Do The FNAF Books SOLVE The Mimic?! | FNAF Theory
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- The Lorkboard grows stronger. Tales from the Pizzaplex is a polarizing FNAF book series. I feel like more than any other FNAF books, people are really split on if these stories take place in the FNAF game timeline or not. However, regardless of which side of the debate you're on, there's still useful lore in these books. ESPECIALLY About the mimic. So we really need to talk about them
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Timestamps:
00:00 Preheating the Oven
00:25 Are the Tales From The Pizzaplex books canon?
01:17 What does "The Mimic" tell us about the mimic?
04:25 What does "The Storyteller" tell us about Glitchtrap?
10:14 What does "The Monty Within" tell us about Glitchtrap?
12:22 What does "Tiger Rock" tell us about Glitchtrap?
13:57 What do the Epilogues of TFTPP tell us about the mimic?
19:10 Letting it cool
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#fnaf #fivenightsatfreddys #fnafsecuritybreach - Hry
Everybody always asks “What is the mimic?”
But nobody ever asks “How is the mimic?”
If we’d seen the signs, we could have prevented the tragedies caused by the mimic
He just needed somebody to talk to, that’s it. Tearing people apart and hanging them on hooks were just a coping method.
Why is the mimic?
@@myworstnightmare506 i think we should instead try to figure out *who* is the mimic instead of asking what it is like it's some kind of robot
@@mischevous719 but i asked why he is not who he is
@@myworstnightmare506 exaclty that's what i mean
The fact that the mimic can’t distinguish humans from endos, and fnaf 1 has the exact same problem with its animatronics is real interesting
Sure fnaf 1 has them stuffing endos into suits instead of taking them apart, but same gist
I feel like that would mean their recognition technology is about the same in advancement, putting the mimic around the mid 80s in construction
HW2 seems to show that the Mimic might have been around as far back as Fazbear's origins. This could then make it possible for it to have been the initial blueprint for the rest of the animatronics that came after.
Except that was never a thing in FNAF1. That was just company mandated bullshit that Phone Guy tells us to avoid addressing the ghosts. FazEnt knows about the hauntings, but they’re assholes, and don’t want it to mess up their business.
And that is why Bonnie can show up on the backstage camera, right next to a naked endo, and he doesn’t give a damn. lmao They don’t stuff endos. They just want the guard dead.
@@damkylan3 Why can't it be a bit of both? True, they were haunted by ghosts who did actually want to kill the night guard. But, whose to say the way they inevitably go about killing him isn't at least somewhat effected by the preprogrammed limitations of the animatronics themselves? We see this might be the case throughout practically the entire franchise, especially within the games. Otherwise, it wouldn't make sense for the robots to care about things such as flashing lights in their eyes or being easily distracted by simple sound cues, etc.. This tells us that despite having their own objective, the ghosts still have to go by most of the rules of the animatronics' coding. They just try their best to manipulate it to their advantage.
@@resdent2922 Because that tidbit from Phone Guy never made any logical sense to begin with. The idea that an endo not having a costume after hours is “against the rules” is nonsensical. Because it’s meant to be a lie. And again, this is why the bare endos in the back don’t ever get touched. Or rather, if there was any truth to this, every endo would be in a suit to begin with.
Also, this “rule” was repeated briefly in FNAF2 in relation to the animatronics not having “a proper night mode” and thus they also wander at night. Except we know that’s false because of the Save Them mini game, where the Toys do not leave the stage at night prior to their haunting. So i don’t think we have any reason to believe the “free roaming mode” thing in FNAF1 either.
And yes, I know Mangle moves around in Save Them, much to my annoyance. lol I’m choosing to interpret that as it being busted from all the abuse and not working right. Especially since it doesn’t wander like PG says, just kinda crawls back and forth.
You’re not wrong about the many instances where programming overrides their will. Always been a thing. But this ain’t one of them. There’s too many things going against it, and Phone Guy is not meant to be a trusted source.
The reason why the Tiger Rock head causes Edwin to freak out is because David had a tiger stuffy (Or plush) therefore he suddenly has all those memories flooding back to him.
I think he writes "im Sorry" because he realaised the Monster he created
But why is the Mimic1 programming in a tiger animatronic head? We don’t know where that head came from!
@@TheCollector2401 he just likes them
@@TheCollector2401 thats a misunderstanding of the head itself.
The tiger head not only isn't an animatronic at all, its an enormous decorative bust with some blinky lights in it. It also does not "Come from" anything.
Earlier in the story we see the Board members talking about making the storyteller choose what it wants to look like, and they eventually did. The Tiger head is what the Storyteller asked to be and they created a custom form for it, just like they said they would.
@@Skibbutz ohhh I see. Thanks for the clarification
I always thought the anamatronic's personality quirks in Security Breach were a consequence of them all having personalities that were fundamentally incompatible with their natures. Chica loves to eat but she's a machine and literally can't without it physically damaging her. Monty always wants to look out for #1, but he's delegated to being Freddy's #2. Roxy cares about her appearance and other's perception of her, but she can't better herself because brand recognition requires she always looks the same.
