The Founding Mothers of the USA, 2: Martha Jefferson & Sally Hemings

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    We hear a great deal about the ingenious and venerated founding fathers of the United States of America. But women in colonial America also rose up in many ways to support the cause of independence for the United States. In this four part series we will learn about the lives of the founding mothers of the United States of America.
    Part 1:
    Deborah Read Franklin
    Martha Washington
    Abigail Adams
    Part 2:
    Martha Wayles Jefferson
    Sally Hemings
    Part 3:
    Elizabeth Schuyler Hamilton
    Sarah Livingston Jay
    Dolley Madison
    Part 4:
    Mercy Otis Warren
    Esther DeBerdt Reed
    Phillis Wheatley
    Angelica Schuyler Church
    Deborah Sampson
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    Sources:
    Roberts, Cokie. Founding Mothers: The Women Who Raised Our Nation. Harper Collins Press, 2004.
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Komentáře • 827

  • @aeasley0808
    @aeasley0808 Před 3 lety +889

    I love your videos, but when a slave master has a sexual relationship with one who is enslaved it’s rape, not an affair-there’s a clear power imbalance. Lets start normalising this language instead

    • @angelsmusic2560
      @angelsmusic2560 Před 3 lety +87

      Not just because she was a slave, she was 14. If they were the same age maybe there is a power imbalance but she was 14 he was 45. So...

    • @tiffanyferguson829
      @tiffanyferguson829 Před 3 lety +80

      @@angelsmusic2560 He was wrong on so many accounts. Just completely gross if you ask me.

    • @sansdr.philpillow9347
      @sansdr.philpillow9347 Před 3 lety +42

      @Peppermint Snowdrift To be fair, we do know she was 14. 14 year olds can't consent. I can't imagine a scenario where it wouldn't be rape due to her age.

    • @candicehoneycutt4318
      @candicehoneycutt4318 Před 3 lety +44

      Random Username In modern standards, it would absolutely be rape. At the time, there really wasn't one defined age of consent like there is now. States could set their own ages of consent and most of the set ages were like 10-12 until the end of the 1800s, although Delaware set theirs to 7 for some ungodly reason. Legally, she could have consented because she was 14, but it's rape any way you slice it.
      She was his legal property and the law didn't care, unfortunately. She would have to have been a literal child for him to have been held accountable for what he did to her (if she was lucky). What he did was absolutely wrong and inexcusable, but it was technically legal, which is the worst part.

    • @niwreyentihw1496
      @niwreyentihw1496 Před 3 lety +32

      @@candicehoneycutt4318 exactly! Just because it's law, doesn't make it moral. Unfortunately, we still deal with similar issues today.

  • @Delinaaaa22
    @Delinaaaa22 Před 3 lety +810

    Jefferson was a man by far removed from his own conscience. He raped his 14 year old slave, caused her to bare 6 children for him that he then enslaved, never acknowledged nor accepted, imagine what thoughts went through his "mixed kids" minds whilst they was made to serve their "white" siblings, they may have had different mothers, but he was the biological father to them all!! what a wicked man. He was shy on the surface but his ruthlessness ran deep. He made that young girl and her kids suffer, he made their lives a living misery. There is no love story here, just years of abuse to Sally and his own children...

    • @m.m.5286
      @m.m.5286 Před 3 lety +88

      yes, came here to say this .. there was no "love affair" or "lover" status involved.

    • @Delinaaaa22
      @Delinaaaa22 Před 3 lety +82

      @@m.m.5286 Many try to put "ribbons and bow clips" on this story to "pretty" things up, however there is nothing pretty about this story, they are gaslighted by Jeffersons clear cognitive dissonance because he wrote the declaration of independence! How are all men free? Whilst enslaving your own flesh and blood? We all have a conscience which tells us what is right and wrong...

    • @tomthumb7939
      @tomthumb7939 Před 3 lety +10

      "caused her to bare 6 children for him" I think you meant *bear* 6 children. Bare means: "uncover (a part of the body or other thing) and expose it to view". Admittedly, he might have demanded that too.

    • @Delinaaaa22
      @Delinaaaa22 Před 3 lety +43

      @@tomthumb7939 it's a typo error, however the correct word is "bore 6 kids" not bear lol yes he did make those demands to expose her body...

    • @Courtneybenson907
      @Courtneybenson907 Před 3 lety +44

      I know, every time I read or hear about him, I am just disgusted. I am a biracial woman, I have a black mother and a white father, it used to make me think of what would have happened to me and my siblings if we were alive then. I absolutely refuse to celebrate a statutory rapist who enslaved his own children.

  • @derickgoh5272
    @derickgoh5272 Před 3 lety +629

    Everybody repeat after me :
    SALLY DESERVED BETTER!!!!
    [ Thanks for the 500 likes! ]

  • @LosMuertosNegros
    @LosMuertosNegros Před 3 lety +574

    They did not have affairs, the would constitute consent, this was not the case with enslaved women. They had no choice!

    • @sherryd.9199
      @sherryd.9199 Před 3 lety +39

      Prisma Alvarez “They had no choice” = rape!

    • @nicolerogers2208
      @nicolerogers2208 Před 3 lety +36

      Yes let’s stop trying to romanticize slavery he raped and abused a 14 year old girl he owned no matter what Hollywood tries to tell you he raped his slave

    • @logicalbullshit
      @logicalbullshit Před 3 lety +8

      @Carolynska S Female slaves didn’t have the right to refuse unwanted sexual advances. In Paris, at 16, she agreed to return to enslavement to get certain privileges for herself and her children. That’s how her children got their freedom. Plus she never got any freedom. She wasn’t a lover, she was a rape victim.

    • @logicalbullshit
      @logicalbullshit Před 3 lety +5

      @Carolynska SShe negotiated with Jefferson to return back to enslavement in America for privileges for her unborn children and some for herself. And she got pregnant in Paris, that’s the point.

    • @logicalbullshit
      @logicalbullshit Před 3 lety +2

      @Carolynska S He came home and raped her, stop romanticizing a rapist. They were freed because Sally negotiated with Jefferson to return to enslavement years before.

