They're not vocally strong, but that doesn't mean they "cant" sing AT ALL. They're not tone deaf, they know their rythm well...this much i can tell. Its understandable to say they lack technique and stability which doesnt help pairing low note songs and tgeir fast paced choreos together. Everyone wants the same thing...for them to get good vocal training too but i do think the hate is forced in many areas where even yunjin and chaewon gets the hate when they have "bad encores" suddenly accusing they cant sing at all too and many other things which definitely isnt a normal critisism or an advicable opinion. Yunjin and chaewon are clearly the stronger ones vocally in THIS group so of course they'll carry the group more.
the anonymous internet commenters (twitter, 4chan, youtube) and the people that upvote them are just a sad vocal minority (usually young and jobless) that have nothing better to do than spread hatred and talk about unimportant, holier than thou topics. These include racists, misogynists, and many more disgusting ideas Generally hate comments can just be ignored, as they provide no real value or criticism. one final word. chaewon
But singers should be able to sing their own songs while standing still. Nmixx, Aespa and even Blackpink sing their songs fine on encores. While everyone but Chaewon struggled to sing Easy on their encores. Yunjin has shown other times she can sing, don’t know what happened to her in encore day. Let us be honest only Chaewon and Yunjin can sing. Eunchae also has potential, and Kazuha also has improved a lot. While I think Sakura has damaged her voice too much to actually be able to sing.
@vixxexo6855 I think with this much criticism hybe will give them a better training, but tbh, I didn't really think that encores were that bad... u know, I think they were more scared about the encore since Sakura got so much hate on the unforgiven one that why all of them sounded a bit shaky......
whats the point of all this drama, dancing while singing is already impressive. perhaps they aren't super stable, but i'm sure they are super hardworking. i mean remember their workout that went super viral? 😟
No one can make me hate lesserafim 🫶 the hate they've been recieving is because some kpop stans are threatened of lesserafim's success. They're threatened for their favs career lol. Sorry but lesserafim will be that group, their chemistry and songs are perfect. THE BEST GROUP TO EVER EXIST
I said it before and I say it again, this forced hate train started after they announced their coachella performance! And there is one fandom in kpop that think no one is allowed in coachella except their favs, same thing happened when aespa performed there
people were simply too bored because there was no drama happening in kpop, and they also dont know what live singing is supposed to be like, yes they had a few hiccups but apart from that the performance was good
There's a few more decent Sakura singing clips for their bside live stages but the main point is: Easy is not really a song to show off your vocals. Any top vocalist singing it would not be any more impressive. the hate trains are simply ridiculous band wagoning also: the clips at the end showing vocal range can't spell "underdeveloped" correctly lol
le sserafim is not the best singing group and hybe gives the group songs like fearless and easy where they have to sing DEEP while dancing those choreos( idk why they purposely give them hard choreos lmaooooo TT-TT), singing deep is not comfortable at all for lesserafim members, like if fearless wasn't that deep vocals requiring song then the group would have easily be singing the song live . And I'm saying again LE SSERAFIM DOES NOT HAVE THE BEST VOCALS so their might be idols or groups which can do the dance and sing live or idols who can sing varities of genres( their comfortable scale range is big?) like lily from nmixx( no hate towards vocal queen lily) but it is difficult for le sserafim to do the same all the time cuz they are not the best singers out there. Its understandable that nowadays encores are the trustworthy source for live singing due to heavy editing of vocals, but unfortunately ENCORES are HARDCORES( not in a different way T-T). Encores are supposed to be FUUUN but people put hate idols for doing something fun in encores because they can't sing , and do you really expect idols who have been standing the whole day long and are exhausted, and adding the shock from winning, do you really think idols will sound exactly like the studio version? T-T y'all are dumb for this T-T :3 I'M NOT TRYING TO DEFEND THE GROUP OR TRY TO HIDE THEIR SINGING CAPABILITIES, CONSTRUCTIVE CRITISM IS REQUIRED TO BE GIVEN TO AN ARTIST IN HOPES FOR THEM IMPROVING BUT HATING/BULLYING IN THE DISGUISE OF " OPINION OR CONSTRUCTIVE CRITISISM " TOWARDS AN ARTIST IS JUST PURE BULL$HIT. NOT JUST LE SSERAFIM BUT THERE HAVE BEEN MANY IDOLS AN GROUPS WHO HAVE BEEN BULLIED OVER NOTHING ( YA U CAN'T JUSTIFY BULLYING ). let's all switct of internet do meditation and TOUCH SOME GRASS. cuz internet has been to B!TCHY and negative lately :)
Lily is better only in pop style. Her vibrato is weak. Musically, Haewon is better. Yunjin better in musical and classical style (but this style is not use in kpop). Yunjin also better in musicallity, because she can improvise and even can wrote a song. Chaewon better in RnB style, her agility and riff and run is better.
