody want!?” “HEAD!”
The guys with the most knowledge and outlook on the business are pretty much always guys who never went past mid card level. There are rare exceptions but for the most part it's true, as those guys have to get that knowledge and experience as they aren't the most naturally talented or charismatic. That's why they always make the best trainers also.
@@SugarRayTaylor I'm two years late commenting, but this sounds very similar to how it is in football, basketball, and baseball. The guys who were either career backups or didn't make the league at all, have the most knowledge because they were most likely around coaches a lot and they had to grind a little harder than say the Lebron's, mahomes etc
Al Snow looks fantastic!
@@davekirst7511 I think you're just looking at your own reflection.
QuickStix26 lmao
Dave Kirst bet you were raised by a couple
Yup. Compare Al and Brock Lesnar right now.
Who would have thought the dude who carried a head would be so chill, calm, and collected.
I didnt get it till i was older but "whaaat does everybody waaaant, heeeead!!
I could listen to al snow talk wrestling all day
Intelligent, insightful guy.
eltubster14 I learned so much about wrestling just watching 5 minute tube videos of him teaching
eltubster14 Scott Steiner Big poppa pump!
and its a shame they couldn't do anything with this guy, gave him a dumbass gimmick and went no where with it
WOW Al snow looks amazing
Trt
He is really into the DDP yoga program aswell as being on TRT bc of the damage steroids caused him
@@ThePsyyyyyduck what is TRT?
@@nicksantillano8553 Testosterone Replacement Treatment. basically a type of steroid treatment
@@ThePsyyyyyduck got it, thank you
Downright foolish of McMahon to ignore Al when Al was entrusted with training them!!!!!!!!! Vince must think he knows everything there is to know about wrestling!!!!!!!!!
I think it is well established he thinks he knows everything about everything ever. The man is a clown. He made WWE huge and made much money but god damn he managed to ruin wrestling in the last 10 years, especially the last 2. Rooting for AEW but they also have a man who doesn't listen to reason sadly.
"He's a millionaire who should be a billionaire"
He’s a well spoken guy that knows the business.
Al Snow should be doing Triple H's job. He sees the big picture. It's obvious that current management is very short sided.
Should work WITH triple H
I think Triple H is doing a decent job actually. I think RAW has become more exciting than it was 2 years ago when they first started the draft.
Triple H is horrid...
@@connorkimbral3034 raw has become more mundane and boring since Triple H took over.
@tonshaad1230 You obviously don’t watch NXT. Triple H has no power over the main shows, but NXT, which he runs, is at an all-time high right now.
Would LOVE to have Al on an episode of Dark Side of the Ring... he's so well-spoken, man!
Why?
Him eating Pepper
You got your wish he’s on the new episode of Dark Side about Marty Jannetty
He is now.
Al Snow should be teaching at NXT.
He owns OVW now.
I think “The head” gimmick was now more deep and powerful meaning where he was metaphorically carrying the intelligence of the WWE in that interview! 😮
Did they not learn from Brawn for All that shoot match ups aren't good ideas.
wyrw
It seems not.
Met Al once in Danville, IL. The guy was smiles start to finish at his table that day. Wish I would’ve spoken to him more since my friends in Yavin 4 had their merch table next to him, but I didn’t want to bother him during his downtime. Was definitely polite and still very much strong looking still doing indie matches.
He had the best entrance. What does everybody want? (Head) What does everybody need? (Head)
AL Snow aged good dude still looks in shape
Looking sharp at his age
I remember Daniel puder and that tough season if people don't remember he has experience in MMA
Gustavo Alba k
@@acdclife94 k
Al Snow looks like Dave Grohl in 10 years.
Cory There goes my hero...
Heh, even with the grey in his beard, he looks younger than Grohl does these days.
