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Komentáře • 110

  • @unflexian
    @unflexian Před měsícem +142

    your thumbnail doesn't have ln x

    • @2kchallengewith4video
      @2kchallengewith4video Před měsícem +1

      Welp, someone got fired

    • @jordonm5675
      @jordonm5675 Před měsícem +5

      ngl i was disappointed when i saw the bait and switch math problem when i clicked on the video. we all got played.

    • @unflexian
      @unflexian Před měsícem +30

      @@jordonm5675 nah he isn't a click bait channel like that, it's probably just an honest mistake imo

    • @KilamSabba
      @KilamSabba Před měsícem +6

      I saw the thumbnail, didn’t play the video, solved it to an answer of zero, then watched the switched integral.
      Well, at least the final answer is the same.
      (Oops, it might be pi/2 - (-pi/2) = pi , not 0 )

    • @andrewhone3346
      @andrewhone3346 Před měsícem +1

      ​@@KilamSabbayes without the ln x it's pi: integrand is positive over the whole interval so can't be zero!

  • @sayandas5
    @sayandas5 Před měsícem +25

    You never mentioned that technically this is an improper integral, as the denominator vanishes when x=4, 0.
    And the numerator is undefined when x=0.

  • @mcalkis5771
    @mcalkis5771 Před měsícem +13

    Man that's a use of a really satisfying method to get a really unsatisfying result.

  • @mathematics_and_energetics
    @mathematics_and_energetics Před měsícem +1

    MEGA! Thank you for presenting this integral! 😊

  • @cycklist
    @cycklist Před měsícem +2

    Wonderful editing :)

  • @holyshit922
    @holyshit922 Před měsícem +7

    Euler's substitution
    sqrt(4x-x^2) = ux
    Split into two integrals
    2ln(2)\int\limits_{0}^{\infty}\frac{1}{1+u^2}du - 2\int\limits_{0}^{\infty}\frac{\ln(1+u^2)}{1+u^2}du
    - 2\int\limits_{0}^{\infty}\frac{\ln(1+u^2)}{1+u^2}du
    This integral can be calculated by u = tan(theta) substitution

  • @FishSticker
    @FishSticker Před měsícem +16

    Since when does sin(x-pi/2) ever equal sin(x)… no matter the interval

    • @cheesetheorange4503
      @cheesetheorange4503 Před 27 dny +3

      yeah have no idea where that came from

    • @FishSticker
      @FishSticker Před 27 dny +3

      @@cheesetheorange4503 this makes me feel so weird about the whole proof

    • @LaurentPaulMontaron
      @LaurentPaulMontaron Před 23 dny +2

      Came here to say this. What is he smoking?

    • @hydropage2855
      @hydropage2855 Před 22 dny +1

      Yeah that definitely caught me off guard. I feel like every video he makes a really noticeable mistake, but then he’s going off his notes which are correct, so he doesn’t realize he makes these huge mistakes

    • @FishSticker
      @FishSticker Před 22 dny

      @@hydropage2855 I don't think this happens nearly every video, but it happens like a quarter of the time

  • @gregsarnecki7581
    @gregsarnecki7581 Před měsícem +1

    Good use of the 'magic box that erases part of the blackboard' at 5:51 and 15:04. It's what got me interested in his videos in the first place!

  • @worldnotworld
    @worldnotworld Před měsícem +1

    Back in 1980 I got a 5 on AP Calc AB, and a 4 on AP Calc BC, but I would not have gotten into Cambridge back in 1886. Dang! All of these steps are things I would have known how to do (though in my aged rustiness I need to be reminded), but to put this together? Really cool stuff.

  • @dinuwarabinudithdesilva5464
    @dinuwarabinudithdesilva5464 Před měsícem +25

    Just let x = 4sin^2(u) and dx = 8(sinu)(cosu)du. This will simplify much more rapidly. ☺

    • @thejelambar82
      @thejelambar82 Před měsícem +9

      But such substitution is not "regular". Personally, I prefer to work out from known substitution like rewrite it as 4-(x-2)² then use x-2=2sin(t)

    • @fartsniffa8043
      @fartsniffa8043 Před měsícem

      so you did both of his substitutions in one step?

    • @anshumanmondal8317
      @anshumanmondal8317 Před měsícem

      Please explain

    • @kjl3080
      @kjl3080 Před měsícem +1

      I don’t think anyone could possibly see that substitution- this may be shorter but it’s probably harder

    • @suwapete9761
      @suwapete9761 Před měsícem +1

      ​​@@kjl3080its fairly easy to see if the denominator is split into sqrt x and sqrt(1-x)

  • @emanuellandeholm5657
    @emanuellandeholm5657 Před měsícem

    Nice problem professor! I just stumbled over the integrand ln(sin x) on smaller math channel, and I remembered how you solved that problem using a phase shift.
    I feel like this should be a field of study: the class of non trivial integrands whose integral vanish over some interval with nonzero measure.

