After-video insert 1: To the people who keep saying Chong Yue has poor damage, or that Chong Yue takes too long to set up, you all really don't want to make the game easier for yourself to experience the literal monster damage that Chong Yue offers that is higher than the likes of Thorns, Blaze, Mountain, Mudrock. It's almost as if you never gave the video a minute to watch. It's literally faster to activate Chong Yue's infinite skill than it is to activate Thorns, why are you all whining. And also, about adding a medic, or a healing defender to assist Chong Yue, I really don't understand why are people emphasizing that it's a bad thing when you more often add a multi-target medic or other damage dealers even if you were just using a Mountain. There are way too many skill issue comments for this video alone. After-video insert 2: I’m very surprised by the number of people who seems upset about the comparison being central to the video. This question is probably the most asked amongst all operators, and the reason why I also approached it was because of how Chong Yue is a rather dismissed operator as compared to Mountain. While yes Arknights is a game where you do not need to compare and say which operator is better due to different stages letting different operators shine, there isn’t much harm to tell people who desperately wants quick answers on who is better. In this case, to quantify ‘better’, what metrics are we to use? Is it ease of use, power, types of enemies they can kill? It’s not exactly easy because player to player seek different wants, but actually more often people don’t have such wants because the larger player base is just casual players. Hence, the best way to then describe better is how many more stages does an operator find use than another operator. Chong Yue overall is visibly a better stage simplifier than Mountain. This doesn’t mean that Mountain is bad, Mountain is a stellar unit on the ranks of Mudrock, Thorns, Blaze, etc. But Chong Yue simply has skill sets that makes him more powerful (if not too powerful). I’m not a fan of comparing units myself as I use every unit in the game, but making such videos is for me to offer those who wants to hear from the experiences I had.
Those weirdos who think "comparison" videos are bad thinks it's somehow "toxic" to evaluate and compare objective facts about the game. Because they poured resources and time to a character. And they are salty. It's fine to compare which is faster/stronger/which is better for a certain stage. That's why tier lists exist. Bosskilling, lane holding, healing whatever, every branch/class has the best and way better than others at what they do.
Are these negative comments ur mentioning being removed? cux I don't see alot of ppl being annoying. On the otherhand I agree that ppl should stop being so offended for fictional characters on matter like this smh
All gacha players are babies and triggered by the word comparison Especially in game like AK where a stupid phrase like "there are no bad ops only bad doctors" unironically exists and is used Insecurity is one hell of a drug
Well for me if I'm super lazy I will throw Mountain in a lane and setup other lane If I'm just lazy I will throw Mr.Chong in and give him Skadi Alter + Chen with module on other lane so he can be charge anyway. In conclusion Chong Yue setup is not long at all lol
the way to use Chongyue and Mountain in stages is the same way as in fanfiction, place Mountain directly behind Chongyue and the universe will be at peace.
I'm gonna be real, I never understood why people compared them outside of them having the same class. Mountain is a lane holder with a skill that lets you drop and forget him. Chongyue does incredible damage at a good range but will turn to dust if left alone for more than 3 seconds. It's like comparing silverash to thorns: just use them both lmao
The point of comparing operators is precisely to know what what they can do, which is easier when using another unit as reference. That they are both of the same class and subclass is a valid starting point form where to compare 2 units, and then see where do they diverge and in which circumstances they perform at their best. I know discussions such as this tend to invite toxic behavior, but they are not fundamentally wrong. I hate how such a large portion of the community is so deathly allergic to comparisons.
Two reasons I prefer Chongyue over Mountain: - he has longer range with skill S3, which makes him really good with Stainless' S3; to begin with turrets help to charge it but once you are done with it: retreat, redeploy and now he has double the range, AoE damage and it charges really fast - you can place him behind a defender or some other unit that will keep enemies in place, which solves his block 1 issue (and if said unit is healing defender also matter of healing) and you can still do turret shenanigans
He's my staple lane holder nowadays together with Skadi Alter his burst becomes far more noticeable. In my main account I had a Chen with lvl 3 module which makes him trigger his S3 more while Chen can just use S1 to auto stun enemy for that AFK experience.
He benefits greatly from any and all atk buffers, only reason Skalter is brought up more is because her buff is permanent, and additionally she provides some survivavility.
Long story short: Mountain is a very strong and simple solo lane holder. Meanwhile, Chongyue (when fully charged) f*ck everything up, especially with buffs and protection/healing. Put a defender in front of him so he won’t get hit, or put a defender behind him so he won’t leak and everything is set.
Ever since i got chongyue, i never did a trust farm without him again. He's just so good, he can even solo dps some farm stages with warfarin(passive sp and warfarin second skill to help him deal damage before 5th skill activation) he just so good he melts even high def enemies
For me i have to plan out a stage with Chnguy in mind. With Mountain i just drop him and know that i don't have to worry about him, that lane or baby sit him for him to become useful. But thats me personally
My rule of thumb is that Mountain works better as a laneholder while Chongyue works better as the damage dealer. Mountain can be placed anywhere to lane hold alone and will work fine. Chongyue will need some help of a blocker in front or behind and a healer (best option is Skalter). To compensate for needing more ops he basically deals so much damage to so many lanes that he can clear mobs very easily and fast.
Specifically Mountain works better as a solo laneholder due to not needing support. Chongyue needs support to get heal and to prevent leaks, assuming if he doesn’t have his skill fully charged or that there’s multiple high HP enemies.
@@Zack_Zander Chong Yue's main niche is that after his skill 3 activates he can handle more than 1 lanes and can hit every enemy in one tile. That basically makes him several lane damage dealers if you have blockers for those lanes.