Encores is the only time we hear raw vocals. So they should sing instead of fooling around. I noticed only groups with weak vocals avoid singing in encores.
@@vixxexo6855 encores are supposed to be fun, but I get your point that they are the only tike we hear 100% rqw vocals, but you can't expect the group to sound the same as the studio version in encores cuz in encores they are already super tired that's why groups with weak vocals sing fine in good conditions but in encores they are already tired so they are not able to sing nicely
Yunjin and Chaewon are two of the best vocalists in all of kpop, to say that they don't sing is to be crazy envious just because they are more famous and relevant than any other group at the moment. Everyone in the group plays their part perfectly. In other groups there is less talent and the haters let it pass, just because they are afraid of LE SSERAFIM. The good thing is that the girls don't care about the cries of bitter and lifeless people.
Le sserafim were always praised for their live vocals and they're showing of holding a concert singing live for 3 hours and doing it well. And now theyre terrible live perfomers? Thats stupid because unless you're not right there with them i guess yall will say they're not good or wtv
Kazuha improvement is very fast. She need at least 1 year to catch up. I don't have a hope for Sakura. If she can improve a little bit, it is enough because she old. Eunchae improvement also slower but she is very young.
(Sigh) okay 1. The second clip you showed is not really live , I mean even if it was live at one point it's heavily edited and had gone through heavy post production to be even called 'live' at this point. 2. This point applies for every other official clip you found from their page (I'm sorry it is like that) And the 'live band' clip that you showed, it shares the same story 3. Plus I don't think chaewon and Yunjin were even subjected to the criticism when talking about their vocals (even tho I'd argue that Yunjin is sometimes shaky and comes off nasal but it's more to do with her background in vocals as she was more in the classical side) 4. Shouty vocals are more easy to perform than easy and laid back ones. (You can't defend Sakura in that also tho... I'm sorry, the lack of vocals is there when it comes to her) Ps:- if you want a more subjective and detailed discussion on this topic you should check out the "Ain't no other fan" channel.
nahhhhh you can't say that concerts are edited too cuz concerts clips can be posted from many diff fanaccounts and not everyone of them is going to be edited yk T-T
@@prasoontripathi4179 I agree the fan cams actually can show how much a vocalist is capable of holding a note and all the other jazz but the performance clip that are specifically provided by the company (as in DVD and stuff) are edited to give off a softer and stable outcome
i love them as a group but the truth is there’s only 2 vocalists. it’s hard to really realize when there’s so much production even on “live” performances. but you can tell if you listen hard enough. being an idol is about more than just vocals. i mean i agree that’s the most important thing but sakura is in the group and is famous for other things she can bring to the group, same with the other members
@@annanowak9620But they have no leading vocals, there is a huge gap from Chaewon and Yunjin to the rest. I think this problem is also found on other groups like Twice and Everglow where some vocals have to carry the whole group.
@jaavaliratan9082 The rest is also not a live performance. If they can sing live why is every encor so terrible? If it were just one or more of all the encors that came out bad, it wouldn’t be so problematic. But each of their encors is just a disaster😐
@@yourname4531 clearly you didn't watch the full video, they can sing live, look at the concert clips. And about the encores, since debut they've been getting hate disguised as criticism because they messed once, they are obviously scared to perform on encore because of the trauma especially sakura and it doesn't help that source music is not giving them songs that suit their vocal range.