  • @Gringohuevon
    @Gringohuevon Před měsícem +1

    Very relaxing! Thanks Michael!

  • @thomashoffmann8857
    @thomashoffmann8857 Před měsícem +27

    10:30 sin(u - pi/2) = sin(u)
    Is this right? 🤔 Not -cos(x)?

    • @buldysk1537
      @buldysk1537 Před měsícem +4

      It is correct. The equation says that sine is symmetric around x = pi/2.

    • @nerdatmath
      @nerdatmath Před měsícem +3

      Right; take u = 2pi/3, which is in the interval of u. sin(u-pi/2) = sin(pi/6) = 1/2. But sin(u) = sin(2pi/3) = sqrt(3)/2. So definitely not a valid substitution.

    • @yulflip
      @yulflip Před měsícem +2

      it is wrong: at u=pi/2, sin(0) is NOT sin(pi/2)!!
      But, the integrals should be the same: instead of sin(u-pi/2) going from 0 to 1, it's sin(u) going from 1 to 0

    • @thomashoffmann8857
      @thomashoffmann8857 Před měsícem +1

      ​@@buldysk1537this would mean sin(pi/2 + x) = sin(pi/2 - x). Just insert x=pi/2 in his formula.

    • @michaelguenther7105
      @michaelguenther7105 Před měsícem +3

      You are correct and Michael is wrong. Since the integral of ln(sin x) from 0 to pi/2 is the same as the integral over ln(cos x), the third term should be a copy of the second term (with the cosine), and then the substitution u = x + pi/2 works to give the result Michael wants.

  • @renscience
    @renscience Před měsícem +6

    Can’t imagine a tough time consuming exam question like this unless it’s multiple guess😂 In real life it would take hours to hammer it out and it proves little as an exam question ( other than probing your character).

  • @hugh081
    @hugh081 Před měsícem

    Nice to see my old room in the thumbnail :)

  • @user-pv9yv7nc3o
    @user-pv9yv7nc3o Před měsícem +3

    You missed the fraction line at the cover picture

  • @sami-qv4st
    @sami-qv4st Před měsícem

    Another cool way to compute ∫ln(sinx)dx is to use Riemann sums, as pi/2n∑ln(sin(k*pi/2n) tends to the value of the integral as n tends to infinity.
    you then have to compute ∏sin(kpi/2n) which is classic and is equal to n/2^n. You then conclude with the uniqueness of the limit.

  • @goodplacetostop2973
    @goodplacetostop2973 Před měsícem +38

    20:09 This is not the thumbnail 🤨

    • @Ricardo_S
      @Ricardo_S Před měsícem

      From what it said in the thumbnail the answer is π
      First √(4x-x²)=√(4-x)*√(x)
      u=√(4-x)
      du=-[1]/[2√(4-x)]dx
      -2du=[1/[√(4-x)]dx
      u²=4-x
      u²-4=-x
      4-u²=x
      √(4-u²)=√(x)
      Change of limits
      u(0)=2
      u(4)=0
      So {0}S{4}([dx]/[√(4x-x²)])=
      {2}S{0}([-2du]/[√(4-u²)])
      We can take the 2 out from the integral, and change the limits of integrations with the negative sign
      2*{0}S{2}([du]/[(4-u²)])
      Now trig substitution
      u=2sin(θ)
      du=2cos(θ)dθ
      θ=arcsin([u]/[2])
      θ(0)=arcsin(0)=0
      θ(2)=arcsin(1)=[π]/[2]
      u²=4sin²(θ)
      4-u²=4-4sin²(θ)=4(1-sin²(θ))=4cos²(θ)
      So
      2*{0}S{[π]/[2]}([2cos(θ)dθ]/[√(4cos²(θ))])=
      2*{0}S{[π]/[2]}([2cos(θ)dθ]/[|2cos(θ)|])
      Because 2cos(θ) its positive on the interval [0,π÷2] |2cos(θ)|=2cos(θ)
      2*{0}S{[π]/[2]}([2cos(θ)dθ]/[2cos(θ)])=
      2*{0}S{[π]/[2]}(dθ)=
      2*θ{[π]/[2]\0}=
      2*([π]/[2]-0)=π

    • @forcelifeforce
      @forcelifeforce Před měsícem +1

      Obi Wan Kenobi: "These are not the droids you are seeking."