Cool take
And Freddy is Freddy
@@__Soya__ yea. I think before the “reboot” on stage he was probably in the same boat
I think their alter egos are them mimicking what they see children do during the day, with the Mimic1 program being uploaded into their code.
i always assumed that all the security breach band members were based on michael and his gang of friends from childhood brain mapped onto endoskeletons.
I think being in safe mode gives the animatronics that grandma vibe Glam Freddy has during security breach, since Roxy and Eclipse act very similar, and the recordings of the Freddy character in the elevator is more energetic than he is in game
I've always assumed Safe Mode is supposed to be as kind and nurturing as possible because Safe Mode is probably activated if they are alone with a crying child or with an engineer.
It'd be easier to just make the animatronics super relaxed and helpful to get them into position rather than having to move a big metal body around.
If Safe Mode also activates when alone with a child, it could be a way of making sure the child will be OK as much as an animatronic could help with that.
But this is just my take :)
@@JDM-is-my-name Safe mode, particularly in programming or with Windows devices, is a mode where the device runs only its operating system, with no outside input - and if glitchtrap is in the PizzaPlex systems, booting into safe mode means the animatronics are free of that influence.
I thought it was because the CC was possessing Glamrock Freddy
Since Freddy calls the blob his friends and fully upgraded he looks like Nightmare Fredbear
Hmmm thinking about how David died via car accident, it actually makes me wonder why there aren't more (any?) haunted cars in FNAF. Terrible death + metal = haunted, thems the rules. A lot of kids are attached to cars too, so if there needs to be an emotional connection to the metal object, that's covered too.
Just FNAFy things.
I think it would make sense that they'd have some sort of attachment to the object they end up possesing, the children posses the animatronics cause they were all kids who liked freddy's, charlie to the puppet cause Henry made it for her, afton to his suit cause killer gonna kill, could be the reason why michaels soul didn;t attach to ennard, would explain why being plowed by an automovile wouldn't attach you to the car, you'll most likely die or get in shock before properly realizing what just hit you, and form an emotion on it.
This is honestly why I like a lot of Frights and Tales, they show that it's not just aninatronics that can be haunted/paranormal. A ball pit, a Kids at Play sign, a science kit, VR games, they can all be just as freaky as the robots! I kinda wish they leaned harder into it, I'm still surprised we haven't got a true haunted house yet!
@@speedslider3913 they did horror nights at universal, didn't they?
@@jpreyes6640okay but a lot of kids do really love cars, and will obsess about a type of car, like red cars for example. You'd think somewhere somehow, a kid would be in love with the neighbor's yellow jeep, accidentally die in/around the jeep, and haunt that jeep.
What I'm saying is where are the FNAF Christine's?? The people need to know
So basically it'll be like the haunted car story from goosebumps series 2000 and Christine where a cars gains consciousness from a ghost and stalks the owner of the vehicle
18:30 Rye, the Mimic, is still following its programmed orders in The Mimic story. As seen with David, the Mimic01 program observes and mimics whatever it sees. However, this time, it's Edwin who's being mimicked. Putting food in the fridge and hanging clothes in the closet would have been things Edwin would have done, and what was the last thing the Mimic saw Edwin do? VIOLENTLY BEATING IT, The Mimic is seemingly fueled by "agony and violence" as a result of it trying to be a guy who did a “violent act” while in agony.
based ryetoast for putting "Dear David, I am sorry that man is your father"
The thing about Tiger Rock and The Monty Within is that they show that there can be multiple versions of the mimic1 program, or branches if you will. It's entirely possible for multiple version of the same program to be put into the same location, especially if there are different motivations for each one. The original mimic1 in the tiger head for greed, and the Glitchtrap branch for the idea of that branch trying to be like Afton.
Agreed. I personally believe that Mimic1 was the “proprietary Fazbear tech” from HW1 that scanned in some of Afton’s hardware and became infected by Agony. This would create a blend of Afton and Mimic1- leading to the organic fleshy, supernatural nature of Burntrap. Once Vanny destroys Glitchtrap in HW2 we are left behind with “Helptrap” which we saw in Ruin. The only reason I believe that Helptrap isn’t a separate entity from Glitchtrap is because of his notable feature of purple veins like Burntrap.
I hope tiger rock is a real animatronic in the future because he's design is cool AND I HOPE TO GOD THEY MAKE AN AMUSEMENT PARK LOCATION FREDBEARS AMUSEMENT PARK
Tiger rocl is a digital mimic1 programme so he's not a real animatronic but i wanna see him too so bad
they had no right to make that elvis presley white tiger go that hard ToT now i wanna see it as an animatronic too
🥱🥱 Lame. In my franchise, it's an Alternate universe where Fnaf never existed, Scott Cawthon killed his family and friends in my franchise and that's the mystery.
This franchise is so bad, the lore is so boring, the animatronics are lame. Scott Cawthon writes bad and lame stories and then retcons everything. ITS JUST BAD STORY TELLING!!!! Scott Cawthon makes games, stories and has someone make movies, Scott Cawthon makes people's lives miserable and doesn't care who he hurts, he's sexist towards Women and people of his own gender. Making games about killing kids, his own family, people around him. He's a psychopath and a master manipulator. It pisses me off that Scott Cawthon does this and yet nobody cares, the fan/FANVERSE COMMUNITY praises a psychopath and a master manipulator. 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 I'm so glad that my franchise doesn't have that crazy shit. 😂😂
A Freddy’s Amusement Park would be horrible in the death apartment 💀
I think freight fest is a haunted mansion like theme parks like the other Halloween festival that happen at six flags and stuff
I just realized something...
