I have the ecoboost 3.5 in my 2013 Platinum. Just got back from a trip along the west coast of Michigan with just passengers and luggage and I averaged 19.4mpg staying on 2 lane roads going through towns. I wonder how much better the diesel would be and how long till you make up that 4k price difference. Its probably great, but is it really worth it, especially since the ecoboost will get up and go so well.
The Ecoboost can kick down to a lower gear as it has a higher redline. The diesel won't pull above 3500 so it has to stay in higher gears. Thankfully it isn't a manual transmission or somebody would probably shift down too far and scatter their new engine all over the pavement.
Once ford takes their head out their ass and realizes that they can do much more sales if they offer the damn diesel on basic tradesmen models then we can probably all afford one
Carlos Quirindongo haha they will just give’em time just their 10 speed , first on the raptor then after a year it launched on the rest of their vehicles
$4000 for the engine upgrade is a bargain compared to your northern neighbours. Just got off Ford Canada website and the build sheet showed a horrendous $9000 upgrade!
Timing belt looks like a snowmobile belt. Nothing like pulling Kevlar strands out of the clutches when they blow up. Wonder how messy that timing belt will be when it blows?
I believe in ford, as they are the only U.S. auto company to not go bankrupt. They are doing something right. With that being said, I do believe the cams should have been gear driven like durable long lasting diesels have been since their creation. Even if they needed cam phasers to adjust cam timing, gears would have been better.
I’ve said it before, but these half ton diesels are just not impressive. The price premium, added maintenance costs, and DEF fluid make the fuel economy start to seem not worth the premiums. Power wise the gas trucks are in another league. I’m not just talking about the ford all this applies to the eco diesel as well. Many reviewers have pointed out, while towing a mild load, that their foots are planted to the floor and are slowing down up the hill. That’s not confidence inspiring and quite unsettling. The 3.5L is the better towing motor, with more peak and average torque, and 125 more hp to give you passing power and the ability to maintain the speed limit. People are so obsessed with fuel economy nowadays that they’re jaded, to the extent that they’ll buy a more expensive vehicle with higher running costs, less capability, power, and torque. Crazy
All the numbers (engine and capacities) are basically the same as the gas option. If your buying to tow (even lighter loads) sounds like the super duty is still the better option. If not towing and you want comfort of f150 vs super duty, sounds like gas is still the winner.
Big mistake for ford to not offer the motor in the XLT/XTR models. But at least fleet buyers can get it there. Guess people will have to harass their fleet managers at work if they want the cheaper model lol :P
GrandeMage it's strategy I'm sure... Ford more than likely purchases these motors directly from JLR.. hence the huge price premium. Then opening up the diesel option to all consumers for the lower from will eat up the demand for the gas engines which are made by the UAW Ford... Ford don't want to get the union grease monkeys mad
Hanky Palanky I agree with your theory but I also believe that Ford has decided to release this powerstroke in limited quantities to work out potential issues with this engine before it reaches the whole line from xl to platinum trims. It makes sense that the people who buy lariat and above will go back to the dealerships for all of the regular maintenance services where the techs can go over and find parts that need revisions.
So, wouldn't it make sense to offer the diesel in work trucks? Boy manufacturers sure are making it difficult to get diesels in the light duty diesel market. I wonder if it's a VM motori engine.
its doesn't downshift aggressively because there are fewer revs to play with and the power band is low anyway...it wouldn't make sense to aggressively downshift when power comes on at 1700 and tapers off by 3500...no reason to spool up revs like the gas engine.
Sumit John Well,that takes care of this engine.Diesels normally use gear driven cams in them.There is no way I would buy this engine running a timing belt...JUNK!!.
Calm down ladies. This isn’t a regular rubber belt like a serpentine belt. It has metal reinforcement and teeth. Did you know chains stretch and need replacing when the tensioner starts to go? Did you know chains can cost 3-4 X more than a belt to replace?
Alex Stelling Listen LGBT reject,did you know that ALL diesel engines use GEAR DRIVEN valve trains in them?,know why?,its because of the incredable stress of a engine that has 18-to-1,20-to-1 levels of compression,no belt or CHAIN will survive that for 500,000 miles and that's just for starters.
