I accidently did one of these in my second tourney ever, a few days ago, and everyone was impressed lol. Of course, I didn't tell them it was a beautiful accident...
It's not really something to be impressed about. It's less impressive than a wall tech, Or even a pivot into anything. People in that tourney had some low ass standards
Amsah has admitted that he did not create or popularize this technique, he actually learned it from Overtriforce. Thats why people in europe call it "the over-tech", and i think we should too.
You're supposed to do maximal horizontal trajectory DI (Combo DI), which in most cases is down and away with the control stick, NOT down and in. You'll then roll toward the edge but that doesn't matter since you stop at the edge in any case. This is very important against moves that send up and away (most moves). For example, Fox can amsah tech Samus fsmash at 134% with proper TDI (down and away). If he holds down and in instead, he can't tech even at 70%, and the attempt will make his survivability much worse than just with normal survival DI. Also SDI is irrelevant if you were hit from the ground, except at some special cases where there's a lot of hitlag involved, and you need to SDI toward specific angle which makes amsah teching unfeasible in those cases anyway. (rest, knee for example).
yeah that's what i was thinking. even if you do down and in di AND asdi down, it's still probably worse than down and away di and asdi down. I don't even think most people even do the asdi down, lol
Dude wtf you saved me. Ive been using uncle punch to practice and I was never even close to get amsah techs because I was literally DIing the wrong way. Thank you.
@@Emperorerror Lol the exact same thing happened to me. i was confused cuz im a peach main and thought "maybe she cant cuz she to floaty" but then it didnt work with fox neither so i came here and he saved me
it's pretty wack that in the Uncle Punch training pack it has this video as the tutorial for amsah teching, and in this video Kira says, 'Axe holds directly in with the control stick and down on the c-stick'. which is incorrect and the only move you have to amsah-tech is Marth's up-B which I've only been able to tech by holding down on the c-stick and down + away on the control stick. so the tutorial is useless in the context of the Uncle Punch event because you can't tech Marth's up-B by either method mentioned in the tutorial.
holy shit I know this is a year old but thank you so much. I'm sitting here in that training event trying to get it by holding down and in with the control stick, and as soon as I try holding down and away I nail it.
Thanks for the great tutorial Kira! Ever since I was seeing m2k survive smash attacks as sheik at like 150 percent with this I've been wondering how to do it like him! Hopefully now more scrubs like myself can pull this off when it counts rather than just top players, keep up the good work!
Do you know how Amsah teching actually works? You use the C stick to ASDI down. The way you DI with the grey stick changes both how long you can AT the move and how fast you slide away while teching. By DIing so that your trajectory is closer to the ground, you'll be able to AT for longer but be sent flying farther away. Conversely, DIing so that your trajectory is higher makes you slide less far away, but doesn't work for as long.
It depends on the angle of the move, down and away isn't always the optimal way to AT a move. Check ikneedata.com/calculator if you want to get a better grasp of how DI affects this
you can 100% tech fox up smash. hold c-stick down and control stick horizontal, absolutely my favorite thing to do when I miss a rest and they think it's a free kill, maybe it's jigglydpuff exclusive but it is by no means impossible
Quote by ArmadaUGS "This story will be shortly explained. Amsah: The one that showed it to Americans a lot (2010) Over: The one that did it the best and most consistently Me: I started to use it in 2006, but Over and the Spanish community did never travel to European events until Epita 2 in feb 2008. So I can't possibly know if me or Over did it first." It's either the Over tech or the Armada tech. Considering Over was before Amsah, and the most consistent, I don't see why it should be called anything else than the "Over tech"
No, you can roll away too... and it's better most of the time. By DIing down and away (and therefore using the roll away)... Sheik can amsah tech Marth's tippered forward smash to like 109%! So by doing it down and away, you can amsah tech things longer..... Really wish you went over it.. :/
i kinda which they would mention friction/traction ( not sure which one melee uses or if it uses both wich one factors more) since chatacters with less traction have a harder time garbing the ledge after the tech. i use luigi and too often do i tech the hit, roll to the edge and then fly off the stage with crazy speed because luigi has little traction.