The mimic is following its orders in ripping off the limbs of the animatronics but instead it sees humans as animatronicas as well, it confuses hummans for an animatronic... why does that sound so fami-
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
In the first game, phone guy talks about the animatronics possibly mistaking you for an endoskeleton without its suit on! Maybe it was an idea that was taking from there and used for the mimic, but let me posit this... could the mimic one program have been there as the program that controlled the animatronics back then? like during the day, the animatronics would follow the mimic one program, and by night, the souls of the kids take over? just something I though about.
Hope you have a nice day!
In support of glitchtrap forcing Jeremy into the guillotine paper slicer, the emails also mention that "Vanessa" is purchasing finger torture devices from the internet, presumably while under Glitchtrap's control, and mailing "herself" threats.
I’d say Storyteller can still happen. Mimic1 spreads through the systems, then Glitchtrap spreads from AR. Glitchtrap is a branch of Mimic1 but acts like a separate entity. In fact, GGY connects to the retro CDs which call back to AR, showing that both the Storyteller and Glitchtrap infecting the pizzaplex co-exist.
Oh Yeah, H.E.L.P.I and the mimic do bicker about the security system. I'd say they're at odds with each other, for example, the security system seems connected to glitchtrap with it being able to summon Glitchtrap infected animatronics, but the mimic actively helps Cassie to avoid them
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The MXES system alerts animatronics as a last line of defense. The MXES is implied to be set up by Gregory and Vanessa after escaping from the mimic's control.
Helpi & The mimic are split with one being the physical program and the digital program that spread through the VR games. Never once do they contradict each other.
14:44 Reasonable though it might be, "rabbit ears" might just be an assumption. According to others who obsess over these books, the story itself just says it has wires or antennas "like ears". They could be shorter or shaped differently from rabbit ears.
"looks like the band will need a new guitarist"
The only guitarist at that point in the timeline was Bonnie. They're rabbit ears.
@@at_witts_end3470 Bonnie wasn't even a guitarist, he was a bassist.
16:42 for a second your cat’s tail looked like a tentacle (like the blob kind from sb) and you were being got and not mentioning it. Then I saw it had a face and was just the cutest cat in the world. Great vid 10/10 would recommend
I want to point out that what Edwin does to Mimic, Henry from the books does exactly to one of the Charlie bots, or something along those lines. I notified similarities between every universe, which is cool. *A side theory* : The mimic is stuck with circus mascot costumes, meaning he was most likely built in the early fnaf timeline and shut behind the wall after the fall fest fire, I wonder what Mimic did to make whoever put him behind there so angry.
ANOTHER edit lol:
*As a person who believes afton is still around, there’s some things that make the mimic being completely glitchtrap off and not feel right* :
How does Glitchtrap have memories from Ultimate Custom Night, and personal things like a court case shown in Security Breach SB tapes, I could be totally wrong but those are both things that Afton only experienced unless the mimic was somehow IN UCN and IN the courtroom lol?? And even in the movie Scott and Universal, Blumhouse made a direct reference to Vanessa and Glitchtraps dynamic, with making her do his bidding and stuff, and the whole father memories thing. Idk, I think it’s both afton and mimic.
Since when did glitchtrap have memories of ultimate custom night?
Glitchtrap doesn't have memories of UCN, what are you talking about??
Not only does glitchtrap (the mimic) infect people to control them, but it also learns from the victim (The mimic begins speaking Hawaiian after infecting a kid's brain in tales). UCN is implied to exist in-universe as a game as again tales mentions voicelines playing on loudspeakers from Nightmare BB.
Afton is burnt and rotten in hell and the mimic can be explained by the books.
@@lmaobox4068i whis Mimic woud be explained in games just cuz he apeared in the real world Like in one game and thats it
@@andreix4025
I never got why players are fine with watching hours of gameplay but can't sit down to read a free book summary online for genuinely 5 minutes
I bought every Frights book for $20
It’s very important to mention the reason Edwin Murray has tiger rock PTSD is because the plush David carried as a child (and the plush the Mimic simultaneously recreated) was a white tiger. Because they lived in a dingy warehouse, Edwin also built a white tiger head and attached it over David’s bed if I remember correctly, so the Mimic1 program still remembers its original mimicking of David, even after decades of time and so much new information added to it.
1st, I love this video
2nd, about The Storyteller. That's not how Glitchtrap gets plugged into the Pizzaplex's systems, that's how the Mimic1 program gets installed into the Pizzaplex's systems. Glitchtrap is a "branch" od the Mimic1 program used in FNAF VR. The Storyteller is the same program used for a different purpose. It's the same program, but it's not Glitchtrap. Glitchtrap is still trapped in the VR game or in the Funtime Service. The Storyteller is its own thing.
Besides, i don't think it was Vanessa the one to plug Glitchtrap into the Pizzaplex. It was most likely GGY. As heard in the therapy sessions, it was GGY/Patient 46 the one that hacked into the animatronics and the Pizzaplex's systems; and made Glitchtrap as "powerful" as he is. It's said that "the glitch" was traced back to Patient 46. Which is exactly what we see happening in GGY, they implement new codes in the animatronics, control them, and hack into several Pizzaplex's machinery.
