Talaria Sting Owners MUST WATCH! // The Real Reason The Sting R Is So Much Better!
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No one else reverse-engineers motors and moving parts just to understand noise sources. This is why I am a Talaria Boys subscriber. I live vicariously through you boys! I am about to pull the trigger on purchasing a Talaria R, knowing so many things well in advance, comprehending this is the e-moto to buy--not wasting thousands of dollars on a lesser machine. Thank you, Talaria Boys; you're saving me a lot of money, effort, and time.
Thank you! Glad we could help!
Totally agree! Just found this channel today! Been binge watching. 👍
I love the information, it’s nice to know what’s going on inside the motor and gearbox!
I'm glad you finally found a much more plausible and rational explanation of this noise as I've been looking for an answer for several weeks , but couldn't find any. I just think titling your video differently like "talaria rattle noise final explanation" would have helped to find it sooner and saved me time from trying different useless fixes.
In my attempt to explain where noise was coming from I came to the conclusion that it mostly happened while throttle is off (especially while riding downhill or at low speed while rear breaking), so when wheel was driving gearbox instead of motor driving wheel.
It could be sticking with your explanation.
This channel deserves a lot because it brings content that no one cares about but above all they are done really well and with passion! I hope you will continue on this path and I wish you all the best because you truly deserve it!
Thank you!
My talaria Sting R MX4 arrives tomorrow. Can't wait! Thanks for pumping out this shocking amount of content! Lol keep killing it guys!
Thanks!
Excellent, quality content. 👌 Good work gentlemen. Got my Sting R this week and it's a blast. Your videos pushed me over the edge.
me too, early June delivery is now on or before the 15 th of June
@Tom McGill man I'm excited for you! All of my expectations were met or surpassed by the R's performance. Iv been riding my whole life and this thing is a blast! Definitely blurring the lines of "motorcycle".
Love the content you guys are putting out. Had a headlight questions for you. What switch are you guys installing to be able to shut off the headlight?
Awesome vid!! Great breakdown!
Keep up the good work guys
Important bit of news attached at the end, keep up the good work.
this type of video is what i want to see. breaking down the bikes in depth
You guys are knocking it out the park 👍👍 can’t believe people won’t subscribe to such great content.
Makes sense… with a non-oring chain you can hear the links sort of clunking around. However, when you walk the MX3 around the garage you can really hear the motor "turning over" around the front sprocket area and the chain noise somewhere maybe 4" in front of the rear sprocket on the top side. Guessing upon accelerating the chain goes taut and there is some slack to taut noise there. Would be interested in seeing decibel readings on both motors when you have the bikes on a stand. ❓❔👍🏻
That camera smack at the end was pretty aggressive...lol, keep the videos coming man awesome work!!!!
Great information!!!
Y'all are just cranking out the videos lately 👍👍
More great content guys, keep up the great work. I'm gonna get flamed for this but I installed a 48 tooth rear sprocket on my R and I like it, I didn't have a larger chain nor extra links so this is the primary reason, it does wheelie at 10-12 mph with no tug on the bars whatsoever and even before the gear swap, I could wheelie over stuff pretty easily but not at any speed, I can't wait to get the updated KO controller and lower gearing, loving this bike!!
What is your height and weight?
@@JackBKillinit
Hello, I'm 5'10" 210-215 lbs
Been a subscriber since your first Talaria sting R video. Even went back and watched a lot of your old stuff. Love all the hard work you guys are putting in. Thank you so much!!!!
One question if I get the KO controller how do I set up all the stuff like way you guys have it set up. I want to put a 52 tooth sprocket on it. But do you have all the info on what I need to do once I set up the controller? Thanks
Appreciate you watching Mike! We will be doing videos at some point going over the KO tunes, at the moment we want to do a bit more testing and wait for KO to fix a few things on the tune with the sting R motor before we share everything.
Thanks you guys I subscribe to your channel!! You guys put out some real good content, this last video was really informative .
I have heard you all mention and see you strap down the battery so there is no room for vibration or space that causes vibration . Did you all try using adhesive backed neoprene strips they come in differant thin knees a widths better I feel than having to strap down they work well they also sell rubber shims in a wedge shape that hello also I like the strips I mentioned keep on doing those videos boys.❤
Hello from Texas, but born in Ogden. 👍Awesome video! I just sub'd! Keep up the awesome vids!