He really do!!!! Lol 😂
Or tom Araya
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I could listen to Al Snow talk about wrestling all day
One of my favorite wrestlers ever Job Squad
The whole idea was stupid. was meant to make wwe guys look OP and sell wrestling but they expected the young guys to just lie down and sell (which was essentially the test) but never told them that so pride kicked in and people defended themselves. they thought that would win the contract. selling the beatdown would have scored more points but you needed to give them a heads up lol
They hire new people for the job but they don't tell them what the job is and they put them on stage in a live event. It is stupid.
tough enough died when mtv took it over. it wasnt tough enough anymore it was a bad reality show that had almost zero to do with wrestling and more to do with shock value
@@Zodroo_Tint It was a very "Vince" attitude, for sure. If they ever decide to do another Tough Enough revival, I'm hoping they do a better job creating the right expectations for the contestants. Also, don't let the internet vote, I don't know what they were smoking with that on the last season that ended up keeping ZZ, who was completely worthless, or every week but ditching people who actually had lots of potential.
Sorry but for example Big Show looked so bad, irrational, childish and pathetic, getting madder and madder at those dumb kids just because of his fragile ego getting bruised. Also it makes the wrestlers look lide shady carnies with a lot of dirt to hide, when they get so protective and belligerent about the business.
Al Snow, spitting some truth mixed with common sense.
Love the way he clarified that this wasn’t about Kurt being embarrassed he almost tapped but that what they did was dangerous and I was watching the incident and it’s not fake anger by Angle he was legit mad!!!
I always wondered why he left. Now I know. Thanks for asking Al this question.
After that Royal Rumble fiasco...I wouldn't have re-signed either.
Whoa. What a straight, completely objective answer.
What does everybody want?
Loved this guy. I didn't realise it at the time, but with hindsight he's a hero.
Vince should hire Al snow right now things need to be changed in the WWE.
He’s aged great. Very very handsome.
Thanks Coach - Puder!
Daniel Puder Yeah lucky for Kurt you were a nice guy. Others would have snapped, crackle and popped it. 😆
Snow completely contradicted Angle's sour words about you..
I was long gone from wrestling as a fan by this point, but loved the footage of Puder getting Kurt Angle in that situation. If Puder was in wrestling, I’d probably come back as a fan just to see him. - BJS
Angle pinned you!
Duuuude you are the man
Here's how I would book this.
One night on Smackdown, Kurt Angle and Hardcore Holly start beating up Daniel Puder, and then "WHAT DOES EVERYBODY WANT?" Al Snow comes to his aid.
This leads to a tag team match at No Way Out. Puder & Snow vs Angle & Holly.
The Finish, Puder puts Kurt in a Key Lock, Kurt (realizing that the ref isn't gonna bail him out this time, since Puder's shoulders were NOT down and he was NOT pinning himself) TAPS OUT!!!! What better place to have this match than at No Way Out, cause there was no way out of that key lock for Kurt.
After the match Holly tries to attack Puder, but Al Snow knocks Holly out with Head.
Angle knew it was a shoot, broke the ribs of guy before puder and gets locked in a submission hold in a shoot match.
I just need to say, it was not a key lock. Positioning and application is completely different. That submission puder did on angle is called a kimura.
Yes its kimura lock..
Correct. A Kimura is a joint lock - a shoulder lock.
A Kimura is a type of Keylock. There are several variations.
Puders career went as far as the Rumble, Puder went on the mic & said he,d be the first rookie to win it. Unfortunately Benoit was in the ring & he loved making an example of new guys. Hence Puders feelings of hazing & his short run.
Keep telling ppl . Kurt is taught to pin ppl . Not look out for submissions and chokes. Thus from someone whos done real fights all their life . MMA/Jiujitsu = Chokes and joint locks from all and any position on the ground. See the difference folks
Thank you. They always wanting to defend Kurt Angle. Puder would have stomped those guys asses.
This story never gets old.
So basically they tried to punk the rookies and the rookies wasn’t going lol
I never liked Snows gimmick with the head but after watching all his interviews I respect how much knowledge this guy has.
RIP Bad Bones John Klinger!
So nice seeing Al wearing that shirt
AL SNOW was in the ufc befor he was in wrestling....I saw him in Dan sevrens corner at some of his fights....
