Forza Driving School | Racing Lines and Technique
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 16. 06. 2024
- I've been wanting to make a driving technique / racing line video for a while...and there might be a part 2 at some point...I ended up cutting a decent bit of info to keep things coherent. Anyway, thanks for sitting around for some driver's ed! Deep dives into this kind of stuff is really fun for me, and I hope you got some enjoyment out of it as well!
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I respect your attempt to try to improve the forza racing community and online experience
but people will still ram you
Next step; Euthanize wall riders and rammers
@@0Blueaura I had some guy competing in a community championship with me. We were behind the lead (our guy), and he decides he wants to pass.
Instead of doing a normal pass because his car outperforms mine, he gets neck-in-neck with me and veers across two lanes to try and knock me off the road.
Stabilized the car, but never understood what that idiot was doing.
Good Informative enjoyable video. Please do more car reviews the Porsche 966 review rocked
@BlueAura IKR
Forza / Playground should promote this video....a lot....every day....anywhere they can
Hi
Tbh they should, Right now the online community is toxic
@@bert4969 "DEFFINTLY" lol
Yeah since they based the ai on us, complete bs
Wth
Gran Turismo: "You should try out these license tests to improve your techniques."
Forza: "Here's a car. Good luck!"
Glad this video blew up
You will fail massively if you don't drive clean in Gran turismo, it basically forces you to drive clean
Its like my mom and dad!
Mom: Heres a knife,your knuckles should be out when you cut something.
Dad: heres a knife,dont die.
Edmund Ng I needed that! đđ
Gran Turismo: *touch grass briefly*
Also Gran Turismo: *lose 50 mph instantly*
@@kvltizt Forza: *Gets cocky and thinks I can make the turn going 200 mph*
The Turn: "Haha, funny, but no."
Hoki:"Do not drift."
Takumi: "sorry what?"
What about drift adventure
Takumi takes it pretty straight compared,to the other cars
*eurobeat intensifies*
@@InForTheLonghaul whats funny I bet you had well over 1000 people read all 3 of these comments but had no clue who takumi is or what Initial D is
@@InForTheLonghaul yo chill he was joking just shut up
âTurn off traction controlâ Me : -Playing with a keyboard that makes a single press of W a full throttle-
Watch Isuckatdriving
oof
I played on keyboard and Xbox one controller with assists disabled expect abs. I absolutely beat the crap out of unbeatable ai in every terrians of race.
It's take practice and some time to get better with skill.
Orrrrrrr you're using bad tunes that affect factor of handling and performance to making you drive like shit.
playing on keyboard is quite manageable, besides being disadvantaged in braking, the immediate steering response is something only keyboard or maybe a controller can achieve, driving with a wheel is way harder. and yea throttle control is more manageable if you get the correct power level settings with a car.
I play perfectly fine without traction control on keyboard
Me: Ok. Time to properly accelerate.
*Presses W*
"Nope"
Ikr, full throttle lol. On controller it is a little better cuz u can somewhat control the throttle, I wish I had a wheel tho
@@Didbocb having a wheel in forza is terrible. I have a Logitech g29 and the second someone taps me I spin out and come last
@BaTtLeFiElD ThReELMG yeah unless your doing sim racing controller is better
i use controller but i really want a wheel
Ppooooopoolloloplolollllllllllllllolllll no it
Froza: dont drift
Nfs: pulling gymkana every corner
so true tho
that was the main reason i quit with nfs in 2015
Hoki: Stop using those fully tuned x class Lamborghinis
Me: But how did you know?
just bring it down to s2 youll see ahuge improvement in your positions
But the highway runs be getting me tons of influence. What gives?! Lambs đ excluded. Lol
SIKE i use a ferrari
Konisseg
imo A class is the most fun racing in competitively.
Good video on how it should be done. Now let's talk about the general Forza driver :
* If there is a wall, don't worry about braking, just use the wall to take a corner
* In Street Scene, there are no walls, just use other players as your "wall point", which will help you take turns
* Slowing down before a corner you do best by hitting other players
* Concentrate on checkpoints and hit other players just before it, which will slow them down or take them off track, which will give you the edge.
