Sacrifice in Vain | Defense of Lyon
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- The crimes committed by German forces during the Second World War are a topic which has received a large amount of attention in post-WW2 historiography. However, while much has been written, misconceptions still exist, perhaps most notably about which armed forces committed crimes, meaning the Waffen SS, of course, but often also the Wehrmacht, and when and where. While the largest scale crimes took place in the East from 1941 onward, there were already significant atrocities performed earlier in the war, in 1939 and 1940, not just in Poland, but also in France. Today, we’ll be dealing with the defense of Lyon, while a future video will deal with its bloody aftermath.
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FARAC (Fédération des amicales régimentaires et d’anciens combattants de Lyon et de la région - ENG: Federation of Regimental and Veterans Associations of Lyon and its region): text of FARAC president Divisional General François Lescel: www.farac.org/index.php/memoi...
Presentation by Julien Fargettas (Directeur du service départemental de la Loire de l’Office National des Anciens Combattants et victimes de guerre - ENG: Director of the Loire departemental service of the National Office of Veterans and Victims of War) and Baptise Garin (co-author of several works alongside Fargettas) via the CHRD (Centre d’histoire de la résistance et de la déportation - ENG: Center for the History of the Resistance and Deportation): www.chrd.lyon.fr/sites/chrd/f...
Conference by Julien Fargettas, made available by the CHRD: www.chrd.lyon.fr/musee/confer...
Visit to the CHRD
Series of photographs from an unnamed German soldier
Collection of documents of the Rhone prefecture’s fund, prefect’s office, General department’s archives 1935-1964, made available by the departmental archives of the Rhone and Lyon métropole: archives.rhone.fr/document/le...
William Robin-Detraz. Le Tata sénégalais de Chasselay : ancrage spatial et appropriations de la mémoire des tirailleurs sénégalais. Géographie. 2019: dumas.ccsd.cnrs.fr/dumas-0289...
Juin 1940: Combats et Massacres en Lyonnais, Julien Fargettas, Editions du putin, 2020
Testimony of French Adjutant Rauquier, 1940
Chemins de Mémoire (French government website), le tata de Chasselay: www.cheminsdememoire.gouv.fr/...
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An article by Marisa Belhote
Script by Stan
Narrated by Stan
Edited by Stan
Appreciate you bringing this to light. France is the littlest known campaign to me next to Burma.
The myth of the "clean Wehrmacht" is just that- a myth. Thanks for touching on this topic.
Many thanks, The fate of France after Dunkerque is often ignored.
Using some great clips in this video
I second that! A lot of clips that directly go with the script. Well done.
@@kampfgruppepeiper501 Except for the bits showing U.S. troops :P
Outstanding, I very much appreciate your work. This story should be known by all that are interested in history.
I imagine, considering the conflicting orders and lack of communications from higher up, it makes sense the defending troops would stick to the orders they *knew* came from legitimate authorities.
Yet another example of war crimes committed by the nazis.
Thanks for posting
I love your tank videos and your website
Guys, maybe make a separate "Battle Encyclopedia" site/channel? I think it could really work, especially with how much detail you include.
Good luck and thanks for the good work!
Very informative. Thank you.
Good vid very informative
CZcams sucks!
The videos you make are really interesting i really like them but i hate how CZcams demonitize these types of videos its like there trying to sanitize history so nobody hear about things like this that really happened in real life and there stories need to be told for people to learn about them
TY for the great research, and archival footage of important events in human history.
As a minor historian myself, I see too many modern movements that wish to 'sugar coat' the facts, and hide the truth, and horror of human events.
Some research took many years to come to light, and now it gets buried for the whims of ...?
3rd SS was a (fully) motorized INFANTRY division. It had NO TANKS at all in 1940. The (in-)famous SS divisions (1st, 2nd, 3rd and 5th) didn't become Panzer divisions until late 1943.
So there was exactly ONE armored unit: 10th Panzerdivision. I know you can do better.
