Former defence ministers react to Canada’s NATO relations | Power Play with Mike Le Couteur
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
- Former defence ministers Peter MacKay and David Collenette weigh in on Canada’s military spending and relations with NATO.
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Stop sending money to other countries. Look after Canada. I am totally disgusted with this Trudeau government.
Sounds reasonable and I agree with you but to the average liberal what you just said is hateful and racist
Enough is enough, hard earned canadian money has to stay within Canada. Enough money to Zelensky
Russian boy
If we were putting money into our military instead of batteries we would be well on the way.
Or giving BILLIONS away to arm other countries.
We can build batteries, and we don't build planes and tanks.
So you'd mostly be putting money into another countries coffers.
We mostly need ships to defend Canada, so we should make building ships and subs our priority.
Europe won't miss whatever planes and tanks we do have.
But having the world's largest coast line to defend, we'll miss ships.
Go volunteer in the infantry instead of sitting on your arse in front of a screen.
@@michaeldowson6988 Youd be doing the same thing there, they dont actually train anymore.
@@IMGreg.. Actually we do build armored vehicles and weapons... Its called General Dynamics, and Colt Canada. Canada also builds planes, Boeing, Bombardier.. theres alot of avaition companies in Canada.
Guess what coastlines are used for... landing tanks and heavy equipment and logistical support... soliders can be deployed from the air. Hell even tanks other heavy vehicles are starting to be able to be deployed from the air... Yes you need to patrol the coast and control waters, but air defense is as equally important, as is the ability to defend, take and hold ground which is only accomplished by troops...
Maybe if the NDP Liberal government had some fiscal responsibility…we would be a valuable military ally instead of getting scolded on the world stage. Embarrassing 🙈
This issue started well before the current government
@@hbjshowslopper oh for sure, but this is the worst I think its ever been if you include veteran affairs.
@@hbjshowslopper It's at an all time low since the current government took over.
From many accounts billions of dollars have disappeared since Harper's departure....
Asked the Liberals
For decades, not months. But Canada's top general has really given a synopsis of how poorly prepared we are. How many more times do we have to hear what a terrible situation we are in.
Maybe if the Trudeau liberals stopped spending 200,000 on food for 6 day trips we could invest more!
Ya we know its JT's fault again.. 😒 You must be another hurtin Albertan with nothing to really say.
Poor you read books!
@@ericstyles3724. Hey does the truth hurts your feelings.
Yes it’s Turdoh fault 100% true!🤬
Haha don’t forget we also pay for his tinder.
The world is fully armed with high tech weapons and nuclear missiles and our PM is going to win war wearing Pride flag 😂
Make love not war.
There's no defending high numbers of nuclear missiles theoretically but in tests that see a live fire missile arm at the edge of space, they all go faulty &/or disarm before reaching 2/3 of their intended trip.
They say it's aliens that aren't too cool w nukes heading to cities.
As if any PM was prepared. Happy Pride Month!
@@SolutionsWithin Yep, that's worked before.
@@Guitarist166 And nukes work?
Turns out legalizing hard drugs was a bad idea
So it's BC's fault? How?
@@gerald5175hard drugs are decriminalized across the nation
Would you rather arrest all the drug users and spend our tax payer minty to pay for their food and shelter during incarceration?
@@danwelterweight4137 double dealer and precursor chems dealer penalties
@@paul.hogan720 No they aren't. That's not true at all. Meth, Coke, Crack, Heroin, none of them are legal. Where did you get that ridiculous thought?
“Mr prime minister will the joke nation be donating tampons for the men’s bathrooms”?
PM- umm ahhhh ummmm uhhhh aaaahhhh
Our procurement system is broken - project manager in DND
I wouldn’t say it’s broken but is severely understaffed, a situation made worse by cuts initiated by Harper and not fixed by Trudeau. And the chances of Trudeau not hiring more staff or Poilievre cutting it even further is pretty high. Unfortunately nato doesn’t really care about the procurement side of the equation, just that commitments are made and funding increased.
CANADA IS OUT OF NATO 😊
What are you talking about?
@@gerald5175I think they’ve lost the plot.
@@Vikingocazar They've certainly lost something. Lol...
FJB and NATO
remember when Stoltenberg said NAto forces have been in Ukraine since 2014? Pepperidge farms remembers
Training and equipment.
Oh really? 2014 eh? And Canadians were not supposed to know. Eh!
Perhsps the billions that went to his buddies regardi g the green slush fund should have been considered.
We should have ZERO spending in Ukraine. That is NOT a NATO requirement. Our spending to reach NATO mandates is what needs to change.
Then get your kids ready for conflict
The inconsistency of what you wrote is mind boggling.
@@realscience948 With who? Russia can't bring any weapons over here other then a couple ships subs and some missiles.