** Obviously I am being sarcastic here, but unfortunately my hints are closer to the reality ingame than yours :( **
I just bought this game and I feel attacked lmao
@@thebepis712 exactly the same :D :D
Dang it! I didn't know I could be so toxic... Luck I didn't play pvp yet.
ouch
literally all the newbies and noobs use these
Does anyone feel that unbeatable bots are unrealistically fast?
Yup the damn AI and their ford focuses
Apparently if you check the telemetry on unbeatable AI in Forza 7, they ouput WAY more horsepower and torque than they should be able to with the cars they use.
TL;DR, they are essentially cheating.
Yeah feels like they break physics
Yes, its confirmed that they rubber band badly. The only recourse to beating them is to fight your way to the front immediately because they won't really pass you or hope the course you're racing on has lots of turns because they are awful at corners.
I've thought this the few times I've faced them. I remember once in Forza 7, I did a race in the Hoonicorn against Unbeatable Drivatars and I was only a corner or two ahead of a STOCK Hoonigan Escort. Here's where it gets funny though: I liked using the Renault F1 car for credit grinding long races around Road Atlanta, and the Drivatars' lap times were four or five seconds behind me with identical cars. LOGIC!
Great video. Now if only we could make this mandatory viewing before jumping online so shitters stop ramming me into oblivion.
Exactly why I've NEVER played an online race in a Horizon game
yes use this as a intro vid for all forza races
agreed
HokiHosh please see this
Yoo... I do this too much. I don't typically follow proper racing etiquette because I find it too difficult (which is why I'm usually a solo or ghost player), so when someone gets in my racing line, it can be difficult to slow down in time to not wreck into them, especially when they're braking.
The result is usually a lot of *bump, bump, slide, bump, slide, slide, hit wall against them, pass, apologize, continue to race,* all while cursing at my own inability to correct the situation properly.
Getting better, but no one else follows the racing techniques I've been using for 15+ years. It can be hard to adjust.
In forza horizon 5 hopefully they add a system so that if a player is going way faster than all the others, that player is ghosted. So then they will pass through you and then they will slam into the wall.
âDonât driftâ
My local tofu delivery guy:
*and I took that personally*
As a Top 50 - 100 rivals driver it can be frustrating finding people to race with, I hope this helps a lot of people so we can all have more fun in the end! Great work Hoki, much respect.
Yeah I try to get up there in the top 50 but its pretty dang difficult
@@thatpersonthatguy it takes a lotttttt of practice and patience my friend. Keep at it, I'll see you on tbe boards! đ€đ
I'm complete garbage at this game. But hopefully now I might be able to get better
I haven't checked but in FM6 my laptimes was matching amongst top 50ish, around top 30th for i think one track too and yeah it's impossible to find anyone fun to play against, especially clean drivers. Doesn't help sorting out an online race between friends is for some reason the hardest thing in existence, spending 20+ minutes between each race just getting people to survive past the picking a car part and NOT getting jumped into separate events xD
@@JoshuaJayMyers I'm in the top 100 at the Ambleside Village Circuit (fixed cars) and honestly racing in Forza Horizon is not fun at all. Ramming, track abuse, and AWD being always superior. I bought F1 2019 a few months ago and Asetto Corsa today and honestly my skill has improved amazingly, and you can enjoy racing without getting punted off every corner.
Manual with clutch gang đđđđȘđŸđȘđŸđŻ
ya-yeet
Ayyy
it's really fun and you can shift faster than auto or manual w/out clutch if you find the golden spot between your last 500 rpm and the redline and don't release the gas when you shift.
Itâs easy
Sheeeiit easy to play
Great to see someone trying to teach the younger or less experienced players of forza how to improve their driving.
I'm an experienced player, but love your content and detailed expectations
Explanations** đđ
I've been diving into FH5 as my first racing game, and I've been loving it but tutorials like this are definitely appreciated
One can really tell that you have fun making these videos, it really is very entertaining and interesting listening to you. Thanks for this great video!
I literally just turned this game off because of ramming. Literally your own teammates taking you out of races. This video should be mandatory to play online haha
Yeah I hate deliberate ramming, you can just tell they're prepping for it sometimes so you have to try and pre avoid it.
well you are in luck because with the newest update rammers are f*cked now.