Well done, great information 🎯🎯🎯
I don't know if there's a controller available that lets you pick the Hertz for the motor to operate in but that's what is causing a lot of the noise when its running. but you want to be able to hear the motor when its running that way you can hear when its struggling and don't burn it up. The magnet orientation is different on the new motor, this will allow it to spin faster....more rpm, more top end
You guys a great. The subs will come. 🤙
Been watching your video for a while had to order me a sting r after watching you guys for a few weeks. so can't wait can you recommend a good helmet thanks.
You posted this on my birthday
Huge find!
Love the content just subscribed! I have a squeaking/squeal when using my front breaks on the new mx4, any suggestions on how to fix this it’s driving me insane!!
Your brake pads might be a little contaminated and need to be sanded down a little, If you remove your brake pads take a look at them and if the material looks shiny you can lightly sand them until they look more matte colored and then put them back in and re bed in your brakes. I'm sure you can google ( Bike brake squeaking contaminated fix or something)
The linkage topping out is definitely an issue though. Have they fixed that on the MX4?
it is the placement of the magnets on the magneto that makes the difference when spinning the sprocket.
great vid.....what shims and rubber inserts are you using? where did you buy....thanks!
E-bike Zilla will have the same sting R rubber pieces in stock soon and then it will take a s little modification to fit on the mx3 swing arm. We'll keep you posted.
Great video that mx4 is on a different level lol...
It’s good that Talaria listen to points for their customers. I still can’t believe they haven’t come up with something to save you putting a strap around the battery!
They really do!
Mine clunks when it Tops out because I have no sag in my suspension when I sit on it. so washboard bumps make lots of clunking. But that is only because I like to ride hard suspension with 40-60 psi in my tires. If I unwind the spring preload until it has sag, then I get no clunking. Most riders don't understand you can adjust spring tension to fit your weight and riding style. Be careful because if you put to much preload in the spring you can break the valving on shocks that have been used a lot. Not so much on brand new shocks.
Any recommendations when getting the mx4? Coming from a super 73 lmao
How do top end electeic bikes feel riding vs a gas powered dirt bike
This guy rock!
Hi,
Talaria has already explain this for the motor, the Sting R use an IPM motor and Sting MX3 is PMSM motor. And of course, IPM are a bit expense compare to PMSM.
PMSM motor has great kick off but turn flat after this, IPM motor is better in every way, good day!
@Ariane Proulx
Single tracks are more suited for IPM, however, when snap is needed like in motocross you might want SPM. At urban bicycle parks you also might want SPM for the fun factor . IPM motors actually cost less because they use less magnets compared to SPM. However, manufactures costs can be higher if or when IPM motors require tighter tolerances.
Good news: IPM motors won't toss a magnet above 15 k-watts.
Bad news: IPM motors run a higher risk of detrimental consequences if they lose a fraction of balance.
I like both motor types, however, a man chose his weapon by the job's requirement.
@@shockadellick Talaria Boys has made this test for you when they tried different sprocket with an MX3 and the Sting R is the winner in acceleration, top speed and all with also a bigger battery pack. Personally i'm not a men and use IPM motor and I don't want to get back, stick with SPM If you like them it's your choice not mine.
Hi guys. Just got a sting r over here in the uk. The thing is really snappy. Really new to ebikes and the technology. Any advice on how to get more mid range power as it seems to really be mostly bottom end power?
If you installed an aftermarket controller you could custom tune it. As far as with the stock controller there is nothing you can do.
Hey, I have a mx4 but still have motor cogging and loud clunking off-road, I did open the motor to confirm it’s ipm but the gearbox shaft is super hard to turn like you mention with the mx3 is this something I can fix on my existing motor without buying a new one?
We have found some differences between different bikes, The clunking really is normal off-road. That is weird that yours is super stiff though. I'm not sure what to tell you honestly, if its running good then I wouldn't mess with it.
I noticed with my old MX3 it got quieter after I changed the gear oil. I have not changed the oil yet in my MX4.
Our sting R has 400 miles and an oil change done and it’s as quiet as ever!
Hey! I just ordered Talaria Sting R "TL4000 2023" (L1E street version). It doesn't specifically say MX4 anywhere but it is 45ah battery. Do you think it will be the new MX4 quieter motor or is there a chance it's the older one?
Thanks!
if it has the bigger battery than its an mx4
Did you test the motor of the talaria xxx ? Is it smooth like stinger r?
Yes it’s smooth
hey guys, big fan of the Content. I am a brand new talaria sting R owner i’m reaching out as i’m having an issue with my brake light as it is constantly on and engaged as if I am pressing the break even when I’m not. Do you possibly have any trouble shooting tips or if you have possibly come across this issue in the past?