  • @andrewhone3346
    @andrewhone3346 Před měsícem

    If you do the substitution x=2(1-cos t) then this becomes integral of the even function ln(2-2 cos t) from 0 to pi, so 1/2 of the same integral from -pi to pi. Now this is a special case of Jensen's Lemma, which says that integral of ln | a - exp(it) | is equal to ln max (1, |a| ), for an complex number a. Just set a=1 to recover the case at hand.
    (This result is used to define what is called the Mahler measure of a polynomial)

  • @Patapom3
    @Patapom3 Před měsícem

    Magnificent!

  • @Bjowolf2
    @Bjowolf2 Před 25 dny

    What are the limitations as to which types of integrals that are computable in practice? - when do we just have to give up straight away?

  • @Czeckie
    @Czeckie Před měsícem

    does the integral from 0 to 1 of the same function have a nice value?

  • @adamnoakes2550
    @adamnoakes2550 Před měsícem +1

    10:55 I got lost at this step. How can sin(x) subbed to make cos(t) result in cos(x) with the same bounds?

  • @eveeeon341
    @eveeeon341 Před měsícem

    This got me thinking, I always pause when I do a trig substitution, because the range of (cos and sin) trig functions is -1 to 1, so you can't always use it, but with the explicit example of scaling the domain by a change of variables to x = 4y and thus enabling the use of trig substitutions, but this only works for definite integrals, I wonder if there's ever a case where you can do something similar with indefinite integrals and you take a limit or something. To give a crude example x = y * 1/h where h -> infinity. This won't work in most cases, but you might be able to get a cancelation in the integral, and therefore you technically convert an indefinite integral to a definite one where the bounds are between -1 and 1 so you can use cos or sin substitution. I've not fully thought this through, I've only had the idea seeded by the video.

  • @Necrozene
    @Necrozene Před 19 dny

    God help me if after doing a trig substitution like in that first integral my bounds of integration go outside the bounds or what sine can provide. There has to be a better way.

  • @grantizmirlian8979
    @grantizmirlian8979 Před měsícem +1

    Easy freshman calc. Complete the square, substitute. Arc sine. Answer pi

  • @henrikstenlund5385
    @henrikstenlund5385 Před měsícem

    this is simpler to solve by substituting x=t**2 and the t=cos(y) and the integral becomes trivial

  • @purplerpenguin
    @purplerpenguin Před měsícem

    What level of the Tripos did this question appear in?

  • @PotatoImaginator
    @PotatoImaginator Před měsícem +2

    He always know the good place to stop 😮

  • @billh5923
    @billh5923 Před 26 dny

    So the first step is to change the problem? is that how they do things at Cambridge?

  • @rainerzufall42
    @rainerzufall42 Před měsícem +3

    Wow, I haven't seen this coming, that the area on the interval from 1 to 4 (no pi around) exactly compensates the negative area from 0 to 1!

  • @dalibormaksimovic6399
    @dalibormaksimovic6399 Před měsícem +3

    W Respect for Cambridge math!

  • @hello_its_me.
    @hello_its_me. Před měsícem

    Help me out, you call it a 'box' but isn't it a square?

  • @MartinPerez-oz1nk
    @MartinPerez-oz1nk Před měsícem +1

    THANKS PROFESOR. !!!!, VERY INTERESTING !!!!

    • @forcelifeforce
      @forcelifeforce Před měsícem

      Stop yelling your post in all caps. Also, watch your spelling and grammar.

  • @krabkrabkrab
    @krabkrabkrab Před měsícem

    There is a way simpler way to do the first integral: Just substitute t^2 for x. You get 2 times integral of 1/sqrt(1-t^2) from zero to one 2 times a half circle area of radius one. pi.

    • @GlenMacDonald
      @GlenMacDonald Před 19 dny

      The integral you're talking about (ie, the area of a half-circle of radius 1) would be ∫√(1-t²)dt, evaluated from -1 to 1.

  • @aronbucca6777
    @aronbucca6777 Před měsícem

    I solved the thumbnail integral before watching the video 😭

  • @wolfmanjacksaid
    @wolfmanjacksaid Před měsícem

    Seems like a ton of these types of integrals end up with a ln2 in the solution. Just an observation

  • @annoyingbstard9407
    @annoyingbstard9407 Před 26 dny

    I did it in my head. The answer’s 7.

  • @tixanthrope
    @tixanthrope Před měsícem

    The integral in the thumbnail is equal to pi. I have not tried to solve the one in the video yet.

  • @RigoVids
    @RigoVids Před 20 dny

    I feel like I might be tripping but he says sin(u-pi/2)=sin(u) which is just incorrect? How does this work? It's around 10:15 for reference.