(If there is a big difference in speed, collision will be turned off :)
Wow I'm sorry I didn't know "ramming" was such a disrespectful thing in this game. Honestly I had my first contact with racing games with the "arcade" ones (?) (AKA NFS Underground, like most people) and I could only beat the game using the "ramming" technic (wich I was very proud of). I find it very funny to be honest, like using the bots to make the curve using no break XD. I'm sorry.
Ω Louy Maracaipe Ω I donât care about it offline, but online, it ruins everyoneâs game
@@caden3122 not to mention it makes me go on the offensive against rammers til I get them to quit because of trash they are during online races.
I seen your tuning video pop up in my recommended yesterday and clicked on it for later use as i really want to get deeper into racing games.
Actually watched it today and it got me hooked into the game. Thanks for these videos and im sure many others also appreciate them.
Ive always loved racing games but i was always the player flying thru corners at high speed or drifting because it looks cool. While wondering why i get passed. Realizing that smooth is fast has definitely got me more into the game.
New sub
I had the profound privilege to attend a racing school many years ago and what I just witnessed with your video on translating good racing techniques to the Forza environment was treat to view. You have an organic way of presenting concepts and their practical application that makes learning from you very enjoyable. Thanks for sharing ... Cheers, Dave (new sub)
Terrible automatic transmission driver here. I've spent most of my few hundred hours in FH4 driving moronic S1-X class supercars like a cartoon super villain in between futzing around with creating designs. Figured it was time to learn how to drive properly and came across this video. Thanks for the lesson, now it's time to knuckle down and git gud. Cheers m8.
How's your progress coming along? I'm currently delivering Tofu going over 200 mph on roads and sometimes nearly crashing into people's homes.
Update us
I have been practicing drifting a bunch. I went from only being able to throw the tail end of the car out and lose control but now i can confidently say i know how to manage throttle control much more now. Not only that but i have a better idea and grasp on throttle management. Which in my case means i can drive my car knowing how it will react to my controls. I'm far from perfect and haven't done any street races recently but i think any practice is still good practice. I found that in edinburgh you can drive between powerlines or whatever poles they are to get a very good feel for how your weight transfer handles and at speeds which your car can handle. Also you can step it up by going faster and going between every other pole. But that requires more skill so start slow and easy first
@@christianlee1151 Thatâs some gamer moment type stuff right there. Keep it up. đ
We need an update
I found the best way to learn driving lines was to turn it off altogether. I haven't used a racing or braking line in Forza since Motorsports 4.
Sorry but that may be good for very experienced player. When I don't know the track by heart... It's impossible to take corners well like that. Same goes for camera I prefer wheel cam but in fh4 I need to see where I'm going first....
It is difficult at first, but after some time no matter where you drive you just know how to turn. Also I donât like looking at lines, ruins good game aesthetics:P
Remember when games didnt have racing lines? We'd be screwed these days haha
I never have the lines enabled, or rewind either, both feel like the game is assuming I can't play videogames. "Hey player, this might be your first ever videogame so why don't I show you exactly when to brake and turn. Crashes? What crashes? Let's just rewind that"
@@Cypeq according to what I can understand, just remember this tip. Whenever you turn in any racing game, no matter how tight the turn is, try to stay on the inner side of the turn. Combine this with drifting, you can take on the tightest of turns while losing very little speed.
I watched this a few months ago (before 5 came out) and legit it has completely changed my entire experience with the game. I'm having 10x more fun. I literally have gone from struggling against average drivers to leading the pack in the trial against "unbeatable" drivers. I'm still understanding more of the lessons almost every day I play
The quality of these videos is always outstanding! Keep it up man.
Hey, you've done a fantastic job of commentating and teaching in this video! Very well done, I have to say. There is so much junk out there for people trying to teach something and they either don't know what to say or how to professionally speak it either. You are way above the rest. Cheers to you! Thanks.
Thank you for the vid, I usually don't play with anyone else because of ramming but it's good to see someone giving a helping hand to those who are willing to learn
Ty hoki for everything.
It's always nice to look back at the basic again. Sometimes there's just a thing that you forgot and it causes trouble because you neglected it. This is always be useful for that reason.
