TORTURE or Easy? Our 1100km Trip in Polestar 2 EV
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
- You've seen me drive the Polestar 2 for quite some time now, around the track, on the track and to nearby countries. But what it's like to do a 1100km one-way trip?
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Misha: a tip when you are pouring liquid from a large / 5 litre container is to have the opening at the top. This way air can easily enter the container and the liquid will pour in a smooth, continuous stream without splashing. Spotted when you were refilling the windscreen washer fluid.
👍I’d use a funnel too. 🤓
But then I would not spill and Megi could not make a funny comment :(
or have the container on its side... but then again Megi could not make fun of Misha 😁
What do you mean by "opening at the top"? Like poke a hole or something?
Misha, it's best when the tank is full, turn it 90 degrees so that the wider side is parallel to the hood of the car and then start pouring with a decisive movement, I've been pouring liquid like this for many years without any funnels, vents and without spilling - practice from my former work at the gas station :)
My e30 is finally in the vlogg! It was amazing meeting you guys :)
Very nice car! It looks stunning, and reminded me of my youth. Please don’t go too crazy with it. For it’s time, it was fine bone stock. 👍
Great looking car.
Cool insights! During my last trip longer trip to Nurnberg (700 km from where I live), I stopped a total of 5 times for charging, 15 to 20 minutes each time, charging anywhere from 5% to 70% at most. I was pretty pleased with that result, this was the optimum way in terms of time loss (you basically charge with the best possible charging curve between those SoC values), and I also felt well rested and realized that 15 minutes is not enough to do anything more concrete 😂
👍That seems to be the new strategy! Any opinion on TSLA opening up it’s supercharging network? And what do you think about vending machines?
As Bjoern Nyland has shown, anywhere else than in germany, you can do 1000km in 10-11 hours with a Tesla, EV6 etc. - that's a very good time concerning I wanna do some breaks anyways. Dogs and 2nd person is a big factor for longer breaks, so no comparison to traveling during lockdown alone
1 years ago the result for Polestar 2 is 10 h 40 min.
We did 400 miles from the UK to Phantasialand last summer in a Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh.
Bit of a dump of thoughts from the trip:
Stops 1.5h apart which we really liked, charge for 20 minutes, and repeat. With that size battery while the charger spacing is fine (excluding France, so far behind, had to go to a Lidl for one stop because the main route Paris>Calais is a charging desert..), you can't always pick the optimum charger locations so had to go slightly off route a couple of times. Did homework and filtered chargemap for the good charging companies, got a plugsurfing card, all was well.
Germany is amazing for EV road trips. Ionity and Fastned everywhere, and every other service station has at least a 300kW shared EnBW charger if not ionity. Worked flawlessly.
Agree with you completely, it's such a relaxing way to road trip, even in our 'cheap' EV.
I've done 930 km from 🇳🇱 to 🇨🇭 in my VW e-Golf...should be easy peasy with a Polestar 2
eGolf! 100km range? No fast charging?
Thank you for documenting this trip! I own an EV, with similar range as yours, and before jumping into an adventure I was trying to get an idea of what to expect. I definitely learnt something from your video! 🙏🏼
A great demonstration of the pros and cons of ice vs ev thanks misha
Always good to have well behaved furbabies and a lovely companion on a long trip!
I love EV road trips in 2020 we went from Denmark to Croatia and this year I have two trips, one to Zürich and one to Red Bull Ring. I like it much better than in the old days were we drove all night as long as possible before the rest of the car woke up. Now it is much more relaxing with a charging break about every 2 hours.
We have a Tesla Model 3 LR (2020), with a newer Model 3 or even the updated Polestar 2 which arrives this year it is getting much easier to road trip in an EV. We never experienced any problems on the trips and usually the car is done charging before we are done eating. Just once back and fourth from Croatia did we have to wait for an available charger for 5 minutes.
Not to bad to be honest. And the cars are getting better and better.
I would love to have an ev as a daily driver with a fun ice car for the weekends. But for now they are to expensive for me that I can’t afford both.
I also recently did a longer trip in my Polestar 2 - 840km - and it was, frankly, torture. Charging infrastructure in the area I live is good, but as we got further away, we had problems with finding chargers that were working, for various reasons, and with the speed of highway travel in the US, we were only getting a maximum of 130mi/210km per 90% charge - each of which was taking around an hour. Also, oddly enough, there are not chargers in most rest stops in most states along the major traveling routes - we had to often take 10-25 minute detours to get a charger at a mall, shopping center, or hotel. Cost to charge was slightly worse than price-per-mile for gasoline, too.