Dark Coven Damn
@Dark Coven bro who hurt you
XD hah. This fucking guy getting all mad. I swear these hardcore UFC fans are the worst.
Havent watched WWE in forever and I like the UFC. Yet you don't see me commenting on every fucking wwe vid cussing peeps out.
Al Snow was wrestling before the UFC even existed. By quite a while, in fact. But he did help train Dam Severn, this is true.
I can listen to Al Snow talk about wrestling all day!
Technically, Angle didn't get owned in this. I've been reading some of the comments. This was supposed to be amateur wrestling. A "key" lock, is not legal in amateur wrestling. Before anyone asks, yes Kurt Angle is my one of my top 2 favorite wrestlers and I was a bit butt hurt about this! Also, I put "key" lock because I didn't want to look up Kamiura lock because I figured I would misspell it!
was about to say that the supposed "key lock" looked very much like a Kimura.
Troll King A choke isn't, but a front chancery is very legal.
Kurt shouldn’t have went ham and injured the dude he wrestled before Puder. Puder was defending himself and had every right. Angle wanted a shoot because he had a chip on his shoulder about being a tough guy. Well Puder obliged and may have broken his arm if the ref wasn’t there
Chris Link ref Said Kurt was only meant to wrestle one person
He got a big ego so he called out another after breaking the first dudes ribs and subbing him.
Problem was it was a mediocre to bad mma fighter, who caught and cranked his arm.
Karma really
unique name here Kimura🙄🙄
What was Puder supposed to do? It was a lose/lose situation. If he loses, he makes himself look like a fool, if he wins, he gets yelled at for making Kurt look bad
He wasn’t supposed to get Kurt into a submission in a damn amateur style wrestling match. Locks and submissions are illegal in amateur style wrestling.
But overall, this was a stupid idea and the TE guys should have been told you’re not really trying to beat Angle… Probably Vince’s fault.
It was technically on Vince and partially on Kurt too. It was Vince's idea for Kurt Angle to do these shoot matches with some of the contestants, but he also recommended to not pick Daniel Puder. Angle, being the person that he is, probably saw it as a challenge and picked him. The last thing he probably expected was to be put in a key lock and nearly have his arm broken right after coming back from neck surgery. Puder also had a huge ego coming into WWE, so he was stroking his own ego for having Angle in a submission, even though the match was an amateur style wrestling match, meaning only pinfalls. I do agree with Al Snow on this that these two events happening made no sense. What made sense on Al Snow's part was having the Big Show do chops instead of body slams.
He could have tried to win without cheating. If he loses he loses to an Olympic Gold medalist. That doesn't make anyone look bad.
i've heard angle talk about it but the truth is, puder could've snapped his arm for real!! but angle would never admit that.
puder is a pussy, plain and simple. it's supposed to be a fake wrestling match and kurt was never trying to hurt him... puder was just being a little bitch. Kurt was the fucking man.
You heard this interview and you still didnt get it? It was no fake Wrestling match. It was a shoot. They send these guys out there to have a shoot match against Angle who was genuinely hurting them. He broke Chris Nawrockis fucking ribs and made him tap in a neck crank only seconds before the Puder incident. I would not expect Puder to step into there and gently wait for Angle to Smash him.
Chandler Keaton interesting. So applying a neck crank in an amateur wrestling match is completely fine and also less dangerous for you?
Zylo a key lock is a bjj move angle wasn’t mad because he almost broke his arm he was mad cause purée pinned himself at the same time
@@Michael_Chandler_Keaton wrong puder asked if submissions was aloud and they said yes, the only thing that wasn't aloud was using strikes. I like Kurt he's a great wrestler and gimmick but ready or not he's not beating a young and fresh 20 something year old in that kind of set up, especially after already facing the other guy and top it off with whatever injuries he's had there is NO WAY Kurt is winning. If it was just Olympic wrestling rules only then yes Kurt would have the edge with his strength and experience.
"What dose everybody want?"
"What dose everybody need?"