  • @leilaakhand117
    @leilaakhand117 Před 3 lety +225

    Just aced a midterm. This is a perfect way to come down from all that adrenaline!

  • @areiaaphrodite
    @areiaaphrodite Před 3 lety +400

    Honestly, Thomas Jefferson was a good husband to Martha and seemed to really love her. However, hearing Sally Hemmings' family history of the women in her family being used as enslaved concubines/bedfellows, is so sad.

    • @--enyo--
      @--enyo-- Před 3 lety +71

      @Jason Bailey I can't acknowledge anything 'good' about slavery and rape, any less than I can acknowledge the genocide committed in my own country of Indigenous people as 'good'. It's hard to be civil about something that is still causing huge social disparities and has implications to the present day because we just like to gloss over it and not properly address it.

    • @danaelizabeth4751
      @danaelizabeth4751 Před 3 lety +22

      @Jason Bailey why remember the good things when the bad things are much, much worse, rendering the good basically meaningless.

    • @Miabia1000
      @Miabia1000 Před 3 lety +28

      @Jason Bailey there is no good in slave holding what

    • @onewayticket2148
      @onewayticket2148 Před 3 lety +31

      @Jason Bailey dude obviously people remember the "good", it was literally the founding of our country. Every student from elementary to highschool is taught only the "good". Believe it not, it's the bad that gets glossed over. I took ap world history, and ap us history, and never in class did my teacher go over the reprehensible actions of our founding fathers. The only reason I know about the bad is because, I choose to research further than what the textbooks said. I get your point about remembering both the good and bad, but it's important to acknowledge that for most of history up until now, only the good has been acknowledged.

    • @est9949
      @est9949 Před 3 lety +9

      A father who enslaved his own kids. Not to mention a rapist. Wow. People were so fucked up back then (we're still half fucked up now but..)

  • @CaitlinSk
    @CaitlinSk Před 3 lety +122

    Instead of saying "slave trader" lets call them what they were "Human traffickers"

    • @idontgiveafaboutyou
      @idontgiveafaboutyou Před 3 lety +7

      Isn’t it the same thing

    • @tonyjohn984
      @tonyjohn984 Před 3 lety

      *+2348124002333 ... this is the number of a very powerful spell caster who helped bring me my ex-husband, who left me for years and now my ex-husband has come back to me, .....* 💌❤.. ❤

    • @Cynnas
      @Cynnas Před 3 lety +6

      I get what you're saying but putting it in the context of history slave trader makes it sounds a million times worse which it was. Chattle slavery is not the same as human trafficking.

  • @FlowIrec
    @FlowIrec Před 3 lety +256

    Great video, as always. I do have one critique....
    I understand that you can't say the word "rape" due to CZcams's algorithm. Perhaps you could word it as a "non-consensual relationship", something like that. Because that's exactly what it was. Slave girls had no right to resist their master's sexual advances, so she was hardly a mistress.

    • @jackienicole7477
      @jackienicole7477 Před 2 lety +17

      Thanks for pointing this out. I feel like this comment was helpful. She did say that there is no proof it was consensual, but history shows us it likely was not. Sally had no choice in the matter.

    • @neilnelmar8007
      @neilnelmar8007 Před 2 lety +1

      It wasn't rape ,stop talking rubbish

    • @kazearaki853
      @kazearaki853 Před 2 lety +1

      @@jackienicole7477 You're inserting modern day standard into the mindset of people back then. The relationship was certainly not consensual because she had no say in it. But that alone doesn't mean she did not want to be his mistress. People are always calculating to increase their chance of survival, that's just biology 101, and at the time the notion of romantic love is not prevalent. It's not difficult to picture Sally "consenting" to the relationship for her own survival needs.

    • @yung1717
      @yung1717 Před 2 lety

      @@kazearaki853 that’s ridiculous she was owned by him and raped by his father in law. There was no consent. are you well mentally?

    • @annabellelee4535
      @annabellelee4535 Před rokem

      Sally made the decision to stay with Thomas Jefferson in France. She was free in France. It was her decision to stay with him and return to the US.

  • @wandaholmes7125
    @wandaholmes7125 Před 3 lety +129

    As a slave once said, you either laid down or they put you down by force. Sally Hemmings had no choice. The family left behind caught Hell if a slave took their freedom.

    • @godssara6758
      @godssara6758 Před rokem

      except the DNA evidence of Sally's first born son conceived in France was proven NOT to be of the Jefferson male line by the DNA test. Tom Woodson was not of the Jefferson line..
      The two that were, were born in 1805 and 08 of the Jefferson line could have been any of 8 Jefferson males that were there. Sally born in 1773 would have been 31/32 and 33/34. Thomas Jefferson would have been 63 and 65 at the time which is possible however more unlikely. No Viagra then. More likely it was Jefferson's younger brother or nephew

    • @nbenefiel
      @nbenefiel Před 4 měsíci +2

      In his original copy of the Declaration, Jefferson included a paragraph forbidding slavery in the new United States of America. This was removed from the declaration by the second Continental Congress because they feared that the South would not fight with them if slavery was abolished. In his will, Jefferson supported both Sally Hemings and all of her children. He hated slavery. He inherited over 600 slaves. Under Virginia law, any freed slave must be supplied with adequate funds to leave the state and never return. Jefferson was always land rich but cash poor. This law was later changed to forbid freeing slaves at all. Jefferson did manage to free all of his slaves in his will. I believe he truly loved Sally Hemings. His affair with her began after his wife died in childbirth, along with his son. By law, Jefferson could not marry Sally but he was faithful to her all of his life.

    • @mmmmmmmmmmmmokay9819
      @mmmmmmmmmmmmokay9819 Před 3 měsíci

      ​@nbenefiel, there was no affair. The weak evidence is held up above other primary sources for political reasons. The likely culprit it Thomas Jefferson brother who often socialized with the slaves

    • @mmmmmmmmmmmmokay9819
      @mmmmmmmmmmmmokay9819 Před 3 měsíci

      Take into account jeffersons personal feelings about slavery and the incompatibility of black and whites cohabitation. Something never expressed in depth by his eccentric brother.