Tbh people talking too much bout how chong need healing when a medic range is really wide (evenmore so for eyajlter later) and most range unit dont have regen so u need healer anyway and if play smart posinitiong one medic can be in range for the chong and several other ops
thank you so much Kukki for this video, ily 🥺 as a Chongyue simp my heart always kinda sank a bit when ppl compare Chongyue with Mountain bc most of the time they will say Mountain is better, and I also thought the same! until I saw this vid (eventho I rly want bigbro to be the strongest 🥲) and I have Chongyue at max pot, max level and also skill masteries so watching this video makes me feel validated abt building him 🤣
I really enjoy playing with Chongyue so far, my only complain is his long change for s3, even with his talent, a lot of the times stage just ended before he gets full auto. Hope HG gonna give him some sp+ module, like talent buff or something.
I dont see any sp issue even without "stainless", chong s3m3 is alrdy faster for me. Imagine complaining sp issue, who the hell placing any dps near him to not let him charge zz, his aspd is very fast so no reason to complain.
Ch'en and Saria at module level 2 (that charge sp) are great for cutting down time, and Warfarin works with him too like she does with Saga's S2. Dont forget Quercus S2. There are more than a few characters that help with his sp. I've not had issue with his sp even without these operators, but it is nicer to have his s3 charged.
I have both of them.. but overal I still used mountain more than chongyue. He excell more for straight up early usage since he doesn't need a lot of set up, and he just need to activate his skill to hold down a lane. I can just put him in a lane and use other operator for extra damage and wave clearing support 🤔
Have big bro activate his skill and then put mountain in front and you'll have the best of both worlds Mountain prevents anything getting close to Chongyue and Big bro kills anything that is too tough for Mtn to handle
I like chong yue a lot, his range go to 4 way which mean he can help dps towards lane next to him and also his own lane, bringing another chara to block the enemy, and then just watch
Nice video, personally i do like the approach of using mountain as a comparison, Comparison is a good way to emphasize something in a wider context, and not in a vacuum of the only things he's good at, since you managed to hit the good and bad of each operators, it is a pretty fair comparison people are upset because there's a trigger word "better" and once they hear it, the rest of the video is just ignored the thing i find that's out of place is chongyue skill 1 segment, with the amount of buffs he got, his normal attack is already killing the boss so it kinda diminishes the potential of the skill, and also this is a pretty extreme example, including team buffers and precharged skill, it doesnt really show its practicality
The moment before his banner appeared, I wasnt interested to get him or Lin at all. But after a couple of days, something hit me and I found out his 3rd skill an interesting gimmick. Well, I spent a lot on that banner and got everyone and yeah, I do not regret upgrading Chongus, he is really dope
I don't get ppl who said Mountain was so much better. Sure Chongyue needs medic assistance, but his damage is stupidly high and 9 out of 10 times he kills enemies before they even come to him. and it doesn't take a lot to charge his skill. Also great funny starts if you add Stainless s3 to pair with him.
My brain is full of dollkeepers and professional breeders ("tacticians") so I don't have enough surplus bandwidth to press his button more than once before I forget that I deployed him.
You can't define a better one imo, Mountain is that "drop him in a lane press S2 and never look back" 1 man army who can handle any lane unless they have very high def and 2 shot him. Chong Yue is more like a thorns but needs help and offer a much higher dmg ceiling
I always use chongyue since I got him on EVERY gamemode or stages instead of mountain, blaze, thorns or any op when it comes to elite and mob clearing and prolly even bosses. He's so useful, I always pair him with saria to sustain his one block and healing for the early part of the stage and when his s3 got fully activated, i'll just sleep tbh. Thank you for the commentaries about chongyue, it's just sad some players are underestimating him.
there is a meta for ending 3 in ra where people just give chongyue and skalter food and give chongyue sp battery and make all enemy get clogged on a spot and destroy them all.
You guys are not making it better with all these clickbait thumbnails. Chongyue: DPS glasscanon Mountain: Cheap laneholder Neither is better than the other. Mountain is more frequently used due to his low requirement. Chongyue offers damage, true AoE and range while Mountain offers quick early-late stage counter of enemies with barely any brains needed. The entire topic has been dismissed in CN communities because it ended up just like SilverAsh vs Thorns. They're both strong. Pick and choose.. or use both since they cost 11 dp for some reason.
Side note, I think it's better to stop focusing on "the best" out of branch and just point out each operator's pros and cons. And if you make "best operator" then it would make sense to make a section pointing out a character's flaws. ChongYue has many issues that make people gloss over him which is understandable. It would benefit all players new and veteran.
would m2 on his s3 better than m3, cuz talent 1 only activates with normal attack, getting 20% more normal attack before skill mean more likely talent 1 will activate, and 65% multiplier is multiplied after the skill multiplier, so it's 350% x 1.65 = 577%,(a lot of people mistakes this for +65% when like I said it multiplies with his skill) of his attack compared to s3 which is only 380%, so in short, less 380% for a chance to get more 577% mixed in with 350%
Number 1, if an operator's M3 is apparently more powerful than an M2, from a game design perspective, isn't that a complete failure Number 2, you seem to only be concerned about the singular hit and not how if Chong Yue was applying his attacks over a period of time like 40 hits, the overall damage from an 8SP skill cost is much higher than a 10SP skill cost.
For me, personally, Chongyue has finally made me believe in Brawler Guards. Seriously, my Mountain has been at E1 Max for the longest time, just because I haven't been too keen on the subclass.