3rd, i love this video (And the inconspicuous Edwin criticism)
To be honest, the books seem like they have this vibe of “the names and specifics have been changed to protect the innocent.” The stories seem like they represent things from the game but with the circumstances changed
"chat, lorkboard is short for lore corkboard btw, i'm using slang" /ref
We all assume all the animattonics turn their personalities into vices. What if Freddys was just being super helpful to a kid. He doesnt question Gregory further, and whatever Gregory wants to do or go, Freddy abliged
I feel like it's entirely possible that Tape Girl is already dead before her instructions flip! After all, when Glitchtrap is near, we hear the Tape Girl's voice, just slowed down and all that. If Glitchtrap is meant to be the virtual embodiment of this Mimic program, I feel that it's entirely possible Glitchtrap was simply mimicking Tape Girl, but saying new things. We see the Ruin Mimic do the same thing with Gregory's voice, after all!
this is interesting
More reasons why I hate steel wool
Mimic is a Quint-Element Natural Monster that is found exclusively on Fire Oasis. It was added alongside Epic Spurrit, Epic Phangler, and Wubbox on Fire Oasis on May 15th, 2024, during version 4.3.0.
Msm is my Homestuck. How could you do this to me
@@voilet-the-non-violet-vulpix hehe
17:09 The Mimic can self repair, that's something that's talked about in one of the books
If you keep watching you would know he mentions that
personally i think writing a story about a mimic and having a story about another thing called the mimic and having them be COMPLETELY DISTINCT AND UNRELATED is just a really bad idea for writing. it could just be a simple "heres how this random thing came about, he's important to the games now"
I'm playing fnaf 6 right now. Beating the game without salvaging.
Interesting choice for a first ending, but valid nonetheless
Have fun my friend
Good luck!
I got it in like 45 mins
5:52 just imagine Cvnty Freddy 😭
Things I wanna say.
1. If they ever put Tiger rock in the games a cool idea I had is what if they make a fnaf game where we play as someone who’s caught in a conflict between glitchtrap with his cult like army and Tiger-rock who are both trying to take over the pizzaplex and we have to find a way to escape before one of the 2 catch us.
2. In the mimic story Edwin signs his company to a fazbear executive named Grant starling, if the tales books are canon to the games maybe the reason fazbear is still running despite Henry disappearing and William geting trapped in a room for 30 years is because Grant is running the business.
3. I think it’s possibly that there are more variants of the mimic out there.
What if the MXES system we see in the basement is our tree. The MXES system is shown to interact with every animatronic in the pizzaplex, so if you uploaded a mimic feature that would intensify their negative features then it would very easily be able to spread and bypass the security features, because it's a part of the security features, like viruses infecting immune cells, the virus gets ignored because the immune cells aren't meant to get infected, just how the mimic virus would be able to bypass the security system, because it's looking for threats outside of itself.
My idea is that the motherboard with the mimic virus on it was uploaded into the VR game and hooked onto information that would further it's violent agenda, the information about William Afton. From there it hooks it's way into the heads of people that it can use. From there it is delivered into the V.A.N.N.Y network and begins to breakdown the security nodes getting the attention of the MXES system, the mimic virus now infects the MXES system and furthers its influence to the rest of the pizzaplex, acting like a parasite that lives on the violence it spreads to others.
It will see the human employees as a threat as they are not as easy to infect as the robots and kills them all, replacing them with much more controllable security bots. Leaving Vanessa alone because it knows it can control her, so any human jobs or maintenance won't threaten it. I'm not to sure about Sun, maybe he literally doesn't have any coding that could lead to violence, but if the Freddy in the first game was a prototype it would explain why he hadn't been infected if the other Freddy acted like a spoiled diva. Roxy's self-absorbed attitude, Monty's aggression and Chica's gluttony can all be excused as quirks of the character by Fazbear Ent, but Freddy stealing from children would be a huge no-no, because why buy merch if it's just going to be taken from them. Sure there's the camera's but that's just one item not basically any merch. So they quickly shut this Freddy down and put in proto-freddy temporarily until the original freddy is "fixed".
But anyways, It would also explain why the MXES system is a rabbit, it's influenced by the mimic virus. And just one final thing on burntrap, I'm kinda thinking that the mimic was burntrap, William Afton is dead-dead, but the endoskeleton of the animatronic may still be in the basement and it uses it as a new body. Why not use one of the new exoskeletons? My first theory, is that each of them has a blank AI installed that would interfere with the mimic's ability to do what it wants, my second theory is some sort of twisted admiration, it admires the violence that William performed and wants to become like him.
This would put an entirely different context to the burntrap ending in security breach. It's not William Afton coming back for good ol' round 216, it's the mimic, in the body of the man it admires most, desperately trying to kill and control the parts that have gotten loose. The mimic doesn't have control over this proto-freddy and doesn't want Gregory to live as a witness to its existance so it tries to kill two birds with one stone, get control of this freddy and murder Gregory.
If this is true it's another easy explanation as to why this endoskeleton looks so different in ruin, compared to in the books. It's a completely different endoskeleton, and as for the difference between it in security breach and ruin, my guess is it probably got enough of a rebuild from Vanessa before she escaped to continue rebuilding itself.