The whole 8hr 40min trip ended up taking up closer to 13 hours each way. In my BMW 7 series it would have taken under 9 hours, with only two ~10 min stops to fill up.
I didn't expect to see an EV road trip on this channel, thanks Misha. I've got similar observations as you from my 2 years with my first EV. Doing long journeys maybe 4 times a year, it is mostly fine and yes it takes longer but I get to the end of 1000 km trips a lot more rested. My Niro doesn't charge as fast as a Polestar but is probably more economical and it does all right on long trips. Once you get used to syncing your stopping needs with the car charging needs, it is really not that bad, especially in the summer if all the charging stops happen as planned, then the 1000 km take maybe 1 hour longer than it used to in a diesel, but it doesn't take much to trip things up There generally aren't enough chargers yet and when you are travelling at busy times, waiting for chargers is pretty common, and like you observed, sometimes chargers are down or not giving you all the juice they should. At Christmas, not having to wait for chargers but having to swap a few times due to slow charging, the 1000 km took us maybe 2.5, 3 hours more than with a diesel. The next EV will be a Tesla, good efficiency, good charging, better charging network, I expect the road tripping experience to improve significantly.
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I guess I am over the discussion ICE vs EV 😂
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And Misha, you really need to work on your charging time utilization game 😉
Charging from 80%-100% takes usually almost the same time as 0%-80%
DAYUM
Big adventure! I moved across the USA with my Polestar a few months ago, it went smoothly except for the cats hated my partner's Golf so we had to do some shuffling at a few charge stops lol
You're making me want to start planning this year's big EV road trip early!
(Edit: the Polestar you inspired me to get!)
I do a 400 mile trip in my Model 3 Performance pretty often and it only takes me about a half hour longer than my Tacoma (7.5 hrs in Taco, 8 hrs in Tesla). I’m in the western US though so speed limits are high and I charger hop. So I arrive at the charger below 10% and charge to about 60% and go. That way, the car charges at it’s fastest speeds.
Haven’t had any charging issues and I’ve driven it all over the western US
👍Supercharging is great. How much do you pay per kWh, and does it vary by region?
@@TamagoHead prices change depending where you are. Last time I did the trip it was about $25 for the whole trip (one way).
@@rcktmn 👍I pay $4.29/gal in Honolulu. Was just curious!
@@TamagoHead you’d likely save quite a bit of money if you can home charge. I don’t think I’ve paid more than $40/month home charging.
I loved driving the Polestar 2! I’m working on a cinematic review of it right now!
Noble cream is my favorite google translate of Nurburgring.
I can't imagine any long trip is really less constrained in an EV. That is basically the ICE trick - that you can bang in energy super fast.
But with care a long journey in an EV can be completely fine, I drive from south England to Scotland quite regularly. With planning it is nearly as quick, and certainly more relaxing. And the obvious point - for all of the rest of my driving the first 200 miles from home are always without any stress or payment.
And I have a similar P2 with performance upgrade, so that power is always on tap.
My 1 trip was to Switzerland c.a. 1200km with Jetta 1.4 turbo. 44litre tank and 12l
-14 litres consumption. I stop as much as EV car, but was really tired.
Now i dove Octavia with 1.5tdi engine and did 900km trip without refuelling. Smooth drive without serious overspeeding and was totally fresh after this trip. O. EV i will be stressed about recharging.
2:53 Pancake 😍😍😍😍
I have driven Vancouver, BC to Bend, OR twice now (summer and winter) in my LRDM P2. It is a 730km trip and generally has two charging stops. I have driven it in an hybrid ioniq with 1 stop before. It used to take 8.5hrs in an Ice car and now takes about 9.5hrs with the electric car. I find the biggest difference is that when I get there, my back doesn't hurt and I am not exhausted. If you are already in for 8.5hrs and extra hour is not so bad. ABRP has helped a lot with planning the charging stops as Google maps is just wrong about state of charge.
The QL on your numberplate stands for "Quality Luggagespace" ^^
My fastest trip in the US was from Kentucky to middle of Texas 1046 miles or 1683km time was 12 hours +/-. Stopped at 1/4 tank to re fuel and during that time I would use the bathroom and grab quick snacks. I have a similar approach on road trips where I just want to “get there” and not waste time.