Your S1 showcase against EB makes me want to build his S1 on both EN and EN. 🤣 (Edit: Meant S1, not S2. My apologies.) I was confused by the Mountain and Chong at first until you explained further. Pretty good explanation indeed.
If you use chong yue in a map that's good for him then he's definitely better. If you use mountain in a map where he'd be better then he's clearly better. They're the same class but their purpose can be very different. Comparing them by the simple terms of "who is stronger?" is as dumb as complaining that a romcom isn't as action packed as a battle shonen
You can put mountain on literally any stage at any point of said and by himself and he will be strong and useful while you would need multiple ops supporting chong and he would need to be placed almost immediately so he can charge up his skill (during which hes basically half a unit) I have both at lv90 and M3 Best thing about chong is that he scales insanely hard with IS buffs
I feel like it's a bit disingenuous to showcase Chongyue is buffers without making a note of it and even attributing it to your Skill not being M3. The buffs he got overcompensates for his lack of M3 He got his attack increased to 1721 from 612 and that's before Suzu's buff
Mountain is so overrated ngl. I totally understand why people like him but its sad what they don't even want to give chongyue a chance because he's not "super strong place and forget operator" The whole reason of his hate is people laziness to press S3 button on right time. He's good without buffs but overpowered if you help him a bit (5k damage TWICE with skalter each 3 seconds) There WILL be a day when everyone wish they had chongyue because his module will make him even stronger than he is right now
Both of them have different uses and that's it. But ngl i find Chongyue to be way more fun than Mountain, been using his s1 and s2 (+ a few buffs) for one shoting bosses.
I re wrote this message many times in my head because everytime i get to writing my opinion. My thoughts would just instantly snap me back the fact that mountain and chong yue function very differently. XD they shouldnt be compared.
Apples to oranges. You can compare them… to explain to someone hey you know apples offer a crisp something something and oranges are citrusy and soft. You eat the peel of apple but not the orange. It’s mostly just to relate old info to new. And well they are both fruit after all.
But, the real problem is after chongyue banner, there is a super limited banner, Kirin R Yato and Rathalos Noir Corne. The first name is so powerful and made me forget about chongyue and skip his banner
I never planned to pull for Gavial-A./ChongYue, but their performance way too good to pass (even went bankrupt for this unplanned pull lol, 200+ pull for a ChongYue.. was lucky with Gavial-A.though).. now I wonder if Ines is good? because I got 0 Orundum (getting as many Yato-A. pots)
Both are strong operators but chongyue is replaceable as a lane holder and mountain have this thing that not a lot of operators can do better you drop him early in the game to block 1 lane forget about him and focus on other lanes
Am I the only that hates the event gatcha for resources in the yato event and yes I would get money but only the 2000 lmd and not the 20,000 lmd ... I've tried to get the money and only ended up getting things from the infinite resources pull
Use them together. Chong has good synergy with Ambusher. Because you can make the enemy took twice longer to reach Chongyue. It goes well with Manticore and Ethan too. Also, both of them are true AoE unit.
I use mountain way more than chongus because having an independant lane holder is just neat. Chongus is fragile like a crisp so i can't really use him like this lol. I feel like what chongyue does is still more replaceable than mountain. I mean mountain is a braindead 11 dp lane holder. Big boy damage isn't super rare to find nowadays.
I don't have Mountain. And I get Chong Yue from free pulls still lvl 1. And I still got lvl 25 Skalter that I got from Siracusano banner. Might max lvl both of them later.
No, Chong Yue is not better than Mountain. - Mountain Simp I will say Chong Yue is much more versatile in terms of usage though because he occupies more varied niches. He can attack with more range, have explosive damage multipliers, and help with multiple lanes, but his block count and lack of sustain is still a decisive factor in separating the two based on niche. Mountain can block one lane with his S2 but can hold it well as long as his block count holds up due to self sustain. Both have their own unique advantages by opening up different operator compositions. If you want someone only for their DPS, Chong Yue is better because that's his design. If you want someone who can handle a single lane without much assistance at low DP Cost to focus your problems elsewhere, then Mountain is the way to go. One is not better than the other because they occupy different niches.
IMO I use mountain as a lane holder in the early and sometimes late game too and he 100% does it way better than chongyue especially since he doesn’t need to be baby sat chongyue is more like a dps brawler which is what they were meant to be but just isn’t very good dps wise compared to like yato or texalter he falls in this awkward spot where he’s not as good as landholding and his dps is outclasses by so many which is y most ppl including me don’t rly think much of him
@@legs1465 too bad the game isn’t exactly focused on consistent dps and instead it’s mostly how fast you can burst down bosses and even if he has one of the best consistent dpses he doesn’t exactly have the range like thorns to hold a lane
@@bananyawn he does have the range to cover multiple lanes tho? And his semi AOE bursts + high damage multiply can easily melt enemies before they can even reach him, high defense enemies aren't a problem for him either. Ofc Thorns has his self healing and sustained damage, his dps is nowhere near Chongyue's. If anything, the only thing Thorns is infinitely better than Chongyue is that he can hit flying enemies. Both of their s3 charging processes are annoying tho.
