B.C. municipality to discuss whether it should keep existing
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- čas přidán 5. 03. 2024
- The small Vancouver Island town of Sayward has gone through more mayors and city managers than any other local government in B.C. in recent years. As Justin McElroy reports, it has sparked a conversation on whether they should continue being a municipality - or disincorporate and be overseen by a regional government.
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Here in Alberta, the village of Cayley (about an hour south of Calgary) de-incorporated, becoming entirely dependent on Foothills county. It was assumed that the county would absorb all the costs of maintaining the community, however, the county refused to cover all the costs; the residents still have to maintain the financial burden of maintaining what used to be their village. They essentially gained very little, except they no longer have to support a mayor and council.
And we have no reliable Canada post here, have to go into High river or sometimes Okotoks for mail.
But do you have a board of directors?it’s just the same.
I live on an unincorporated island in BC...
The island trust run the island, and instead of having one or two crooks living off the citizens we have six people who financially benefit from keeping us a closed society....
Saanich also benefit from us remaining unincorporated....they collect our federal tax dollars we can not collect...
We have no collective power, as we are not a village, town, group of towns, or even a rural route or hamlet...we are nothing if we are unincorporated... can't even collect revenue from province or country to do repairs or hire doctors...
A very select group benefits from this set up, the rest of us get eye gouged daily...😢
And as Saanich Gulf islands - any revenue in federal taxes collected from us and paid back to the community of 'saanich Gulf islands' goes straight into Sidney and Saanich...next time you are here have a good look around...new schools and hospitals, housing for seniors, single parents, shelters even...all paid for with money the Gulf islands could have used locally...😢
Why does CBC allow for comments on trivial problems in Canada but don't allow for comments on serious matters that effect every Canadian. The CBC should be an open source for all Canadians to comment. I got my two cents in.
You know the answer
There are no adults in the room. Government bodies have this problem. Also, people think they have more rights than responsibilities and common sense.
If it takes you 2 years for chickens in a remote community your doomed like you dont have a grocey store and you wont let peoplw have chickens what is the point in paying the mayor and others sitting there doing nothing maybe if you went to Campbell river they would push that chicken bill through
Why did the chicken cross the road? Cause it was getting the hell out of Sayward
As soon as McMillan Bloedel left and was bought out by Weyerhaeuser
Sayward started to nose dive
Yep. Grew up there in the 80-90s and after that it wasn't the same.
This was a great and informative video, thank you CBC!
What a beautiful village. Its amazing just how many little things in our province go over looked..
Outstanding fishing in the Sayward area!!!
Well, I was looking at perhaps living there, me thinks not now.
Ridiculous about not allowing chickens , with the price of eggs these days
It's too bad. I love small communities like this, but I visited Sayward last fall and can't say I'm surprised. When I saw that their only real grocery store was closed, the writing was certainly on the wall.
That grocery store (in the Village) has been closed since 5 years before I moved away 20 years ago. Businesses close when they are under utilized and can’t afford to exist.
When the store was open, people went to town for most of their needs, but wanted the store to be there just in case, it snowed, or they were sick or, or…. A business can’t afford to exist just in case. There is in fact, a grocery store on Sayward Road in the Valley which is handier to traffic on the highway as well as residents in the valley which out numbers the residents of the village.
Welcome to any strata-council / AGM / SGM !
Or regional district like we have on the Sunshine Coast it sucks
I wouldn't apply for Mayor there.
I wonder if the remoteness of the community and the poor investment has put stress on everyone, causing the dysfunction
It's more likely people putting their own desires ahead of what is best for the community. 22 months to decide on chickens, that one is easy, ask the people, if 50% + 1 come back go with that choice, try it for a year and ask again. But someone on the council is pushing their own agenda in stead of working for the people. People get power and change.
Just like everything produced by the CBC this is very misleading you seem to think its remote,, it's less than an hour from Campbell River headlights along the highway to access several other communities, the other thing they didn't mention this is that there's the town of Sayward, But 25 minutes before you get to actual say word there are houses and acreages and they all have chickens the boundary for sayward is very small,,, but most importantly all the people who live out there want to live out there and enjoy living out there honestly if you pay attention they want to get people out of here because it's a poor Contender for 15 minutes City they want to sell you on what a bad place it is how hard it is to live here how miserable it is to live here,, they want you to believe that people shouldn't live here
I liked Saywards location but the prices got higher than Port hardy and it had no infrastructure for employment or supplies so i settled in Hardy the name suits it, but the vibe there is just as depicted in the news.