Besides some EXCELLENT 1940 footage, why did you include 1944 stuff at 14:52 ? These are Jeeps and GIs.
Also some nice footage of ex-French armored cars in German service in Russia. Although it doesn't fit either, I now know that Panhards were frequently fitted with frame antennas as radio cars, so you're forgiven.
He can do better I guess
It happens, there will be a lack of footage of that time and area the channel can afford to use.
@@ptonpcIt's no big deal; but they could have cut it out as well.
These Videos fill in the GAPS😄
Like your videos
The unit in the video 💀
9:57 The establishment of the defensive line north of Lyon took place in "peculiar" circumstances, even by the standards of France in collapse. I would say peculiar is the word you mean, rather than particular. As a native English speaker, that conveys your likely meaning far better.
Hopefully my comment helps you with the algorithm, whether or not you choose to be concerned with my suggestions.
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I don't really know how CZcams works; what about this video would they punish it for?
Discussions of violence, execution of prisoners. It's ridiculous, of course, these are historical events from 80 years ago, but YT makes the rules.
I like your videos. The clips you find are impressive.
Your English is good although you do misuse a few English words in understandable ways. For example, 19:27 it was a "commanding" position, not a commandeering position.
There's one other that I heard, I'll post it if I can find it again.
3rd SS wasnt even a division yet let alone a panzer one. They equired that status in 1943 i believe.
panhards in german use after fall of french army, not during.
I like tanks
Lyon has fallen. Its over.
Hello
Wehrmacht means armed forces. Waffen SS was part of Wehrmacht. When people say Wehrmacht , they usually mean Heer - i.e. army. This was most numerous part of Wehrmacht and committed most crimes against civilians, surrendered combatants etc ... especially in the East. Blaming SS and madman Hitler came only after the war, as they were convenient scapegoats.
That is wrong. The Wehrmacht had a separate command structure from the SS. The Waffen SS was the armed force of the SS, which was a parallel structure to the regular German state apparatus.
This doesn't absolve the Wehrmacht of it's own crimes.
@@theholyinquisition389 Nope. One example : 6th Panzer Army, March 1945. Regular Heer formation, yet commanded by Oberst-Gruppenführer Sepp Dietrich. Included both Waffen SS and Heer divisions.
I had a friend of mine who was in the 9th US infantry division. He told me about a couple atrocities he witnessed that were committed by US troops.
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Just one fix - SS Totenkopf was an infantry unit in 1940.
CZcams is rediculas
The video is just random WW2 footage. At 15:00, it's an American soldier... Do better with the videos. I just listen to the voiceover, and ignore the video. Maybe do an audio podcast.
It was included because that's a French Renault tank that's flipped over.
Also, you're a miserable c unt :)
Correction - idigenous term - is incorectly used.also inherently ideologically leftist and racist as well
Correct terms: African Natives, French Natives -
Dont fall into this error pls - far too common
That's what the French called them at the time.
@@TanksEncyclopediaYT still - mind current social climate - worth to be neutral. Or add some context info. Cuz i watched twice for some... None was seen
d.e.i. nonsense/BS
@@talpark8796 yep. That's why im pointing this one out. The term indigenous is just wrong - and sounds too woke so better use alternatives. And i hate die bullshit
Somebody get their feelings hurt with a word that was used? Not even a so called "woke" term, as it has been used well before "woke." But it sounds too "woke" for you. lol
TE should stick politics and this sort of thing out of their channel. Its a vehicle and technical channel and should stay that
Can't talk about WW2 battles without including the Nazi warcrimes.
This video was excellent. I'll watch more if he makes more like this. War crimes were a part of WW2 and discussing them is hardly political. If it bothers you to learn that the Nazis executed Senegalese soldiers rather than take them prisoner, that says more about you than it does about the quality of the video.
@@therealuncleowen2588I mean arguably it should bother anyone, it is monstrous to just up and execute soldiers and really shows just how bad the Nazis were even early on.
what crap is this