Your mountain doesn't have even a fraction of damage and range that chong yue deals. And what's wrong with babysitting your operators? Isn't that how you play the game? Managing your ops, clicking on their skill button, make sure they have healing? Is that considered a negative nowadays? Lmao so stupid
Here's the truth: Chong just doesn't fill any particular niche that isn't already filled by a better operator. His S3 takes far too long to charge, meaning you'll need at least one other lane holder to stall while it charges because he only has _one_ block stack and his lack of sustain means he'll need at least one healer. You can't helidrop him, he can't hold lane by himself, ranged enemies doo doo all over him, and if he dies you end up back at square one. Once his S3 is fully charged, he's... okay. Still can't hit ranged enemies, still can't heal himself, and still can't hold lane against big hordes or elites. Honestly? He's just a worse Saga. In fact, pretty much all the six star Vanguards outclass him in terms of dps and lane holding. Look, I get it. I'm not shaming anyone for using him - I think this community is one of the best in terms of embracing fun over "perfect optimized gameplay." But if there's any new players watching this video thinking Chong is a good lane holder, I'm sorry to say that he's really not. Like, at all. He's fun to use, for sure, especially if you have buffers like Skalter or Warfarin, or an SP battery to plant behind him like Liskarm - but that's the thing. He _cannot_ be deployed by himself. And the comparison between him and Mountain is just frankly ridiculous. In conclusion, he's a super fun B tier operator, in the same league as Ops like Bibeak, Cutter, or Astesia. If you're already confident you can beat a stage _without_ him, then he's an entertaining addition to the squad. But if you're struggling with stages and are in need of a good, beefy solo lane holder, then save your rolls for Mountain. Easily one of the best ops in the game and by far an all-around better operator than Chong.
Do you even watch the video bro? Clearly not because the way you're talking is like Mountain can do everything and because of that, offensive lane holder like Chong Yue is really really bad literally worse than vanguard lmao. Don't bring your skill issue here bro, that's your problem. We have to be very objective when comparing operators with the *same* class
@@kukkikaze Maybe I came across too critical. Sorry if I sounded like an asshole. All I meant was that, in my experience thus far, Chong isn't an S-tier operator like Mountain or Thorns. His kit makes him viable in unique situations, but his slightly higher damage output doesn't make up for his incredible lack of utility. He fits very rare niche, but otherwise is a handicap in the more difficult stages. He's not _bad._ But if you can only have one 6 star, you're gonna get a whole lot more use out of Mountain or Thorns than you will Chong.
@@botcchidotcchi No reason to get upset. I watched the video - I just don't agree with all his points. Obviously Mountain can't do everything, no operator can (not even Ling), but if you have to pick one or the other, then I think Mountain is easily more worth the money. If you can have both - Great! They're both super fun to use. But if you're free to play and have a limited amount of rolls and are in desperate need of a high tier operator, then I can't in good faith recommend Chong Yue over Mountain (or several other guards/defenders for that matter).
0:10 10 seconds in and you are already high on copium. if you want to do video like this, at least be neutral and honest. You dont even believe what you were saying
After-video insert 1: To the people who keep saying Chong Yue has poor damage, or that Chong Yue takes too long to set up, you all really don't want to make the game easier for yourself to experience the literal monster damage that Chong Yue offers that is higher than the likes of Thorns, Blaze, Mountain, Mudrock. It's almost as if you never gave the video a minute to watch. It's literally faster to activate Chong Yue's infinite skill than it is to activate Thorns, why are you all whining. And also, about adding a medic, or a healing defender to assist Chong Yue, I really don't understand why are people emphasizing that it's a bad thing when you more often add a multi-target medic or other damage dealers even if you were just using a Mountain. There are way too many skill issue comments for this video alone.
After-video insert 2: I’m very surprised by the number of people who seems upset about the comparison being central to the video. This question is probably the most asked amongst all operators, and the reason why I also approached it was because of how Chong Yue is a rather dismissed operator as compared to Mountain.
While yes Arknights is a game where you do not need to compare and say which operator is better due to different stages letting different operators shine, there isn’t much harm to tell people who desperately wants quick answers on who is better. In this case, to quantify ‘better’, what metrics are we to use? Is it ease of use, power, types of enemies they can kill? It’s not exactly easy because player to player seek different wants, but actually more often people don’t have such wants because the larger player base is just casual players. Hence, the best way to then describe better is how many more stages does an operator find use than another operator.
Chong Yue overall is visibly a better stage simplifier than Mountain. This doesn’t mean that Mountain is bad, Mountain is a stellar unit on the ranks of Mudrock, Thorns, Blaze, etc. But Chong Yue simply has skill sets that makes him more powerful (if not too powerful). I’m not a fan of comparing units myself as I use every unit in the game, but making such videos is for me to offer those who wants to hear from the experiences I had.
Comparison shows clarity on use case. Especially for new players.
Those weirdos who think "comparison" videos are bad thinks it's somehow "toxic" to evaluate and compare objective facts about the game. Because they poured resources and time to a character. And they are salty. It's fine to compare which is faster/stronger/which is better for a certain stage. That's why tier lists exist. Bosskilling, lane holding, healing whatever, every branch/class has the best and way better than others at what they do.
Are these negative comments ur mentioning being removed? cux I don't see alot of ppl being annoying.
On the otherhand I agree that ppl should stop being so offended for fictional characters on matter like this smh
All gacha players are babies and triggered by the word comparison
Especially in game like AK where a stupid phrase like "there are no bad ops only bad doctors" unironically exists and is used
Insecurity is one hell of a drug
Well for me if I'm super lazy I will throw Mountain in a lane and setup other lane
If I'm just lazy I will throw Mr.Chong in and give him Skadi Alter + Chen with module on other lane so he can be charge anyway.
In conclusion Chong Yue setup is not long at all lol
the way to use Chongyue and Mountain in stages is the same way as in fanfiction, place Mountain directly behind Chongyue and the universe will be at peace.