    • @Freethinker548
      @Freethinker548 Před měsícem

      @@nbenefiel you want to sanitize this man’s image so bad. He was a pedophile who owned people. Get a grip

  • @jbos5107
    @jbos5107 Před 3 lety +108

    Is anyone else thinking "old pervert"?

  • @AliciaNyblade
    @AliciaNyblade Před 3 lety +168

    Okay, the skewed power balance of a much older master and teenage slave girl made Jefferson and Hemings' relationship gross enough. But the fact that Thomas was so grief-stricken by his wife's death and then turned to Sally, who was his wife's half-sister and "looked so much like her", takes things up to a whole other psychological level. Their whole relationship was messed up and really sad.

    • @Cynnas
      @Cynnas Před 3 lety +20

      I've done genealogy for the last 20 years. You'd be surprised how many times I've see a widowed man marry his sister-in-law. I've even see one divorced man marry his sister-in-law.
      Romantic love wasn't always the priority in such relationships.

    • @godssara6758
      @godssara6758 Před rokem

      except the DNA evidence of Sally's first born son conceived in France was disproven by the DNA test. Tom Woodson was not of the Jefferson line..
      The two that were born in 1805 and 08 of the Jefferson line could have been any of 8 Jefferson males that were there. Thomas Jefferson would have been 63 and 65 at the time which is possible however more unlikely. No Viagra then. More likely it was Jefferson's younger brother or nephew

    • @lolodee3528
      @lolodee3528 Před rokem +7

      These ideas may seem gross to you, however, few could afford the luxury of feelings. Their circumstances were paramount. What protection could be afforded Sally if simply freed with a newborn in a strange country? A country nearly in utter revolt.

    • @AliciaNyblade
      @AliciaNyblade Před rokem +17

      @@lolodee3528 No, no, no, no. What we're not going to do is try to justify a grown-ass man preying on a much younger enslaved person for sex and emotional companionship. That's not okay, no matter the time period or circumstances.
      And trying to excuse it with, "Well, Sally couldn't have been freed because she would've suffered a more difficult life!" is really telling of you when I didn't mention anything about her being freed. Should she have been freed? Absolutely. She never should've been a slave in the first place. But if she HAD to stay, she could have remained in the household working for Jefferson without him abusing the power he had over her.

    • @annabellelee4535
      @annabellelee4535 Před rokem +3

      Sally loved Thomas Jefferson and Jefferson loved her. She could have left him while they were in France where she was free, and she did not.

  • @BuzziestofBees
    @BuzziestofBees Před 3 lety +61

    These women paved the road for people to spark the fight for women’s rights!

    • @BuzziestofBees
      @BuzziestofBees Před 3 lety +13

      Smurfette Did It: it is not delusion it’s called history read about it. Period.

    • @yung1717
      @yung1717 Před 2 lety

      White women maybe

  • @IngridAsInBergman
    @IngridAsInBergman Před 3 lety +382

    These slave owners did not “have affairs”, “take concubines” or “take lovers” with the enslaved Black women on their plantations. They were seen and treated as property. They were repeatedly raped in power dynamics based on collusion, force and sacrifices for their safety and that of their enslaved children. I typically like your content but this content is SO disappointing and irresponsible. These are not romantic stories. Their history are stories of rape patriarchy and rape capitalism.

    • @reeme6315
      @reeme6315 Před 3 lety +56

      Exactly!! I always hate it when history is told this way. A human being who is owned by another person CANNOT consent. It wasn’t an affair, it was rape. This needs to be stressed. There is a great video by Renegade that covers the lives of the founding fathers and emphasizes this point and addresses the issue.

    • @--enyo--
      @--enyo-- Před 3 lety +41

      Yeah. It's rape. It was deeply troubling to hear.

    • @LosMuertosNegros
      @LosMuertosNegros Před 3 lety +28

      YESSSSSSSSS I was going to say the same damn thing! They did not have affairs. The would constitute consent, this was not the case with enslaved women. They had no choice!

    • @lomurray4069
      @lomurray4069 Před 3 lety +9

      You are right. I take back what I wrote earlier. I guess it does not matter how others try to say it , we will never be satisfied. Lol. It is a gut hit to us knowing she had no choice, and our first response is to attack. Sorry! Here’s a name. Ida B Wells.

    • @kgomotsosekonya9435
      @kgomotsosekonya9435 Před 3 lety +9

      Thank you ! Every time people say stuff like that it makes me sick

  • @Kaylee8000
    @Kaylee8000 Před 3 lety +294

    Ugh our history is so disgusting.... that poor girl.

    • @jacaerys4
      @jacaerys4 Před 3 lety +23

      That’s why we are better now because we acknowledge it unlike before

    • @latosharenee707
      @latosharenee707 Před 3 lety +10

      @@jacaerys4 Are we better though?

    • @jacaerys4
      @jacaerys4 Před 3 lety +19

      Latosha Renée For the most part. But we are improving by recognizing the mistakes of our past

    • @latosharenee707
      @latosharenee707 Před 3 lety +21

      @@jacaerys4 Well as a black woman in America we will have to agree to disagree.

    • @ivylasangrienta6093
      @ivylasangrienta6093 Před 3 lety +1

      She and thousands like her. So gross.

  • @picklesthewise
    @picklesthewise Před 3 lety +109

    As much as you can say that Jefferson did amazing things to promote American democracy, what happened with Sally Hemmings was vile and should not be glossed over. I'm as disappointed as anyone else, but it is the truth. He was a great (in his abilities) and yet terrible man.
    Also, it's like when I found out as a teenager that my historical crush, Potemkin, had sexual relationships with his own nieces, possibly having groomed them since childhood. I was absolutely devastated and I didn't want to give up my ideas of who the man was - brilliant, intelligent, funny and charming, from everything positive that had been written about him - but I realized that it is both possible that he was all of those things, and yet still capable of doing evil things like that. We're seeing that so often in the modern day with celebrities' behavior coming to light, and it's a thing we have to get our heads around and not ignore.

    • @RandomBeing101
      @RandomBeing101 Před 2 lety +1

      I don't think you understand anything more about American history, social science or human nature works...

    • @picklesthewise
      @picklesthewise Před 2 lety +3

      @@RandomBeing101 You mean I can't possibly understand 'more' because I know so much already? Thank you so much!

