Hogwarts - Better than the Movies?
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- čas přidán 19. 05. 2024
- How does the Hogwarts Legacy version of Hogwarts compare with the Hogwarts from the Harry Potter movies? And why doesn't everything add up? I get to the bottom of it. What I learned will shock you.
0:00 - Hogwarts Legacy
0:43 - Hogsmeade Station
1:34 - Hogwarts Compared
2:07 - Grand Tower and Hall
2:24 - The Problem Courtyard
3:14 - Boathouse
4:36 - Style of architecture
4:55 - Central courtyard
5:21 - Greenhouses
5:41 - Flying lessons
6:14 - Neville's Legacy
6:34 - WOMPING WILLOW TIME
7:20 - Hagrid's Hut and Forbidden Forest
7:59 - Conclusion
8:29 - The Ultimate Question - Hry
I had my theories, but you've solidified them completely. Harry Potter was the 2nd shooter that really killed Gandalf.
Britain was doing school shootings before they were cool.
Harry is American confirmed. Pulled Gandalf right off that bridge
gandalf ? :D
@@pgetheelderscrollsturkiye68 yes old greybeard gandalf the wandering wizard
@@pgetheelderscrollsturkiye68You shall not pass!!!
I’m not saying Harry killed Dumbledore but I think the case should be revisited.
Nice Gojo pfp
LOL
Double Jeopardy...
After all the books and movies are from Harry's perspective...maybe he lied about Dumbledore's death and after felt bad and added an arc about Snape's redemption
After all, the books and movies are literally only hearsay from the perpetrator...
Fun fact: Hogwarts wasn't shot with a real sense of geography until the third (and best) movie, in which the director decided to make a layout to connect everything. He flexes this achievement with those birds flying to whomping willow cutaways. Ever since then, hogwarts had a consistent layout in the movies.
Why did they ever make the movies without having a clue how it all fit together?
Yeah, and the marauder's map also keeps the layout somewhat consistent from what I've heard.
@@lukasg4807 because the books where not done and they probably didn't want to bother finalizing a design they'd have to change again once new details about Hogwarts came to light
@@lukasg4807 In movies it doesn't really matter if it all fits together
the marauders map sort of required a layout to be made
In the books they explain that the womping willow was planted to hide the passage to the howling hut where lupin had to hide whenever he turned into a wolf. (It was approved by Dumbledore)
It's funny that people who don't read the books think it's random. One of my favourite book series is one of the best selling but the movies just eroded the pop culture knowledge lol
Don't you mean the shrieking shack? 😆
@@normietwiceremoved I bet the OP read the series in a different language and is translating.
@@nikolaivii5766 "Womping Willow? Does he mean the Beating Platanus?"
@@normietwiceremoved yes I translated from german, I'm listening to the English audio books right now and it's really interesting to learn all the English names
6:15 bro just explained Neville's entire character arc using architectural references.
Remember that unnecesarily convoluted plot point that explained the Elder Wand belonged to Harry because Dumbledore was disarmed by Malfoy and and then Harry stole his wand so technically he beat hi? It always sounded like bullshit to me. Now I know why -- because it is.
@@2kliksphilip destroying evidence ? i think we're on to something....i mean it can't be that rowling just did some bad writing right ? RIGHT !?
@@killer88327 or that harry grew up to be a slave owning fed.
@@killer88327 probably a bad writing (or the movie adaptation screwed it up) but I'm no expert so my opinion is declined.
@@digojez Speaking of bad writing, i always hated the animated hallows part of deathly hallows, it feels so cheap and not fitting...
@@killer88327 well, correcting a pothole in a book is much easier than in any other medium. I don't think this was a cockup, it was intentional
In the novels, it is explained that only Albus Dumbledore, James Potter, Sirius Black, and Peter Pettigrew knew that Remus Lupin was a werewolf (later Snape also came to know this), and Remus and the other 3 marauders went to Shrieking Shack every full moon to conceal Lupin's transformation into a wolf. So, Dumbledore planted the Whomping Willow to safeguard the tunnel leading to the Shrieking Shack, so no student dared go there (of course, aside from Snape), and Lupin's identity would be kept hidden.