My point of that is , I could see my self getting an EV to go to work & back but not long journeys. However cost benefit is substantial. Used 4 tanks of fuel on that trip.
👍Mini-cannonball! What kind of car?
My old 340 that’s my profile thumbnail.
@@contrackg42 very impressive! Yeah, not the type of transit time that’s possible with an EV.
Nothing against EVs the charging infrastructure needs to improve.
Variant of your 340? My 528i was uninspiring, but okay.
Awww the dogs just chilling in the back seats 😊
For the windshield fluid, you can flip the container on its side. It will easier and more precise to pour the liquid IN the hole!
Thanks for the insight, very pleasing to gather Info on this topic from you.
I’ve never done a long trip with an EV. Though last year I’ve driven to Italy with my vw Golf (900km each way) and spent a good 12h on the road, taking the time for food stops and girlfriend‘s bathroom stops every 2h or so. Bearing in mind that this is more realistic rather than trying to beat Google maps (which everyone of us is guilty of.. 😉) I could have done this in an EV of some sort. But the costs are just insane. I’ve spent 250€ on fuel for the entire trip, I find your costs a bit too much but they’ll get there one day.
How much for a liter of petrol? I pay $4.29 for a gallon in Honolulu currently. 🧐
@@TamagoHead back in July I paid an average of 1,78€ per liter
@@rico123rv yikes! Sorry to hear that ☹️
@@TamagoHead Currently this is what I would call rather cheap 🥲
I miss the old days where I paid 1,10€ - 1,20€ per liter.. back then it was such a blast to rape a tank of fuel in 2 days but now it’s just pure torture for the wallet.
Thank you Misha!! Someone trying to see if EV is a viable alternative without bias. Regarding charging prices, it is extortionate however I will mention that Ionity do "Ionity Passport" which is a monthly subscription at around 15 Euros a month however it reduces the unit charge cost from 79c to 33c / kW so if you charge any more than 200kW per month it means cost per kW is 40c which makes it way cheaper than petrol costs and on a par if not slightly cheaper with diesel. There are other subscription services for other chargers but I find Ionity as the fastest most reliable and best priced charge network (and I don't work for them!)
Where is Teslabjorn?
EV roadtrips in EU is easy
Normally you set a charging limit to 80% so that you get better charging rates and is more healthy for the car battery. Them you already know Misha the less charge you have on the battery, the more faster is charging.
I know, but most of destinations we needed 80+
Depends on compatible charging along the route, plus EV range is known to decline in winter for all EVs regardless of brand.
Hey, I roadtrip solo every couple of weeks 'twees Brisbane and Newcastle here in Australia (750km trip each way) in a TM3 RWD, it takes 7.5hrs + 30mins charging (AU$40). In my Lancer it would take 7.5hrs and AUD$80. Now, if I had dogs and a wifey, yes it'd also take 14hrs and cost twice an ICE journey. Don't you worry!
I enjoyed this video since you’re not an EV fanboy. There’s realistic trade offs, and the dogs were well behaved.
Vending machines, and restroom access would be nice touches, and as a safe place to walk your dogs would be great.
Actually the dogs had always some grass to walk on, most of the highway stops are in the rural area/forest
@@mgcharoudin Thank you very much for the response! Lovely dogs, and good use of child safety features on the rear doors! I loved this piece. It was one interesting & informational and relaxing! 👍
Good video
Doing long trips with an EV is much easier now compared to 3 years ago. Doing the 80%-10% rule is also easier because there are much more chargers now.
The thing that still sucks is being dependant on the local infrastructure to charge when you don’t park in a hotel or a garage at your destination. If you go to the Netherlands or Germany it’s gonna be fine, there are plenty of chargers. If you go to Belgium (especially Wallonie), good luck finding one.
For your next trip, you can try adding other chargers companies on top of Ionity. For example, the Polestar 2 can charge on Tesla Superchargers. That would add (in theory) an extra number of waypoints and reduce your total travel time event more.
Well you could charger in no-Ionity charger. Great video. Hope you can test a NIO ET5 (better Touring) and BYD Seal. Thanks for the videos and opinions.
I guess Mr. Bjorn Nyland will happily explain you everything about EVs "like a BAOSSSE" =)
👍he’s great! Love the guy!
I'm sure the dogs loved all the stops Misha.
brother, what'up.thanks. how superb - 💯
Big up Misha 🙌🏼
Brilliant 👍🏼 Oh man that E30 was pristine. I’ve had 2. A 325i se (4 door) and a 318is M sport.
