@Al Barnes - Me too, Al, only now I am the 70 year old Ford man and hopefully, you're a 75 year old Ford fan! Got a kick out of your comment that you like your distributors up front!
Loved the A/FX class. This is when one could really identify what model of car was running unlike today's Funny Cars, which I like, but the A/FX were simply extreme versions of what we could buy.
To RJL681- How is it the 427 ford dominated a large portion of the Nascar circuit during the 60's and the Chevy 409 and 427 had no where near the durability of a 427 Ford FE engine? Furthermore the 428 SCJ recorded the fastest 1/4 time for a production car in 1968. How many times has Chevy won Lemans back in the golden days of racing? And how is it that the 351 Cleveland literally smoked every big block 427 CID + Chevy in pro stock?. Also the owner of accufab John Mohivitz is using a blown 281 CID (4.6-4 Valve) and running 5.88 in the quarter in a mustang bodied car essentially using a stock crank, block and heads with 42+ lbs of boost? One more thing the 427 SOHC made more power than the current LT1 SC Chevy naturally aspirated.
I somehow found this thread after it's initial posting. But this roadrunner guy is an idiot. I pointed out some of the very same facts you have just pointed out. There's always going to be bashers from Ford and Chevy camps, but what I don't and will not stand for this stupid propaganda. And that's what this roadrunner or whatever his username is, he's a propaganda fool that can be corrected immediately. Thank you for your great take on Ford's 427 engine.
LOL no, the 351c head design was released in 1969 as a prototype for the boss 302 engine, ford made the Cleveland from 1970-1974. then it was replaced by the 351m/400 engines
DYNO DON NICHOLSON won so many FUNNY car races with his SOHC motor CHRYSLER & GM could'nt compete for years.Thats why NHRA banned PAT & WALT Austin from bringing out a FORD BOSS 429 ALCOHOL funny car. The rules use to be you had to run a production based motor that the big 3 sold in there production cars. NHRA Banned Pat & Walt because Fords Bore space is 4.90 But how can that be? Its a production based bore space. Same motor Bob Glidden used to win 5 world championships. AMAZING Rule makers
@raginroadrunner your making sense if it werent for a know more than 1 guy from them days,they r still hemi guys but have tons of respect for cammers and bosses.cammers were scrapped cause of it being outlawed in most classes of racing because nhra and nascar and many others didnt want 1 company dominating .the chains were a prob but also easily solved.
This clown doesn't even know that the 427 SOHC engine scrapped the timing chain and went with gear drive. If you don't know this basic information you're not going to know anything about Ford engines. The FE-427 was a beautifully designed engine That could go long distance or quarter mile when it came to racing. Carroll Shelby used the 427 in 66 when he swept Ferrari at Lemans 24 hours of racing!! They were used heavily in NASCAR at that time, Mario Andretti won the 1967 Daytona 500 driving a Holman Moody prepared 427. This was the only race Mario ever raced in when it comes to NASCAR. And of course they did very well in the drag race scene. They started splitting duty with the 427 SOHC. Both are historical great engines. But by the end of 1970 Ford pulled out of all Factory backed racing. Times were changing, you no longer could win on Sunday and sell on Monday as economy cars were coming into play and gas prices were rising. Oil companies went after those windfall profits while they ripped off Americans on the price of gasoline. I remember sitting in line for up to a half hour or more just waiting to fill up my gas tank. And you couldn't fill up on any day you wanted, you had to fill up according to the last number on your license plate. For instance if your license plate number ended in an even number you could purchase fuel on Monday but not Tuesday. Same with Wednesday and Thursday and all through the week. The irony is it was all a hoax for Winfield Profits.
Do you know any history on the car ? is it a real AFX car? Im looking for a specific one that at one time Jim Long owned. It was bought out of Garden City Mi. The vin was a aluminum tag riveted onto the drivers door that said AFX 00012. Roof and 1/4s were steel. fiberglass front end and deck lid, lexan windows except the windshield. it was glass. bumpers were plastic, no front inner wheel wells, aluminum door frames, came originally with 427 tunnel port. and the econoline van buckets .
About 35 teaqrs back I knew an older mman that was involved with the P47 refit. They had planned to shorten the wingspan by several feet, change the canopy to a 360 degree type and the Allison was such a piece ofr crap they lookedat the Chrysler tests using the V16 engine. The test plane made three flights and they showed a much improved peerformance. But Chrysler had no one bought off in Congress so the military waited for the P51. Had the revised P47 made into comabt earlier,many livescon'td.
Thats true. But did you realise he also went back to racing Fords in the last 10 years of his carrer. L@@K 1995 IHRA Summernationals Ronnie Sox Crash also type in Ronnie Sox and also Ronnie sox 64 Pro Mod Comet
If the FORD SOHC had been worthy of anything, it's design would be used in todays NHRA fuel cars. They, engines used in today's modern fuel cars, are all based on the Chrysler concept. 16 feet of timing chain flying around in the front case on Nitro Methane ( Ford SOHC) would have made for some spectacular engine explosions. Everybody in the area would have to wear a "Flak" jacket.