@@seanhiggins2740 Ukraine is not in NATO. a concept parrots can grasp
@@realscience948 do you think canadas contribution to fight russia has had any impact other than making a nabouring country a proper enemy? The liberal government refused to initiate peace talks when Moscow reached out to canada before the main invasion into Ukraine. Just remember Ukraine started this conflict with support from every nato country and a 900,000 person military.
canada has less that 85,000 person military. so I would argue every dollar we send to Ukraine brings canada closer to war. we've sent 10% of our tanks to Ukraine.
The CAF is running a marathon whilst its shoes are falling apart with every stride… while also being told to run faster and faster.
The new NATO is nothing like the NATO we grew up with .
In what way
WE DO NT WANT WAR WE WANT PEACE. OUR. LEADERS ARE TRYING TO CAUSE WAR !
We are not running critical courses and training this year because we do not have the ammunition or enough functioning equipment to run it. We are not well funded. Sailors are releasing because they cannot afford to live on the west coast, yet nothing happens. We have been bleeding sailors for 7 years.
Oh well. Boo hoo.
7:55.. When you can get ships built in Italy and France for half the cost and on time.. A glaring endorsement of 🇨🇦 infrastructure and procurement..🤨😂
Russia will never attack other countries.It’s the largest country in the world and has her hands full looking after such a vast continent.And has all the mineral resources other countries can only dream of.
Exactly.
All this warmongering is illogical and insane. Canada should invest in infrastructure instead of arms.
😂 He just gave Kim in North Korea a Russian-made Limo during his visit to Nuclear, I mean North Korea. LOL. Do you even hear the international news???
Reality check: Russia invaded Chechnya, Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine, Ukraine again. It is in Syria, the Golan Heights, in many African countries...
If you watched some of their own programming you would realize how often the talk about reconquering the Baltic states (Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia), Poland, Czechs and Slovaks...
They also work on keeping independent countries in line, like Georgia, Armenia, Kazakhstan...
They have now been tied to fires in weapons factories in Poland, Bulgaria, Germany, the UK, Czechia,...
What planet are you on?
@@George-2115 Useless to explain anything ..they are russian Bots.
If our acquisition processes were simplified and political interference was reduced, then the CF could actually have more troops available to meet other commitments. Decades, nay, half a century, of crud needs to be cleaned up and cleared out. The taxpayers are paying far too much for things that have no strategic or military value or benefit.
We really need to share procurement with our allies.
For example we all agree on the design of a tank, or a destroyer, and then we all build some of the needed equipment to the same standard in each country.
Selling to those who cannot produce them themselves.'
That way NATO has the same equipment everywhere.
The saving would be impressive, and the equipment would be more effective.
All of that should have been done decades ago.
@@jimthain8777"allies", aka countries who's population holds views largely anti-ethical to Canadian values. Such as Ukraine, Israel, Saudi Arabia.
No more spending on none sense. Canada needs to mind it own business, keep the peace, and do what it does best export goods and create energy with new technology
Right, Canada is an isolated island that no one can touch.
Si vis pacem, para bellum. I'll tell you what it means:
If you want peace, prepare for war. This is how the world worked for thousands of years.
Pacifism is an invitation to be occupied. Obviously we have a few Quislings who would like to enable that. Sounds like an individual who should be at the top of the draft list. Alternative version of deportation.
@@lorneyoung6298 we don't need to send out invitations. Just look around. Any town with a population over 500 is 95% Paki.
Why do we keep dragging out Peter McKay?
Jeez
Agreed. The progressive conservatives were the best party as it was a centrist political party. It was such a tragedy when McKay banded with the social conservatives and cut out the progressive wing.
Ironically, So many great leaders such as Winston Churchill and Theodore Roosevelt were progressives.
Stop unnecessary wars around the globe. Then you can reduce these unnecessary "defence" spending.
Maybe we should ask the question should Canada still be a member of NATO. Should we increase military spending but in different ways, considering the changes in warfare that is coming. WE have the northwest passage that is going it be an important event soon. we have the worlds biggest navy being held up by countries with no navels at all, with the advent of drone warfare. We have more coastline than any other country, and a need to protect it. Just wondering
We need to spend our budget wisely as we are already one of the largest defense spenders in the world and punch above our weight. However, we get poor value for our money.
The military is also very top heavy with about 3 times the number of generals and admiral's today with a 70,000 strong force than we had in world war two with over 1,000,000 service members. These high ranks are paid much more than their civilian counter parts and with rich benefits.
When the military cries for money, my response is they need to make do and I want to see budget cuts and more reasonable spending.
I dont want canadiens to died/fight for another country..
Send that last shipment to Ukraine and start stocking up Canada’s military. We need our attic covered better, anti air and drones, a better airforce and navy. We are a huge country with lots of resources. Hell we could make tons of nukes in a short time. Stop slackin
Not that I am saying we need nukes but it’s all money..
Canada needs to rebuild all branches of its armed forces including the RCAC, RCN, and RCAF.