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Wha? How do you know that in the first place?
You’re just gonna say that and not drop a link? 🤨
Pls give the sauce bro....
Bro wheres the sauce
I'm gonna be real, I never understood why people compared them outside of them having the same class. Mountain is a lane holder with a skill that lets you drop and forget him. Chongyue does incredible damage at a good range but will turn to dust if left alone for more than 3 seconds. It's like comparing silverash to thorns: just use them both lmao
People compare incomparable things because they have small brains that can only understand the most superficial level.
That is like people comparing Mudrock and Penance...
@@ikyiAlter well. They share same branch
The point of comparing operators is precisely to know what what they can do, which is easier when using another unit as reference. That they are both of the same class and subclass is a valid starting point form where to compare 2 units, and then see where do they diverge and in which circumstances they perform at their best. I know discussions such as this tend to invite toxic behavior, but they are not fundamentally wrong. I hate how such a large portion of the community is so deathly allergic to comparisons.
@@AlexanderXion So does Mountain and Chonguye, the op was JUST talking about how that doesn't say anything about who's stronger.
Two reasons I prefer Chongyue over Mountain:
- he has longer range with skill S3, which makes him really good with Stainless' S3; to begin with turrets help to charge it but once you are done with it: retreat, redeploy and now he has double the range, AoE damage and it charges really fast
- you can place him behind a defender or some other unit that will keep enemies in place, which solves his block 1 issue (and if said unit is healing defender also matter of healing) and you can still do turret shenanigans
He's my staple lane holder nowadays together with Skadi Alter his burst becomes far more noticeable. In my main account I had a Chen with lvl 3 module which makes him trigger his S3 more while Chen can just use S1 to auto stun enemy for that AFK experience.
worth pointing out that that chong yue benefits greatly from skalter
He benefits greatly from any and all atk buffers, only reason Skalter is brought up more is because her buff is permanent, and additionally she provides some survivavility.
Long story short:
Mountain is a very strong and simple solo lane holder.
Meanwhile, Chongyue (when fully charged) f*ck everything up, especially with buffs and protection/healing.
Put a defender in front of him so he won’t get hit, or put a defender behind him so he won’t leak and everything is set.
Chongyue is the best example why damage multiply better than damage increase to operator.
Ever since i got chongyue, i never did a trust farm without him again. He's just so good, he can even solo dps some farm stages with warfarin(passive sp and warfarin second skill to help him deal damage before 5th skill activation) he just so good he melts even high def enemies
For me i have to plan out a stage with Chnguy in mind. With Mountain i just drop him and know that i don't have to worry about him, that lane or baby sit him for him to become useful. But thats me personally
My rule of thumb is that Mountain works better as a laneholder while Chongyue works better as the damage dealer.
Mountain can be placed anywhere to lane hold alone and will work fine.
Chongyue will need some help of a blocker in front or behind and a healer (best option is Skalter). To compensate for needing more ops he basically deals so much damage to so many lanes that he can clear mobs very easily and fast.
Do I need to kill stuff? Big bro is on the job
Do I need someone to guard the blue box? Big furry is on the job
Specifically Mountain works better as a solo laneholder due to not needing support.
Chongyue needs support to get heal and to prevent leaks, assuming if he doesn’t have his skill fully charged or that there’s multiple high HP enemies.
@@Zack_Zander Chong Yue's main niche is that after his skill 3 activates he can handle more than 1 lanes and can hit every enemy in one tile. That basically makes him several lane damage dealers if you have blockers for those lanes.
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Tbh people talking too much bout how chong need healing when a medic range is really wide (evenmore so for eyajlter later) and most range unit dont have regen so u need healer anyway and if play smart posinitiong one medic can be in range for the chong and several other ops
If I recall use skalter with chongyue would solve all the issue for heals, defence and atk thus the block count wouldn't even matter anymore
thank you so much Kukki for this video, ily 🥺
as a Chongyue simp my heart always kinda sank a bit when ppl compare Chongyue with Mountain bc most of the time they will say Mountain is better, and I also thought the same! until I saw this vid (eventho I rly want bigbro to be the strongest 🥲)
and I have Chongyue at max pot, max level and also skill masteries so watching this video makes me feel validated abt building him 🤣
I really enjoy playing with Chongyue so far, my only complain is his long change for s3, even with his talent, a lot of the times stage just ended before he gets full auto. Hope HG gonna give him some sp+ module, like talent buff or something.
Just run him with Stainless. He gets to full auto quite fast when I run them together.
@@BrandonHeat243 That requires Stainless, and investing in him...
I dont see any sp issue even without "stainless", chong s3m3 is alrdy faster for me.
Imagine complaining sp issue, who the hell placing any dps near him to not let him charge zz, his aspd is very fast so no reason to complain.
Ch'en and Saria at module level 2 (that charge sp) are great for cutting down time, and Warfarin works with him too like she does with Saga's S2. Dont forget Quercus S2. There are more than a few characters that help with his sp.