Looking at the prices of them now I wish I’d never sold them. My first BMW was an E28 5 2.8i back in 1999
Last trip on my Clio Baccara was almost 1900km and I spent exactly 240€.
I feel like electric still doesn't do it for road trips, specially on public chargers that some of which make you pay more than a diesel car. I had an EV once as a leasing, and I only kept it for 6 months, but that's in Portugal, no idea of the prices over boarders.
And the rest of the years you drive a whole month for €50 doing normal driving to work and stuff
@@user-yn5sk5ru5g zero if you have home PV.
At 70cent/kwh is not that much cheaper
nice vlog, finaly a good video here not all lap times :( i miss the days when i used to watch you averyday vloging. now just uploading laps only :(
Are you aware of the monthly subsciption models from Enbw? Could maybe come in quite handy on the next roadtrip. Also I just checked if polestar is inlcuded/comes with a year of cheaper ionity charging but unfortunately not. Also I loved this video! Roadtrip plus ev is a exciting combo to watch.
You could have cut your charging time by charging to about 60% when it starts tapering off on the charging amount into the battery. Out of Spec Motoring does this on cross country trips and it saves him a lot of charging time. But you do have to stop more but it is worth it. The cost is what is surprising a lot of people because everyone has been saying that it would be cheaper to operate. Not so...
Thanks for the honesty and acknowledging that it's twice as long as with a petrol car and frankly I understand DS for the logo because I thought a DS7 at the very beginning of the video
I don’t tbh, the chevrons are clearly not placed the same, the issue now is that France at least can’t get polestar cars…
@@MrTchou one more time And maybe also because DS is better known than polestar here in France but at first sight I thought it was a DS and yes it's not a copy but a resemblance
@@ThePontiacgto65 well their only argument was there are chevrons in the logo.
It’s a bit like the quattro vs quadra between audi and renault at the time. I wasn’t saying anything about the look of the cars, just that I find it stupid that DS managed to get polestar out of France. The loosers are the french people and frankly i don’t think polestar and ds clients are the same.
Can’t wait for your review of your MY24!! what a trip!
I'm not about EV's (elsewhere polluting), but you had extra family time which is never payable under any circumstance... 😊
It seems viable! Thanks for the insights.
Do you use a better routeplanner to get charger suggestions? Like the app
Does Volvo still have a performance unit, or did they scrap everything for ev’s
Some of their cars are still "engineered by Polestar", so I guess it's both!
The performance division is called Cyan now i beleive
Those with cars from manufacturers that own ionity (VW, Audi, Porsche, ford, Hyundai) get to charge for c35c/kWh at ionity, less than half what you paid.
Love me a road trip. Just not in a fully electric vehicle. Nuff planning involved. Wicked video
Misha, you don’t have paste the new stickers 350kW ? I’m french, sorry for my english
No, I am afraid to mess it up
Try too fill fluid upside-down. Handle down and the hole upp. U will se something amazing. No klunk klunk
No m,atetr how tidy yoru cornersand lines are Misha, your packing makes up for all your perfectness lol
My EV only makes 150km stints, so on longer trips there are too many stops, but I bought an old, used EV and saved a ton on the price. But 350 days a year I don‘t need to spend any minute at a petrol station and have a preheated car that definitely is better for our environment. The charging stops on long trips are a tradeoff I‘m happily willing to take.
С Москвы до Питера на одном баке (750км) средняя скорость 130-140 км) запас топливо остается на 150-200 км😇
Машина BMW 630D G32
На электричке свой интерес конечно, но я больше за ГИБРИД)
Mischa, next time get the membership on IONITY for reduced charging fee. On the polestar you should also get a discount for the first year of ownership. Double check that with them 👍
The discount has been extended, I just received an email from Plugsurfing and Polestar also announced it on Facebook.
The price has gone up a little from €0.35 to €0.40 per kWh, but still it's way cheaper than the normal Ionity tarif
To be fair, you can do more stops also with an ICE car an get to a destination more rested :P
You cant compare Ionity Charging to regular fast charging prices. Ionity is extremely overpriced and sadly even unreliable..