@@jaavaliratan9082 They can’t do at least one encore normally but perfectly sing at their concerts while dancing? P.s. They can fool their fans but not real vocalists and audio engineers.
This video's title should be Chewon and Yunjin saving lesserafim for 30 mins or smth because the other members are BARELY singing. The concert footage only shows chewon and yunjin singing, what about the other members? And the times where the other members are singing it ain't even live 🤦 People criticising their vocals are NOT hating on them. The only one to hate here is hybe ent. they give these girls hard choreographies when they can't even sing their own song properly. Is it too much to ask a company to give their idols proper vocal training?? Not being able to sing your own song live is embarrassing for both the company and the girls
Finally some one realized they can sing they are best singer People are hating them heavenly but they also don't know that Lee sserafim is better than them They only watched one clip of unforgiven encour and not watched other clips they should be shame on their self . Now i willl laugh at them Lee sserafim go i love you❤❤❤❤
not the best but probably one of the bests especially if they are given songs that are along their comfortable range where in they can show their skills
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They're not vocally strong, but that doesn't mean they "cant" sing AT ALL. They're not tone deaf, they know their rythm well...this much i can tell. Its understandable to say they lack technique and stability which doesnt help pairing low note songs and tgeir fast paced choreos together. Everyone wants the same thing...for them to get good vocal training too but i do think the hate is forced in many areas where even yunjin and chaewon gets the hate when they have "bad encores" suddenly accusing they cant sing at all too and many other things which definitely isnt a normal critisism or an advicable opinion. Yunjin and chaewon are clearly the stronger ones vocally in THIS group so of course they'll carry the group more.
All I see is hate comments the hate is so forced man stop it......
the anonymous internet commenters (twitter, 4chan, youtube) and the people that upvote them are just a sad vocal minority (usually young and jobless) that have nothing better to do than spread hatred and talk about unimportant, holier than thou topics. These include racists, misogynists, and many more disgusting ideas
Generally hate comments can just be ignored, as they provide no real value or criticism.
one final word. chaewon
But singers should be able to sing their own songs while standing still. Nmixx, Aespa and even Blackpink sing their songs fine on encores. While everyone but Chaewon struggled to sing Easy on their encores. Yunjin has shown other times she can sing, don’t know what happened to her in encore day. Let us be honest only Chaewon and Yunjin can sing. Eunchae also has potential, and Kazuha also has improved a lot. While I think Sakura has damaged her voice too much to actually be able to sing.
@vixxexo6855 I think with this much criticism hybe will give them a better training, but tbh, I didn't really think that encores were that bad... u know, I think they were more scared about the encore since Sakura got so much hate on the unforgiven one that why all of them sounded a bit shaky......
whats the point of all this drama, dancing while singing is already impressive. perhaps they aren't super stable, but i'm sure they are super hardworking. i mean remember their workout that went super viral? 😟
it's not that they aren't stable while dancing, it's that they're not stable while not dancing
No one can make me hate lesserafim 🫶 the hate they've been recieving is because some kpop stans are threatened of lesserafim's success. They're threatened for their favs career lol. Sorry but lesserafim will be that group, their chemistry and songs are perfect. THE BEST GROUP TO EVER EXIST
Ofcourse they can sing
This whole le sserafim hate is so forced
Finally someone praising them!
I said it before and I say it again, this forced hate train started after they announced their coachella performance! And there is one fandom in kpop that think no one is allowed in coachella except their favs, same thing happened when aespa performed there
yunjin and chaewon are great
people were simply too bored because there was no drama happening in kpop, and they also dont know what live singing is supposed to be like, yes they had a few hiccups but apart from that the performance was good
There's a few more decent Sakura singing clips for their bside live stages
but the main point is: Easy is not really a song to show off your vocals. Any top vocalist singing it would not be any more impressive. the hate trains are simply ridiculous band wagoning
also: the clips at the end showing vocal range can't spell "underdeveloped" correctly lol
le sserafim is not the best singing group and hybe gives the group songs like fearless and easy where they have to sing DEEP while dancing those choreos( idk why they purposely give them hard choreos lmaooooo TT-TT), singing deep is not comfortable at all for lesserafim members, like if fearless wasn't that deep vocals requiring song then the group would have easily be singing the song live . And I'm saying again LE SSERAFIM DOES NOT HAVE THE BEST VOCALS so their might be idols or groups which can do the dance and sing live or idols who can sing varities of genres( their comfortable scale range is big?) like lily from nmixx( no hate towards vocal queen lily) but it is difficult for le sserafim to do the same all the time cuz they are not the best singers out there.