Thank you Hoshi, this has helped me a lot [ like in real life on my motorcycle riding for a few years and after an accident in order to get my lic. back I had to take a course, they taught us the physics of riding, I'm a far better rider now]. Please do more of these. Your friend in gaming and life, Jim.
I'm only just getting into these games, and your videos are all still incredibly valuable and relevant. Good on you!
Dude. A HUGE thank you. From a new Forza player. I'm playing on the new Forza 5 and I watched your video which greatly improved my driving skills and fun with the game. You really helped me out. Thank you sir! đ€
Thank you so much, this answered SO many questions I had that I was struggling to find decent answers to.
I just picked up FH4. Started out the gate with No breaking or steering assist. Traction control and stability control off. Shifting Manual w/ Clutch, using PS4 controller on PC. Love it.
This video has greatly improved my driving ability immediately. I thought learning manual would be tough, since I've never used it before, but really it just took a few minutes driving around the map to get use to it. I'm not immediately amazing, but I can tell just following your advice has made a huge difference!
Yeah, manual shifting seemed scary to me at first but now I actually love it and find it way more fun than automatic! I still have no idea what to do with the clutch though, that version confuses me a lot. (edit: I know irl you need to use the clutch every time you shift but the Forza version seems to work differently than I expected and it's super difficult)
I wish I'd seen this video sooner, bro had all the answers to all the questions racing through my mind.. You're a GOD
Hoki: talks about smooth driving
keyboard players: aight we gonna head out
Im all or nothing baby!!!
The perfect controller is the Xbox search-for-controller button
Man you're a life saver, I've begun to actually control my car a lot more and I'm finding it way easier to drive the car now. Who knew manual is actually useful in this game lol, I remember when manual was only good when you had a wheel set up. :)
I started 3 days ago, and instantly took to dirt/cross country. This helped with how I view circuit racing, and why I struggle with it.
Thank you for improving our driving and making whole community better!
Cheers hoki. Another great video. Clearly narrated and well explained.
Keep up the good work bud, there is litterally no one else who actually applys realworld physics and driving techniques. I have had to show your vids to almost everyone i know who plays forza. Much easier to explain this way rather then ranting on and on lol
well purpleguy123 is explaining how to drive cars with different layouts and brakingtimes in his horizon guide to xy
THANK YOU. I've been looking for a video that explained exactly this. thank you for taking the time to explain it well. Cheers
11:52 That scene was brilliant. Thank you for helping us understand how to play this awesome game.
Also, when practicing all of these techniques, use a RWD car. AWD in these games are OP and drive on rails. Nothing teaches you better throttle control than a RWD car that wants to kick out all the time.
Very true, I trained myself in online racing with rwd cars for a few months and my throttle control has gotten top notch since I started playing
Rwd cars more fun especially on dirt tracks
RWD is nearly unusable on keyboard.
@@spinyslasher6586 it depends on the cars (yes I'm looking at you regera) on MnK i personally don't like AWD cars especially when drivetrain were swapped from original it's just weird
@@newbplaygames You can drive lower class RWD cars on Keyboards.
Me: starts drifting
Cars: passes me
Me: goes to youtube and searched for this
Love this, i'd recommend this to anyone that wants to get into racing! Amazing job mate
I've never played a racing game using manual transmission I've always been a automatic type player but for some reason your video got me to try and man the difference is amazing! After a couple hours I was flying through tracks with cars higher than S1 class without ramming the wall over and over again. I wont ever go back to auto after this. Great video!
Hell yeah new video, great tips!
It's just my second day playing..I'm hooked!
Crystal Hamilton
And now?
Xbox and Forza first timer here (yeah a noob).
I'm extremely grateful for your videos bro. Just the content I was looking for, but way better.
I have just started playing Horizon 4 and I don't often play car games. This video was very helpful, thank you :)
Been playing on unbeatable with all assists off for a long time, this is a great tutorial and should help a lot of newer players learn how to run lines.
It's sad that despite how good this video and advice is people are still going to ram me out of the way as I hit the apex in a hairpin
Steve get good
John Smith can really get good if you are rammed of the road and miss a checkpoint huh
Crazy geez88 get good mate
@@JohnSmith19282 get good
John Smith
It doesnt have to do with âgetting goodâ, when youre being hit by two or three cars at once.