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Totally respect that opinion. This engine wasn’t meant to be impressive, though. It was meant to meet EPA regulations in a different package, that the US has yet to accept the way Europe has. This engine has been available in Europe for years, as well as diesel engines in general, which are on average 20-30% more powerful (per unit displacement) as well as 20-30% more efficient than gasoline engines (per unit displacement). It’s meant to achieve what’s already available, just able to do it on less gallons of fuel. That being said, I don’t know that that’s achieved in full potential, but... it is 2.4 litres less displacement than my 23 mpg 06 Lariat (3.55 axle, 2wd, supercab) and a half-litre less than my 29 mpg 2015 Lariat (3.15 axle, 2wd, supercrew). But I’m still excited to try one next model year. (Edit: couldn’t spell “it’s” correctly the first time)
Overinflated. 4 grand more for a motor that doesn't have a record on reliability. We all remember the time these EcoBoost engins were misfiring when they first came out. A partnership with range rover isn't reassuring. They depreciate for a reason because of cost reliability is thrown out the window.
Ford really messed up with this motor, number 1 a diesel is known for torque well this one falls short in there 5 motor lineup, number 2 a diesel is known for longevity well with the timing belt it falls short again, number 3 it is not available in the work truck XL or XLT Ford wants big money Lariat or higher, number 4 at $4,000 above the 2.7 cost is to high. I will take the 5.0. Ford can keep this motor on the pallet.
Abdiassis Ahmed not in the half ton. They did it to meet co2 and mpg regulations! Hence only 250hp. 2x4 with 3.31 slow ass rear ratio to get the mpg up. Tow rating is,lower than the 3.5l eco boost. Pathetic
Will M u can't make a random claim about reliability and then give no examples and expect anyone to take u seriously. 2nd how van u be 16 and own an eco diesel? Only 16 yrs old use those stupid saying about other brands.
Will M holy fuck it's u tube not grammar school. Why would i look up anything. U made the claim. Back it up or shut up. I know all about the eco diesel work for the company grammar boy.
Ya know what a failure is? A truck that has a 900 lb payload rating. Don’t put a 7,000 lb trailer on it with a full tank of fuel and 4 adults in the truck.
I live ford but this diesel is a joke!!!! Way to go ford you idiots!!! This engine has very poor numbers compared to the echo boost...joke joke joke...not impressed what so ever....
That's why Ford's r so expensive! Who the he'll needs 6 engine options in a truck!!! They spent billions to develop 3 engines they don't need. Boom 75k trucks! So stupid
Eric Fox no shit Sherlock. My pt is Ford just spends money like they aren't drowning in debt. They don't need more than 3 engines. 6 engines shows they don't know what they r doing. 3.5. Then the 2.7 because the 3.5 sucked on mpg. Then the 3.3 because they spent way to much on the 2.7 and 3.5 so they have to over charge and need a cheap engine. Then the crazy expensive diesel because they can't meet co2 regulations with gas engines... As for v6. R u an idiot? 30% of ram 1500 sales r the v6. Many truck buyers love it. Does what they need for 20k less than a ford...
vad 3189 lmao. Yet another fool! Ford got billions in federally secured loans 6 months before the crash in 2008! They defaulted on many so yes the tax payer DID bail out Ford. They just did it in a sneaker way. News flash fca paid back their loans years ago. Get over it u twit! I am an investor with a net worth of 500k so yes I can and will talk about Ford and any other companies finances as I please.
Man that kid from the movie bad Santa is all grown up! Nice to see him doin car reviews now.
Thank you for your review it was full of good information, l would love to have that option in a King Ranch wit 6 1/2 ft bed and off road package
I will say that was a wonderful review , I enjoyed it much , he covered all the bases.
I have the ecoboost 3.5 in my 2013 Platinum. Just got back from a trip along the west coast of Michigan with just passengers and luggage and I averaged 19.4mpg staying on 2 lane roads going through towns. I wonder how much better the diesel would be and how long till you make up that 4k price difference. Its probably great, but is it really worth it, especially since the ecoboost will get up and go so well.
The Ecoboost can kick down to a lower gear as it has a higher redline. The diesel won't pull above 3500 so it has to stay in higher gears. Thankfully it isn't a manual transmission or somebody would probably shift down too far and scatter their new engine all over the pavement.
Once ford takes their head out their ass and realizes that they can do much more sales if they offer the damn diesel on basic tradesmen models then we can probably all afford one
Carlos Quirindongo haha they will just give’em time just their 10 speed , first on the raptor then after a year it launched on the rest of their vehicles
Agree you can only access this on higher trims and they charge you more as an option.
ford sucks! cost almost as a house.
I really want to hear this thing straight piped!
$4000 for the engine upgrade is a bargain compared to your northern neighbours. Just got off Ford Canada website and the build sheet showed a horrendous $9000 upgrade!