Americans wanted Stoltenberg and not Iohannis because Romania pays already 2,6% from GDP(clubmembersheep),payed 7 patriot systems, f 16,corvettes etc. Now is Danmarks turn to buy submarines, patriots etc.
Peter, we've talked about this, maybe we should try again
Not enough
For months? U mean years many years
If we want support if the terrible happens we need to step up or do the unthinkable and step away from NATO and then we can’t complain when there isn’t help when we need it
When our GDP gets into the negatives, can we get some $$ back?
Hilarious. This is How another Liberal tries to make this Sound Not so Bad!!🤣🤣🤣
Canada was at .99% in 2014.
We're far better with this under the liberals, as of 2022 we were at 1.32%.
@@jimmiller6704 The canadian military was significantly stronger in 2014 than in any year after thus far. plus the liberals have refused to engage with Russia prior to the invasion. liberals spending more doesn't make anything better.
@@jimmiller6704wow a whole 0.34% increase.
@@jimmiller6704 Except in 2014 we had functioning equipment! That 0.34% increase barely covers inflated costs from inflation and now our military is in shambles. You disingenuous shills are so desperate to spin this and blame the previous gov't somehow! Weak sauce.
@@jimmiller6704 🤣🤣🤣
Too late now for debate. Canadian Special forces are in Kiev. Their mission: to mine roadways and central arterial highways leading from Belarus and conduct engineering surveys in the Sumy region. That should tell you how Ukraine is "winning". So, debate and whine, we're part of NATO and our forces are over there with the rest of NATO special forces in Ukraine.
Canada should get the hell out of NATO before it totally collapses.
Sure, with such a "strong and well equipped" army Canada can afford to be on it's own.
You should rethink your procession
Same old, same old marxist ally
That's ridiculous and illogical.
Perfect ignorant!
Criticism for months as though this is a new issue, thanks Kent.
Canada should leave NATO. We have no reason to belong to it since the fall of the USSR. There, I just saved 2% of the GDP.
You said: "Canada should leave NATO. We have no reason to belong to it since the fall of the USSR".
I say: Yes, that's what we all hoped, but now Russia has been getting worse, and is now more of a threat than it was since Brezhnev, in fact its heading in the direction of Stalin.
more $$$$$$$$$$$$tax$$$$$$$$$$$
Russia and Canada both had ship in Cuba recrntly...wonder why
Surrendered maybe
Our annual trip to Cuba
Let's not be drama queens about it!!!
These MND have no business commenting on this as they did nothing for the CAF when they were there. This is a joke!!!
Liberal
As a Canadian I’d rather not be a part of NATO, I’d prefer to be a neutral country, because let’s be real here that any war that happens involving NATO will more then likely be sparked by the United States, all I see happening in regards to Canada being a part of NATO is Canada being dragged into a war.
Warmongers...
Forget the 2% target. We spend next to nothing !
Stick to the facts.
@@gerald5175
What we spend, much is wasted in bureaucracy
@@randyhuke3773 It's called Govt and it happens everywhere in every country.
@@gerald5175
Not to the same degree with this corrupt lot in Ottawa !!!!
@@randyhuke3773 Or the corrupt lot in the Harper Govt before them!!!!
2% since Trump times and yet still not there yet 😂😂
I sooooo hope Peter makay returns to help the pc.. Blair is frightening
CON servatives get money in paper bags under the table find out how much B Mulroney got😮 do not kick your luck😮
When ALLIES share the procurement of equipment, each ally sees a money savings.
Furthermore you get better interoperability of the forces themselves.
I have never understood why NATO countries haven't cooperated on equipment procurement before this.
It is the most common sense thing to do.
I wish elected officials would recognize that they have little to bring to the table in the realm of expertise on which infrastructure gets chosen to be funded etc. We have a highly paid civil service for that. The days of jobs for my constituents are long gone. We can no longer afford the pork barrels.
Poland 🇵🇱 spends 5% GDP for it’s army and has stronger military than Canada 🇨🇦.
Shame Canadian politicians shame.
Trudeau get out, we need progress not going backwards.
🤔🇨🇦👎
Bravo Poland 🇵🇱
😋🇵🇱👍
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂Not one of these numpty’s did anything, either😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Our sunny ways, softy toffee PM cannot conceive of the realities of war. But in my 60s, I can't either.
One day we will all be driven into war-theatre horrors, and the only way to prepare is to make sure we are not caught unprepared.
We need to start making preparedness a real priority.. and I hear that our military is woefully inadequate. We need to start with 2% & a longer goal of 3%.
Future conflicts will not look like anything that we have seen in the past.. take warning!
Nato needs to charge $5 billions every year to be paid by Canada as a fine for not fullfiling its obligations.
Peter you and Harper cut defense budget the most you fool
I expect alot more from our govt. Jesus I doubt we could defend a single province 🙄🙄🙄
Leave canada alone canada doesn't belong to nato
Then leave nato and any security pacts with the USA. Americans are tired of flipping the bill.