Hogwarts Legacy takes place roughly around 100 years before these events, so it was a great decision to not include the Whomping Willow in the game just for nostalgia's sake.
exactly this, putting it in the game would have been stupidly wrong. I thought it was common knowledge is was planted because of lupin, because it was even adressed in the movies wasn't it?
Could have been cool to have one somewhere on the map though, like the way north of the map possibly, as just one of the trees and not THE whomping willow
Although I bet that coding that tree would certainly be a task
@@LunnarisLP I don't remember it being mentioned in the movies.
@@LunnarisLP i don't think it was ever mentioned in the movies
@@khursaadt the movies don’t mention a lot of things
I'm someone who is trying to recreate the whole Hogwarts castle in Source for CSGO. In the past I managed to recreate the deathly hallows version of Hogwarts but I had a lot of trouble figuring out the interiors. Now that Hogwarts Legacy came out I'm recreating the interiors like it is in the game. It won't be that detailed but more simple and up to Source Engine limits. I may never finish the map but will try.
Sounds cool
Post a link to workshop and the source files. Someone may finish it in your stead if you won't
you can do it man! love seeing people put so much effort into a project.
Not even on Source 2s map editor? Bless your cursed soul
"Why don't wizards use guns"
Honestly the best part about the whole game is to find out and explore the whole hogwarts area
amen, their work sewing it all together was great!.
It’s one of my favorite locations now in gaming. It’s so detailed, lived in and feels like a real place
It's really the only reason I was interested in this game at all. The castle looks gorgeous and being able to fully explore it is a dream come true.
I spent almost 3 hours exploring Hogwarts and hogsmead the first time I played it
Yup and the multiplayers mods will make Hogwarts a popular VR meeting and RP location.
in the begginning of the game you coldn't see thestrails flying your carriage, but when the dragon killed that george guy, they suddenly appear just like the movie explained, you can only see them if you ever saw someone die. cool detail.
Yeah I thought that was well done too
My jaw genuinely dropped at that lol
And I legit thought that was a visual glitch.
Yeah, the devs put in a lot of really cool details into the games, some of which didn't absolutely need to be included, but it is damn cool that they did.
That was such an intense scene and amazing way to start the game I thikk
I’d be interested to see a comparison between Hogwarts Legacy and the scale model of Hogwarts at Warner Bros. Studios in Watford.
One, a mostly compliant real building; and the other a piece of art that doesn't obey laws or physics.
and hogwarts from the lego games, the true Hogwarts
*Hagrids Legacy
Hogwarts legacy is more whimsical and tacky, the scale model(to me) has a better design and feel. More gothic and Romanesque and less Disney
@@HiddevanGelder but doesn’t it work of old Lego game rules so “no open world” unless I am forgetting something which I could I played them over 7 years ago
That game was good tho a bit underrated if you ask me
The Whomping Willow has significant story purpose. It was planted when Remus Lupin arrived at school, so that he could use the place underneath it to hideout when he transformed into a werewolf and no other student would accidentally stumble upon him. It wasn't planted even when Molly and Arthur Weasley attended, and it's mentioned pretty explicitly in the story. Maybe perhaps they could have had some workaround to still keep it in the game, but still, the story checks out as to why it's not there.
The skits in this video are so good. Well done Philip, you had me cracking up.
What skits?
@@Finnishmanni 6:03 as an example
I always thought of Hagrid as the gatekeeper to the forbidden forest so splitting him from it sounds weird af
He isn't in the game this since it's set 100years before. So it's kinda possible Hagrid had the hut moved
pretty sure he's the grounds/game keeper of hogwarts.
@@zandr4449 Nah, Hagrid is so fucking badass that he decided to move the forest instead. After all, we clearly see his hut right next to the bridge in PoA.
@@NickJerrison so it's more like the forbidden forest is in the wrong place in the game? 🤔
@@NickJerrison forests grow...
Loved the use of ICARUS when finding out where Dumbledore died
i feel like the game did a good job combining the book's source material, the best visual bits of the movies, and their own creative liberty for gameplay purposes
Yeah, It’s honestly everything I was hoping for pretty much. Not much of a fan of the whole starting as a fifth year, but it does make sense, and it would be kinda hard to fit 7 years into a game. Now if they do the main Harry Potter games, then it would be easier. Plus imagine playing a level depicting Kreature’s tale.