First off the timing chain on the 427 SOHC was 6 ft long. Second they went to a gear drive combination genius. Third, top fuel dragster in the '60s and other drag racers who raced a/fx competition all agree that Ford's 427 was a fantastic engine. It was the first engine to reach 200 mph in the quarter mile. The problem with the engine was it never reached its full potential because Ford ended all racing operations by 1970. So there was no new development on it. As times changed more horsepower was necessary to compete. Chrysler kept developing the 426, so it ended up in top fuel. John Force and others would eventually power his cars with Ford power plants for Funny Car drag racing. The engine was called THE BOSS 9. John Force won several championships with this engine. Then several years ago Ford dropped out of funny car drag racing. I suggest you do some research and look for facts, and quit spreading propaganda and stupidity.
Chrysler bought the Hemi patents sometime in the thirties...they even used them to power a Republic P-47 Thunderbolt..it flew at over 505mph at 30,000feet. If our military would have pushed them into service the war would have been over in 43 and thousands and thousands of lives would have been saved. Instead they held out for the P-51 which we didn't even have an engine for..until RollsRoyce licensed Studebaker to build the RR Merlin engine in the US... and Studebaker was the only one qualified
con't...had this refitted P 47 made it into service as a bomber escort over the skies of Germany..many lives may have been saved and the war could have ended sooner. Ford had the same thing happen with their V12 GAA..no one bought off in congress and their engine never made it into an airplane. But the V8 version made it into a tank and it was awesome. The Allisons were junk and always were. They wouldn't last 15 seconds in pull tractors today let alone 70 years ago. I know what I Know .
and also I find it hilarious you come to a ford video to]rolling, I love all cars, but it you think your 440 is so badass I hate to say it but I have a 1970 mach 1 drag car with a 460, 429 max effort scj heads that would LOVE to eat your 440 alive. and btw a 351c4v with bolt ons could EASILY walk a 440 ive seen it happen time and time again
As soon as the SOHC appeared, it was gone. yet, the Mopar Hemi has lived on since the early twenties. Now, the 427 Ford Lemans engine..now there was a monster. Better heads would have put this engine in the hall of fame. Ford has had every opportunity but fucked it up. As a result, they still suck today. And I got a shop full of em. Gonna trade em all off for a fuckin KIA.
TO RJL681 : Back in 62 -63 Yes its true , 409s were beating the Fords on the street........but Ford was into NASCAR not street /drags . Where were the 409s at Daytona-Talladega-Charlotte-Riverside ? Fords stomped 409s so bad General Motors decided to quit racing altogether & declared a racing ban on all GM products . Kinda like when they quit making Camaros & Firebirds because they couldn't compete with Fords Mustang !! LOL !
@raginroadrunner Come on over here where I work. We'll put them spark plugs in for 650. We have the stuff to get them in with. Man I seriously hope you never paid anywhere close to that for a tune up..If so, someone took you for a ride big time. By the way, how much does it cost to go to the grocery store now?
Chryler was helped out by the Reagan administration because they had to. Iacocca had them by the balls. Chrysler was the prime contractor for the MI Battle tank and no one else had the casting processes down like Chrysler did.
Wrong again! Studebaker/Packard were not affiliated until after WW II . Studebaker had nothing to do with the manufacture of the Packard Merlin V-1650. Also contrary to what you think Allison engines were supercharged ( gear driven single stage ) some P38's in Europe were turbosupercharged , a highly reliable easily maintained tough aircraft engine that could stay with a Packard Merlin at 10,000 feet or below the only advantage the merlin had was the 2 stage 2 speed supercharger at altitude.
@Speedysteve3 ...Yeah..I know..I was there...we ran 427's and I was in a National Guard unit in Denver with a guy named Ron Leslie..they had the first funny car on nitro...777 Mercury with the stage two cammer...because they were a Ford team they got access to good performance parts...NHRA had the Super Stock Ford so restricted that we had two cam choices and i set of heads..the GM guys had tons of parts that were legal to run...Ford screwed the average guy, now there are lots of parts..too late
MY 69 440 Roadrunner is in my garage...my 67 Ford 351 Cleveland Fairlane is in there also, right along side my 66 Off Road Bronco and my 69 F 250 Highboy Off Road 4X4 is in the shop with it. They all run great and they are all MINE!!!..and my 90 Ford real "Super Duty" diesel transporter and my 2007 F 150 and my 2007 Dodge 3500 6.7 Cummins powered transporter...yep...thats about it..and you drive a what kind of a piece of shit???....a what???...a "KIA"????..holy shit the laughter is deafening...
Both of these guys wouldn't stand a chance today..not even close. Ford pulled up stakes and cut out and GM dominates this field. Ford management sux and always has.Ford made their mark at times but it never lasted and when the going got tough..Ford shit the bed. They can't get a grip on it and GM has run away. Basement??? ..we never had a basement... an old wooden shop where it snowed over 400 inches per year and went -50 below. A basement would have been nice.