If all three are squeezing you out, going through a corner, youre going outside the checkpoint.
You cant push them all around, you cant warp speed ahead, and sometimes you cant get behind them if thereâs already a car blocking you in back.
Great tutorial! You literally helped me drive manual in real life I appreciate you!đđŒ great content as always!
Hey Hoki, this is the first video i have ever seen of yours, and although I have been comfortably racing on the "unbeatable" setting since Forza Motorsport 4, it was fun to see how others explain just how they race and explaining how more novice drivers can improve themselves. I always like to think of GRIP as being a major factor. Tires, suspension, and a good clutch/gearbox are some of the key elements for any car in any class. I really enjoyed this video as it provided me with a different viewpoint of how beginner racers see things.
love your videos they have all been helpful :)
This is a very good video. Simple things that will improve your times . Guaranteed.
Very similar to a vid I watched many years ago showing the same useful information and advice.
This will improve your times in all games past, present and future.
You sir just got a new subscriber, love the videos, the editing, your easy on the ears and soothing voice makes it a joy to watch compared to the more "extreme " and roydy youtubers (im not naming any just to be a gentleman).
This tutorial video helped me and made me want to play more. Keep it up man great stuffđ
Ar12 his ass always yelling bout sum
Dude what an amazing video, you are really great at explaining things
"Dont drift"
Me who always drifts: *pain*
Rain without the \
S ame
great video, I hope you do post a part 2
Hoki Hoshi is the ultimate driving game tutor. Thanks a lot for being here, Hoki.
Why hello
Thank you!! Iâm a not-so-good Forza driver and Iâm really looking forward to trying your techniques
Great content! Thanks man.
You deserve more views dude!
Dude, I dont know how to thank you enough with this techniques, With this I was able to defeat pro, before I was like having hard time smashing Highly Skilled. Thanks man!
This should be a mandatory video to watch for all racing games.
All of this is super important if you want to play sim racers like Assetto Corsa or I-Racing.
Could you do a defense/offense rule in racing games? I feel like it could be a very good video for people who donât understand it! Great video!
'good breaking always starts before turning point' *cries above keyboard as S is full braking and you slide everywhere*
I'm using an 8bitdo controller and the triggers aren't analogue so I have the same problem as you :(
Just buy an aftermarket Xbox 360 wired controller for Windows, they aren't that expensive and they are an incredibly necessary purchase for PC gaming as most games are optimised for X360 input
I never understood how someone could even enjoy a race with a keyboard, seems like it would be very annoying
Bro your vids are golden. Iâve been playing forza horizon 4 ever since it came out and when I started out I was all over the place and in automatic constantly. Now I can get 1st-3rd in most online lobbies and recently got in the top 1.6 percent of a drift challenge thanks to your great videos, keep it up!
So what do you use manual or automatic?
J - Panio Plays always manual. You have much more control over the car.
@@skimz2012 thanks
Rivals was my breakthrough in horizon 3. biggest help to my driving in the game.
Glad I discovered you before FH5.
I just spent $3k on a driving rig and while I've already improved significantly over the last 2 weeks through practice, I'll be studying your videos like a lesson plan going forward.
Fantastic work.
Y'know, I play Gran Turismo, not Forza, but this is still super informative. Maybe i have to try out Forza Horrizon after all.
Thanks man, just the video I was looking for!
Learned more than I expected. Thanks for the good shit and looking forward to part 2!
I've played from horizon 1 but im still watching this and i don't know why
THANK YOU SO MUCH. MAKE PART 2
Thanks for making this! I've been looking to get better at racing since I've recently gotten a wheel and pedals.
Really nice video! I'll try all your advices to improve my driving videos! Thanks a lot!
Saw this on reddit, Nice video
Old man noob here and I really appreciate the tips. If you go in depth more can you explain the controller actions in just a bit more detail.
which actions?
@@Uncle_Glock Was thinking a bit about acceleration and braking. I struggle with the buttons a bit. I tend to go full on or off which is not most effective. Also gearing is my next thing to learn. Im just using auto and hope to go to shifting soon.
@@dgs127 are u using controller or keyboard?