Want to add on to the game devs acheivement, they not only had to make a hogwarts exterior consistent across 8 movies and 7 books, but also the interior AND not make it boring or illogical to walk in. Its one thing making it look cinematic for camera. Making it playable is another beast.
That should really be the definitive version of the castle. I’m still iffy with the grand staircase, but everything else is basically perfect
Philip you can free cam for better angles using nvidias ansel thing just hit alt f2
Great video as usual Philip.
Could you make one comparing the insides of the castle? In your previous video i saw some of it, without the comparison with scenes from the movie of course, as you showed here, but i bet there is a lot more to see. And in your video format it is really fun to watch.
If i remember correctly, the castle is kind of a "living" thing. The layout changes with time or something like that.
No, walkways would change location and where they led, staircases would go to floors you weren't expecting, yadda yadda, but there was never any indication of it adding to itself, as that would cause issues with traversal that would just leave most parts of the building inaccessible and/or impossible to navigate.
@@DxBlack Theres Pottermore and other sources that specifically say that its not just the stairs moving but the whole castle is changing.
That's the lazy way of saying the didn't care about structural/layout sense.
@@Splarkszter this potter fabs forever making excuses and reaching
@@jim-wr3lp "Whimsical" as you say is actually a writing technique (lazy or not) to explain away inconsistent things like this in advance I would say.
Well I wasn't going to click this video but FUCK ME IS THAT A RED ARROW IT THE THUMBNAIL?? SAY NO MORE I'M IN!!!
🔝
Would you continue this video maybe for the inner part of Hogwarts? Would be interesting how this compares and where the chamber of secrets or the room with fluffy and so on is.
Its insane how they managed to transform the books and games into a game map that's makes sense. Been reading the art book and it's great to see how they make it so authentic and still put there own spin on it.
I love running around the map just looking at everything. I avoid using the floo network inside the castle. This makes me want to see this as the hogwarts in the new series. And/or remakes of the original games, but this time be more book accurate
The "game world" in this game is so good. I have walked around for hours now, and I still prefer to walk over fast travel.... Not many games I can say the same for.
Same, I will fast travel if I’m really far, but I just love running around the castle. It’s so weird too because it’s familiar yet new at the same time
do a video comparing it to the old video games! prisoner of azkaban and half blood prince had pretty cool hogwarts maps
Flandrew did a pretty good job on his channel. He does a lot of game comparisons that I feel are well done. czcams.com/video/pu9QOdwzfRY/video.html&ab_channel=Flandrew
5:55 indeed, I visited the castle where that was recorded on a holiday, no Hogwarts behind it.
Funny how it's still exactly as it was in the films, I didn't quite recall the scenes when I was there.
Hey philip! In case you intend on taking more screenshots from this game. I believe the game supports Nvidia Ansel so you can freecam around with full res textures and without the player character in the way :D
Awesome video as always!
The best comparison video out there!
And just fun to watch. Love your content.
Sir. A second Avada Kedabra has hit the wizzard.
Theres a guy on youtube called 'Build it with Ben' who does a full breakdown on all the castle changes in the movie. A lot of it was down to not knowing certain things in the castle would be added in later books.
I was waiting for this video but wasn't surprised it first came from you. Well done
This is exactly the map peeping content I expected from you, good vid! (and obviously, try to ignore the flavor of the month drama down here)
I've really enjoyed playing Order Of The Phoenix back in the day, and I think it might be the first one to actually feature fully traversible Hogwarts environment, I remember seeing some devs interview where they would boast about creating this lore-accurate map. I'd be very interested to see it compared to Hagrid Legacy. Just saying.
The map layouts are very similar.
Hagrid's legacy? 😂
@@gghs9162 There's no Hogwarts without Hagrid.
The first three games were pretty much open world, but order of the phoenix did have the most movie accurate map, same with the half blood prince, but hogwarts legacy managed to combine all the elements into basically the definitive map
I just realized this game would take place roughly in the same time period as Red Dead Redemption II
Which I find very strange
Crossover time?
the hello google in bing asking for hagrid's legacy made me lol
also "grabbing their shaft" 😂
i'm surprised you didn't bring up harry potter and the order of the phoenix and half blood prince games, they too had fairly realistic renditions of hogwarts (HBP was a slightly expanded and modified one but mostly similar to ootp) that actually do manage to nail most of the movies stuff in a realistic map. when I play the game, I think that's what I'm really going to focus on, how did they use the games maps and what changes did they make? i do vaguely remember never seeing a lake and being a bit weirded out. now that I try to think about the lake, it would roughly be placed exactly where it seems to be here, behind hagrids hut (although I imagine it to be further away a bit) but it's still surprisingly close enough to what I can imagine it as. pretty neat.