Glad to hear that yur startin to see things my way..Mopars and all..you'll be fine..one pass down the strip behind them wide valve covers and you'll get the picture. And them ol junk ass Fords will be the last thing on yur mind...providing that you do in fact, have such a thing!!!
I'm sorry but your mistaken, it was Packard that was licensed to build the Merlin engine and made some design improvements, not Studebaker. and your also wrong on the first first count, we did have an engine for the mustang, the Allison V-1710. The Allison was a good engine but did not have the high altitude performance of the Merlins!
wrong again. The P47 that your referring to was the XP- 47H, this was not the republic P47 that reached 505 mph, that aircraft was the XP-47J powered by the Pratt & Whitney R-2800- 57 (C) equipped with a GE CH-5 Turbosupercharger in 1943. The V16 inline Chryslers dimensions were considered to large (twice the dimensions) for an inline engine when they could get the same or better performance from a V12 and that was pretty much the end of the IV-2220-11. and those are the facts!
The 427 FE engine had an option for three different rods. The LeMans polished "H" beam style, the cast steel, and a Nascar version. Our 247 High Riser had the polished lemans stlye rods.The low riser versions were used in MK4's and "J" cars with Weber carburation. The Ford 427 SOHC was a total failure, and was based on the WW2 GAA tank engine. It was hastily designed and was in use for just several years and was gone. It did not compare to the Big Mopars...never did..and never will.
You don't know what your talking about! ,The Ford 427sohc blew away Chrysler 426 Hemis and 427 Chevys all day LONG AND TWICE ON SUNDAYS ITS A DOCUMENTED FACT ! LMFAO !
I didn't get my infomation off the history channel. So now...here we are....I don;t have a book to quote from...but from men who were there and who knew the urgency of the times. Quarrel among yourselves...I'm done.
the 351c head design was released in 1969 as a prototype for the boss 302 engine. the heads were released on the Cleveland series engines from 1970-1974 and were replaced by the 351m/400 do your research before you post bullshit
Not Chrysler diesels. Only cummins do that. No I don't want to hear how Mopar Chrysler designed the diesel for the cummins company. And how its based on the WWII chrysler tank Hemi's. lol
The SOHC engine was hastily designed and produced. It did not last as several versions were made. It was based on the Ford GAA tank engine from WW2. It looked good but it never proved itself to be worthy of production. I was gone after just a few short years. The 427 LeMans side oiler ran @7000 rpm around the clock and was a much better low riser design. It was also gone in just a few years.
He may have driven a Ford but he gained prominence in a Mopar. I knew a guy in Denver to get one of the first and last SOHC engines. They didn't last long and they were gone. Hastily designed and based on a WW2 Tank engine( look up the Ford GAA) they weren't worth the time to build. Ya can't spin chain that fast without a disaster in the making. A 427 cross bolt block was strong, and proven,but the head design was horrible. We all held our breath and crossed our fingers, but it was a flop.
They ditched the 6-ft timing chain, it was not near as long as you have quoted. They replaced it with a gear drive genius. You are disqualified, you know nothing about Ford and their engines. And you're good at ignoring how they dominated the '60s pretty much worldwide. Now the 427 Corvette may have won One race against the AC cobras, but the Cobras won all the championships, they are the most replicated car and have been for years. When people think about road racing in the '60s they think of the AC Cobra, they don't think about the Corvette. Unless you're talking about the few drivers that use them in drag racing. They were called shake and bake for a reason. And Chevrolet finally came up with a car comparable to the AC cobras, it was called the Cheetah. It never saw the glory of the Cobras, most people today don't even know what a Cheetah is or was. It was a poorly designed piece of junk that overheated when racing. The cockpit got so hot the drivers were forced to bail out. And that is the cheetah legacy.
It doesn't take a genius to recognize cheap metals. And Ford leads the way in cheap materials. Their heads were so bad I won't even rebuild them. I buy Chinese aluminum heads complete off the internet and they are dam good quality. I won't build big power Ford blocks.I use Dart or World made in China. I don't want to but I will never let Ford hold a gun to my head again or GM or Chrysler. They screwed too many consumers and we all know it. If they all go tits up.who gives a shit?..PHD? Bullshit
@godfugitive ..I used to think that was what happened but I doubt that it was. Ford certainly could do better but their management style even today sucks. As a result Ford can't win shit. Their cars all look like Toyotas because that is where their CEO came from. No..Ford hasn't got one product I'd buy. Their Mustang is a joke. Mopar leads the field and rightfully so.
Ok then How come the 406 in 1962 and 1963 couldnt touch the dual quad 409?..How come the 390 couldnt get past the 327/350 horse L-79? How come the Z/28 camaro took Championship wins over the Boss 302 Mustang in the 5 liter transam racing divisions? How was the 427 ZL-1 corvette able to beat the 427 Cobra? How come in 1961 Dyno Don Nicholson beat the the 390 Ford in the up hill race on Pike's Peak running a stock single 4barrel 409 in a '61 Impala SS? The 409 ate Fords all the way around.