Last year in the summer I made a roadtrip from Cologne to Svolvaer (Lofoten, Norway) in my Tesla Model 3 SR+ (around 250km of usable range when staying between 10-90% and driving moderately fast in Germany and speed limit in all other countries) without taking ferries. Overall it was 7300km within 10 days of driving, with around 700km stages each day (9-10h of driving). And although it was a very long trip with an electric car, it was a stress-free and relaxing trip (partly due to the many charging stops and a lot less traffic up there). Thanks to the Supercharger Network, where almost every station can be used by every EV brand in Norway, Sweden and Denmark, there was not a single charging issue and the overall cost was not that high (~45ct / kWh and about 1050kWh used).
I see doggos in a Polestar, I smile :)
Hi Misha looks thight. Would love our Volvo V60 AWD as fully electric. Love the style and the driving Performance.
Funny, this seems to show some cultural differences between Europe and the US. Most Americans do not view roadside rest as a good thing. We just want to get where we're going (and probably back to work).
Can you take a accord to the track
Give me one
@@mgcharoudin I wish I could buy one myself unfortunately🥲😂
when pouring fluids the hole must be the highest point not lowest
As a Hybrid driver (gen II prius) i’m curious about the trip planner in the polestar, does it plan the entire trip with charging ?
For what i’ve seen in the videos, the one from Tesla can tell you for the whole trip, that you’ll have 3 stops for example,
and tell you that at stop one you’ll arrive with 10% SoC, charge it up to 80%,
stop two you’ll be at 12%, charge it up to 60%,
and stop 3 you’ll be at 8%, charge it up to 90%,
and you’ll arrive at your destination with 30% SoC.
All from the start of the trip.
Also, is there a crossover between charging station brands i mean if you have ionity, can you use the card on non ionity chargers (or can you use your standard credit card to pay ?)
Do you think it is feasable to drive from Karlovac (Croatia) Nurburgring then drive on the track and return home without sleeping?
Feasible? Yes. Safe? No.
Great video.. what was your average consumption?
I think it was around 24ish kwh
Nice trip
But the cost comparison is not correct.
Especially with the Polestar 2 you get a special IONITY deal where you pay €0.35 per kWh (and newly €0.40) when using your Plugsurfing card. So a standard charging stop between 50 - 60 kWh is more around the €20.- for 200 - 300 km depending on weather and speed.
But wihtout these special deals that lots of Manufactureres offer it can really get expensive.
Still comparing the consuption of a somewhat 100kW ICE car with a 350 kW sports car is not really fair. ;-)
Nice car, but 6 hours more when you are doing it quite efficient is still quite a bit more. I would be to impatient for that.
Misha, next time flip the jug of wiperfluid around. When the opening is above the fluid level in the container you won't get the glugs (air can freely enter the container without the escaping fluid creating a vacuum inside pulling air in by force (which is the reason for the glugs)) and thus an even poor, thus an easier time getting the fluid where it should go. Just a tip!🫡
damn that tail
That look from Pancake :D :D :D
next video buying golf 7.5 gtd for long trips
This sorta journey in an EV needs a different mind set. It needs to be a relaxed drive, rather than trying to get to the destination as quickly as possible.
You telling this to the guy that's living at the Nürburgring? Every GPS ETA is a Time to Beat! 🤣🤣🤣
@@mgcharoudin Indeed! Well put.
@@mgcharoudin 🤣🤣🤣Your fault if so! You weren’t even trying!
It seems like you enjoyed the drive, instead of just enduring the drive.
So...with an EV you pay almost double for the trip and get later to destination with almost 3 hrs... The dream of every driver.
In my opinion the EV for long trips aren't pratical. Maybe hydrogene fuel cell is a better solution for long trips since it's faster to refuel.
Good luck building a hydrogen infrastructure out🤭 Better to have investments in universal charging. 🤓
Hopefully TSLA Europe can open up the supercharger network there.🤞
Nobody pays full price at IONITY 🤣
So in simple terms your 25-30% slower by using electric transport. I don’t agree with the resting argument I drive from the UK to the south of France and I enjoy getting the journey done in one go. 5-10 min toilet/fuel stops on route. Like a pulling off a band aid I feel it’s better to get it done faster than dragging it out over a longer time. For me it adds too much time to the trip to make it viable in one go.
I "enjoy" getting there in one go too, but the toll afterwards MAY be higher
Hola Misha
Bedankt voor dit inkijkje van EV reizen, dit is niet voor mensen die records willen zetten op reisafstanden. Snel laders onderweg zijn duur, als je thuis zonnepanelen hebt laad je gratis, ik ken niemand met een eigen benzine of diesel bron in de tuin.
What is the breed of dog @ 2:54 they are beautiful!