The Talaria R does not have an active brake light, it just always stays on as a rear light. There is nothing wrong with your bike.
@@Talariaboys lol 🤦♂️ thanks guys!!! keep up the good work!!!
Can I bring my bike to you and get the Talaria Boy Treatment? It'd be a fun collab to have you give my bike the once-over.
Would like to see a headlight kill switch for the new Sting R. The plugs are not the same and I haven't found an appropriate switch yet.
It is just 3 wires? Right? Just cut the plug and twist cap on a new one with some silicone in the cap ends?
Yes, our first sting R had the same plug but our 2nd batch version is different so we are trying to figure out what works and what doesn't
What is it that you put between the
Motor and front sprocket to make it quieter or so no play??
We just put a rubber washing in there, we actually had to sand it down to fit. But It didn’t seem to help to much.
What upgraded controller and 72v battery do you recommend for the Sting R?
Video coming soon!
Nice.
Hey gents, not related to the video but have you figured out how to install a USB port on the bike like the surron has?
I was able to add one to the bike by splicing the connector from the break sensor I took off. to this usb port I bought on Amazon. www.amazon.com/Converter-Adapter-Voltage-Regulator-Automotive/dp/B0B4ZFVBZV?pd_rd_w=Jo8Di&content-id=amzn1.sym.b854a5c2-4475-41f8-a6d4-df92b2868104&pf_rd_p=b854a5c2-4475-41f8-a6d4-df92b2868104&pf_rd_r=RNTWJEM4AHF4GGD2FBF9&pd_rd_wg=vrcRM&pd_rd_r=58084ae2-3978-458a-ab21-07813bcbb585&pd_rd_i=B0B4ZFVBZV&psc=1&ref_=pd_basp_bia_rpt_ba_s_oos_5_sc
Is that a stock mudflap on the Sting R or did you fab one? Great work on finding the clunk issue. Over time, I stopped hearing it. Kind of like living by an airport…
That mid flap is from Dirty Bike, here’s the link: americansurron.com/collections/talaria-sting-parts/products/dirtybike-shock-protector-mud-guard-talaria-sting-standard
We cut and modified it slightly to still fit well with the rear lower fender and it’s forking great.
thanks!
Hey guys Great Channel. Can I upgrade just my motor and controller to make mine an R? Or do i need a new throttle and screen too?💥
You don’t need a throttle or display but you’d need a motor controller and battery if you really want it to feel like an R which isn’t worth the money. If you really want an R just sell your mx3 and probably for around $1000 more than you sold your mx3 for you could get an R
@@Talariaboys Thanks for the reply, is there much difference in the battery?
Yes you get quite a bit more power and we are getting about 20 percent more range which doesn’t sound like much but when you are so used to mx3 range it’s a huge improvement
@@Talariaboys Thankyou, my old motor siezed so Ive ordered the new R motor because i had to get one and it was not much more expensive, and an R controller just because, but im still on the old battery. Will a BMS bypass do it?
So can you swap the motor with no issues? Or does it not fit on the mx3?
I just bought the MX4 motor, and I am going to try it on the MX3 controller.
Im guessing with a 48tooth sprocket you can hit close to 60mph or over with the KO controller?
Yes, I can hit around 56-58 gps with my 54 tooth even. Those rpm’s just keep climbing!
Can you add a sting r mx4 motor to a sting mx3 bike?
Yes it will bolt right on
Can you help with a question? I have just bought a talaria mx3 every time I hit a bump I get an error 0300 thank you
Thats really strange, not sure what’s going on!
@@Talariaboys thanks for the reply it happens so random will take it to a dealer as it has warranty 👍🏻
I just recently got KO nano what are your recommended settings for the talaria R?
We are working on Dialing in the settings and waiting for KO to fix a few things then we will share shortly.
Email us at Talariaboys@gmail.com if you are having issues
Do these talarias like running a chain that tight? I know on moto bikes they will snap and go straight into the side of the motor.
Talaria and Surron bikes are totally different than full dirt bikes, the way the suspension and rear swing arms actuates does not tighten the chain as you use the travel. It stays the same tension all the time.
@@Talariaboys That makes sense. I'll just be keeping mine snug in that case. Moto PTSD catching me right there lol.
The biggest improvement of the new motor is that they spelled "efficiency" correctly on it
Lol 😂
Does the 2024 mx3 have all these upgrades besides the battery and controller ?