@@64fairlane305 If you look at the 60s, the Golden era of racing it's easy to see Ford dominated worldwide, not just in the United States. The naysayers here don't want to hear the truth, and most likely they're not old enough to know the truth. I grew up in the sixties, I lived three miles from Irwindale Raceway Park in Baldwin Park California. I watched all makes of cars in all classes of racing there when it comes to drag racing. Ford powered cars won most of the races. These clowns don't like facts. If you look at historical race cars FORD is at the very top with the Ford GT40, the AC Cobras, and Mustangs. And that's a fact, not propaganda.
Failure???...worse than that...I'd call it an embarassment ...it's gone and has been for 40 years... the Mopar Hemi on the other hand...never changed one bit...and the 428 was the cheap shit version of a 390 on steroids..there were several rod choices available but most 428 lead sleds had the standard "I" beam rod...Ford has given a totally new meaning to the word..."Cheap"....and "Last place"...now..go rub yur nose in that...and polish yur "Kia"
@Speedysteve3 ..Ford never did anything in super stock with the cammer engine..Mopar hemis dominated SS..Ronnie Sox, I don't believe, was ever beat by anything but another Mopar....and the run of the mill production 429 was nothing like the Nascar 429..not even close..FF (385 series engines, 385,429, 460 ) heads are mostly junk...good intake ports and pathetic exhaust ports held the 429/460 down so bad no one would use them. and they still won't...good aluminum heads now available...too late
@hipofalcon ..."Taurus"???...front wheel drive V 6....???...........I think I'd rather drive a Saab..Gee thanks...but...no thanks...I'm not a V6 front wheel drive type guy..../and i sure as hell ain't gonna start start now....
Back in the seventies and early eighties Nascar mechanics identified that Ford blocks were deficient in nickel content...which they were. The cylinder walls were breaking down quickly and massive amounts of compression was lost resulting in power loss.Ford had to correct this mess but by that time it was all over for them...and it has never returned. Final results shows Ford can't win anything in any type motorsports. They lose every weekend in Nascar, NHRA, SCORE..you name it... they suck!!!
Actuallly Ford produced many blocks that had almost no nickel content and were trash right out of the mold. Many small block and FE heads were so soft the valve guides were gone in under 10,000 miles brand new. I had many of them. Ford talks big but doesn't deliver. So far, no one has got a FF 460 to run good...fair..but not a record setter.
Now Now, don't let the truth and facts raise your BP so high that's when the ability to communicate as an adult begin's to diminish and the uncontrolled venom starts spewing out, i'm only asking you to show me the the factual evidence where your right and i'm wrong, if you can do that i will admit that i was wrong and correct myself and promise not to get mad and say your full of shi*...
This car makes me one happy 70 year old Ford man. Other brands are good also. Like my distributor up front.
@Al Barnes - Me too, Al, only now I am the 70 year old Ford man and hopefully, you're a 75 year old Ford fan! Got a kick out of your comment that you like your distributors up front!
I'm around your age and been a Ford guy since I was a little kid!
Loved the A/FX class. This is when one could really identify what model of car was running unlike today's Funny Cars, which I like, but the A/FX were simply extreme versions of what we could buy.
I've seen one of the first runs in Haddom CT, TASCA Ford in Aug. 1963, made you hair stand up !!
I think I was there! Colchester.
I love these old Falcons!!!
Beautiful design and FORD power.
DEADLY COMBINATION!
8.55 YIKES!!!
NICE CAR THATS WHAT I LEARNED TO DRIVE ON, WISH I HAD ONE NOW
Ford power! what a great running/sounding car/engine!
Damn right. Don't need no stinking Chevy!
Nice run.
Nice little falcon!!
AWSOME!!!!
Beautiful car!!
To RJL681-
How is it the 427 ford dominated a large portion of the Nascar circuit during the 60's and the Chevy 409 and 427 had no where near the durability of a 427 Ford FE engine? Furthermore the 428 SCJ recorded the fastest 1/4 time for a production car in 1968. How many times has Chevy won Lemans back in the golden days of racing? And how is it that the 351 Cleveland literally smoked every big block 427 CID + Chevy in pro stock?. Also the owner of accufab John Mohivitz is using a blown 281 CID (4.6-4 Valve) and running 5.88 in the quarter in a mustang bodied car essentially using a stock crank, block and heads with 42+ lbs of boost? One more thing the 427 SOHC made more power than the current LT1 SC Chevy naturally aspirated.
I somehow found this thread after it's initial posting. But this roadrunner guy is an idiot. I pointed out some of the very same facts you have just pointed out. There's always going to be bashers from Ford and Chevy camps, but what I don't and will not stand for this stupid propaganda. And that's what this roadrunner or whatever his username is, he's a propaganda fool that can be corrected immediately. Thank you for your great take on Ford's 427 engine.