+Magus422 OK, just to clarify, who was right? @taukhan or me about the traction. I sounds like me but I can't find @ taukhan message to remember exactly what he said
This may sound completely dumb, I'm not sure if I'm wrong or if it's just coincidence. But when I'm dash dancing as Falcon, when I short hop when I turn around when he's supposed to be standing up for those certain amount of frames. I think it makes me run a bit faster. Pretty sure I'm wrong though.
I spent three years playing melee wondering why I cant amsah tech and have learned that this tutorial is wrong and your supposed to hold down and away and honestly I'm not even mad I'm just baffled lmao
can you guys do a new series called "how to beat x character" talking about certain matchups and the most favorable and unfavorable matchups and how to play them. i cant beat this luigi at my weekly, plz start with him.
Yes. You can crouch cancel fox's up-smash until about 180-200% depending on the stage and your character. Jiggs will only survive until about 110%, i believe.
Can we get a vududash tutorial or a more in depth Luigi wavedash guide. I don't know about everyone else but I'm having a problem of getting those super long wave dashes to come out.
Puff main. I know this is good against knee, but can I amsah tech his fsmash? And can't analog stick down and away be better since it affects launch angle more?
This ... doesn't seem quite right. The Amsah tech is possible because you have ASDI'd and regular DI'd as close to the ground as possible. That's why you hold C-stick down to ASDI down as close to the ground as possible, and that's why you *should* hold the Control Stick at a 90 degree angle to the attack's ordinary trajectory to regular DI as close to the ground as possible. We already know that regular DI is most effective when at a 90 degree angle to the trajectory of the attack, you literally cannot argue that Down+In is going to be more beneficial (unless it happens to be at that 90 degree angle). Using the ASDI down + regular DI at a 90 degree angle, it *IS* possible to Amsah tech a move that sends you straight up, such as Fox's usmash. I can consistently Amsah-tech Fox's usmash as Puff using C-stick down and Control Stick hard away (most commonly after missed Rest) as long as I am low%. Also, the direction you techroll in is unimportant, it's the duration of the techroll that affects the momentum you have when the techroll is over, because momentum decays as a function of time.
I can say for sure that you're right about fox's usmash. If unstaled and uncharged puff can only tech it to 37% though, and at percents that low fox players would go for a different rest punish. Or they would add damage with lasers first. A fully charged fsmash can only be teched by puff at 16% or lower, and let's be real, no decent fox main is going to go for such a bad punish anyway. They're more likely to go for lasers > upthrow > bair. So it's not a for useful amsah tech. But it does exist. Might be more useful with other characters, but from what I've looked at, it's only techable when you're at a percentage at which the other player is very unlikely to use it because it won't kill. I would imagine this is the case for most moves that hit at a similar trajectory and can be Amsah teched. Amsah tech is much more useful against moves that hit more horizontally, as shown in the video. E.g. Marth can Amsah tech Marth's tipper fsmash up to 104% with ASDI down and regular DI down and away (206%) if CC'ing Marth's Shield Breaker cannot be Amsah teched at anywhere near such a high percentage, so Marths tend to favour that for a rest punish (also it has higher knockback when charged anyway) Physics is fun :)
you can wall tech it (we have a video for that too). if you're on stage you just hold upwards and you won't go as far offstage. amsah teching peach's dsmash is dangerous because you dont want to be holding down while getting hit by it
As a puff main Amsah techs are my reason to be, so I'm sorry to say that this is an incredibly superficial view of the technique. No h8 Kira, I still love you plz don't kill me :(
To get ASDI down and trajectory DI down and away at the same time. ASDI and trajectory di are read on the exact same frame, so you have to use both sticks to get different inputs for them.