Most of them I believe. Not exactly sure
I have a question about unlocking the bike do you have to do that code with the start button and brake and cut the brown wire or do you only cut the brown wire if the code don't work. Thanks boys
You can do either way. Whatever works
@Talaria Boys so if the code works then you don't have to cut the wire i guess that's my question
Yea if the code works you should be good👍
Cool thanks guys. My bike is showing up today. Can't wait
My R motor says brushless. Is the MX3 brushed?
It’s brushless as well just a different style of motor
Is it possible to change the twist throttle to thumb for these talaria??
That I am not sure about, I’m sure someone has done it but I don’t know of any plug and play options for sale.
@Talaria Boys thank you for getting back and love your video keep up the good works, appreciate you all.
yo could u help a fellow talaria sting r owner out??? I need the dimensions on the front caliper mounting bolt there are two that hold the caliper to the adapter piece to the fork itself... I didn't have it fully seated and was starting to round it out so im trying to source new ones or at least the dimensions so I can go to my local rebrand tools and get a replacement couple of fasteners..
thanks so much buys finally balled up and derestricted mines and wow it flies now... but yea just lemme know I know u guys can pull a bolt out for me and spec her out for me so very much appreciated...
keep ripping!!,
-pete
Yo Peter they are a very standard size bolt that will be easy to find at a hardware store or something. You just need m6x18ish mm in lenth m6 is the thread pitch. They can be the square style heads or just standard round looking. Best to find some with a 5mm Allen head on them. Let us know if you have issues.
Something like this, I’m sure you can find something a lot cheaper at a local store. www.ebay.com/itm/165579792097?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=BDgomaTPRRm&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Is the Talaria XXX review in the works ?
Video coming Tuesday morning!
@@Talariaboys Awesome ! Look forward to hearing what you guys think about it.
Is the xxx motor the same as mx3/mx4. Or is it it’s own?
It’s the same insides as a mx4 motor but it’s in a different case. So yes it’s a different motor.
same but deferent? so it's as smooth as the mx4 (not mx3 clunky),
- Can it handle the 72volt upgrade you put on your Sting?
-Batteries are $$ would a controller swap give more punch or is it really the 72volt that gives the sting the extra punch?
-Total off topic. but have you tried the ultra bee to see how it compares to the sting? Thanks again.. and great content! I think I have watched all your video's now ;)
Yes the motor feels just like an mx4 motor not a mx3,
I believe it can run the same power as an mx4 but you can’t really get a controller or battery for it yet without lots of work.
A controller helps a little, but it’s mostly the battery.
I don't care about any noise, I ride with music mostly anyway, (not around others though) but my only beef with my new R, as compared to my old Sur Ron, is the wimpy regen. Four levels? On my bike 1,2 and 3 do NOTHING, 4 is half or less the regen/braking of my Sur Ron. Doesn't matter what % of battery remaining either. Eric at Luna mentioned a while back, new ones will be set up better for regen, but for those already out there like mine, they were looking into a field modification, flashing the existing controller I believe. I am still waiting....!
As a dealer I never got why this was a bid deal in the first place. It's a normal noise. Guess we are used to real dirt bikes always clanking anyways. Talaria never bother us.
For Emoto I think we want to hear like a smooth ‘grzzzzzgrzzzzZzzzzzzz" sound not the sound of say a drawbridge coming up ‘crrallkkkcrlankky" sound. Agree isn’t is not a deal breaker, but smoother and quieter would be better imo.
About what controller you guys talking? Sorry I'm useless and new for all this thinhs
We are talking bout the talaria sting R and that the motor is smooth
@@Talariaboys talked with dealer in my country and asked how I can unlock top speed if I buy this bike ( they said it's not legal in our country ) next message was "but we have remote switch controller to unlock it ) 😂
i think the new motor has less regen also because of this new IPM mag design. smoother but way less regen...
I think luna said they just didn’t add a lot of regen. Newer models will start to come with more regen
Gotcha. Just orderded mine on Friday. using you guys as a reference for future upgrades.@@Talariaboys
This is where a synrm motor comes useful...
Can someone 6’2 ride these bikes
I’m 6’3 and love it! Get a riser handlebar and you’ll be good to go
to much battery movement when riding it, only bad point for me
talaria placed the magnets in a different place on the newer motor..........................enough said...............
Agree talaria stng r is much better
Dude I need some help can you shoot me a text for some help on my talaria
You’re running your chain way too tight sir
Thanks
Who cares just ride the bike haha