    • @GlenMacDonald
      @GlenMacDonald Před 19 dny

      You're not tripping, but he tripped you up by not explaining it properly. He did actually address that in the video, but his explanation was unclear, and his "identity" isn't actually true. But... he did mention that the sine function between 0 and π is symmetric about the line x=π/2. What he *didn't* spell out though, was that this means that the sine function takes on the exact same values from 0 to π/2 as it does from π/2 to π, which means that the value of the integral in question (which goes from π/2 to π) will be the same whether you use sin(u-π/2) or sin(u). That's the part he glossed over, and which is admittedly confusing.

  • @richardheiville937
    @richardheiville937 Před měsícem

    integral of 1/sqrt(x-x^2)dx,x=0,1 is a lame integral. You perform the change of variable u=sqrt(x) then you perform the change of variable u=sin(t).

    • @GlenMacDonald
      @GlenMacDonald Před 19 dny

      I asked ChatGPT what a "lame integral" was, and it said that "lame" was probably a mispronunciation of "Lamé", and that Lamé integrals are special integrals of the Lamé function, which are solutions of Lamé's differential equation which occur in mathematical physics and elliptic function theory. It also said that the other possibility was that the person using the term was just being a dick.

    • @richardheiville937
      @richardheiville937 Před 19 dny

      @@GlenMacDonald ChatGPT is a lamer.

  • @JamesJD3
    @JamesJD3 Před 26 dny

    Integ 0 to 2 is (-2 Catalan). The question is why? Something is going on. Maybe the world is flat we are just looking at it wrong.
    I doubt anyone that has not seen the solution could solve this on a test. So what were they testing?

  • @zemm69
    @zemm69 Před 29 dny

    I don't understand why you could say u and x are both just dummy variables when u is in terms of x.

    • @GlenMacDonald
      @GlenMacDonald Před 19 dny

      Every definite integral has as a dummy variable, and that dummy variable exists regardless of what substitutions may or may not have been done to get it to its present form. Think in terms of the dummy variable used in a sum using ∑ notation. Whether it's i or j or something else doesn't matter, including if the index j was a re-index of the index i.

  • @letsimage
    @letsimage Před měsícem

    so, it seems i would fail it

  • @Bjowolf2
    @Bjowolf2 Před 25 dny

    I might have known ;-)

  • @Ahmed-Youcef1959
    @Ahmed-Youcef1959 Před měsícem +1

    20 minutes of viewing to end with a zero . 😀

  • @eartphoze
    @eartphoze Před měsícem

    Awesome job wit facebook

  • @ultrametric9317
    @ultrametric9317 Před měsícem +2

    I was doing this in my head and read it wrong, so I completed the square with the substitution u = (x-2), and ended up with arcsin of -2 and 2, which are imaginary! But the imaginary parts cancel and you get a real number. So that was a fun mistake.

  • @antonior9991
    @antonior9991 Před měsícem +1

    Rewrite the part under the root as 4(1-(x-2)^2/4) and substitute (x-2)/2=tanh t

  • @AnakinSkywalker-zq6lm
    @AnakinSkywalker-zq6lm Před měsícem

    I just did a u sub to get it in a different form (for the thumbnail one)

    • @Ricardo_S
      @Ricardo_S Před měsícem +1

      From what it said in the thumbnail the answer is π
      First √(4x-x²)=√(4-x)*√(x)
      u=√(4-x)
      du=-[1]/[2√(4-x)]dx
      -2du=[1/[√(4-x)]dx
      u²=4-x
      u²-4=-x
      4-u²=x
      √(4-u²)=√(x)
      Change of limits
      u(0)=2
      u(4)=0
      So {0}S{4}([dx]/[√(4x-x²)])=
      {2}S{0}([-2du]/[√(4-u²)])
      We can take the 2 out from the integral, and change the limits of integrations with the negative sign
      2*{0}S{2}([du]/[(4-u²)])
      Now trig substitution
      u=2sin(θ)
      du=2cos(θ)dθ
      θ=arcsin([u]/[2])
      θ(0)=arcsin(0)=0
      θ(2)=arcsin(1)=[π]/[2]
      u²=4sin²(θ)
      4-u²=4-4sin²(θ)=4(1-sin²(θ))=4cos²(θ)
      So
      2*{0}S{[π]/[2]}([2cos(θ)dθ]/[√(4cos²(θ))])=
      2*{0}S{[π]/[2]}([2cos(θ)dθ]/[|2cos(θ)|])
      Because 2cos(θ) its positive on the interval [0,π÷2] |2cos(θ)|=2cos(θ)
      2*{0}S{[π]/[2]}([2cos(θ)dθ]/[2cos(θ)])=
      2*{0}S{[π]/[2]}(dθ)=
      2*θ{[π]/[2]\0}=
      2*([π]/[2]-0)=π

    • @AnakinSkywalker-zq6lm
      @AnakinSkywalker-zq6lm Před měsícem

      @@Ricardo_S my initial u was different I think.
      If I remember correctly I got it into difference of squares by saying:
      u=2+x
      Then du=dx
      And sqrt(x(4-x))= sqrt((2+u)(2-u))
      =sqrt(4-u^2)
      And the rest was trig subs I think.
      You can do both subs at once but I didn’t want to type the whole trig function every time.