Don't forget the aluminum Ardun hemi-head conversion made for the flathead Fords.
LOL no, the 351c head design was released in 1969 as a prototype for the boss 302 engine, ford made the Cleveland from 1970-1974. then it was replaced by the 351m/400 engines
Love it! Old school!
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! sweetness. that is quick.
DYNO DON NICHOLSON won so many FUNNY car races with his SOHC motor CHRYSLER & GM could'nt compete for years.Thats why NHRA banned PAT & WALT Austin from bringing out a FORD BOSS 429 ALCOHOL funny car. The rules use to be you had to run a production based motor that the big 3 sold in there production cars. NHRA Banned Pat & Walt because Fords Bore space is 4.90 But how can that be? Its a production based bore space. Same motor Bob Glidden used to win 5 world championships. AMAZING Rule makers
Nice take but I believe Bob Glidden won 10 NHRA World championships. Did he switch over to Mopar at some point? I'd have to research it.
Ford power. Oh yeah!
Sounds like a clutchless 5 speed. Good running car.
@raginroadrunner your making sense if it werent for a know more than 1 guy from them days,they r still hemi guys but have tons of respect for cammers and bosses.cammers were scrapped cause of it being outlawed in most classes of racing because nhra and nascar and many others didnt want 1 company dominating .the chains were a prob but also easily solved.
This clown doesn't even know that the 427 SOHC engine scrapped the timing chain and went with gear drive. If you don't know this basic information you're not going to know anything about Ford engines. The FE-427 was a beautifully designed engine That could go long distance or quarter mile when it came to racing. Carroll Shelby used the 427 in 66 when he swept Ferrari at Lemans 24 hours of racing!! They were used heavily in NASCAR at that time, Mario Andretti won the 1967 Daytona 500 driving a Holman Moody prepared 427. This was the only race Mario ever raced in when it comes to NASCAR. And of course they did very well in the drag race scene. They started splitting duty with the 427 SOHC. Both are historical great engines. But by the end of 1970 Ford pulled out of all Factory backed racing. Times were changing, you no longer could win on Sunday and sell on Monday as economy cars were coming into play and gas prices were rising. Oil companies went after those windfall profits while they ripped off Americans on the price of gasoline. I remember sitting in line for up to a half hour or more just waiting to fill up my gas tank. And you couldn't fill up on any day you wanted, you had to fill up according to the last number on your license plate. For instance if your license plate number ended in an even number you could purchase fuel on Monday but not Tuesday. Same with Wednesday and Thursday and all through the week. The irony is it was all a hoax for Winfield Profits.
Damn these Falcons get my blue blood boiling!!
Hell yeah!!
lol ford didnt have any cleveland design until 1969 with the boss 302 which used 351c heads on a 302 block.
Yes... it was a side oiler...and a good thing as the cammer would have left a trail of oil and junk parts for miles...
Why don't you go fuck your self dumb fuck piece of shit know it all??
Some of Henry's finest operasOn the seventh day he rested on the eighth day he created the side oiler and went racing.
Do you know any history on the car ? is it a real AFX car? Im looking for a specific one that at one time Jim Long owned. It was bought out of Garden City Mi. The vin was a aluminum tag riveted onto the drivers door that said AFX 00012. Roof and 1/4s were steel. fiberglass front end and deck lid, lexan windows except the windshield. it was glass. bumpers were plastic, no front inner wheel wells, aluminum door frames, came originally with 427 tunnel port. and the econoline van buckets .
Dick Jones, this Falcon isn’t a real A/FX. Built by 422 Motorsports and was running Nostalgia Super Stock in there All-Stars Series
Were the front tires ever on the ground? I like it.
That thing LEFT!
Damn! Get some get some!
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Figures a mopar freak would pop off about a SOHC motor that killed hemi's!
Is this Falcon still running at race tracks somewhere in the US., it sure is a screamer.?
Nice car. SOHC had lots of R & D left in it had Ford developed it.IMHO.OHC engines common today. Hi-Tech in 1965.
About 35 teaqrs back I knew an older mman that was involved with the P47 refit. They had planned to shorten the wingspan by several feet, change the canopy to a 360 degree type and the Allison was such a piece ofr crap they lookedat the Chrysler tests using the V16 engine. The test plane made three flights and they showed a much improved peerformance. But Chrysler had no one bought off in Congress so the military waited for the P51. Had the revised P47 made into comabt earlier,many livescon'td.
You're obviously lost this thread isn't about p-47s or p51s.
Carrasos los Falcon 👍👋☺️🇲🇽
Thats true. But did you realise he also went back to racing Fords in the last 10 years of his carrer. L@@K 1995 IHRA Summernationals Ronnie Sox Crash also type in Ronnie Sox and also Ronnie sox 64 Pro Mod Comet
If the FORD SOHC had been worthy of anything, it's design would be used in todays NHRA fuel cars. They, engines used in today's modern fuel cars, are all based on the Chrysler concept. 16 feet of timing chain flying around in the front case on Nitro Methane ( Ford SOHC) would have made for some spectacular engine explosions. Everybody in the area would have to wear a "Flak" jacket.