Master Shoe that’s just our shitty dollar
Uh, no - $4000 x 1.27 (current exchange) = $5080 = we are getting hosed!
Timing belt looks like a snowmobile belt. Nothing like pulling Kevlar strands out of the clutches when they blow up. Wonder how messy that timing belt will be when it blows?
this truck costs 10k more than my 2018 dodge ram. Sure this gets better fuel economy, but it would take A LOT of driving to save money lol
I believe in ford, as they are the only U.S. auto company to not go bankrupt. They are doing something right. With that being said, I do believe the cams should have been gear driven like durable long lasting diesels have been since their creation. Even if they needed cam phasers to adjust cam timing, gears would have been better.
I’ve said it before, but these half ton diesels are just not impressive. The price premium, added maintenance costs, and DEF fluid make the fuel economy start to seem not worth the premiums. Power wise the gas trucks are in another league. I’m not just talking about the ford all this applies to the eco diesel as well. Many reviewers have pointed out, while towing a mild load, that their foots are planted to the floor and are slowing down up the hill. That’s not confidence inspiring and quite unsettling. The 3.5L is the better towing motor, with more peak and average torque, and 125 more hp to give you passing power and the ability to maintain the speed limit. People are so obsessed with fuel economy nowadays that they’re jaded, to the extent that they’ll buy a more expensive vehicle with higher running costs, less capability, power, and torque. Crazy
This guy does great reviews
All the numbers (engine and capacities) are basically the same as the gas option. If your buying to tow (even lighter loads) sounds like the super duty is still the better option. If not towing and you want comfort of f150 vs super duty, sounds like gas is still the winner.
It is available in xl or xlt but for Fleet Customers Only.
Can you get diesel in the sport package??????? But I think 2.7 ecco boost would be better and cheaper .
Big mistake for ford to not offer the motor in the XLT/XTR models. But at least fleet buyers can get it there. Guess people will have to harass their fleet managers at work if they want the cheaper model lol :P
GrandeMage it's strategy I'm sure... Ford more than likely purchases these motors directly from JLR.. hence the huge price premium. Then opening up the diesel option to all consumers for the lower from will eat up the demand for the gas engines which are made by the UAW Ford... Ford don't want to get the union grease monkeys mad
It's a Ford engine built by Ford in the UK.
Hanky Palanky I agree with your theory but I also believe that Ford has decided to release this powerstroke in limited quantities to work out potential issues with this engine before it reaches the whole line from xl to platinum trims. It makes sense that the people who buy lariat and above will go back to the dealerships for all of the regular maintenance services where the techs can go over and find parts that need revisions.
Clint Williams that and they don’t own them for more than a few years via lease or trade in
So, wouldn't it make sense to offer the diesel in work trucks? Boy manufacturers sure are making it difficult to get diesels in the light duty diesel market. I wonder if it's a VM motori engine.
Well as the old saying states, if you see a British car with no oil underneath them, you can bet there's no oil in them.
its doesn't downshift aggressively because there are fewer revs to play with and the power band is low anyway...it wouldn't make sense to aggressively downshift when power comes on at 1700 and tapers off by 3500...no reason to spool up revs like the gas engine.
How tall are you?
Timing belt???
Dan No,diesels use direct GEAR drive valve train.
4 gauge pause at 5:27. This engine is definitely using a timing belt, when everyone else moving into chains
Sumit John Well,that takes care of this engine.Diesels normally use gear driven cams in them.There is no way I would buy this engine running a timing belt...JUNK!!.
Calm down ladies. This isn’t a regular rubber belt like a serpentine belt. It has metal reinforcement and teeth. Did you know chains stretch and need replacing when the tensioner starts to go? Did you know chains can cost 3-4 X more than a belt to replace?
Alex Stelling Listen LGBT reject,did you know that ALL diesel engines use GEAR DRIVEN valve trains in them?,know why?,its because of the incredable stress of a engine that has 18-to-1,20-to-1 levels of compression,no belt or CHAIN will survive that for 500,000 miles and that's just for starters.
Actual payload will likely limit what you can tow
What was the observed mpg that off road.com observed??
Great review guys! Better than TFL..cant stand that channel. This diesel seems unimpressive imo....