Its understandable that nowadays encores are the trustworthy source for live singing due to heavy editing of vocals, but unfortunately ENCORES are HARDCORES( not in a different way T-T). Encores are supposed to be FUUUN but people put hate idols for doing something fun in encores because they can't sing , and do you really expect idols who have been standing the whole day long and are exhausted, and adding the shock from winning, do you really think idols will sound exactly like the studio version? T-T y'all are dumb for this T-T
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I'M NOT TRYING TO DEFEND THE GROUP OR TRY TO HIDE THEIR SINGING CAPABILITIES,
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITISM IS REQUIRED TO BE GIVEN TO AN ARTIST IN HOPES FOR THEM IMPROVING BUT HATING/BULLYING IN THE DISGUISE OF " OPINION OR CONSTRUCTIVE CRITISISM " TOWARDS AN ARTIST IS JUST PURE BULL$HIT. NOT JUST LE SSERAFIM BUT THERE HAVE BEEN MANY IDOLS AN GROUPS WHO HAVE BEEN BULLIED OVER NOTHING ( YA U CAN'T JUSTIFY BULLYING ).
let's all switct of internet do meditation and TOUCH SOME GRASS. cuz internet has been to B!TCHY and negative lately :)
Lily is better only in pop style. Her vibrato is weak. Musically, Haewon is better. Yunjin better in musical and classical style (but this style is not use in kpop). Yunjin also better in musicallity, because she can improvise and even can wrote a song. Chaewon better in RnB style, her agility and riff and run is better.
@@anistardi yea yea
Encores is the only time we hear raw vocals. So they should sing instead of fooling around. I noticed only groups with weak vocals avoid singing in encores.
@@vixxexo6855 encores are supposed to be fun, but I get your point that they are the only tike we hear 100% rqw vocals, but you can't expect the group to sound the same as the studio version in encores cuz in encores they are already super tired that's why groups with weak vocals sing fine in good conditions but in encores they are already tired so they are not able to sing nicely
@@vixxexo6855 No. When people pay to watch then they must sing live. You watched encore for free then you complain about it? Are you poor?
Team works so perfect make me no notice who’s and who . Le sserafim gorgeous and talented!!! Love that much
Yunjin and Chaewon are two of the best vocalists in all of kpop, to say that they don't sing is to be crazy envious just because they are more famous and relevant than any other group at the moment. Everyone in the group plays their part perfectly. In other groups there is less talent and the haters let it pass, just because they are afraid of LE SSERAFIM. The good thing is that the girls don't care about the cries of bitter and lifeless people.
Pretty great vocals Sakura !!! Bravos
chaewon and yunjin are the only ones with the best vocals
mainly chae ngl
Chaewon and yunjin are one of the best vocalists
Jobless people in the comsec crying coz they can't accept lesserafim really can sing live. 😅
Le sserafim were always praised for their live vocals and they're showing of holding a concert singing live for 3 hours and doing it well. And now theyre terrible live perfomers? Thats stupid because unless you're not right there with them i guess yall will say they're not good or wtv
I agree with chaewon and yunjin
But other 3 need training
No hate!
Kazuha improvement is very fast. She need at least 1 year to catch up. I don't have a hope for Sakura. If she can improve a little bit, it is enough because she old. Eunchae improvement also slower but she is very young.
@@anistardieunchae is way more stable than the Japanese line
Absolutely! Le sserafim the best ! Thanks for the musics
you do realize that over half of these clips have production and isn’t completely live
(Sigh) okay
1. The second clip you showed is not really live , I mean even if it was live at one point it's heavily edited and had gone through heavy post production to be even called 'live' at this point.