I've not had issue with his sp even without these operators, but it is nicer to have his s3 charged.
i never see a sp issue maybe you are using a lot aerial units that dont allow him to get skill up or his placement is wrong
Thank u for teaching me how to use him, I love to watch ur operator showcases as sometimes I feel that I cant really use operators properly
I have both of them.. but overal I still used mountain more than chongyue. He excell more for straight up early usage since he doesn't need a lot of set up, and he just need to activate his skill to hold down a lane. I can just put him in a lane and use other operator for extra damage and wave clearing support 🤔
Have big bro activate his skill and then put mountain in front and you'll have the best of both worlds
Mountain prevents anything getting close to Chongyue and Big bro kills anything that is too tough for Mtn to handle
I like chong yue a lot, his range go to 4 way which mean he can help dps towards lane next to him and also his own lane, bringing another chara to block the enemy, and then just watch
Nice video, personally i do like the approach of using mountain as a comparison, Comparison is a good way to emphasize something in a wider context, and not in a vacuum of the only things he's good at, since you managed to hit the good and bad of each operators, it is a pretty fair comparison people are upset because there's a trigger word "better" and once they hear it, the rest of the video is just ignored
the thing i find that's out of place is chongyue skill 1 segment, with the amount of buffs he got, his normal attack is already killing the boss so it kinda diminishes the potential of the skill, and also this is a pretty extreme example, including team buffers and precharged skill, it doesnt really show its practicality
The moment before his banner appeared, I wasnt interested to get him or Lin at all. But after a couple of days, something hit me and I found out his 3rd skill an interesting gimmick. Well, I spent a lot on that banner and got everyone and yeah, I do not regret upgrading Chongus, he is really dope
I don't get ppl who said Mountain was so much better. Sure Chongyue needs medic assistance, but his damage is stupidly high and 9 out of 10 times he kills enemies before they even come to him. and it doesn't take a lot to charge his skill. Also great funny starts if you add Stainless s3 to pair with him.
My brain is full of dollkeepers and professional breeders ("tacticians") so I don't have enough surplus bandwidth to press his button more than once before I forget that I deployed him.
"what in the world is Chong Yue COOKING?" 😂
You can't define a better one imo, Mountain is that "drop him in a lane press S2 and never look back" 1 man army who can handle any lane unless they have very high def and 2 shot him.
Chong Yue is more like a thorns but needs help and offer a much higher dmg ceiling
I think this is another case of blaze vs gater. While blaze is more used, gater can deal with heavier and larger crowds.
> while blaze is more used
Are you sure about that
Gavial is tankier and does more damage than blaze really no competition until blaze module comes to global
Funny RGB chainsaw cat tho
@@halley_lu I think yeah........ok maybe I morely based it on my play.
Blaze mod did not disappoint
2k damage when blocking
And aspd increase
Shes now better at laneholding and steered far away of Gav2
I don't think lane holding will ever be topped. It's just too good
you clearly have not played IS3 Difficulty 15 or the boss raids in Reclamation Algorithm
You’re gonna jinx it
misleading thumbnail, if you use chongus the same way as you would mountain, you will leak enemies guaranteed
One question: why would you do that in the first place?
Chong Yue is better because Mountain is an AOE guard not a Brawler therefore worse at being a brawler
He’s a little worse than an AoE Guard with 2 blocks and likely lesser health, but the positive is that he self-heal and still kills pretty fast.
Uncle you just opened my eyes. I was blind and used Chong Yue wrong, but now i know his full power.
At the end of the Day, they have their Ups and Downs. One is better in DPS and One is better in Lane Holding.
I always use chongyue since I got him on EVERY gamemode or stages instead of mountain, blaze, thorns or any op when it comes to elite and mob clearing and prolly even bosses. He's so useful, I always pair him with saria to sustain his one block and healing for the early part of the stage and when his s3 got fully activated, i'll just sleep tbh. Thank you for the commentaries about chongyue, it's just sad some players are underestimating him.
After one thousand years finally its up
Also for people who also have Skalter, her and Chongyue make a disgusting combo with how the skill atk scaling work.
I thought this was a great video! I learned something new
there is a meta for ending 3 in ra where people just give chongyue and skalter food and give chongyue sp battery and make all enemy get clogged on a spot and destroy them all.
You guys are not making it better with all these clickbait thumbnails.
Chongyue: DPS glasscanon
Mountain: Cheap laneholder
Neither is better than the other. Mountain is more frequently used due to his low requirement.
Chongyue offers damage, true AoE and range while Mountain offers quick early-late stage counter of enemies with barely any brains needed.
The entire topic has been dismissed in CN communities because it ended up just like SilverAsh vs Thorns.
They're both strong. Pick and choose.. or use both since they cost 11 dp for some reason.
Side note, I think it's better to stop focusing on "the best" out of branch and just point out each operator's pros and cons.
And if you make "best operator" then it would make sense to make a section pointing out a character's flaws. ChongYue has many issues that make people gloss over him which is understandable. It would benefit all players new and veteran.
would m2 on his s3 better than m3, cuz talent 1 only activates with normal attack, getting 20% more normal attack before skill mean more likely talent 1 will activate, and 65% multiplier is multiplied after the skill multiplier, so it's 350% x 1.65 = 577%,(a lot of people mistakes this for +65% when like I said it multiplies with his skill) of his attack compared to s3 which is only 380%, so in short, less 380% for a chance to get more 577% mixed in with 350%
Number 1, if an operator's M3 is apparently more powerful than an M2, from a game design perspective, isn't that a complete failure
Number 2, you seem to only be concerned about the singular hit and not how if Chong Yue was applying his attacks over a period of time like 40 hits, the overall damage from an 8SP skill cost is much higher than a 10SP skill cost.
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Warfarin: Are you sure about that?
For me, personally, Chongyue has finally made me believe in Brawler Guards. Seriously, my Mountain has been at E1 Max for the longest time, just because I haven't been too keen on the subclass.
Mountain is better insofar if i had to choose only one it would be him.
Your S1 showcase against EB makes me want to build his S1 on both EN and EN. 🤣
(Edit: Meant S1, not S2. My apologies.)