    • @RandomBeing101
      @RandomBeing101 Před 2 lety

      @@picklesthewise No, I mean you don't.

    • @picklesthewise
      @picklesthewise Před 2 lety +3

      @@RandomBeing101 Don't need to know more? Great, glad you confirmed that!

    • @RandomBeing101
      @RandomBeing101 Před 2 lety

      @@picklesthewise Okay, I can pretty much tell that you're pulling my leg here...

  • @displacerkatsidhe
    @displacerkatsidhe Před 3 lety +250

    "Mistress" and "affair"... yeah...okay >>'

    • @simrenbajaj6000
      @simrenbajaj6000 Před 3 lety +18

      She can’t say rape on a YT or it gets demonetized

    • @6InchTruth
      @6InchTruth Před 2 lety +14

      @@simrenbajaj6000 the point could've been made without saying "mistress" or "affair" it's not that difficult.

    • @simrenbajaj6000
      @simrenbajaj6000 Před 2 lety +3

      @@6InchTruth I agree

    • @neilnelmar8007
      @neilnelmar8007 Před 2 lety

      @@6InchTruth because that was what she was ;a mistress and a slave.

    • @carlosrdz5208
      @carlosrdz5208 Před 2 lety +1

      @@neilnelmar8007 She was a slave, she wasn’t out in the fields but she was still working for them in other aspects, that doesn’t mean she isn’t a slave.

  • @Lauren.E.O
    @Lauren.E.O Před 3 lety +40

    The frequency of pregnancies and high infant mortality back then, plus the higher chance of post-childbirth infection...those poor women.

  • @shortie0414
    @shortie0414 Před 3 lety +183

    Ok so first, I absolutely love this channel! But if Sally Humings was 14 when she was sent to France, she did not “start a sexually relationship” with anyone. It’s sad.

    • @here_we_go_again2571
      @here_we_go_again2571 Před rokem +4

      Back in those days it was
      "Old enough to bleed =
      Old enough to breed"
      Marriage at 14 to 18
      was the norm for most
      girls/women prior to
      the early 20th century
      in Europe/America.
      Child brides are very
      common in Muslim
      and other soceities
      in this day and age!
      Slavery is also common
      in Muslim societies.
      Why? Because
      Muhammad did it.

    • @DarkBrandonForever
      @DarkBrandonForever Před rokem +1

      @@here_we_go_again2571 you're a slim ball.

    • @andrewkwon2808
      @andrewkwon2808 Před rokem +8

      @here
      Regardless of age of consent. Sally Hemmings was an enslaved human. Being a slave you have no right to consent. So for the CZcamsr Lindsay to state that Sally Hemmings “started” a sexual relations is still a disgusting statement. Also nice little rant on the religion of Islam and Muslim. You know if you’re gonna be racist and say you hate Muslims just say it as opposed to hiding behind being “informational”.

    • @godssara6758
      @godssara6758 Před rokem

      @@andrewkwon2808 except the DNA evidence of Sally's first born son conceived in France was proven NOT to be of the Jefferson male line by the DNA test. Tom Woodson was not of the Jefferson line..
      The two that were, were born in 1805 and 08 of the Jefferson line could have been any of 8 Jefferson males that were there. Sally born in 1773 would have been 31/32 and 33/34. Thomas Jefferson would have been 63 and 65 at the time which is possible however more unlikely. No Viagra then. More likely it was Jefferson's younger brother or nephew

    • @godssara6758
      @godssara6758 Před rokem

      @@here_we_go_again2571 and in most of Africa too.
      The DNA evidence of Sally's first born son conceived in France was proven NOT to be of the Jefferson male line by the DNA test. Tom Woodson was not of the Jefferson line..
      The two that were, were born in 1805 and 08 of the Jefferson line could have been any of 8 Jefferson males that were there. Sally born in 1773 would have been 31/32 and 33/34. Thomas Jefferson would have been 63 and 65 at the time which is possible however more unlikely. No Viagra then. More likely it was Jefferson's younger brother or nephew

  • @VasilikiTzalachanihappy
    @VasilikiTzalachanihappy Před 3 lety +156

    I would love to read more about Sally Hemmings' descendents.
    And great video as always!

    • @80Charper
      @80Charper Před 3 lety +27

      The Hemingses of Monticello: An American Family is a good read about Sally Hemming and the history of her family. It’s a long one but an extensive history.

    • @msvalarnett
      @msvalarnett Před 3 lety +14

      There’s an Oprah show from 1998 (?) that interviewed both Martha & Sally’s descendants

    • @godssara6758
      @godssara6758 Před rokem

      @@80Charper the DNA evidence of Sally's first born son conceived in France was proven NOT to be of the Jefferson male line by the DNA test. Tom Woodson was not of the Jefferson line.. this disproves some of the oral history they passed down.
      The two that were of the Jefferson line were born in 1805 and 08 could have been any of 8 Jefferson males that were there. Sally born in 1773 would have been 31/32 and 33/34. Thomas Jefferson would have been 63 and 65 at the time which is possible however more unlikely. No Viagra then. More likely it was Jefferson's younger brother or nephew
      So some of the history is not accurate

    • @godssara6758
      @godssara6758 Před rokem +1

      @@msvalarnett except the DNA evidence of Sally's first born son conceived in France was proven NOT to be of the Jefferson male line by the DNA test. Tom Woodson was not of the Jefferson line..
      The two that were, were born in 1805 and 08 of the Jefferson line could have been any of 8 Jefferson males that were there. Sally born in 1773 would have been 31/32 and 33/34. Thomas Jefferson would have been 63 and 65 at the time which is possible however more unlikely. No Viagra then. More likely it was Jefferson's younger brother or nephew

  • @stephaniejohnson583
    @stephaniejohnson583 Před 3 lety +109

    I love that you don’t sugar coat our history. As with all history of mankind, there is good and bad mixed in. It does injustice to our story to deny either. We can’t change it, but we can acknowledge it for what it is, and work to prevent its repeat.

    • @Evenine
      @Evenine Před 3 lety +1

      This, But Unironic

    • @displacerkatsidhe
      @displacerkatsidhe Před 3 lety +49

      Considering she calls Sally Jefferson's mistress and said Martha's father had an "affair" with Betty, I'd say, she's sugar coating.