First off the timing chain on the 427 SOHC was 6 ft long. Second they went to a gear drive combination genius. Third, top fuel dragster in the '60s and other drag racers who raced a/fx competition all agree that Ford's 427 was a fantastic engine. It was the first engine to reach 200 mph in the quarter mile. The problem with the engine was it never reached its full potential because Ford ended all racing operations by 1970. So there was no new development on it. As times changed more horsepower was necessary to compete. Chrysler kept developing the 426, so it ended up in top fuel. John Force and others would eventually power his cars with Ford power plants for Funny Car drag racing. The engine was called THE BOSS 9. John Force won several championships with this engine. Then several years ago Ford dropped out of funny car drag racing. I suggest you do some research and look for facts, and quit spreading propaganda and stupidity.
Chrysler bought the Hemi patents sometime in the thirties...they even used them to power a Republic P-47 Thunderbolt..it flew at over 505mph at 30,000feet. If our military would have pushed them into service the war would have been over in 43 and thousands and thousands of lives would have been saved. Instead they held out for the P-51 which we didn't even have an engine for..until RollsRoyce licensed Studebaker to build the RR Merlin engine in the US... and Studebaker was the only one qualified
beauty
con't...had this refitted P 47 made it into service as a bomber escort over the skies of Germany..many lives may have been saved and the war could have ended sooner. Ford had the same thing happen with their V12 GAA..no one bought off in congress and their engine never made it into an airplane. But the V8 version made it into a tank and it was awesome. The Allisons were junk and always were. They wouldn't last 15 seconds in pull tractors today let alone 70 years ago. I know what I Know .
WOW
Thee Original HEMI HUNTER!!!!
and also I find it hilarious you come to a ford video to]rolling, I love all cars, but it you think your 440 is so badass I hate to say it but I have a 1970 mach 1 drag car with a 460, 429 max effort scj heads that would LOVE to eat your 440 alive. and btw a 351c4v with bolt ons could EASILY walk a 440 ive seen it happen time and time again
You've probably witnessed pigs flying as well.
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Yes I've seen them, they're called Chevrolets.
As soon as the SOHC appeared, it was gone. yet, the Mopar Hemi has lived on since the early twenties. Now, the 427 Ford Lemans engine..now there was a monster. Better heads would have put this engine in the hall of fame. Ford has had every opportunity but fucked it up. As a result, they still suck today. And I got a shop full of em. Gonna trade em all off for a fuckin KIA.
TO RJL681 : Back in 62 -63 Yes its true , 409s were beating the Fords on the street........but Ford was into NASCAR not street /drags . Where were the 409s at Daytona-Talladega-Charlotte-Riverside ? Fords stomped 409s so bad General Motors decided to quit racing altogether & declared a racing ban on all GM products . Kinda like when they quit making Camaros & Firebirds because they couldn't compete with Fords Mustang !! LOL !
Fuck Yeah!
@raginroadrunner Come on over here where I work. We'll put them spark plugs in for 650. We have the stuff to get them in with. Man I seriously hope you never paid anywhere close to that for a tune up..If so, someone took you for a ride big time. By the way, how much does it cost to go to the grocery store now?
@hipofalcon ...SAAB- Dragen builds one helluva fine jet fighter aircraft...and a Taurus may represent the "Bull"..but to me its just a "DOG"...
Chryler was helped out by the Reagan administration because they had to. Iacocca had them by the balls.
Chrysler was the prime contractor for the MI Battle tank and no one else had the casting processes down like Chrysler did.
Same here man...
Wrong again!
Studebaker/Packard were not affiliated until after WW II . Studebaker had nothing to do with the manufacture of the Packard Merlin V-1650. Also contrary to what you think Allison engines were supercharged ( gear driven single stage ) some P38's in Europe were turbosupercharged , a highly reliable easily maintained tough aircraft engine that could stay with a Packard Merlin at 10,000 feet or below the only advantage the merlin had was the 2 stage 2 speed supercharger at altitude.
Who were the first to use Nitrous??Was it the US?
@Speedysteve3 ...Yeah..I know..I was there...we ran 427's and I was in a National Guard unit in Denver with a guy named Ron Leslie..they had the first funny car on nitro...777 Mercury with the stage two cammer...because they were a Ford team they got access to good performance parts...NHRA had the Super Stock Ford so restricted that we had two cam choices and i set of heads..the GM guys had tons of parts that were legal to run...Ford screwed the average guy, now there are lots of parts..too late
History can never be off the track... with Chryslers involvement in defense technology can anyone imagine why they are so good at what they do???
You made this stupid comment 9 years ago. Nobody replied to it until now, LOL.