I was confused by the Mountain and Chong at first until you explained further. Pretty good explanation indeed.
against EB is S1 isn't it?
S2 levitate enemy
@@ShoriHere You're right. My bad....I was a bit tired when I made that comment. 😅
@@OhHeyItIsNanono worries😂..even myself notice it after im already m3'ed S2 instead S1 xD..but dc..love him anyways❤
Chongyue is a Brawler , mountain is a Centurion
If you use chong yue in a map that's good for him then he's definitely better. If you use mountain in a map where he'd be better then he's clearly better. They're the same class but their purpose can be very different. Comparing them by the simple terms of "who is stronger?" is as dumb as complaining that a romcom isn't as action packed as a battle shonen
You can put mountain on literally any stage at any point of said and by himself and he will be strong and useful while you would need multiple ops supporting chong and he would need to be placed almost immediately so he can charge up his skill (during which hes basically half a unit)
I have both at lv90 and M3
Best thing about chong is that he scales insanely hard with IS buffs
@@nitronome you only need a healer for chongyue
I feel like it's a bit disingenuous to showcase Chongyue is buffers without making a note of it and even attributing it to your Skill not being M3. The buffs he got overcompensates for his lack of M3
He got his attack increased to 1721 from 612 and that's before Suzu's buff
Mountain is so overrated ngl. I totally understand why people like him but its sad what they don't even want to give chongyue a chance because he's not "super strong place and forget operator" The whole reason of his hate is people laziness to press S3 button on right time. He's good without buffs but overpowered if you help him a bit (5k damage TWICE with skalter each 3 seconds)
There WILL be a day when everyone wish they had chongyue because his module will make him even stronger than he is right now
Chong Yue may be the best Brawler, but my favorite one to use is definitely Dagda. (Indra's my second favorite, though)
WAKANDA FOREVAA
I want chongyue so bad!
Wait I thought Mountain is vetter as everyone said
I hate this version chong Yue. I want my spamming kei nariyu zaszas II!😢
Does Chong yue s2 work on those jetpack riders on chapter 8 that needs stun to ground them🤔
Both of them have different uses and that's it.
But ngl i find Chongyue to be way more fun than Mountain, been using his s1 and s2 (+ a few buffs) for one shoting bosses.
I re wrote this message many times in my head because everytime i get to writing my opinion. My thoughts would just instantly snap me back the fact that mountain and chong yue function very differently. XD they shouldnt be compared.
Apples to oranges. You can compare them… to explain to someone hey you know apples offer a crisp something something and oranges are citrusy and soft. You eat the peel of apple but not the orange.
It’s mostly just to relate old info to new. And well they are both fruit after all.
Release your Power and hit the Fridge!
he was so good they had to nerf him
But, the real problem is after chongyue banner, there is a super limited banner, Kirin R Yato and Rathalos Noir Corne. The first name is so powerful and made me forget about chongyue and skip his banner
Too bad I didn't get him on his banner. I would have loved to have him.
Chongyue is a virgin that needs protection, Mountain is a Chad that protects others
I never planned to pull for Gavial-A./ChongYue, but their performance way too good to pass (even went bankrupt for this unplanned pull lol, 200+ pull for a ChongYue.. was lucky with Gavial-A.though).. now I wonder if Ines is good? because I got 0 Orundum (getting as many Yato-A. pots)
Ines is very good, but I don’t think she’s a must have.
If anything, the must pull is Typhon.
Both are strong operators but chongyue is replaceable as a lane holder and mountain have this thing that not a lot of operators can do better you drop him early in the game to block 1 lane forget about him and focus on other lanes
lol that ending line
I like chongyue but nothing is better than my buff depressed furry
I mean Chong Yue literally means "multiple mountains / many peaks" in Chinese. (It must have been a coincidence I believe but it's certainly funny)
Ah yes... a mountain and mountains. They both are perfect combo
Am I the only that hates the event gatcha for resources in the yato event and yes I would get money but only the 2000 lmd and not the 20,000 lmd ...
I've tried to get the money and only ended up getting things from the infinite resources pull
is it a crime not leveling my chong yue?
No
He is a god as long as he don't have to block and have some heal. To put it simply, he is non stealth Mizuki that hit like a truck. 🤣
Use them together.
Chong has good synergy with Ambusher. Because you can make the enemy took twice longer to reach Chongyue. It goes well with Manticore and Ethan too. Also, both of them are true AoE unit.
All this debates and I don't even have him wahlao 🤣😂
I use mountain way more than chongus because having an independant lane holder is just neat. Chongus is fragile like a crisp so i can't really use him like this lol. I feel like what chongyue does is still more replaceable than mountain. I mean mountain is a braindead 11 dp lane holder. Big boy damage isn't super rare to find nowadays.
I don't have Mountain. And I get Chong Yue from free pulls still lvl 1.
And I still got lvl 25 Skalter that I got from Siracusano banner. Might max lvl both of them later.
No, Chong Yue is not better than Mountain.
- Mountain Simp
I will say Chong Yue is much more versatile in terms of usage though because he occupies more varied niches. He can attack with more range, have explosive damage multipliers, and help with multiple lanes, but his block count and lack of sustain is still a decisive factor in separating the two based on niche. Mountain can block one lane with his S2 but can hold it well as long as his block count holds up due to self sustain. Both have their own unique advantages by opening up different operator compositions.
If you want someone only for their DPS, Chong Yue is better because that's his design.
If you want someone who can handle a single lane without much assistance at low DP Cost to focus your problems elsewhere, then Mountain is the way to go.
One is not better than the other because they occupy different niches.