    • @Evenine
      @Evenine Před 3 lety

      @@displacerkatsidhe This, But Unironically

    • @hamiltonhyla
      @hamiltonhyla Před 3 lety +5

      DisplacerKatSidhe YES! IT WAS VERY COMMON FOR SLAVEOWNERS TO RAPE THEIR YOUNG SLAVES

    • @stephaniejohnson583
      @stephaniejohnson583 Před 3 lety +8

      DisplacerKatSidhe she also points out that the affairs may have been consensual or forced, but we don’t know because that information was never written or spoken by the individual women involved. Some slave women knew their lives and those of their children would be easier if they gave in to their white masters. Unfortunately, this concept is something that women have had to confront for centuries. You don’t get to decide what they felt or chose to do, neither does Lindsey. But she does acknowledge that there were often two roads for women to choose, and if they didn’t leave us their thoughts, we simply don’t know.

  • @joannedenney5608
    @joannedenney5608 Před 3 lety +84

    Would love for a TV series or film to be done about Sally.

    • @melmel4712
      @melmel4712 Před 3 lety +13

      There was a film released in the 1990s called "Jefferson in Paris."

    • @battlegirldeb
      @battlegirldeb Před 3 lety +12

      @JoanneDenney There is a TV Mini Series made in 2000. "Sally Hemings An American Scandal "

    • @AfroArmy
      @AfroArmy Před 3 lety +5

      There are a couple and they are outstanding.

    • @wandaholmes7125
      @wandaholmes7125 Před 3 lety

      They did 2 fairy tales some years back.

    • @idontgiveafaboutyou
      @idontgiveafaboutyou Před 3 lety

      They did but I can’t find it anywhere :(

  • @diosnelfrica590
    @diosnelfrica590 Před 3 lety +34

    Wait, so you’re telling me that Sally was Martha’s half sister? What a creepy situation.

  • @robertabarboza6688
    @robertabarboza6688 Před 3 lety +107

    You pronounced "rape" wrong.

    • @angelsmusic2560
      @angelsmusic2560 Před 3 lety +12

      You are not allowed to say the word rape on youtube.

    • @robertabarboza6688
      @robertabarboza6688 Před 3 lety +5

      @@angelsmusic2560 You are missing the point.

    • @angelsmusic2560
      @angelsmusic2560 Před 3 lety +5

      @@robertabarboza6688 No I am not. I get your point but I disagree.

    • @robertabarboza6688
      @robertabarboza6688 Před 3 lety +4

      @@angelsmusic2560 What am I saying, then?

    • @brianaschmidt910
      @brianaschmidt910 Před 2 lety

      @@angelsmusic2560 it's part of a joke to say that it's actually rape even if it wasn't specified.

  • @Lauren.E.O
    @Lauren.E.O Před 3 lety +31

    Since slavery was illegal in France, I wonder if any of Jefferson’s slaves ran when they had the chance. Not that likely if they didn’t speak French, but still...

  • @yourmotherahha9486
    @yourmotherahha9486 Před 3 lety +34

    Always when I'm in band class damnit

  • @rachelconsoli8428
    @rachelconsoli8428 Před 3 lety +52

    Yo I had no idea Sally Hemings was actually Martha’s half-sister...as if this story could get any more twisted...

    • @SheBeastJehanne
      @SheBeastJehanne Před 3 lety +14

      Yeah Jefferson's black descendents sued to have their ancestry legally recognized so they could be buried at Monticello, so they did a DNA test and discovered that they were even more closely related than what would've been seen had they just been descended from Jefferson.

    • @ashleyborges656
      @ashleyborges656 Před 2 lety +2

      Martha and Sally half siblings, Martha and her 3rd cousin Jefferson courted

    • @lalad.934
      @lalad.934 Před 3 měsíci +2

      Back in the days they kept it all in the family.... And in some cultures this is still practiced so in the end we are all related as gross and weird as that may seem lol

  • @terrirobinson3876
    @terrirobinson3876 Před 3 lety +11

    I am loving this series! Thank you for including Sally Hemings. Her story needs to come out of the shadows and be told.

    • @tonyjohn984
      @tonyjohn984 Před 3 lety +1

      *+2348124002333 ... this is the number of a very powerful spell caster who helped bring me my ex-husband, who left me for years and now my ex-husband has come back to me, .....* 💌❤

  • @happyblacklegends
    @happyblacklegends Před 3 lety +66

    Thomas Jefferson was a freak ✨

    • @Evenine
      @Evenine Před 3 lety +6

      Ain't that the truth

    • @idontgiveafaboutyou
      @idontgiveafaboutyou Před 3 lety +1

      Looks like the tiktok emoji brigade infiltrates the CZcams comments. Am I gonna get a “no❤️” next?

    • @auroramacula
      @auroramacula Před 3 lety +2

      @@idontgiveafaboutyou Yes❤️

    • @Cynnas
      @Cynnas Před 3 lety +1

      Most very wealthy men are, they can afford to be.

    • @geraldblount4159
      @geraldblount4159 Před rokem

      He was a rapist a racist rapist he knew that girl was sisters with his wife

  • @Ellaslookingglass
    @Ellaslookingglass Před 3 lety +11

    Ive been waiting for the part two
    Thanks Lindsay 💗💗💗
    Subscribed and notifications
    Im 15 and listening to you makes learning about history do much more relaxing and interesting

  • @riverajoseph81
    @riverajoseph81 Před 3 lety +15

    I really enjoyed this video. Thank you for educating me on what US history in school failed to do so.

  • @alliewashere5137
    @alliewashere5137 Před 3 lety +7

    A teacher at the middle school I went to was a descendant of Sally Hemings and Thomas Jefferson.

  • @ShinbiBelldandy
    @ShinbiBelldandy Před 3 lety +45

    Our history books need to be rewritten to be truthful. Unpopular opinion here but I'm not mad at Lindsay's narration. While it's true she can't say certain words because the video will be demonetized (which to me is a form of oppression. Not everyone is a damn makeup guru), those are words that were used at the time. I doubt she in any way condones what happened & she did note that Sally had no choice. Unfortunately a lot of movies & TV shows romanticize slave & owner relationships as forbidden love affairs & I'm sure that's not the way it went.