So, you know if you hold away from a multi hit move like Fox's drill or rapid jabs you'll slowly move away from them? The reason you can do that is because of something called Automatic Smash DI. It actually happens every time you get hit, but you might not have noticed it if you haven't looked closely. Anyways, usually ASDI is controlled by your grey stick, so you'll normally always ASDI in the same direction you'll trajectory DI in. The c stick actually overrides the grey stick's input for ASDI, which makes it possible to ASDI in one direction and trajectory DI in another. We use the c stick to ASDI down so we can Amsah tech for longer, in a nutshell.
I did it on Lylat Cruise, I can't seem to do it on other stages that well. Probably because of the tilt of the stage. I also got the Clawshot to ledge momentum cancel on Lylat once too.
+SSG SAX GAMER its the same technique. There been a lot of debate in europe if it should be called Over or Amsah Tech. In the Netherlands JP was the first to find out about this in 2006. Overtriforce popularised it in Europe in 2008/2009. Amsah made it world wild known in his set vs Zhu in 2010 at Pound4.
You are demonstrating the tech wrong in my opinion, it doesn't work if you angle towards the middle of the stage, you have to angle the stick directely away to the ledge to get the amsah tech, also see this video and try it by yourself if you don't believe it czcams.com/video/_sADHrkdiU4/video.html
Just saying, I use down on the C-stick, and down + away on the control stick for most moves. Not directly left/right lol
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Oh shit it's Axe LMAO
Commenting on a youtube video to clear up an incorrect or misleading statement about yourself is known as the Armada.
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thats the right way if you want to asmah tech every horizontal sending move in the game.
I accidently did one of these in my second tourney ever, a few days ago, and everyone was impressed lol. Of course, I didn't tell them it was a beautiful accident...
i discovered it by accident as well, and then i took advantage of it
+lil2Gutz I already knew about it, I just couldn't do it for the life of me.
It's not really something to be impressed about. It's less impressive than a wall tech, Or even a pivot into anything. People in that tourney had some low ass standards
Ignore the guy above you, obviously is insecure of "low ass standards"
Amsah has admitted that he did not create or popularize this technique, he actually learned it from Overtriforce. Thats why people in europe call it "the over-tech", and i think we should too.
lets go spain
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"Let us go, Spain" -Catalonia.
Maybe let's just keep it Amsah tech now...
You're supposed to do maximal horizontal trajectory DI (Combo DI), which in most cases is down and away with the control stick, NOT down and in. You'll then roll toward the edge but that doesn't matter since you stop at the edge in any case. This is very important against moves that send up and away (most moves). For example, Fox can amsah tech Samus fsmash at 134% with proper TDI (down and away). If he holds down and in instead, he can't tech even at 70%, and the attempt will make his survivability much worse than just with normal survival DI.
Also SDI is irrelevant if you were hit from the ground, except at some special cases where there's a lot of hitlag involved, and you need to SDI toward specific angle which makes amsah teching unfeasible in those cases anyway. (rest, knee for example).
yeah that's what i was thinking. even if you do down and in di AND asdi down, it's still probably worse than down and away di and asdi down. I don't even think most people even do the asdi down, lol
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Dude wtf you saved me. Ive been using uncle punch to practice and I was never even close to get amsah techs because I was literally DIing the wrong way. Thank you.
God send, saved me on uncle punch
@@Emperorerror Lol the exact same thing happened to me. i was confused cuz im a peach main and thought "maybe she cant cuz she to floaty" but then it didnt work with fox neither so i came here and he saved me
it's pretty wack that in the Uncle Punch training pack it has this video as the tutorial for amsah teching, and in this video Kira says, 'Axe holds directly in with the control stick and down on the c-stick'. which is incorrect and the only move you have to amsah-tech is Marth's up-B which I've only been able to tech by holding down on the c-stick and down + away on the control stick. so the tutorial is useless in the context of the Uncle Punch event because you can't tech Marth's up-B by either method mentioned in the tutorial.