MY 69 440 Roadrunner is in my garage...my 67 Ford 351 Cleveland Fairlane is in there also, right along side my 66 Off Road Bronco and my 69 F 250 Highboy Off Road 4X4 is in the shop with it. They all run great and they are all MINE!!!..and my 90 Ford real "Super Duty" diesel transporter and my 2007 F 150 and my 2007 Dodge 3500 6.7 Cummins powered transporter...yep...thats about it..and you drive a what kind of a piece of shit???....a what???...a "KIA"????..holy shit the laughter is deafening...
Both of these guys wouldn't stand a chance today..not even close. Ford pulled up stakes and cut out and GM dominates this field. Ford management sux and always has.Ford made their mark at times but it never lasted and when the going got tough..Ford shit the bed. They can't get a grip on it and GM has run away. Basement??? ..we never had a basement... an old wooden shop where it snowed over 400 inches per year and went -50 below. A basement would have been nice.
However true this may be...what I have told you ..is the truth..you just can't handle the truth!!!
What engine is in car?
Glad to hear that yur startin to see things my way..Mopars and all..you'll be fine..one pass down the strip behind them wide valve covers and you'll get the picture. And them ol junk ass Fords will be the last thing on yur mind...providing that you do in fact, have such a thing!!!
I'm sorry but your mistaken, it was Packard that was licensed to build the Merlin engine and made some design improvements, not Studebaker. and your also wrong on the first first count, we did have an engine for the mustang, the Allison V-1710. The Allison was a good engine but did not have the high altitude performance of the Merlins!
nasscar killed the sohc
Ford used to kick Chev Ass back in that time.....
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Ford had to teach GM how to build a V8
wrong again. The P47 that your referring to was the XP- 47H, this was not the
republic P47 that reached 505 mph, that aircraft was the XP-47J powered by the Pratt & Whitney R-2800- 57 (C) equipped with a GE CH-5 Turbosupercharger in 1943. The V16 inline Chryslers dimensions were considered to large (twice the dimensions) for an inline engine when they could get the same or better performance from a V12 and that was pretty much the end of the IV-2220-11. and those are the facts!
Wrong...it was powered with the Hemis around 1940...
You are wrong, steve.
Wrong about ....what????...you're the big mouth here....I was there son...where were you???
The 427 FE engine had an option for three different rods. The LeMans polished "H" beam style, the cast steel, and a Nascar version. Our 247 High Riser had the polished lemans stlye rods.The low riser versions were used in MK4's and "J" cars with Weber carburation. The Ford 427 SOHC was a total failure, and was based on the WW2 GAA tank engine. It was hastily designed and was in use for just several years and was gone. It did not compare to the Big Mopars...never did..and never will.
You don't know what your talking about! ,The Ford 427sohc blew away Chrysler 426 Hemis and 427 Chevys all day LONG AND TWICE ON SUNDAYS ITS A DOCUMENTED FACT ! LMFAO !
I didn't get my infomation off the history channel. So now...here we are....I don;t have a book to quote from...but from men who were there and who knew the urgency of the times. Quarrel among yourselves...I'm done.
Fmx?
the 351c head design was released in 1969 as a prototype for the boss 302 engine. the heads were released on the Cleveland series engines from 1970-1974 and were replaced by the 351m/400 do your research before you post bullshit
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what size motor are you running
I love you man. RR
NOPE... Republic P 47 Thunderbolt...Chrysler built two V8 Hemis and coupled them together....historical fact and not something you read in a book!!!
Not Chrysler diesels. Only cummins do that. No I don't want to hear how Mopar Chrysler designed the diesel for the cummins company. And how its based on the WWII chrysler tank Hemi's. lol
Inline diesels go well over One MIllion miles plus..all of them.
Fix that suspension
351 C 1968 to 1972.......how bout that???
funny how all the mopar,chevy guys couldent beat it
@kenev66 ..and despite all the effort Ford puts into their Mustangs....the Corvette will give the crap out of it.
The SOHC engine was hastily designed and produced. It did not last as several versions were made. It was based on the Ford GAA tank engine from WW2. It looked good but it never proved itself to be worthy of production. I was gone after just a few short years. The 427 LeMans side oiler ran @7000 rpm around the clock and was a much better low riser design. It was also gone in just a few years.
He may have driven a Ford but he gained prominence in a Mopar. I knew a guy in Denver to get one of the first and last SOHC engines. They didn't last long and they were gone. Hastily designed and based on a WW2 Tank engine( look up the Ford GAA) they weren't worth the time to build. Ya can't spin chain that fast without a disaster in the making. A 427 cross bolt block was strong, and proven,but the head design was horrible. We all held our breath and crossed our fingers, but it was a flop.
They ditched the 6-ft timing chain, it was not near as long as you have quoted. They replaced it with a gear drive genius. You are disqualified, you know nothing about Ford and their engines. And you're good at ignoring how they dominated the '60s pretty much worldwide. Now the 427 Corvette may have won One race against the AC cobras, but the Cobras won all the championships, they are the most replicated car and have been for years. When people think about road racing in the '60s they think of the AC Cobra, they don't think about the Corvette. Unless you're talking about the few drivers that use them in drag racing. They were called shake and bake for a reason. And Chevrolet finally came up with a car comparable to the AC cobras, it was called the Cheetah. It never saw the glory of the Cobras, most people today don't even know what a Cheetah is or was. It was a poorly designed piece of junk that overheated when racing. The cockpit got so hot the drivers were forced to bail out. And that is the cheetah legacy.