That close knit community argument does apply but it obviously does not exist
Sounds like they're in power for the paycheck, and letting things go on autopilot.
OMGawsh, was that the same blue GRIZZLY that I remember someone in Sayward purchased in the early nineties ? Legendary !
I love Sayward! So yes.
Seems to be a lot of dysfunctional muni’s around BC these days. I am going to miss Justin’s municipal reporting over the next year. Hope ithe series comes back.
I used to commercial fish out of sayward . Neat place
PS
It’s time Colonel Saunders runs for Mayor
The chicken fiasco
Would be solved😎
Great coverage- good luck Justin
I lived there long enough to realize it’s a community split into a couple of different factions: the gossiping, confrontational ones and the others who keep their mouths shut and don’t get involved. Not a good combination.
Newcomers get gossiped and cold shouldered out, so it stays insulated from the real world. It’s a toxic place located in a beautiful part of Canada. It’s a real shame.
In a sense it is perfectly represented : angry boomer town.
My in-laws used to live there years ago, it's a beautiful, quiet place.
Rule makers caught in thier own muck. Too small a place to be bothered by rule makers. Bring back the public freedom.
This is hillarious to me, in fecking HAMILTON ONTARIO where a city council acts the exact same way.
Oh wow that sums up the entire town. It happened in my town too lol. The rich/well off don't think people should have chickens. The rest want chickens. Those in power generally have the money and dont want chickens, so they get their way. Things devolve.
Hey look.I was born and raised here on the Sunshine Coast.Raised in a logging and farming family.I am definitely not rich.trust me it’s the woke newbies that come here from where ever and think they’re in the country that want chickens in residential neighbourhoods.up to 99 chickens on lots as small as 1/4 acre.that’s just stupid and you can’t fix stupid.And eggs are cheaper if you buy them at the store.feed is expensive.building Un permitted out buildings it goes on and on improper handling of chicken sewage right beside another persons house 15 feet away.It gets out of hand as you can plainly see.there is no bylaw enforcement.All the woke newbies think the rules aren’t for them.
People with money need to remember when looking at people with less, "There but for the grace of God go I!!!" They fawked my little town of Mulhurst. Those that had trailers on land for years and were finally able to build cabins decided trailers looked unsightly and put an end to OTHERS doing what THEY had done to get where they are.
@@polarlab113 Good point, nice to see both sides of the story
It is failing. The province should run the area.
Elect him as the representitive what a good idea honesly if your council is that bad and you have no money dont pay for it ! If they arent changing things your the people should !
The towns people sound torture
I had no idea sayward was so small
It’s basically a logging camp.that’s how it started.
This somehow reminds me of Dalton Illinois
Never even heard about this place Sayward
At least there’s no Tiffany Henyard their!lol
Bet you the houses are still 700k plus
Its a beautiful little village with so much potential having visited there many times on trips up island. The current Mayor has lasted longer and have got more done since he started for grants and infrastructure, he and the council need to find a way past this and move on. Its location will make it a bedroom community to Campbell river in a matter of years the way Campbell river is expanding.
It happened just like that in the Sunshine Coast
@@polarlab113yeah ..Sunshine coast ferry hostages.
True, more people are moving here every year, think about 50-100 years from now!!
the closest i ever got to sayward was lakeview camp,when i was a bad boy...
Never thought id see an actual municipality smaller than Yahk.
Wowsers
Sayward is a beautiful place.
Sounds Very Much like what is happening just down the road in Tahsis BC.
And the Sunshine Coast Gibsons,Sechelt, Pender harbour,egmont.