You can amsah-tech on platforms if you are falcon kneed you just have to hit it right, as long as you fly through the platform you can tech
holy shit I know this is a year old but thank you so much. I'm sitting here in that training event trying to get it by holding down and in with the control stick, and as soon as I try holding down and away I nail it.
THANK YOU I've never been able to do the tech on Uncle Punch and I had no idea what I was doing wrong.
Kira, I saw you play against Squid yesterday, you did great!
I know and already use this technique as Missed Rest survival DI. But its good to see you can use it with other characters!
Is this... a *tech* tech?!
*TECHCEPTION*
***** no u
+boom that was rude, he was just saying a pun
Ive done this a few times but always on accident so this is really great for me
you guys should do a video on v canceling, how to practice it and its effects
Thanks for the great tutorial Kira! Ever since I was seeing m2k survive smash attacks as sheik at like 150 percent with this I've been wondering how to do it like him! Hopefully now more scrubs like myself can pull this off when it counts rather than just top players, keep up the good work!
Holding down and in on control stick will give you no DI on any move that sends you at a 45 angle. This video is inaccurate.
I spent more time watching the pillow commercial beefore this vid than i did the vid and now i really want a new pillow.
Do you know how Amsah teching actually works? You use the C stick to ASDI down. The way you DI with the grey stick changes both how long you can AT the move and how fast you slide away while teching. By DIing so that your trajectory is closer to the ground, you'll be able to AT for longer but be sent flying farther away. Conversely, DIing so that your trajectory is higher makes you slide less far away, but doesn't work for as long.
It depends on the angle of the move, down and away isn't always the optimal way to AT a move. Check ikneedata.com/calculator if you want to get a better grasp of how DI affects this
What does AT mean?
Short for Amsah Tech. :P
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Thanks for making this!
Why does it seem like I frequently do this without holding down on the c stick...?
this tech was first popularize by over during tournoi super lyon 4 in 2009.
you can 100% tech fox up smash. hold c-stick down and control stick horizontal, absolutely my favorite thing to do when I miss a rest and they think it's a free kill, maybe it's jigglydpuff exclusive but it is by no means impossible
Quote by ArmadaUGS
"This story will be shortly explained. Amsah: The one that showed it to Americans a lot (2010) Over: The one that did it the best and most consistently Me: I started to use it in 2006, but Over and the Spanish community did never travel to European events until Epita 2 in feb 2008.
So I can't possibly know if me or Over did it first."
It's either the Over tech or the Armada tech. Considering Over was before Amsah, and the most consistent, I don't see why it should be called anything else than the "Over tech"
of course, I didn't even think of that. thanks for the clarification
No, you can roll away too... and it's better most of the time.
By DIing down and away (and therefore using the roll away)... Sheik can amsah tech Marth's tippered forward smash to like 109%!
So by doing it down and away, you can amsah tech things longer.....
Really wish you went over it.. :/
i kinda which they would mention friction/traction ( not sure which one melee uses or if it uses both wich one factors more) since chatacters with less traction have a harder time garbing the ledge after the tech. i use luigi and too often do i tech the hit, roll to the edge and then fly off the stage with crazy speed because luigi has little traction.
+tauKhan ohh, of course. that makes more sense. thanks for the clarification.
That's true in the air but not while on ground. Think shine on Luigi compared to Peach. She's lighter and takes more KB yet stops far quicker.
Forget what I said, magus is definitely right.
+Magus422 OK, just to clarify, who was right? @taukhan or me about the traction. I sounds like me but I can't find @ taukhan message to remember exactly what he said
You know... Amsah....the guy who used to go by the tag "Nihonjin"...not Amsa....the guy who is nihonjin.