  • @emily_m7001
    @emily_m7001 Před 3 lety +43

    I’d almost argue Martha Jefferson Randolph had as much as an impact as her mother, if not more, in her father’s life and in the United States as a ‘founding mother’

    • @deborahalissa
      @deborahalissa Před 2 lety

      That's your conclusion. Euroammer jammer jamming genocide down our throats. 🤡💩🤷🏼🤷🏼💯

  • @jessicamorton9316
    @jessicamorton9316 Před 3 lety +13

    I got it during my art class lol
    I love how she puts every little detail into her videos keep it going ms holiday

  • @maxgutman1849
    @maxgutman1849 Před 3 lety +11

    I am excited for Elizabeth Schuyler Hamilton

  • @sananoor6616
    @sananoor6616 Před 3 lety +18

    I haven’t watched it yet but I know it will be great !!

  • @obamastansuit
    @obamastansuit Před 3 lety +38

    I am a young black Virginian, my mothers entire lineage goes back to the time of early settlement in Jamestown and it is sadly well known that we are descendants of Thomas Jefferson. What I did NOT know is that it was his wife’s sister and truly disgusts me! (Along with everything else lmfao)

    • @dawnemile7499
      @dawnemile7499 Před rokem

      Many girls of 14 and younger married in royal families. As long as they could give birth that's all that mattered.

    • @dawnemile7499
      @dawnemile7499 Před rokem +1

      DNA confirms all rumors of ancestry.

  • @triciaannedeguzman7460
    @triciaannedeguzman7460 Před 3 lety +20

    Really love this series :)

  • @racheldianeames3729
    @racheldianeames3729 Před 3 lety +25

    Please do a video on the descendants of Thomas Jefferson and sally hemmings

  • @MissMika_Mille90s
    @MissMika_Mille90s Před 3 lety +4

    I hope everyone appreciates the fact Lindsay is sharing history with us during this time.

    • @tonyjohn984
      @tonyjohn984 Před 3 lety

      *+2348124002333 ... this is the number of a very powerful spell caster who helped bring me my ex-husband, who left me for years and now my ex-husband has come back to me, .....* 💌❤.. ❤

  • @cassandraralph5906
    @cassandraralph5906 Před 3 lety +5

    Fascinating and interesting video! I learned new things today! Thank you so much! Well done indeed!

  • @nastyleon5857
    @nastyleon5857 Před 3 lety +17

    Amazing series Lindsay ✨

  • @aprilbrown8790
    @aprilbrown8790 Před 3 lety +3

    Thank you for going into detail about Sally Hemings

  • @80KLady
    @80KLady Před 3 lety +2

    I really love when you make videos focused on American history

  • @ishitascreativespace2180
    @ishitascreativespace2180 Před 3 lety +13

    Hi Lindsay! I just love your videos. Also, could you do videos of victorian era and post world War era?
    Wish you further success .

  • @kevinconrad6156
    @kevinconrad6156 Před 3 lety +22

    You need a part 5 for Mary Washington, none of these women have a university named for them.

  • @faytsampouri1466
    @faytsampouri1466 Před 3 lety

    Your research and narration keeps me engrossed and awed.,thank you

  • @Kel8080
    @Kel8080 Před 3 lety

    I just love your videos so much! Keep up the good work!

  • @robinhumphrey2692
    @robinhumphrey2692 Před 3 lety +4

    Thanks so much for these wonderful videos!!!!! Hugs from Sheridan, WY. USA!

  • @celiajohnson2513
    @celiajohnson2513 Před 3 lety +1

    Thank you for your historical accuracy ❤️ my Fave history CZcamsr

  • @caitlinr1800
    @caitlinr1800 Před 3 lety +201

    I’m really disappointed to hear Lindsay using language like “lovers”, “affair”, “concubine” when describing the horrors perpetrated onto enslaved women. It’s actually pretty devastating. I understand a desire to remain impartial, but condemning the actions of slave owners, men AND women (notably a lot of these women in this series were slave owners), is a privilege that we have, living now. It’s important for us not to sweep it under the rug as “Everyone was doing it at the time”, and we confront our past head on and take accountability for perpetuating the ‘hero’ narratives of these horrible people. Because not everyone was doing it at the time, abolitionists were alive and kicking at the time of the founding of America. People knew what was right. Lindsay, it sucks that you’re putting these people on a pedestal, and it makes me question the narratives you sell in your other European content too.

    • @SmittnKittn007
      @SmittnKittn007 Před 3 lety +44

      Keep in mind if she used the word “rape” in this video to describe the relationship this may have been demonetized. She used certain words that pointed in that direction probably to keep that from happened. Even the word “assault” said in a video can lead to a demonetization.

    • @caitlinr1800
      @caitlinr1800 Před 3 lety +36

      Eboneye Sure, demonetisation is a huge issue and I understand why she wouldn’t have wanted to include language like rape or assault, but calling an enslaved person a “lover” or saying they “had an affair” is pointedly erasing unacceptable, non consensual behaviours of the men she’s referring to. She says “we don’t know the nature of the relationship” and she’s right, but absolutely brushes over how young Sally was, or how the law of inheriting the mothers status as a slave was purposefully crafted for these situations. I just think it’s a shame that so much important context is removed from a video that is supposed to be shining a light on these women.

    • @creamymarshmxllow2830
      @creamymarshmxllow2830 Před 3 lety +12

      What other words could Lindsay have used anyway? It would probably be better if she didn’t do a video on this topic so she would be blasted by everybody in this comment section.