@@polarlab113 I Hear You, What do you think the common denominator might be in all of these Villages, The C.A.O. ? The ever increasing cost of living, due to ridiculous Salaries, and Contracts. Engineer Firms receiving million dollar contracts - in Tahsis the new $2 million garage will soon be built to park the old Fire Truck ? Last Summer, there was a 200 meter Cement Block Wall (large preformed locking cement blocks stacked on top of one another - simple ?)installed along the river bank , in which they trucked countless daily loads of Rock Boulders in from Campbell River 150 kms away (There are No Rocks / Boulders in Tahsis ?) - Over $2 million, and they ordered the wrong Cement Blocks that did not properly fit on the pre-existing cement blocks, and they had to use epoxy in between the blocks ? It does not end there, with many overpriced $2 million contracts, and over priced Salaries. Property Taxes are ridiculous, and there seems to be a pattern - Powell River which has the highest property tax rate among places studied also has the lowest average home price. Kamloops, Nanaimo, and Campbell River all have high tax rates, and each of these cities had a home price of less than $600,000.
The village should. CBC, not so much.
SAYWARD HAS A Right TO exist as Long as One Person decides to live there in my opinion. Unfortunately the mayor would be that one person... the current council there May still not be the best fit, trial and error... perhaps Saywad should allow recovery centers to come make more jobs or Retirement homes.... Something to call tourists to visit
The whole N. End of Van Isl is in the same state and I'm sure many other parts of rural BC and there's only 1 reason to blame given resource rich, small population and that government mismanagement and broken banking model together combined make it impossible to get a leg up loan to start biz, create jobs and opportunity.
Kicking citizens around is bullying
If they don't want it, i'll have it.
Chicken farms!
They aren’t farmers don’t let the chickens in you’ll be sorry
Then taxes will go up and up
To the people of Sayward I would say, you can govern yourselves, or, failing that, you can *be* governed.
Why? Because this is a community in transition.
City councils everywhere behave the same and not many respected
I've been to Sayward
This is what happens when you ask "the people " what should get done.
When asked anything, Islanders say "no".
Everyone thinks where they live is special.
What is a million times special?
Is Campbell River screwing up by passing an stupid chicken law?
Campbell is a lot bigger. Wouldn’t affect your average person there. In villages like this your screwed without it
It is stupid having chickens that overrun the lot size in residential zoning because idiots think the laws are not for them.
just leave the town and let the karens fight each other
Well said
.......Myopic ...I guess when the going gets tough , Just leave ......Now there's a solution ....And when there is nobody left to hear Your cries for help , and nobody answers .
Oh no, Justin, you may need to rewrite your song.
What's new
I dont think disincorporating will work for them. I'm sure the cost savings wouldn't be that much as the regional district wouldn't just subsidize all administrative costs for them just cause they're now incororated into them. The money still has to come from somewhere, and they'll probably have even less say over the going ons of their town with just a sole representative added to a larger political body.
I can sympathize with the council difficulties they're facing, but as fas as disincorporating, it sounds like to me they want their cake and eat it too. They aren't going to get all of what they're hoping for, I bet. I also imagine it would be a lot of work and time to go back on that decision if it doesn't work out for them.
Still, I wish the community the best of luck with whatever decision they make.
A community of Boomers with facebook accounts
Get a life
Exactly right.Woke Karen’s
Sounds like they have no idea what to do ... too many random old retire people that aren't qualified to be in leadership positions and love to cling to the the "hip" saying of " keyboard warrior" rather than deal with issues. lol Seems they LOVE drama then if they can move forward on basic tasks. what Shame. Regional for them is the best way to stop this garb. Local is best but they have clearly demonstrated they are not capable
In Camera meetings should not be allowed period. They are elected officials. The people should know what is going on. This just lets them and their friends buy up the land before the marble factory moves to town.
I live In a north west community where every single month at minimum 1 in camera meeting but it is beyond out of control. No one knows what’s going on. there should be zero in camera meetings at all. Nothing should be secret in your community
There are times “in camera” is necessary such as when the discussion is about an individual, or possible real estate purchase, a contract and the like. Chickens are not fodder for in camera.
The possible inability to agree on chickens may be the fear they will attract more grizzlies and cougars. There have been both in and around houses.
@@fahansen if you live in a wildlife corridor you are already living with wild animals. The easy solution is an electric fence. The bottom line is something is always going to be a predator against chickens, it comes with owning them. Again “in camera” is far too easy to be abused and within knowing the content the “elected officials “ can do whatever they want. Again they should have to provide at least the topic.