2. This point applies for every other official clip you found from their page (I'm sorry it is like that)
And the 'live band' clip that you showed, it shares the same story
3. Plus I don't think chaewon and Yunjin were even subjected to the criticism when talking about their vocals (even tho I'd argue that Yunjin is sometimes shaky and comes off nasal but it's more to do with her background in vocals as she was more in the classical side)
4. Shouty vocals are more easy to perform than easy and laid back ones. (You can't defend Sakura in that also tho... I'm sorry, the lack of vocals is there when it comes to her)
Ps:- if you want a more subjective and detailed discussion on this topic you should check out the "Ain't no other fan" channel.
? what are u saying? are u being sarcastic? hows the first one not live?
nahhhhh you can't say that concerts are edited too cuz concerts clips can be posted from many diff fanaccounts and not everyone of them is going to be edited yk T-T
@@prasoontripathi4179 true
@@FatimaAlasaadi I didn't say anything about the first one(?)
@@prasoontripathi4179 I agree the fan cams actually can show how much a vocalist is capable of holding a note and all the other jazz but the performance clip that are specifically provided by the company (as in DVD and stuff) are edited to give off a softer and stable outcome
i love them as a group but the truth is there’s only 2 vocalists. it’s hard to really realize when there’s so much production even on “live” performances. but you can tell if you listen hard enough. being an idol is about more than just vocals. i mean i agree that’s the most important thing but sakura is in the group and is famous for other things she can bring to the group, same with the other members
2 mainvocalists in a 5 member groups. That's how every kpop group works so I don't know why this forced hate towards them.
@@annanowak9620But they have no leading vocals, there is a huge gap from Chaewon and Yunjin to the rest. I think this problem is also found on other groups like Twice and Everglow where some vocals have to carry the whole group.
hell no the first one aint even live
have you seen the other clips?, if you did then you would know they can sing live
@jaavaliratan9082 The rest is also not a live performance. If they can sing live why is every encor so terrible? If it were just one or more of all the encors that came out bad, it wouldn’t be so problematic. But each of their encors is just a disaster😐
@@yourname4531 clearly you didn't watch the full video, they can sing live, look at the concert clips. And about the encores, since debut they've been getting hate disguised as criticism because they messed once, they are obviously scared to perform on encore because of the trauma especially sakura and it doesn't help that source music is not giving them songs that suit their vocal range.
@@jaavaliratan9082 They can’t do at least one encore normally but perfectly sing at their concerts while dancing?
P.s. They can fool their fans but not real vocalists and audio engineers.
the cope strong with this one
Are you praying! This Good Friday soon! Good luck
Can you translate into English?hahaha
Only Chaewon and Yunjin can btw
This video's title should be Chewon and Yunjin saving lesserafim for 30 mins or smth because the other members are BARELY singing. The concert footage only shows chewon and yunjin singing, what about the other members? And the times where the other members are singing it ain't even live 🤦
People criticising their vocals are NOT hating on them. The only one to hate here is hybe ent. they give these girls hard choreographies when they can't even sing their own song properly.
Is it too much to ask a company to give their idols proper vocal training?? Not being able to sing your own song live is embarrassing for both the company and the girls
not yunjin bro she sounds like she's gonna burp
@@oddeyeupListen to Yunjin when she covers other songs. She sounds good there, but for some reason Hybe producers make her change her voice.
Finally some one realized they can sing they are best singer
People are hating them heavenly but they also don't know that Lee sserafim is better than them
They only watched one clip of unforgiven encour and not watched other clips
they should be shame on their self .
Now i willl laugh at them
Lee sserafim go i love you❤❤❤❤
The best????
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Fake news lmao
im sorry, but chaewon and yunjin might be the best singers of 4th gen.
😂😂
im sorry but im guessing u dont know many kpop groups
it’s not april fools yet, calm down with the jokes
these replies are killing me😭😭
not the best but probably one of the bests especially if they are given songs that are along their comfortable range where in they can show their skills
Liessss