  • @lrlp2007
    @lrlp2007 Před měsícem +1

    In my opinion, you have to pay attention to the fact that 0 and 4 are not in the domain of the integrate.

    • @Hiltok
      @Hiltok Před měsícem

      The bounds of integration are indeed 'improper' for this case, but are simply handled by taking them to be limits approached by x.

    • @lrlp2007
      @lrlp2007 Před měsícem

      @@Hiltok Ok, that is true, but I am afraid that the chain of reasoning, as presented by Michel Penn, is no longer valid.

  • @JonibekSharipov-pz6ez
    @JonibekSharipov-pz6ez Před měsícem +1

    thanks a lot from UZBEKISTAN

  • @gregwochlik9233
    @gregwochlik9233 Před měsícem

    Mistake in the thumbnail.

    • @Ricardo_S
      @Ricardo_S Před měsícem

      From what it said in the thumbnail the answer is π
      First √(4x-x²)=√(4-x)*√(x)
      u=√(4-x)
      du=-[1]/[2√(4-x)]dx
      -2du=[1/[√(4-x)]dx
      u²=4-x
      u²-4=-x
      4-u²=x
      √(4-u²)=√(x)
      Change of limits
      u(0)=2
      u(4)=0
      So {0}S{4}([dx]/[√(4x-x²)])=
      {2}S{0}([-2du]/[√(4-u²)])
      We can take the 2 out from the integral, and change the limits of integrations with the negative sign
      2*{0}S{2}([du]/[(4-u²)])
      Now trig substitution
      u=2sin(θ)
      du=2cos(θ)dθ
      θ=arcsin([u]/[2])
      θ(0)=arcsin(0)=0
      θ(2)=arcsin(1)=[π]/[2]
      u²=4sin²(θ)
      4-u²=4-4sin²(θ)=4(1-sin²(θ))=4cos²(θ)
      So
      2*{0}S{[π]/[2]}([2cos(θ)dθ]/[√(4cos²(θ))])=
      2*{0}S{[π]/[2]}([2cos(θ)dθ]/[|2cos(θ)|])
      Because 2cos(θ) its positive on the interval [0,π÷2] |2cos(θ)|=2cos(θ)
      2*{0}S{[π]/[2]}([2cos(θ)dθ]/[2cos(θ)])=
      2*{0}S{[π]/[2]}(dθ)=
      2*θ{[π]/[2]\0}=
      2*([π]/[2]-0)=π

  • @jessedutton3112
    @jessedutton3112 Před měsícem +2

    If you graph 1/sqrt(4x-x^2), it is entirely above the x axis, meaning that it cannot have an integral of 0

    • @5alpha23
      @5alpha23 Před měsícem +3

      Well, if you consider that the thumbnail is wrong and look at the actual function ...
      Did you even watch the video? 😅

    • @GlenMacDonald
      @GlenMacDonald Před 19 dny

      Change the numerator to ln(x) and try again. 🧐

  • @JonibekSharipov-pz6ez
    @JonibekSharipov-pz6ez Před měsícem +1

    2th problems is the key that is KING's Property

  • @DrR0BERT
    @DrR0BERT Před měsícem +1

    Aren't these integrals improper? Shouldn't that be part of the conversation? It drives me up a wall that being improper is just ignored. I have students that gloss over this fact so many times. In Michael's integrals here, it ultimately doesn't matter. But in general it does.

  • @NOOBgamer-dn9zl
    @NOOBgamer-dn9zl Před měsícem

    20 sec

  • @user-hm2gb6pm6b
    @user-hm2gb6pm6b Před 28 dny

    English is impressed with tamil ! Grandfathers and babies learn maths ?

  • @erfanmohagheghian707
    @erfanmohagheghian707 Před měsícem +1

    More than half the video was a waste! Just set x-2=2cos(theta) and go from there.

  • @gerdweissenborn
    @gerdweissenborn Před 12 dny

    sin⁡(u+π/2)= cos ⁡u