Leave it alone
No ponytails in council! 😂
If you have to ask then you don't need to exist.
I lived in a remote community in BC....it was exactly the same as this but with no police...the crime was getting insane. I left....never again! They should amalgamate with a larger community.
Smile as you go under CBC, your time is coming...
YEA! Let's sell off everything else that used to belong to the people, like BC Gas, BC Hydro. Sell it to Starbuck's or Elon Musk. What a great idea.
Contacting cbc was a mistake
Why?
In camera doesn’t literally mean “no cameras”. The “camera” in “in camera” stems from latin where “camera” means “room”, like “chamber”. It means “in room”. Doesn’t take much googling to figure this out CBC…
Legally, an 'in camera' meeting is one that is closed to the public, as CBC stated. There is legal confidentiality attached to that.
CBC?😂😂😂😂😂😂trudeaus cheering section?
@@polarlab113 fun fact, the CBC lied about how the Harper Government fell in 2011, saying the budget bill failed.
The truth was that they were found in contempt of parliament. A historic event, globally.
So, why did the CBC lie to help the Conservatives? Because the CBC bends to anyone in power.
This is bad, but all the other media are owned by corporations paid by other corporations for ads.
Best to have both CBC and corporate media as they both lie.
Getting rid of the CBC would mean that the only voice left is corporate power.
We need the CBC and possibly the corporate media. Getting rid of one would make us slaves to the other.
Trying to hear what you're saying through the completely unnecessary music. The music undercuts everything it makes it goofy instead of serious news.
Secrets are bad
Hahaha typical 😂
Meanwhile in Ottawa.. Kid Justin blocks RCMP from investigating him for interfering with his Attorney General in the SNL scandal. Fear not though… Certain Canadians think it’s ok to do this.
Isn't it something? Tredue always mentions what's best for Canadians. He is a straight faced lier and can't keep his hands off illegal money. I don't understand how he can always say " Canada stands by the rule of law", except for him. Will he meet the law after he's out of office? Not likely, itsdumbfounding
Sayward has no future… the people are cancerous…😢❤
You are not a close knit community. You don't even qualify as communal.
Rename it some un-pronouncable salish name and throw a boat load of money at it
Like they did on the Sunshine Coast you can’t even spell it let alone pronounce it
They already did that. It was once Kelsey Bay, and they constantly receive grants. They apply for every grant out there, even Tsunami. The possibility of a Tsunami in Sayward is about 1 in 1 million or less. Sayward Village has embraced victimhood ever since Macmillan Bloedel quit paying all their bills for them.
I wqnna move there
Look at Donald Trump right now
Keyboard warrior? #OKBoomer.
Should cbc exist
DEFINITELY NOT.
You're both watching it 🤦
Who else would cover this stuff?
@@Jessev741 lots of options. Not tax funded.
@@familyb5800 such as....
@@familyb5800Let’s see these options that will cover local news items like the CBC does. You claim there are lots and yet none are currently doing it.
Lol. Oh Vancouver Island. You’re cute.
Come to the capital. Not so cute. Just like your comment.
SHOULD CBC EXIST?!! NOOO!!!
Move to Sayward - looks like a haven for haters. You'll love it.
@@TomAbraham-fh2hv
Keep promoting and cheerleading deception
which creates a haven for deception that you
seem to love - congrats!
Hope it's not 'hateful' to point that out deceiver.
MAGA SPREADS TO CANADA
Apparently it is MCGA with a hint of Scottish.
Make Canada Great Again.
I'm of Italian background and a lot of Scottish and Italians back in the day built Canada along with many other immigrants nothing like today's immigrants.
Maga's been here since Mike Roman and his IDU met up in Ottawa with Stephen Harper and they hatched out Pierre Poilievre. Vote carefully Canada 🇨🇦
Ahh. Trudeaus Canada. Business aren’t just shutting down but entire towns 😢
There is ways around "in camera" rules. In camera just gives the impression of having something to hide
Be Rebel, get a chicken ...
cbc and free speech, interesting
"I'm never gonna respond to a keyboard warrior". Time to get with the times. This is the way of the world. Learn to adapt.
Well, I was looking at perhaps living there, me thinks not now.