So THAT'S what that is! I always do it on accident lol
This applies to PM, correct?
yup
in pm its extra broken because of sticky techs. I have done 2 at like 150 back to back. Then won. My opponent was not happy.
well then that sucks for your opponent and kudos to you
That 4.20 donation though. How do I donate?
link in the description!
oh so that's that. I've done multiple times by accident and never knew how. now i need to learn how to do a short side b with fox on purpose xD
I believe that's simple as well, you just press the side B input again right after the first one. The timing is a little tricky but easy to practice
This may sound completely dumb, I'm not sure if I'm wrong or if it's just coincidence. But when I'm dash dancing as Falcon, when I short hop when I turn around when he's supposed to be standing up for those certain amount of frames. I think it makes me run a bit faster. Pretty sure I'm wrong though.
I spent three years playing melee wondering why I cant amsah tech and have learned that this tutorial is wrong and your supposed to hold down and away and honestly I'm not even mad I'm just baffled lmao
OVER TECH*
im always holdin down brah
Ive seen a a guide for puff saying to hold down and away, not down and towards. Bit confused, could you clear this up?
brother amsah tech
can you guys do a new series called "how to beat x character" talking about certain matchups and the most favorable and unfavorable matchups and how to play them. i cant beat this luigi at my weekly, plz start with him.
kira sometimes as falco i get up smashed by fox at like 100 but i don't die. how does this work? is it literally just crouch cancelling?
Probably
Yes. You can crouch cancel fox's up-smash until about 180-200% depending on the stage and your character.
Jiggs will only survive until about 110%, i believe.
which moves does this work best against? fox and falcos' dsmash? falcon knee? samus fsmash?
@NXX P pretty much everyone knows this is just what it's called now
Can we get a vududash tutorial or a more in depth Luigi wavedash guide. I don't know about everyone else but I'm having a problem of getting those super long wave dashes to come out.
I keep air dodging Barely off the ground idk of my inputs are too slow or the analog stick is angled wrong.
Does this work in PM as well?
yes it does
im the opposite and hold down, which i why i just learned the name of this a while back
Puff main. I know this is good against knee, but can I amsah tech his fsmash? And can't analog stick down and away be better since it affects launch angle more?
I accidentally amsah tech shine sometimes and it makes me cry.
Any chance we get a video about how to wall tech things like marth F smash?
pewpewu has a pretty good video on it.
You have to smash DI towards the surface then press L or R
we've already made one, check it out
Make some yoshi tutorials for the three people that play yoshi! He's only my secondary, but still... Lol
"moves that hit you straight up cannot be teched" at canada cup 2017 grandfinals (maybe winners finals) M2K v Leffen, M2K amsah teched fox's upsmash
Nick Levitt fox has a hitbox where he sends ppl straight forward or somethinf like that if im not wrong, u can amsah tech that one (without s di)
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The aMSah tech.
anybody know character fall speeds, or where I can find them?
you should make a video on how to edgeguard peach
yes.
In the clip where you show the controller, it seems like you are just holding down L way before you''re actually getting hit, that actually works? :o
You have a 20 frame buffer where if you get hit by the move anywhere from 0-20 frames after you press L or R you will tech
Oh, shit, I did not know that! Thanks!
This ... doesn't seem quite right. The Amsah tech is possible because you have ASDI'd and regular DI'd as close to the ground as possible. That's why you hold C-stick down to ASDI down as close to the ground as possible, and that's why you *should* hold the Control Stick at a 90 degree angle to the attack's ordinary trajectory to regular DI as close to the ground as possible. We already know that regular DI is most effective when at a 90 degree angle to the trajectory of the attack, you literally cannot argue that Down+In is going to be more beneficial (unless it happens to be at that 90 degree angle).
Using the ASDI down + regular DI at a 90 degree angle, it *IS* possible to Amsah tech a move that sends you straight up, such as Fox's usmash. I can consistently Amsah-tech Fox's usmash as Puff using C-stick down and Control Stick hard away (most commonly after missed Rest) as long as I am low%.
Also, the direction you techroll in is unimportant, it's the duration of the techroll that affects the momentum you have when the techroll is over, because momentum decays as a function of time.