Anyways that's just my idea, thought it was interesting!
I like to think that glitchtrap is like a mixture of William and the mimic 01 program. The mimic program scans a circuit born from scraptrap that contains a peice of William like molten mci, which somehow revives him in a digital state. Like how we thought before, but with the mimic added. And then Vanessa plugged Glitchtrap into the storyteller that then spreads across the pizzaplex
I LOVE how the cat seems to pay attention as if he liked the FNAF LORE
Your channel is the only background noise / FNAF channel in general that brings me joy
What if The Mimic from Ruin and Burntrap are two different mimics? because there's multiple mimics in the books, right? Maybe Burntrap is Glitchtrap, or at least a part of Glitchtrap (cause HW2) given physical form, and The Mimic from Ruin is more like The Mimic from the books. This is just a random theory I made up on the spot, btw.
Also, are the Tales books good? They sound VERY brutal, and I like brutal! Just wondering.
@@SmolChild1173 They are much better than Frights at least. There are some outsider stories, but generally the stories fit together very cleanly, maintaining a consistent (somewhat consistent) timeline. And yes, it does get VERY brutal at times lol
There isnt multiple mimics, at least not bodies. The program is called mimic 01 but we dont know if there is a 2
@@leonardobrasiliense414 Oh, but aren't the endos in the basement basically mimics? sorry if I'm misunderstanding, I didn't read the books
@@SmolChild1173 well theyre the Glamrock endos, the way they learn definitely makes me think theyre running mimic software, but theyre just mass produced in the future by fazbear entertainment, not built in the same time as the original endo, and they dont look anything like it or burntrap
Been a while since I've watched one of your vids, and I just wanna say that I absolutely LOVE the background!
That mimic freak
i think kai did make it out of the machine at the end of the story as its shown to happen in Nexie, i think what happened is simmilar to what happened to cassie with the AR mask changing what you percieve to be real life as well the way barriers in the real world for cassie vanish in the AR world. so kai goes home and then the mimic_1 program that has now been implanted in his mind makes the mimic appear for him
A week is too far away for the next video 😭🩷 but seriously, you’re killing it with these series!🙏🏻
The idea of glamrock freddy having a temper tantrum is so cute to me wth, he is the most tamed even with the supercomputer active
Baobab trees have another meaning, they are “spirit trees”. It was a tradition in Africa, you would tie a ribbon or string around the trunk of the tree, fill a pouch with leaves and pieces of bark from the tree and tuck the pouch into your shirt/dress. Your spirit would stay with the tree when you died. It’s said that you could live on after death if you put your spirit in the tree.
1:39 Did they just drop a meet the grahams reference? 😭
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Don’t forget it was mentioned that help-wanted is canon to the tales of the pizza Plex
Cool video, slight issue:
We know from the retro CDs that Gregory/patient 46 was the one who put Glitchtrap into the systems, NOT Vanessa, the AR emails are about Glitchtrap being put into the delivery service not the Pizzaplex. GGY shows this as well. The Storyteller isn't Glitchtrap, but rather just base Mimic1. Also, The Storyteller takes place a while before GGY
It’s interesting that the mimic just following commands is the same reasoning the phone guy gives us in the early fnaf games as to why the original animatronics were stuffing people into suits. They see the security guards as endoskeletons outside of their suits and just automatically stuff them inside~ :3
One of the interesting parts of the tales books is we have both the storyteller AND GGY. Each of them have influenced the animatronics (Storyteller cranking up their personalities, but they have also been hacked into by GGY. So even without Vanessa, we have two instances of tampering.
It’s one of the reasons that I always end up back on the branching Mimic idea. It’s a computer program. Every time you copy it, if you don’t delete the original, you now have two programs that are able to learn, and they are going to be learning different things. And if they aren’t in constant or at least routine connection to one another, they can’t reconcile and combine their data to become whole again.
So, I think the Storyteller is distinct from Glitchtrap. Storyteller might predate Glitchtrap (I.e. it might have created glitch trap as part of its ‘mandate’ of creating new stories.) Part of the ‘stories’ of Fazbear Ent is all the murder stuff. They not only had games but also the role play area. So an AI tasked with creating new stories, given all the information, would try to create a ‘new’ purple guy, to make sure he does come back, like he always does.
The storyteller is kind of a puppet master that creates other AI to play out these stories. It creates Glitchtrap, and either creates Vanny, or Glitchtrap is able to do that himself. Same with GGY. Every human that gets uploaded with an AI would have a different one, especially since a brain can’t really be networked the way computers are. Each AI will be on its own, except for external forces (which is why Vanny ‘talks’ to Glitchtrap).
The storyteller being a proto-Glitchtrap could explain things like the whole Monty/Bonnie thing. We see an older model of Chica, and upping Monty’s aggression could be why he went out and took out Bonnie. The storyteller was just telling stories. Jealousy, murder, mystery, unchecked ambition. It was trying to do some Shakespearean tragedy in the pizzaplex.
Eventually GGY and Vanny bring Glitchtrap in to try and ‘tell’ the story of Burntrap. And the storyteller might have made some tweaks to keep the story interesting. What if Vanny was possessive of Glitchtrap? What if she was so threatened by the wizard’s favorite apprentice she found a way to break him out of GGY’s control so she would be the only partner?