"Miss McGonnagall, a second Avada Kedavra has hit the Professor"
Fun fact: They actually already did a digital recreation of Hogwarts in the games based on the 5th and 6th films. It was a big marketing thing at the time and from my memory, those were extremely accurate. But since HL takes place way before the movies, I remember seeing the devs mention that they took creative liberty. So that why it doesn't look 100% like what Hogwarts looks like in the movies.
they have similar issues still because the movie layout changes and is not always teh same.
@@gabrielandy9272 True, but it was closer to the films and especially is 1 on 1 for the 5th and 6th films' version of Hogwarts.
I also look at it as different depictions because the HL version is more accurate to the books. Though I do give credit to the PS2 games for making fully realized versions of the movie castle. But I always felt kinda underwhelmed when comparing the movie castle to the descriptions in the books
There are some documentaries on the film series where they mentioned that the layout of Hogwarts had to be changed for almost every movie. As the series went on they finally kind of fine-tuned the layout, but it's notably different between say the first and the fourth movie.
This has to be one of your best videos what a treat
I mean, you could have used alt +f2 to get the freecam functionality from nvidia photo mode in order to circumvent the awkward camera mechanics.
Great video. I'm sending all my friends to watch it! Keep up the great work!
The Astronomy tower is supposed to be near the front of the castle with a clear view, looking down , of both the front entrance and Hagrid’s house as described in Order of the Phoenix. There are drawings of the book castle to be found online and they don’t really match up with the movie castle in many ways. But even the movie castle changes to fit each story as you demonstrated.
Really puts a convincing new spin on the magic bullet theory
The amount of dedication and detail in Hogwarts Legacy is absolutely staggering. I don't think the team could've done a much better job at building this world.
Yeah, this makes me want to see video game remakes of the original 7 with the hogwarts legacy map while adding Diagon Ally as well as privet drive
Awesome. Now make a second Video. I bet there are more location Referenzes in books and movies. Hogsmeet and the secret Tunnel for example.
I like how the entrance to Griffindor's house in the game is the one used for the Philosopher's Stone movie, instead of being in that one room with the moving stairs from the Prisoner of Azkaban movie.
Great vid :)
Btw in earlier movies they needed to film on more actual (castle) locations because they didn't have time yet to build all the sets properly
I was making Hogwarts castle for my 3d modeling project and boy was it frustrating to see the original castle design change in every other scene...
it would be super helpful if we were able to use lumos just like revelio while we were on our brooms. it just gets too dark sometimes. Also not being able to see your beneath and have to push Ctrl button is hella annoying.
Yeah hate the whole beneath thing.. also you can't look up, hopefully that's something that gets fixed.
wow, i never read/seen any of the Harry Potter films/books, and you've kept my interest throughout. well done :)
that fall not lining up at all was also the first burning question i answered for myself as soon as i got a broom
Glad u covered this.
Dumbledore was an inside job.
Ah no wait, very interesting theory :D
I watched the movies a lot but I never noticed how often the castle and it's layout changed. Thanks for the interesting video.
The ending was hilarious, but the icarus blasting in the background gave me goosebumps anyway :D
such a fun watch, glad you popped up in my recommended again!
If you look north of Hogwarts you can find a hut, that looks way more similar to Hagrids hut in the movie right next to the forbidden forest. Maby that is supposed to be Hagrids hut.
I think that was originally a storage hut, but Dumbledore converted it to an actual house when Hagrid became gamekeeper
Fun fact: Hogwarts in Hogwarts Legacy is a recreation of the Castle based on the books, not the movies😊
it clearly is based on the films as well
@@danielhall6354yeah, but that’s more the visual aspect.
@@tgiacin435 so it's not only based on the books...