From the looks of it..the must be a Chevrolet engine in this rig...cause Ford sure as hell didn't make anything that ran this good....RR
I would like to meet you out some were!!!!!!!!
It doesn't take a genius to recognize cheap metals. And Ford leads the way in cheap materials. Their heads were so bad I won't even rebuild them. I buy Chinese aluminum heads complete off the internet and they are dam good quality. I won't build big power Ford blocks.I use Dart or World made in China. I don't want to but I will never let Ford hold a gun to my head again or GM or Chrysler. They screwed too many consumers and we all know it. If they all go tits up.who gives a shit?..PHD? Bullshit
Nope ... 68 to 72...
@godfugitive ..I used to think that was what happened but I doubt that it was. Ford certainly could do better but their management style even today sucks. As a result Ford can't win shit. Their cars all look like Toyotas because that is where their CEO came from. No..Ford hasn't got one product I'd buy. Their Mustang is a joke. Mopar leads the field and rightfully so.
Ok then How come the 406 in 1962 and 1963 couldnt touch the dual quad 409?..How come the 390 couldnt get past the 327/350 horse L-79? How come the Z/28 camaro took Championship wins over the Boss 302 Mustang in the 5 liter transam racing divisions? How was the 427 ZL-1 corvette able to beat the 427 Cobra? How come in 1961 Dyno Don Nicholson beat the the 390 Ford in the up hill race on Pike's Peak running a stock single 4barrel 409 in a '61 Impala SS? The 409 ate Fords all the way around.
Oh shut up, Ford simply ruled the 60`s
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If you look at the 60s, the Golden era of racing it's easy to see Ford dominated worldwide, not just in the United States. The naysayers here don't want to hear the truth, and most likely they're not old enough to know the truth. I grew up in the sixties, I lived three miles from Irwindale Raceway Park in Baldwin Park California. I watched all makes of cars in all classes of racing there when it comes to drag racing. Ford powered cars won most of the races. These clowns don't like facts. If you look at historical race cars FORD is at the very top with the Ford GT40, the AC Cobras, and Mustangs. And that's a fact, not propaganda.
and both engines have been gone for over 40 years...what's that tell ya???
Failure???...worse than that...I'd call it an embarassment ...it's gone and has been for 40 years... the Mopar Hemi on the other hand...never changed one bit...and the 428 was the cheap shit version of a 390 on steroids..there were several rod choices available but most 428 lead sleds had the standard "I" beam rod...Ford has given a totally new meaning to the word..."Cheap"....and "Last place"...now..go rub yur nose in that...and polish yur "Kia"
oh shut up looser
@Speedysteve3 ..Ford never did anything in super stock with the cammer engine..Mopar hemis dominated SS..Ronnie Sox, I don't believe, was ever beat by anything but another Mopar....and the run of the mill production 429 was nothing like the Nascar 429..not even close..FF (385 series engines, 385,429, 460 ) heads are mostly junk...good intake ports and pathetic exhaust ports held the 429/460 down so bad no one would use them. and they still won't...good aluminum heads now available...too late
Wrong, Tasca Ford used the 427 SOHC and sent the mopar's home early. This was Super Stock, A/FX drag racing.
@hipofalcon ..."Taurus"???...front wheel drive V 6....???...........I think I'd rather drive a Saab..Gee thanks...but...no thanks...I'm not a V6 front wheel drive type guy..../and i sure as hell ain't gonna start start now....
You need a truck load of Ex Lax..you have a problem...
Have you ever considered anger management???...
& the 427high riser,boss 429,428 & 428cj,
Back in the seventies and early eighties Nascar mechanics identified that Ford blocks were deficient in nickel content...which they were. The cylinder walls were breaking down quickly and massive amounts of compression was lost resulting in power loss.Ford had to correct this mess but by that time it was all over for them...and it has never returned. Final results shows Ford can't win anything in any type motorsports. They lose every weekend in Nascar, NHRA, SCORE..you name it... they suck!!!
Actuallly Ford produced many blocks that had almost no nickel content and were trash right out of the mold. Many small block and FE heads were so soft the valve guides were gone in under 10,000 miles brand new. I had many of them. Ford talks big but doesn't deliver. So far, no one has got a FF 460 to run good...fair..but not a record setter.
Now Now, don't let the truth and facts raise your BP so high that's when the ability to communicate as an adult begin's to diminish and the uncontrolled venom starts spewing out, i'm only asking you to show me the the factual evidence where your right and i'm wrong, if you can do that i will admit that i was wrong and correct myself and promise not to get mad and say your full of shi*...
I looked at one once..then I shook my head and walked away..I was right..junk by any color is still..."Junk"!!!
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