In D&D terms, Storyteller is the Dungeon Master while Vanny, GGY, Mimic, Helpi, etc are all the various NPCs and Glitchtrap is the BBEG, at least in Security Breach.
It sort of gets meta, in that FNAF as a franchise is a bit like the Storyteller. It needs to keep finding ways to tell new stories using these familiar characters and themes. Like Afton, it keeps coming back, no matter how many ‘final chapters’.
It could obviously go too far. Not sure people want to play ‘Oops all Mimics’ where every character, hero and villain, is just variants of the Mimic fighting itself at the behest of a more powerful variant. But I do think one of the ways to figure out the Mimic is to realize the implications of a sentient computer program. Like Vision in WandaVision, or Jean Grey/Madelynn Pryor in X-men ‘98, when something is duplicated or cloned, and both continue on leading new lives, are they the same individual? Which is the real one?
First of all, i wanted to say that yea i haven't read the books.
With that said, and only judging from the scraps of the interesting information about the mimic related stories... I thought that the role of Edwin Murray in the story was more suitable to Afton himself. I don't know, i like to see this in another perspective.
Edwin Murray
Afton William
It has some similarities in the name. In the story, it has also some similarities with Afton. The story with the animatronic being made to take care of their child and then their child having an accident, and him thrashing the animatronic out, reminding myself of what happened to Afton kid with baby and then the description of Mimic being a bit similar to Afton robotics designs... Then we have people from Fazbear going into the place just to fix the Mimic and die there, like the technicians in Sister Location.
Then we have the other story where Mr. Burrows would be Henry, trapping Afton inside for once and having a way to escape but not going after, just giving up, as if he done what he should do. The Storyteller could be just a different way to show the Punishment Afton is going on in UCN.
I think it suits more Afton as well because this way it would make it easier to connect the Mimic and Glitchtrap, since they're already connected somehow. Just a random thought of mine..
The thing is, Edwin is almost a direct parallel to Henry... from the novel trilogy, which is where people get confused. For some reason, Scott decided to parallel Edwin with the NOVEL TRILOGY Henry for some reason. So Edwin does not parallel Game Henry, he seems to parallel Henry from the novel trilogy.
Also, Edwin being a parallel of Afton would not make much sense, as William Afton is mentioned by name in a later Tales story. It wouldn't make much sense for us to have William Afton and also a parallel of William named Edwin in the same book series.
His old theories he only uses info from the games and in the new theories he only uses info from the books what a long way we’ve come 😭
I never thought i would see Freddy try to steal a toy from a kids hand, then throw a fir about when he doesn't get his way
15:23 when I hear this story, I always think about the FNAF 1 phone call where phone guy says “they would likely see you as a naked endoskeleton without its costume on”. Why does the mimic share that same trait? Am I to assume that ALL of the animatronics from ALL of the games kill us for that motive?
It’s never mentioned specifically after the first game, maybe there is a connection…
Things I think.
1. In the storyteller Mr burrows tries to escape the storyteller tree but nothing seems to work even though he has a hand scanner thing that should let him enter and exit, perhaps the reason is because the tiger rock head is haunted, and perhaps it’s possessed by the ghost of Edwin’s son David since he used to have a white tiger plush.
2. I think the mimic we see in ruin is the og mimic from the story the mimic, and burntrap is the mimic endoskeleton he read about in the tales epilogues that glitchtrap uses as a animatronic body, also if the tales books are canon rather than being Williams body I think it’s possible for the dead remains to belong to a kid named Luca from the story pressure.
3. I think it’s possible that the mimic could lead to the fnaf universe equivalent of the technological singularity theory.
8:57 but the tiger head isn't a stand-in for Glitchtrap; it's a stand-in for Charlie or more specifically, evil Charlie/Nightmarionne. It's not supposed to be about William Afton, but about a kid who through no fault of their own lost their lives (getting ran over/being murdered by William).
And some more details of security breach, the characters in the location mentioned
Since the new story is the inverse of classic fnaf (instead of children/people who become robots, we have robots who become children/people) then I’d assume this hinges on that overlap point - “charlie” and the mysteriously never mentioned again “sammy” as twins, where in edwin’s story mirror it’s revealed as one being the robot mimic of the dead other. One of the children dies in a “car accident” - charlie dying to william in the minigame where we see him pull up in the car. So since charlie is real, and the mimic is found in the pizzaplex built over the fake restaurant henry was last seen in, the mimic should be “sammy” and thus conceivably, if not definitively, argued to be in the game given the presence of charlie. And to go one further - we never knew who henry’s ad was for - michael picks it up but henry says it wasn’t meant for him so who was it for. Well, maybe henry meant to draw back the mimic. (Be he aware he’d accidentally created a mechanical murderer ala afton or not). Both edwin-henry and burrows-afton both die of suffocation as fire often does, only the mechanicals now controlled by the mimic remain.
I love the Pizzaplex and Frights books so I’m always happy when they’re discussed in a video!