    • @MissMika_Mille90s
      @MissMika_Mille90s Před 3 lety +13

      @Peppa Pig Fan I noticed a lot of people making comments towards her language and I find it sad. Lindsay should be able to be to share some history without people going at her like that tbh. I understand some history is dark and just down right disgusting, but I agree with you. Also, love your pfp x3

    • @maplesyrup6052
      @maplesyrup6052 Před 3 lety +19

      @@creamymarshmxllow2830 she couldve used the word "force himself on her" or something like that if she did not want to use the word "rape" there were ways around demonitizing but she refused to tell the whole truth and sugar coated it

  • @wrongsalvation8904
    @wrongsalvation8904 Před 3 lety +1

    I love that you do this. I have literally my entire life how to track down female historical figures and when I found information it is been pretty sparse. The fact that you go into it so deeply gives me hope for the future and has made it much easier to teach my own daughter who is 9 years old about powerful strong women throughout history. I love it. Could you tackle female Artisans through history next?

    • @tonyjohn984
      @tonyjohn984 Před 3 lety

      *+2348124002333 ... this is the number of a very powerful spell caster who helped bring me my ex-husband, who left me for years and now my ex-husband has come back to me, .....* 💌❤

  • @erikaleonard2848
    @erikaleonard2848 Před 3 lety +2

    Love watching these shows! I'm always grumpy when they end 🥰

  • @betsyromero5248
    @betsyromero5248 Před 3 lety +8

    YEES I can't wait for you to do Eliza 💖💖💖

  • @graycloud057
    @graycloud057 Před 3 lety +4

    You did quite well. I really enjoyed this.

    • @tonyjohn984
      @tonyjohn984 Před 3 lety

      *+2348124002333 ... this is the number of a very powerful spell caster who helped bring me my ex-husband, who left me for years and now my ex-husband has come back to me, .....* 💌❤

  • @NoirEtBlanc86
    @NoirEtBlanc86 Před 3 lety +2

    This was well done. Thank you!

    • @tonyjohn984
      @tonyjohn984 Před 3 lety

      *+2348124002333 ... this is the number of a very powerful spell caster who helped bring me my ex-husband, who left me for years and now my ex-husband has come back to me, .....* 💌❤.. ❤

  • @ellaw356
    @ellaw356 Před 3 lety +4

    Love the founding mothers series!,

  • @natalierose1072
    @natalierose1072 Před 3 lety +11

    EDIT: to clarify I think Lindsey did an excellent job on this video, especially when she explained the dynamic between Sally and Jefferson I just think in these types of situations it needs to be called out for exactly what it was.
    Affair would not be an appropriate term for a slave holder to be sleeping with their slave due to the obvious power dynamic ...

    • @maplesyrup6052
      @maplesyrup6052 Před 3 lety +2

      Right, if Lindsay didn't want to be demonitized for saying rape, she couldve said "forced relationship" or "forced himself on her" or "non consensual relationship" there were ways around it but she sugar coated it

    • @tonyjohn984
      @tonyjohn984 Před 3 lety

      *+2348124002333 ... this is the number of a very powerful spell caster who helped bring me my ex-husband, who left me for years and now my ex-husband has come back to me, .....* 💌❤

  • @janedoe247
    @janedoe247 Před rokem +2

    Super informative and interesting!

  • @icinfo7313
    @icinfo7313 Před 3 lety

    Luv your video's ❤️, keep doing more videos 👍

  • @SallyTheWolf
    @SallyTheWolf Před 3 lety +2

    Great video as allways

  • @EagleArrow
    @EagleArrow Před rokem +1

    I suggest all visit Monticello. Next door is a beautiful Apple & Peach Orchard one can pick apples and peaches. Their Peach cider is amazing as is the apple cider donuts. A Grist Mill is also nearby on same road with gift shop and pioneer homes.
    Martha Washington apparently loathed Jefferson. But didn't describe why.

  • @queenlegitimate5015
    @queenlegitimate5015 Před 3 lety +1

    I am loving these videos!!
    If you haven't signed on a patron yet...I highly suggest it.

  • @PerfectlyImperfect93
    @PerfectlyImperfect93 Před 3 lety +2

    Thank you Lindsay!

  • @ninas992
    @ninas992 Před 3 lety

    Excellent job! 😊 Thank you

    • @tonyjohn984
      @tonyjohn984 Před 3 lety

      *+2348124002333 ... this is the number of a very powerful spell caster who helped bring me my ex-husband, who left me for years and now my ex-husband has come back to me, .....* 💌❤.. ❤

  • @SadGirlHours_
    @SadGirlHours_ Před 3 lety +43

    Hey... say it like it is, Sally was a teenager, and was enslaved, she was unable to consent. Please don’t sugarcoat history, it’s disgusting

    • @neilnelmar8007
      @neilnelmar8007 Před 2 lety +1

      She was property and consent is not applied to property

  • @leolemnaru6987
    @leolemnaru6987 Před 3 lety +30

    Love the reprezentasion of women!

  • @adamm6320
    @adamm6320 Před 3 lety +22

    Such an awesome series!

  • @heatherforman6193
    @heatherforman6193 Před 3 lety +1

    Great video

  • @mollyjane4628
    @mollyjane4628 Před 2 lety +7

    Just sitting here with my mind boggled at the thought of being the daughter or son of the master of the house but instead of proper food or shelter (and all the other social luxuries that should have been theirs by right) having no choice but to work for him as one of his items of inventory. It’s bizarre!
    “Offered as a bedfellow…” 😡 not only did they buy their slaves, they created them…🤯

  • @nerdygal6133
    @nerdygal6133 Před 3 lety +39

    **The Hamilton fandom sent a message**
    “Sally, be a lamb darling, won’t you open it?”

    • @hamiltonhyla
      @hamiltonhyla Před 3 lety +6

      It says the president’s assembling a cabinet and I get to be the Secretary or State, great!

    • @katherinehoward3950
      @katherinehoward3950 Před 3 lety +5

      HamiltonHyla and I’m already Senate approved, I just got home and now I’m heading up to New York

  • @bellehogel8665
    @bellehogel8665 Před 3 lety +4

    There is a historical fiction novel called America's First Daughter that goes over the life of Jefferson's oldest daughter Patsy. Talks about Sally Hemmingings and Jefferson too.
    The same author also did a book on Eliza Hamilton

  • @a.d.w8385
    @a.d.w8385 Před 2 lety +4

    "...Sally was in no position to refuse this absurdly unbalanced arrangement..." She goes on to call it coercion. So even the narrator here knows it was rape, you all.

    • @callarose9432
      @callarose9432 Před 2 lety +1

      I know, right! Did nobody freaking listen?