Border Collie I think
Australian Shepherd
Does misha film with his phone still ? looks amazing at night
whats that for a watch?
Fuelcost? EV vs petrol
Watch the vid
@@mgcharoudin damn, i missed the part, sry!
Life is too short to drive something like that.
Seems ok for high density europe except for the costs… it’s a bit horrifying that public fast charging is so expensive despite the countless billions govts have been burning to supposedly solve the issue…
Not sure I’d ever trust an EV in the US, especially states like Wyoming where a broken charge point might meaning serious hardship and danger.
i am not fan of EV for now..when i would drive 500-600km without charging i will get one..not before..
Fantastic video and insight to electric cars but petrol for me. Get rid of electric cars lol, keep up the good work misha.
🤣 is it compare pears with apples or compare apples with pears 🤔
Yuk,No, definitely not an ever ready battery car.Waste of time and money!!!!. I traveled from UK to Greece on one top up of tank in my Isuzu 2,5 litter twin turbo pick up.Plus we were fully loaded with a ton of stuff for our house. Infact l think we were over the weight limit.
Having said that l done a return trip to UK later. Topped up before leaving Greece and again half way to UK. 2 day trip using motorways. Just over 100€ for a tank of fuel. No hanging around for hrs charging up batteries 😒.
They have got to get 100% better with batteries before l would even consider a battery on wheels.
By the way we used to be able to get City Diesel in UK. This was a very low Sulphur content fuel. As apposed to normal Diesel. No more unfortunately.
Reason for mentioning this is because fuel companies can produce lower emissions with fuel. They just don't want to because of cost.plus they see the electric car falling on its face.
We shall see what happens.
I can see hundreds of so called batteries on wheels lineing up at charging points because there will never be enough.
6/ 7 mins to fuel car up now. 1/2 hrs to charge a battery on wheels . I rest my case. 🇬🇷
Its bad if you need to get in a far away place in a hurry
I’m new to the channel but I have a question your girlfriend/wife is Croatian right??
Yes
@@mgcharoudin I knew it a perfect Croatian accent 🇭🇷 no bad thoughts I’m Croatian as well hehhee 🤩
@@mgcharoudin also I’m myself thinking of getting a polestar 2 here in sweden 🤩
Wow I cannot believe the cost of 250 euro for the journey, over twice ice cost. The cost of charging must have exploded
FAST charging yes. Home charging is really doable. You can also snail the whole trip and consume less. But I'm not that guy
@@mgcharoudin Don't you have the plugsurfing Ionity discount?
My current rate is 0.35€ and I've seen people with 2021 MY getting a renewed rate of 0.40€ at Ionity through Plugsurfing.
what i'm worryed about is the "ever after"
EV is now a very nice story
but there comes a time for recycling (or beter the lack off ...)
recycling battery's or solarpanels etc is a $ nightmare
and even windmills are failing on a massive scale now
wich are also nonrecyclable $ wise
i've pro hydrogen from the start, but that was supresed from the start
axcept for the ever growing BRICS nations
Only time will tell I'm afraid
Actually, companies are cropping up to do recycling. With huge automotive battery packs, the basic chemistry is known, thus easier to recycle. e.g. NMC vs LFP.
@@TamagoHead about battery's: why these battery's with those rare and very harmfull metals?
salt battery's is just 1 exsample of the several without those metals
but ya don't even need battery's in the first place !
there are currently over 900 ! pattents that could provide FREE nrg blocked and ppl are killed over je because that would make capitalism obsolete and take away the power of the "elite"
I would rather travel in an mk2 golf 1.6d
Finally some foodshots again.
Foodshot 2/10
Way to expesnive for your average joe. You should not buy brand new just based on the depreciation it gets for rolling off the lot. EVs will kill the used car market. Welcome to hell, where no one can afford to travel and shipping cost sky rocket. Do you think your children will be able to buy a car their first car when they are old enough to drive? Not Likely, my first car cost 400$ . But hey we're saving the enviorment by using rare earth metals and lithium instead of gasoline and oil.
Hearing that you pay double the money for "fuel" kinda makes me not want to drive a full electric car...
You save elsewhere
@@mgcharoudin probably depends on the car you'd be buying otherwise.
I drive a Kia now and the PHEV version of it would be 12k more, so that's a lot of money that you have to get back from somewhere else.
I'll happily check out cars once my leasing contract is up in 4 years, curious about the development that will have happened by then.