@@danielhall6354 I know, visually it takes cues from the movies, but the layout is more closer to the books like the ladder to the divination classroom, and the main entrance and the front drive
5:58 I visited Alnwick castle in the north of England absolutely ages ago, and on the way there I was told "it's where they filmed Harry Potter!" so you can imagine the disappointment of 12 year old me when I arrived to a castle that wasn't the splitting image of Hogwarts, when in fact it was just the section where they filmed some of the flying lesson scenes.
It's a shame really because Alnwick castle is a lovely place, and has a huge garden full of sculptures and paths. There's also a locked poison garden - Tom Scott made a video about it.
Oh yeah, the poison garden was sick. I went there when I was young and hyperfixated on Harry Potter, and I remember being excited at the mentions of wolfsbane
all my favorite areas are the ones where the music shines. the vivariums, obviously (the beach just barely edging of the forest for me), and the faculty tower hallway right outside the gryffindor common room is always fucking raging and i could legitimately just sit there and listen to any of those areas
There's also the additional fact that the devs took more notes from the books when making the castle plus sprinkling in some of their own design elements. This game's Hogwarts is more close to kind what the books tried to describe.
A more 1:1 design of Movie Hogwarts would probably be the one from the Half-Blood Prince game, whos entire focus was to just recreate the castle as close to the movie design as perfectly as possible .
With the movies you also had the issue that it had a lot of different directors working on it and good luck telling a director that he or she should keep in a decision a previous director made, cause to them it won't match up with their "idea" or "vision" fully, this was especially notable with the Goblet Of Fire movie where the director considered the previous directors as more of a competition that he needs to somehow one up, which caused that to be the worst Potter movie (well alongside the big fact the director also didn't fully read the book and kept complaining it was too big for him)
lmao as if
You can actually use Nvidia Photo Mode (Alt+F2) to get better camera angles in-game / shots that don't show your character.
@@freedmfe8934 Only games that have Ansel support.
@@freedmfe8934 Nvidia drivers hooks into the game and can do basically anything they please unless stopped by an anti-cheat.
@@NOVAKMovies Good example was the smoke glitch a few years back in CS, where with the right Nvidia settings you could make smokes basically transparent
4:55 The space in "slap bang" here caught me off guard
I am happy they went for having both the boathouse and underground harbor at the same time.
Good lord, this is beautiful. Watching this video made me drop a tear. So many memories
thank you so much for teaching us about your country's history philip!!
That's why I love your channel... because of videos like this!
p.s. BTW is this the maximum in game settings? Because I've heard this game being praised of looking awesome.
7:38 "Can't see what's going on, it's too dark" - Laughed my ass off. 🤣
thank you, as someone who only watched the movies this also really bugged me
What’s good about this game is just how accurate it is how they described it to the books
While also keeping elements from the movies. This was basically everything I was hoping for with this map
If you look behind Hagrid’s Hut in the POA shot, there actually is a small lake/swamp there, just blending in with the rest of the background. This was a real body of water on location where they filmed
Your attention to detail is incredible Phil much love.
The ending is brilliant!
Have you played the older Harry Potter Games too? How do those layouts match up?
The Whomoing willow was planted over the secret entrance to the Shrieking Shack, so Remus Lupin could go there and be undisturbed when he turned into a werewolf during his years as a student there. It would have been seriously incorrect for it to appear in the game as it was specifically stated in the books to have been planted in that year, which is the same year Sirius, James, Peter Pettigrew and Lupin join the school and that's years after the game takes place.
If anybody else was wondering, the song that starts on 6:33 used on so many of 3kliksphilip's videos these days is "Steventhedreamer - Wistful winds"
It would be interesting to know if the game's interiors are actually inside the game's exteriors ? Or if they are just instanced in a far off out of bounds area of the map ?
I can't prove it 100%, but at least SOME areas indicate that they are indeed connected:
The quest markers, when viewed from the outside on a broomstick, match up with where they should be on the inside;
When using Revelio on a broomstick next to some doors that have locks on the inside, you see those locks on the other side of the door;
Some interior areas have proper windows that you can see through, and at least those areas match up 100%.
So, either they are VERY good at hiding it, or they really did stuff the interiors actually inside the interior and tried to match it as closely as possible.