  • @hellsbellez
    @hellsbellez Před 3 lety +3

    #LindsayHoliday ☆ Your channel is one of my ABSOLUTE FAVOURITES! You give us information and educate with most fun and wonderful presentations!

  • @PandoraKyss
    @PandoraKyss Před 3 lety +3

    There was a film done called 'Jefferson in Paris,' which showed the 'relationship' between Jefferson, played by Nick Nolte, and Sally Hemmings, played by Thandie Newton. It was an okay film, showing the disparity and horrors faced by Hemmings while in Paris with Jefferson, and how she was treated by Jefferson's daughter Martha. He may have felt love for her, but her own affections for him were likely based in power and fear. That being said, Sally Hemmings was breathtakingly beautiful, as evidenced by her portrait. My main complaint with the 'Jefferson in Paris' film was that it showed King Louis and Marie-Antoinette as being much older than they were in reality.

    • @eshowoman
      @eshowoman Před 2 lety

      Thandiwe was way too old for the role.

  • @sophroniel
    @sophroniel Před 3 lety +13

    I am always so disgusted as to how those men could not only rape enslaved women but also then forsake their own children. It's utterly, utterly vile.

  • @racheldianeames3729
    @racheldianeames3729 Před 3 lety +2

    Please do a video on the descendants of sally hemings

  • @BonnieDragonKat
    @BonnieDragonKat Před 3 lety +5

    Thomas is my 3rd cousin 7x Removed. This was interesting! Thank you!

  • @rosebear201234
    @rosebear201234 Před 3 lety +4

    You help me truly enjoy history😊 thank you

  • @jamiemcvay130
    @jamiemcvay130 Před 3 lety +5

    I’m not sure that Sally would not have wanted to be sexually involved with Thomas Jefferson. She had seen both her mother and her grandmother get special treatment and rise to the top of the slave hierarchy by becoming the mistress or concubine of the master. It was one of the few ways that a slave girl could get ahead and improve her position. If you have ever visited Monticello, you will see that Sally had a very nice brick house built right on the back porch of the main house. It is obvious that Jefferson wanted to keep her close by. She seems to have been treated better than Deborah Franklin.

    • @eshowoman
      @eshowoman Před 2 lety +4

      Special treatment? Are you crazy? You call 3 generations of rape and captivity a step up? WTF is wrong with you?

    • @xav96
      @xav96 Před 2 lety

      @@eshowoman it’s so funny to see people constantly defend his case

  • @fan2.04
    @fan2.04 Před 3 lety +5

    Can you do more videos about US Presidents life stories because I’m currently studying them and developing a great interest or are royals more your thing?

  • @tkrc1888
    @tkrc1888 Před 3 lety +4

    I would LOVE a First Ladies of the US series!!

  • @deniaridley
    @deniaridley Před 3 lety +2

    The way she said Martha "helped manage her father's business" when he died. 😥

  • @neverlandse9914
    @neverlandse9914 Před 3 lety +4

    I’m related to Sally Hemings on my mother’s side. Found that out doing a project

  • @rhodemb
    @rhodemb Před rokem

    Loved

  • @Lauren.E.O
    @Lauren.E.O Před 3 lety +11

    I sincerely hope the words “and Peggy” are somewhere in the Eliza Hamilton video...

    • @maplesyrup6052
      @maplesyrup6052 Před 3 lety +3

      Angelicaaa.....Elizaaaaa.........................andpeggy😊

    • @justintime3656
      @justintime3656 Před 3 lety +1

      My first thought about the this Thun was ,,let the Hamilton references Beginn"

  • @mizfrenchtwist
    @mizfrenchtwist Před 3 lety +11

    ironic that thomas jefferson .....was busy writing the declaration of independence , while owning slaves , who were busy building his dream home..............it has been written that betty hemings , just could not understand why sally , would come back to the u.s. from france , for any reason...............

  • @Bughotwheels
    @Bughotwheels Před 3 lety +3

    Wow great story how Thomas Jefferson has over 1000s of ancestors :-)

  • @Lauren.E.O
    @Lauren.E.O Před 3 lety +6

    Has this channel ever done a video on Queen Liliuokalani?

  • @kisha1682
    @kisha1682 Před rokem +2

    Yeah, but Tom didn't take another woman after Sally. They were together for 38 years. That says something. He loved her, according to Sally's descendants.

  • @will-qw1tk
    @will-qw1tk Před 3 lety +17

    When your early.

  • @jw6948
    @jw6948 Před 3 lety +5

    1000 descendants?! Wow! We are all just cogs in the machine aren't we?

  • @PaleGreyGardens
    @PaleGreyGardens Před 3 lety

    13:17 You listed Martha Jefferson Randolph as Martha Jefferson Eppes. Jefferson's younger daughter (Maria) married John Wayles Eppes.

    • @tonyjohn984
      @tonyjohn984 Před 3 lety

      *+2348124002333 ... this is the number of a very powerful spell caster who helped bring me my ex-husband, who left me for years and now my ex-husband has come back to me, .....* 💌❤

  • @Courtneybenson907
    @Courtneybenson907 Před 3 lety

    Thank you for including Sally Hemings.

  • @CrystalWilliamsoncoach
    @CrystalWilliamsoncoach Před 3 lety +3

    1000 descendants!!

  • @gabriellapietrakowski3429

    Honestly before I watch this for the first time I had no idea Thomas Jefferson even had a wife I thought he just never married turns out he was a widow before he even became president

  • @chile7954
    @chile7954 Před 3 lety

    the moment you said eliza i started crying bye

    • @tonyjohn984
      @tonyjohn984 Před 3 lety

      *+2348124002333 ... this is the number of a very powerful spell caster who helped bring me my ex-husband, who left me for years and now my ex-husband has come back to me, .....* 💌❤

  • @AJCool-wi6gh
    @AJCool-wi6gh Před 3 lety

    Why did you buy it of the founding ladys part 2.

  • @karCot
    @karCot Před 3 lety +1

    I love history and I love your videos

  • @arak5502
    @arak5502 Před 8 měsíci

    What are your primary sources on the relationship between Sally and Thomas?