@@Uncle_Glock controller
@@dgs127 since you struggle with accel and braking (which uses the triggers), you should practise enough to know how much you have to depress the trigger according to your car. going slow for a start is really helpful, its forgiving because low powered cars dont spin out as often but that doesnt mean you dont control the braking or accel strength of the car.
i use the wheel and pedals, and from my exp its all about holding back on your input right at the moment you feel the car is starting to slip, at that point u can still save it and prevent it from oversteering.
braking is actually the hardest to master, with sport/race brakes and sport tires/race tires, your braking strength can go up to 92%. accurately hitting this value on the first depress of your trigger will be achieved thru muscle memory! so practise.
tl:dr practise on a slow car. for accel, never start on full depress.
for braking, aim to depress to 90% of your trigger without needing to find out where that 90% is.
im not sure if controller is calibrated the same as pedals, but basically 90% represents the pressure at which your wheels won't lock but you're braking hard.
I use a wheel and pedal setup and never realised how much I actually use trail breaking and a good amount of these techniques especially when I'm in a car I'm confident with very helpful video
What an actual god, love the content man ... Thanks
I still suck but after watching your videos, I suck way less. Thank you!
BA HET hope you continue to improve man!
âAnd finally, donât drift. You want to be using as much grip as possible through a corner but not exceeding itâ
Ken block: hold my beer
Drift = gz with last place in race.
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He only wins because he doesnât race anyone
That's why he was always in the last positions when he tried WRC; all the best rally drivers are very smooth.
I can see an exception when driving some cars in dirt tracks :P
Thank... you... this improved my driving instantly no cap
I went from gran turismo to forza and the shift in other players driving skill is crazy, yall need more of these videos đđ
Your 1 dislike is from a butthurt troll.
You are amazing, please please keep this up. Your CZcams fam is always thirsty!
I like to think my dislikes are just innocent misclicks đ
Could also be professional rammers who get 1st every race and doesnât believe a word in the video. Very good explanation on a somewhat nuanced topic, maybe this will help keep turn 1 a little safer in the future
Idk probably just frustrated people looking for answers in the wrong place. The majority of these videos reference in depth procedures fromnother videos of his. You either get it or you dont and when you dont get it you dislike the video because youre upset. And anyone who thinks thats unreasonable could offer constructive criticism but generally default to: lol git gud
Plus theres the manual with clutch gang apparently
nope its because he said dont drift
drift can be good tho in very narrow roads but it has a risk +(how you drift)
he needs more attention tho (and more subs)
omg I was just in a ranked drift adventure with you yesterday and I had no idea you were a youtuber
This helped me with some stuff I didnât realize I was doing
As someone who got into Forza for the first time by getting 4 on a sale a week ago, your videos are immensely helpful! I'm looking forward to playing the shit out of this game and getting onto 5 once I feel ready.
people have said 4 is the worst one of the bunch. id get 5 and play that so it doesnt affect the forza experience
hundredth like is from me, yo man! ;)
Him : Giving realistic advices while being nice to people
Isad (Isuckatdriving) : I'm gonna end this man's whole carrer
Started playing this after seeing Forza youtube videos after playing nfs heat and I keep spinning out but thos video has helped quite a bit chuckled when you said some people just want to go fast as that is me so far.
I started playing forza few days ago and this guide helps me a lot, i beat x-999 car with my bmw s1-798 only by cuting corners.
Thank u for the tips, really helpful. I use a controller with ABS off and Manual (sometimes Manual with Clutch, especially in Drag race and Drifting). Fun fact, for Steering, I found that simulation steering can help me achieve a Faster lap time and I generally feel more Comfortable and it gives me more Control on the car, especially when i do race on Tarmac. However, in Drifting i have to switch to Normal steering to achieve a higher score. This Steering setup works the best for me. Still looking for an Explanation why this happens on me.
Im abs off normal steering when racing(as I often try to over compensate when I get oversteer) and simulated steering when drifting. Im still getting used to it but ive already gotten into the top 3% in a few drift zones
Sim steering takes out the assisted aspect of normal steering, giving you full control of how you turn. It.. also can cause you to spin out easily if you flick.
My tip is donât go to far in and hit that curb
All good advice for any Forza game. Thank you.
The humble Zen Master Hoki strikes again. I wish you were my math teacher when i was in school.