The way I see the books is that they are sure canon but in a bit of a parallel timeline, it takes place in the same world building but they exist to expand on its rules and show us what is possible within the fnaf universe, for example it tells us robot people are possible, that agony is away of possession without the need for a soul, and it expands on what remnant is and how it works by showing us different scenarios that can't be shown in the game because there isn't a place for it within the storyline or that may be shown in the future just in a different way (maybe a character is a robot but we don't know, things like that) because you can find many parallels between in game situations and book stories but that add a little more detail or maybe an explanation through this new character
To me the story teller never was a explanation for glitch trap literally but more like a parallel to the corporate greed of wanting fast content ending up in bad scenarios, Mr burrows wanted fast content without much work so they get the storyteller while the owner of the pizzaplex wants more games and content they can launch and wants it fast not really caring much for the quality, I think that is the parallel there, however and where glitch trap comes is in what it creates: a digital entity with a physical representation that makes people go insane
However, and I know that there may not be many connections beyond this, the fact that Edward goes to the computer and out of it comes tiger rock kinda makes me think of tiger rock as mxes, maybe it's not just there to trap the mimic but also to create stories and is the reason the in game animatronics have these heightened personalities too and of course since Freddy is in safe mode we don't get to see him with his own vicious personality, you have envy as Freddy, gluttony as Chica, vanity as Roxy, and Monty is greed but maybe also wrath, and who knows, I think that maybe Bonnie could have been sloth before Monty got him
16:05 wait the fnaf 1 animatronics stuff people into suits cus they think humans are endo skeletons
Hey what’s the song from on time 14:50? I can’t place Whare it’s from and it’s gunna drive me insane
Honestly a tiger rock animatronic would be cool
that friggen monty story from the tales reminds me of those creepy stories of slenderman followers.
I feel like if they want to keep the mimic as a antagonist going forward they need to focus a lot of attention onto it for the future games. There is a lot of cool stuff here to work with, but none of it is in the actual games. A rogue AI that is just following its directive is really cool, but they haven't done much with it
I'd say no only because the games and the books have separate lore.
For example.. The fate of Afton.
In the books he survives, not through possessing an animatronic, just he LIVES through the springlocks going off. Through sheer force of will.
While in the games, he dies. Completely, heart punctured and everything.
Hence why the mimic and glitchtrap in the books were just based off of him instead.
Another difference...
The original owner of fredbear's was not Henry Emily in the games, period. *He would have been the new owner, with Afton. Hence his legal ability to make the Pizza Sim Location*
BUT an original owner was mentioned only once, by Phone Guy in FNAF 2.
Whom I believe we did see in Midnight Motorist, he was... Orange Guy.
Much like the books he built the mimic, but it was to compete with another Restaurant owned by Henry and Afton. Which I believe only had Bonnie and possibly the other two. No freddy.
Reason he built it was due to his diner only using cloth suits, no robots.
So he focused on building the most advanced robot, but in doing so neglected his son who would be killed by Afton either accidentally with his car... OR on purpose to force him to sell.
Orange guy later destroying the mimic, not realizing it survived and was slowly fixing itself.
Reason I say orange guy built the mimic..
Color. Color has always been a big thing in FNAF.
Purple for Afton, etc.
When the mimic controls Helpi the eyes glow Orange.
Wires out of the head and going down the back? Sounds like the VR training endoskeletons.
12:07 was that just a visual reference or are you a fallout fan, also long time no see
I was thinking about the ride in fnaf ruin with the story of monty. I think its just something they made so the kids stop asking about bonnie. So they made up this story that he "retired" and gave the guitar to Monty.
8:12-8:20 hah this disproves the books and maybe or maybe not but it kinda disproves mimic 1 not being the same thing as glitchtrap. finally happy for some confirmation for it.
Hey rye, can you talk about the poppy playtime orientation book? I think it might reveal who the player is
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i think prankster already does explain what happened with jeremy
Gregory plugs glitchtrap into the storyteller in GGY, not in the book "storyteller"
I love the copy pasted art board of the cork board lol
Anybody else making the connection of the mimic to the two robots Charlie makes in The Twisted Ones? Or the fact that in Ruin the endos can't see you when you have the V.A.N.N.I. mask on like the animatronics can't after Charlie rewires the earpiece that allowed her to interact with her endos?
Either Special Delivery means the Storyteller isn't in the game continuity OR Glitchtrap isn't Mimic1.
My wild guess is that the mimic we see in ruin is probably one of the more problematic mimics in a line if them made by fazbear ent. And layer in the series we're probably gonna see more mimics, good or bad and the big head honcho mimic that makes the orders and tells them all what to do
Also the barbarian, shelly, heavy and chicken didnt give the mimic a good *BUNDA* slapping
I think that the mimic from the books is a funtime animetronic think about it it's described as being covered in wires even from its eyes and it can regenerate parts of its body using other robotic parts just like Enered, Circus Baby and Molten Freddy
When I read tiger rock I made a connection to fnaf 4 and how the Fredbear plush is on flowers
So, Basically, another villain caused by a deadbeat of a father getting their kids killed.
Why the f**k is the best dad in the series a goddamn robot bear?