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Totally respect that opinion. This engine wasn’t meant to be impressive, though. It was meant to meet EPA regulations in a different package, that the US has yet to accept the way Europe has. This engine has been available in Europe for years, as well as diesel engines in general, which are on average 20-30% more powerful (per unit displacement) as well as 20-30% more efficient than gasoline engines (per unit displacement). It’s meant to achieve what’s already available, just able to do it on less gallons of fuel. That being said, I don’t know that that’s achieved in full potential, but... it is 2.4 litres less displacement than my 23 mpg 06 Lariat (3.55 axle, 2wd, supercab) and a half-litre less than my 29 mpg 2015 Lariat (3.15 axle, 2wd, supercrew). But I’m still excited to try one next model year.
(Edit: couldn’t spell “it’s” correctly the first time)
You just got owned. Damn tfl
55grand for a 3.0 lmao then yould have to delete all the emmision out of out if you want to keep it longer then 200k
Overinflated. 4 grand more for a motor that doesn't have a record on reliability. We all remember the time these EcoBoost engins were misfiring when they first came out. A partnership with range rover isn't reassuring. They depreciate for a reason because of cost reliability is thrown out the window.
Ford really messed up with this motor, number 1 a diesel is known for torque well this one falls short in there 5 motor lineup, number 2 a diesel is known for longevity well with the timing belt it falls short again, number 3 it is not available in the work truck XL or XLT Ford wants big money Lariat or higher, number 4 at $4,000 above the 2.7 cost is to high. I will take the 5.0. Ford can keep this motor on the pallet.
noice
Weak . 3.5 eco boost has more power
What he said about land rover?
Will M That means it is derived from Land Rover
Will M it’s actually a Ford engine. Ford developed it when it owned Land Rover and Jaguar. Ford still produces it for JLR.
This is maybe the vehicle that makes the least sense in the USa
When the rest of the world “Diesel” mainly means “Fuel Economy” America it’s different story
Abdiassis Ahmed not in the half ton. They did it to meet co2 and mpg regulations! Hence only 250hp. 2x4 with 3.31 slow ass rear ratio to get the mpg up. Tow rating is,lower than the 3.5l eco boost. Pathetic
I'm not impressed.
4x4 at 25mpg us a joke! Ram diesel 4x4 has been at 28 mpg for 4 years! Epic fail ford! Spent billions on al truck for what reason? Lmao
Will M u can't make a random claim about reliability and then give no examples and expect anyone to take u seriously. 2nd how van u be 16 and own an eco diesel? Only 16 yrs old use those stupid saying about other brands.
Will M holy fuck it's u tube not grammar school. Why would i look up anything. U made the claim. Back it up or shut up. I know all about the eco diesel work for the company grammar boy.
lolol youre the kind of guy people love to trollololol
Ya know what a failure is? A truck that has a 900 lb payload rating. Don’t put a 7,000 lb trailer on it with a full tank of fuel and 4 adults in the truck.
Epic fail? People will buy this on brand loyalty alone. See the sales leader for the past what? 30 years or whatever it is.
I live ford but this diesel is a joke!!!! Way to go ford you idiots!!! This engine has very poor numbers compared to the echo boost...joke joke joke...not impressed what so ever....
That's why Ford's r so expensive! Who the he'll needs 6 engine options in a truck!!! They spent billions to develop 3 engines they don't need. Boom 75k trucks! So stupid
Andy Hass I think they make more engines to fit different buyers. Tho in all honesty all truck companies could cut loose their V6 engines.
Eric Fox no shit Sherlock. My pt is Ford just spends money like they aren't drowning in debt. They don't need more than 3 engines. 6 engines shows they don't know what they r doing. 3.5. Then the 2.7 because the 3.5 sucked on mpg. Then the 3.3 because they spent way to much on the 2.7 and 3.5 so they have to over charge and need a cheap engine. Then the crazy expensive diesel because they can't meet co2 regulations with gas engines...
As for v6. R u an idiot? 30% of ram 1500 sales r the v6. Many truck buyers love it. Does what they need for 20k less than a ford...
Andy Hass So on that note why does Ram need 2 transmissions for the 5.7L Hemi. Is that not a waste of money?
vad 3189 lmao. Yet another fool! Ford got billions in federally secured loans 6 months before the crash in 2008! They defaulted on many so yes the tax payer DID bail out Ford. They just did it in a sneaker way.
News flash fca paid back their loans years ago. Get over it u twit!
I am an investor with a net worth of 500k so yes I can and will talk about Ford and any other companies finances as I please.
vad 3189 I said net not gross. For a 32yr old that is fantastic! Especially considering 60% of Americans under 50 HAVE ZERO RETIREMENT SAVINGS
No 0-60 times? You're an amateur!
What a waste.