"What dose everybody love?
HEAD!
I remember watching the Tough Enough segment on Wrestling With Wregret, and at the end, Puder went on TMZ and said that he only made $250,000 out of the deal he was offered when he thought he would make the whole million for the time he was in WWE!
Al snow is an awesome person I miss his role in the wwe and ecw
al snow is a good man and honest about the business and is a benefit to wrestling
Referee was low-key the star in the Angle/Puder match. Prevented a disaster.
Remember when Al snow and Steve Blackman were tag team partners ❤️
Yes good old days
Yup. I also remember when Al and Marty Jannetty were the New Rockers. That was before he was Al Snow though. He was Leif Cassidy at that time.
I hope Puder enjoyed his victory. Of course, he went on to be a big star in wrestling, right?
dude had legit talent Kurt Angle was a gold medal level real wrestler and Puder had him in a lock he couldn't get out of he legit beat him,honestly the guy should go MMA or wrestle somewhere else if the WWE doesn't want him because he's got a background and skill in real wrestling
@@Aaron-zu3xn wrestlers hey caught in submissions a whole lot.
@@Aaron-zu3xn Amateur wrestling forbids submission so Kurt won by technically.
@@ay613 it was a match that allowed for submissions ala a legitimate catch wrestling match where pins and submissions are the way to win.
Wait, I’m confused on something. He won the contract for a million over four years, but offered him less than what the contract says during the second year. Isn’t that a breach of contract? He was suppose to get 250 grand per year.
Vince McMahon is a legend, but also a slime ball. He knows how to write the fine print in a contract to save himself money, but still legally be allowed to call it a “million dollar” contract.
Late to this party, but legally they could offer him a new deal every day if they wished, just up to Purer whether he takes it, and a lot of contracts have an 'out' written into them, even a contract for a regular 9-5, and either Puder or WWE decided to make use of it.
CrashOverride100 yeah pretty sure WWE used the out... the contract was designed to draw interest but I’m sure there was an out for every year of the deal... if Puder works out and becomes a megastar WWE got him locked in at a discount but once the deemed he wasn’t worth another 250 they could save money with a new deal
Al is so savvy. I love listening to him and Jim Cornette
He has a great mind for the business
Well, if 90% of the locker room hates you. And you pissed off one of the guys who's good friends with the boss. Would you take the offer of extending your contract knowing that the locker room hates you and you will most likely be hazed for the rest of your life.
the backstage is full of jealousy - Puder should have accepted the contract and just work with everybody.
@@Rzerac Why did backstage hate him, because they knew he was a legit fighter?
@@ab8893_ because he was way over his head, could not sell to save his life and deliberately made Kurt Angle look bad. Since Puder could not sell, the guys gave him stiff chops to make sure he sold all their moves.
@@HonestFarmerLigue1Fan that's Kurt & WWE's own fault if they decided to not listen to Al Snow regarding not having a worked setup with Kurt Angle. It was a shoot amateur wrestling challenge. Dan was clearly the better man that day.
@Rzerac Clearly you're an embarrassment and have no idea what you're talking about. Daniel looked like a total ass!
I can see why Dan Severn always puts this guy over. Very intelligent and a class act.
He hurt angles feelings and that was the issue
Puffer would have ripped his arm clean off had the ref not stepped in
When the young guys had to cut promos on Big Show, they were all talking smack. At the time, I was hoping one of them would ask Big Show to team with them. "Big Show, with your size and strength, team with my youth and hunger and the two of us could rule the WWE!"
I still remember the royal rumble when they squashed Puder lol.
Which one was that
@@shermhart7617 2005
Looking back at the old Tough Enough, I think Kenny King, Eric Markovcy and Greg Whitmoyer should have been signed with WWE.
I forgot exactly what happened but the guys in season 2 screwed themselves which is why WWE went with Linda Myles and Jackie Gayda... I believe that was Kenny King’s season... and the fact that he’s never been in WWE says a lot
Al Snow with a Bad Bones John Klinger T Shirt. Epic.