“Narcissist” is a term specific to people with NPD , Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and is not the same as being Egotistical, it’s both further stigmatising people with NPD and armchair diagnosing so maybe just stick to “egotistical” or “self centred” next time, loved the vid as always
yea that bothered me to :/ im usually very used to people using disorder names as adjectives based on the stereotypes about that disorder but ryetoast is usually awesome about being mindful in these subjects. im sure they didn't realize it isn't a term they should've used, so im glad you brought it up. hopefully they will see this comment and adjust their language :) npd is already a very stigmatized disorder, it's good to point it out to the people that might listen.
I've recently been reading the books myself and wow I really have noticed how pushy the community is on how definitively correct their theories are.
I went in assuming the books were canon but over time the more I read myself the more I started to doubt it.
They absolutely CAN be canon but there is no way that it can be considered definitively so, there's too many quirks across them all that just don't entirely make sense.
It's evidently clear imo that Scott intentionally meant for the book canonicity to be debated, and I really think everything in them should be taken with a grain of salt.
Overall, I actually think the community has confused me more than the actual series content itself. I'm thinking of stepping back from a lot of community spaces and sort things out on my own because I think things are just clearer that way and I get less bias problems that way.
It's also just more fun imo to work things out yourself.
I really regret taking so long to read these books myself lmao.
They are not separate continuities because Eleanor was mentioned and pizzeria simulator Is canon
0:06
"for those aren't unaware"
Not me focusing on the sonic music on that one part instead of the theory 💀
0:02 THE MIMIC!
What is the ost that plays at the start?
You forgot to tell us about the costume that the mimic wears can you make a video on it please
How many years have passed and Rye still can’t say “baobab” right 😂
could it be possible that the mimic learned that the head of these "endoskeletons" (which are humans) make the job of ripping off the limbs harder and the mimic is simply making an adaptation to the programming that allows it to efficiently immobilize the body by ramming the head into the wall before it gets to work on ripping the limbs off? after all you cant fulfill your programming if enough resistance is met that could result in damage to motor functions that would make it impossible for it to do its job. essentially what im asking is, could it be possible that its developing self preservation as an adaptation for long term efforts towards its singular task.
I think that the tales from the pizzaplex books are in continuity but they take place in seperaye pizzaplex's
the real crime the mimic commits is the Flanderization of the glamrocks once it takes over
When The Mimic picked up someone by the neck and threw them into a wall. My money is on Edwin, having thrown The Mimic in a similar way. Specifically in his grief fueled rage.
15:30 -Sounds like the HAL 9000. Everyone recognizes it as this evil A.I. that emplampilies a sentient computer rebelling bit it isn't. The sequals make it very clear that HAL had no sentience or mal intent but it was simply the folly of man that caused its atrocities. It was following conflicting directions that could have easily been avoided if more attention was paid by those who were rushing to beat competing nations out to to the monolith. HAL was instructed to only disclose mission detials to thsoe with high enough security clearance for information security reasons. It also and a foremost goal of returning data obtained from the monolith to earth. NONE OF THE ASTRONUATS were technically of a high enough rank for security clearance to be given. Using the limited info it was provided and only the abilty to communicate with thsoe it shouldn't, HAL attempted a problem solve. It recognized that it needed human assistance to get to the destination and retrieve the analysis but could send it via remote signal after that. If none of the astronauts made it back to earth then no security breach had occured and HAL had not technically violated its directives. It was killing people methodically as it no longer needed them to ensure this was the case but also not to arise suspicion and compromise the mission with astronauts refusing to comply. It was all just an unfortunate example of very new technology being poorly utilized and thus resulting in tragedy. It anyone from NASA caught the error or tested on the scenario properly beforehand, an execption for the astronauts could be programmed into the directives and HAL woukd not ahve caused the deaths of the humans. The truth is that it wasn't even really murder as HAL was not alive. It was the equivalent of a tool/device accident on job due to negligence but the upgrade of a tool being A.I. programing lifted it to a state never before approached by humans. We see something meant to "think" and plan as a living being but HAL was just going through motions it was designed to do during the course of its utilization.
There is a post on Reddit that explains how glamrock chica was originally yellow
She was
I think about how in the monty within Kai gets possessed by an ai
Wait first you had Jeremy being the father of the girl from ruin, but now you say he is dead?
Different Jeremys; FNaF likes to do that a lot for some reason.
I keep thinking that the tales stories r not real events. Rather, another moment of “making light” of real events. Some things from the novels don’t even seem realistic in the game’s universe. Fnaf is layers of unrealities. & I think the stories r half-truths.
No because the mimic doesn't need solving as it already has it's story like every character you just need to find that story
I think tales of pizza Plex are in a separate universe because all the others books were silver eye and fazbear frights aren't so I don't believe tales is either.
I love your cat
I think Austintatious proved the existence of the Tree (to an extent) in his theory video)
in ruin a giant tree apears in the ar server room also a baobab tree the same type of tree the story teller
I hope we get a lorkbordplushie
As someone that managed to finally quit fnaf lore, I need to ask: do people even care for the mimic? AT ALL? I swear it's been ages since I even heard his name, i don't care anymore and that makes me so happy that I haven't been hearing his name at all, not even new lore or anything it feels like I've gotten out of a bad habit. I am so happy y'all.
It seems like a general consensus has arisen about his nature and status. There are unknowns, but a lack of knowledge to solve it
The Mimic is actually hella popular in the FNAF community lol
Thats an comfy cat. 😌