I can say for sure that you're right about fox's usmash. If unstaled and uncharged puff can only tech it to 37% though, and at percents that low fox players would go for a different rest punish. Or they would add damage with lasers first. A fully charged fsmash can only be teched by puff at 16% or lower, and let's be real, no decent fox main is going to go for such a bad punish anyway. They're more likely to go for lasers > upthrow > bair. So it's not a for useful amsah tech. But it does exist. Might be more useful with other characters, but from what I've looked at, it's only techable when you're at a percentage at which the other player is very unlikely to use it because it won't kill. I would imagine this is the case for most moves that hit at a similar trajectory and can be Amsah teched.
Amsah tech is much more useful against moves that hit more horizontally, as shown in the video.
E.g. Marth can Amsah tech Marth's tipper fsmash up to 104% with ASDI down and regular DI down and away (206%) if CC'ing
Marth's Shield Breaker cannot be Amsah teched at anywhere near such a high percentage, so Marths tend to favour that for a rest punish (also it has higher knockback when charged anyway)
Physics is fun :)
Oh
OVER tech no amsah tech 😫
If I'm Marth and I'm being edgeguarded by Peach, how can I live after being hit with her d-smash? Will an Amsah tech at least allow me to grab ledge?
you can wall tech it (we have a video for that too). if you're on stage you just hold upwards and you won't go as far offstage.
amsah teching peach's dsmash is dangerous because you dont want to be holding down while getting hit by it
I've done this on accident lol
As a puff main Amsah techs are my reason to be, so I'm sorry to say that this is an incredibly superficial view of the technique.
No h8 Kira, I still love you plz don't kill me :(
hi
I've done this a lot on purpose but didn't know the name cool :/
i thought amsa played yoshi
why is the c stick necessary?
To get ASDI down and trajectory DI down and away at the same time. ASDI and trajectory di are read on the exact same frame, so you have to use both sticks to get different inputs for them.
So, you know if you hold away from a multi hit move like Fox's drill or rapid jabs you'll slowly move away from them? The reason you can do that is because of something called Automatic Smash DI. It actually happens every time you get hit, but you might not have noticed it if you haven't looked closely. Anyways, usually ASDI is controlled by your grey stick, so you'll normally always ASDI in the same direction you'll trajectory DI in. The c stick actually overrides the grey stick's input for ASDI, which makes it possible to ASDI in one direction and trajectory DI in another.
We use the c stick to ASDI down so we can Amsah tech for longer, in a nutshell.
+Joe Schmoe ohhh okay thank you didn't know that
did you just mispell amash =_=
This is the Over tech, you are spreading wrong info. Even Amsah has said a lot of times he learned from Overtriforce
fox's up smash can be amsah teched
czcams.com/video/CID0cwpXPwc/video.html
at 15:31
Anybody here now if this works for Smash 4??
it doesnt,this is melee dude
I don't see why it shouldn't because there's still SDI and techs but I've never seen anyone do it so I assume it's impossible
SDI is much less useful in Smash 4, and I'm pretty sure you can't press the button to tech before getting hit.
I did it on Lylat Cruise, I can't seem to do it on other stages that well. Probably because of the tilt of the stage. I also got the Clawshot to ledge momentum cancel on Lylat once too.
JP tech > Over tech > Amsah tech. 😑😡
What's JP and over tech? I feel like this is a stupid queestion
+SSG SAX GAMER its the same technique. There been a lot of debate in europe if it should be called Over or Amsah Tech.
In the Netherlands JP was the first to find out about this in 2006.
Overtriforce popularised it in Europe in 2008/2009.
Amsah made it world wild known in his set vs Zhu in 2010 at Pound4.
You missed "DSDI Tech" in 2005 :p
You are demonstrating the tech wrong in my opinion, it doesn't work if you angle towards the middle of the stage, you have to angle the stick directely away to the ledge to get the amsah tech, also see this video and try it by yourself if you don't believe it
czcams.com/video/_sADHrkdiU4/video.html
Early!
Yo, do you chew on your fingernails? They look really bad...