Al is a brilliant wrestler in terms of ability, either had fairly lame gimmicks, didn't look the part, whatever it was, but he was a really good wrestler.
Look at the era he was in though. Not only a ton of superstars, but a ton of spotlight hogging.
Kurt said on his podcast the Angle show #6 the he couldn't escape because of his neck injury, it made his arms weak.
Fuck that, he was overconfident and got caught, simple as that. Ain't no one escaping kimura thats already locked in, atleast not without breaking your arm.
@@shawnmichael321 Kurt also had a broken neck
daniel puder - bart gunn
Puder should have taken that second contract. Not enough money is a big whoop imo. That second contract could've given him the experience he needed. Snow even said they saw potential in Puder. But all he cared about was the money. Not the life.
All snow is an O.G. status player in the biz. Period.
Al should of gotten a bigger part in management then he did.
Always like listening to Al Snow. Guy just cuts to the heart of it. The shit he says makes sense.
Al Snow looks better now than he did back in the day, my goodness. Very nice lol
I like this guy... seems like a solid guy
We got one great thing out of Daniel Puder: Guerrero, Benoit & Holly beating the hell out of him in the 2005 Royal Rumble.
You think they’ve would’ve learn from Brawl for All not to make things like this real
Chris Benoit and Eddie Guerrero weren’t too happy of how Daniel Puder did to their best friend in Kurt Angle, so at the Royal Rumble match, they decided to teach him a lesson for that, and beat him up senselessly, and even wanting Hardcore Holly to join in at one point!!
Holly did join in. Even hit the Alabama slammer on him ridiculously hard
@@bfg5291 man, it just goes to show you, do not mess with a wrestler who’s incredibly respected and well-loved, and even crossing with another wrestler who’s absolutely hates young rookies!!
who was that segment supposed to put over? if angle embarasses them, then he made a bunch of amateurs look stupid, but if one of them makes him look bad, then one of your main eventers lose credibility......just like with the big show, they all no sold his bodyslam, if it were me in that situation i would sell his bodyslam, but they all wanted to look tough and stood up right away acting all tough so big show dropped the elbow on one of them
Al Snow, looks GREAT!!!!!
If that was supposed to an amateur match then the kimura was an illegal move. I agree with Al snow that it was a horrible idea.
I can remember this you could tell soon as the mma guy got his arm kurt was tap or snap and the reff saved the day with the fastest 3 count ever seen
that was such a weird moment
Omg old snow.. lol miss attitude era y'all. What does everybody waaaaant?
HEAD!!!
I don't know if it was taken before this or at some point after it but I saw a recent pic of Al Snow and he was fucking jacked.
when big show salmmed that guy he had to sell it, thats just disrespectful
Nothing is tougher than an Olympic NCAA wrestler
Yeah I don’t think so he almost got his arm broken that night by Daniel Puder 😂😂
Yeah that’s why Brock Lesnar is one of the toughest mfers 😂😂😂
Damn he looks better than when he's wrestlering
Al has one of the best minds in the business
He's the most rational, logical guy!!
If Vince listened to Al Snow and had the Big Show chop the guys instead of slamming them.
The chops Puder took at the
Rumble would not have hurt so much. Especially by comparison.
...I thought that was ricky gervais in the thumbnail
Chops would have made a much, much bigger impact on the crowd, as well as the rookies. Like Snow said, selling isn't a choice in that scenario. Especially when you KNOW that Big Show is going to put everything in every chop.
The fact is: puder lock angle's hand to broke it & refree pin to save angle. Puder is the real winner
Puder used a hold which is illegal in amateur wrestling, and that bit was supposed to be amateur wrestling. He would lose the match.
it was not a ufc match, Puder did'nt understand wwe
It looked like a kimura sweep attempt actually to get on top side control.
Looking back, Kurt got what he deserved. He challenged a shoot fighter to a shoot fight. What did Angle think was going to happen?
And he was injured on top of that. Not too smart indeed.
I don't always agree with Al Snow, but he is right on this one.