The minimap and the ability to stand in doorway thresholds suggest the rooms are located within the castle. I guess the only way to know for sure is some kind of noclip utility.
the interiors seem to be properly interior, but they also need to be loaded sometimes because sometimes the doors won't open for a second or two and there's a loading symbol
the only disappointments for me was the absence of diagon alley (hoping for DLC to expand the world and some new quests - they would be dumb not to use such opportunity, since i'm most likely not the only one who would pay for it easily), and the fact, that forbidden forest is not next to hagrid's hut, which seemed weird as hell to me
They've said there's been no talks of DLC which is a little stupid imo, longevity of the title is at risk of they decide to skip add ons, content updates or DLCs. Especially when it's sold so well.
Tri-wizard Cup, Quidditch, Diagon Alley, More Beasts and Online could improve this game so much.
Hogwarts Legacy has Nvidia Ansel on PC so you can use it to better lineup shots in the future as it's basically a photo mode, I think the default command for it is Alt + F2
3:18 oh look a smiley face on the shadow figure at the entrance :)
NEXT THING YOU'LL SAY IS THAT VOLDEMORT IS THE GOOD GUY. (like please do, I loved the wacky conspiracy section, good job haha)
Philip mate, Hogwarts Legacy has Nvidia Ansel support *flies away*
After some exploration of Hogwart, this is not the boathouse the students enter from, they enter the one that is under it, I can't really remember clearly but IIRC, when they arrive just afte the boat, they immidiately go trough clean stairs inside where Malfoy is taunting Ron, and it kinda match it with the way they arrive from that subterrain docking station, the page you collect there (the basement boathouse, not the outside one) clearly state that first year students arrives from there :).
I never really thought of the games castle being the same as the movie one ever. Interesting thought process
I actually Do know the layout of Hogwarts, purely because of a Minecraft server that built it, REALLY good map. And, honestly, this game's outside-of-Hogwarts is pretty similar to the Minecraft map..........ODD! Probably just used the same reference material though................................................or I just have a terrible memory.
You know, even in the book I am pretty sure Hagrid's hut is near the Forbidden Forest...or, atleast that is what I imagined.
The thumbnail isn't very readable, you may want to change it to maximize your CTR... Keep up with the good content anyway
The ending had me.
I'd say their priority was the books (as it should be), whilst taking care to satisfy the few things that the unattentious movie watches might actually have noticed.
8:34 Gandalf!?😏
Great video bro!
To me this has become the definitive layout of Hogwarts and its surrounding area. It's the only one to actually make any sense overall.
I can't believe it. A 2kliksphilip video that isn't about upscaling or AI.
You really gotta appreciate the developers attention to detail. So much has been faithfully recreated while also integrating book locations within it. I’m sure any Harry Potter fans dream was to be able to freely explore the entirety of Hogwarts unrestricted and now thanks to this game, we can.
6:52 it was planted to "guard" the secret entrance to the shrieking shack
6:15 incredible character development by Neville. Goes from being inadept to at least doing something to pro at dueling.
Could anyone tell me what the name of the music track that plays starting 6:34 is?
@@2kliksphilip thank you! This is my favorite one out of all of your dad's music. Super space feels 🌌
noticed all the discrepancy you pointed out too, great video
6:34 brilliant search sequence
Really enjoyed this; I've always wanted to see Harry Potter related content from you, please do more!
I think they made it better for most parts in Hogwarts Legacy. Except for the inside of the Grand Staircase. Don't like that it's a round spiral stairs, and in the movies they're more straight and in a square. Which actually doesn't make sence if the stairs is round on the outside though :P
This has an easy explanation. It's just easier to code moving staircases that are fixed in places, but appeared while someone is close to them, instead of straight staircases that keep moving at time intervals. Also, people would complain a lot! Imagine having to wait for the staircase to stop while the place you're trying to go isn't that far, and you have to keep waiting and walking to multiple places
@@SoraRaida eh. I would prefer the trouble. The moving stair cases feel iconic to me with amount of camera shots we get swooping in between them
@@LilOleTinyMe They actually tried that in the _Order of the Phoenix_ and _Half-Blood Prince_ video games. The common complaint is that just because it's accurate to the movies it doesn't mean it's a good gameplay mechanic, as it ruins pacing and tends to glitch out, especially when it comes to NPCs.
if you renovate you can also add a second track.
The astronomy tower in the movies is aligned with the centre of the courtyard but in the game it was shifted to be on the far back wall above the DADA block