Didn't pull him i want rat
The only problem with him is map too short
Most maps are long enough, but there are still some where he would truly shine.
IMO I use mountain as a lane holder in the early and sometimes late game too and he 100% does it way better than chongyue especially since he doesn’t need to be baby sat chongyue is more like a dps brawler which is what they were meant to be but just isn’t very good dps wise compared to like yato or texalter he falls in this awkward spot where he’s not as good as landholding and his dps is outclasses by so many which is y most ppl including me don’t rly think much of him
Bro Chongyue has one of the highest consistent dps in the game, his damage is not something to be undermined
@@legs1465 too bad the game isn’t exactly focused on consistent dps and instead it’s mostly how fast you can burst down bosses and even if he has one of the best consistent dpses he doesn’t exactly have the range like thorns to hold a lane
@@bananyawn he does have the range to cover multiple lanes tho? And his semi AOE bursts + high damage multiply can easily melt enemies before they can even reach him, high defense enemies aren't a problem for him either.
Ofc Thorns has his self healing and sustained damage, his dps is nowhere near Chongyue's. If anything, the only thing Thorns is infinitely better than Chongyue is that he can hit flying enemies.
Both of their s3 charging processes are annoying tho.
@@legs1465 his range is awkward to get full use of and it almost never covers as much ground as thorns
Who tf told you that this game is focused on bursting down bosses?
I use them both, lol
limited L + ratio
Flint is obviously the best Brawler in the Game 😊
Based🗣️
I prefer chong yue because he has l2d. Simple 😅
Eh, he has no self sustain and he takes alot more time to ramp up. I'll stick with my place and forget furry tqvm XD
Mountain is great and has a cool design but i have a huge soft spot for the Sui siblings so Chongyue is always my main brawler
Mountain is better if you want peace and quiet 😂
Chong Yue is easily to die..
I just don't want to listen to the constant shouting.
God i wish i came back to arknights much much earlier
Nah aintnoway he is the best brawler, mountain has much more meta usage and high end potential than him
@@dannypark4788 mine can tho? Maybe your mountain have skill issue. Can chong yue do anything without someone to babysit him?
nah, I disagree. Chong Yue and Mountain are the best brawler. Both are complete set, spear and shield
same class, diferent situation usage, is it that hard to watch the video?
Your mountain doesn't have even a fraction of damage and range that chong yue deals.
And what's wrong with babysitting your operators? Isn't that how you play the game? Managing your ops, clicking on their skill button, make sure they have healing? Is that considered a negative nowadays? Lmao so stupid
I'm first because I say so.
I'm second because I say so
Here's the truth: Chong just doesn't fill any particular niche that isn't already filled by a better operator.
His S3 takes far too long to charge, meaning you'll need at least one other lane holder to stall while it charges because he only has _one_ block stack and his lack of sustain means he'll need at least one healer. You can't helidrop him, he can't hold lane by himself, ranged enemies doo doo all over him, and if he dies you end up back at square one. Once his S3 is fully charged, he's... okay. Still can't hit ranged enemies, still can't heal himself, and still can't hold lane against big hordes or elites.
Honestly? He's just a worse Saga. In fact, pretty much all the six star Vanguards outclass him in terms of dps and lane holding.
Look, I get it. I'm not shaming anyone for using him - I think this community is one of the best in terms of embracing fun over "perfect optimized gameplay." But if there's any new players watching this video thinking Chong is a good lane holder, I'm sorry to say that he's really not. Like, at all. He's fun to use, for sure, especially if you have buffers like Skalter or Warfarin, or an SP battery to plant behind him like Liskarm - but that's the thing. He _cannot_ be deployed by himself. And the comparison between him and Mountain is just frankly ridiculous.
In conclusion, he's a super fun B tier operator, in the same league as Ops like Bibeak, Cutter, or Astesia. If you're already confident you can beat a stage _without_ him, then he's an entertaining addition to the squad. But if you're struggling with stages and are in need of a good, beefy solo lane holder, then save your rolls for Mountain. Easily one of the best ops in the game and by far an all-around better operator than Chong.
You really need to reprocess whatever you've said, you gave me literal brain damage
Do you even watch the video bro? Clearly not because the way you're talking is like Mountain can do everything and because of that, offensive lane holder like Chong Yue is really really bad literally worse than vanguard lmao. Don't bring your skill issue here bro, that's your problem. We have to be very objective when comparing operators with the *same* class
@@kukkikaze Maybe I came across too critical. Sorry if I sounded like an asshole.
All I meant was that, in my experience thus far, Chong isn't an S-tier operator like Mountain or Thorns. His kit makes him viable in unique situations, but his slightly higher damage output doesn't make up for his incredible lack of utility. He fits very rare niche, but otherwise is a handicap in the more difficult stages.
He's not _bad._ But if you can only have one 6 star, you're gonna get a whole lot more use out of Mountain or Thorns than you will Chong.
@@botcchidotcchi No reason to get upset. I watched the video - I just don't agree with all his points. Obviously Mountain can't do everything, no operator can (not even Ling), but if you have to pick one or the other, then I think Mountain is easily more worth the money.
If you can have both - Great! They're both super fun to use. But if you're free to play and have a limited amount of rolls and are in desperate need of a high tier operator, then I can't in good faith recommend Chong Yue over Mountain (or several other guards/defenders for that matter).
No way u just said his dps is worse than every 6* vanguards lol
0:10 10 seconds in and you are already high on copium. if you want to do video like this, at least be neutral and honest. You dont even believe what you were saying
wtf are you talking about?