Lost Norwich - Earlham Road & Unthank Road

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  • čas přidán 24. 05. 2023
  • This video looks at the history of the city end of these two roads.

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  • @TownHouseFilms
    @TownHouseFilms Před rokem +8

    Very interesting video. I have long thought that pub names should be protected in law as they often contribute to an understanding of the history of an area. Pub names really should be a heritage issue.

  • @jokennedy2943
    @jokennedy2943 Před rokem +3

    Excellent as always, John

  • @IDreamOfGaming
    @IDreamOfGaming Před rokem +3

    Another excellent video. Thanks.

  • @thetruthk5138
    @thetruthk5138 Před rokem +5

    Down Unthank Rd City end through the white gates near the old electrical shop which is now shut and empty.
    There's about 12 large houses tucked away.
    It's so quiet up there some of the gardens are so large you wouldn't know you were in the City centre it's lovely there .
    Thanks John as always.

    • @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
      @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich  Před rokem +1

      Thank you. I can't quite visualise where you mean. Is that The Elms?

    • @thetruthk5138
      @thetruthk5138 Před rokem +2

      @@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich No you will notice two white gates it's called the Gateway. Apparently the is a waiting list at some estate agents when one comes on to the market
      But it's all out of my reach ;-)

    • @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
      @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich  Před rokem +1

      @@thetruthk5138 ah, right - thanks for clarifying 👍

    • @janusz0
      @janusz0 Před rokem +3

      @@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich It's behind the last incarnation of Norketts lighting shop, which is now a gallery occasionally. (I remember Norketts in what is now Al Dente on St Giles)
      Thanks for the excellent photo tour.

    • @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
      @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich  Před rokem +1

      @@janusz0 thank you, I've found it now, with a bit of googling of the name, and a look at Streetview!

  • @dereham1
    @dereham1 Před rokem +4

    “Let us conclude this video with a couple of pubs …” 🍺🍺

  • @teenaoakleyart2700
    @teenaoakleyart2700 Před rokem +6

    So good to see The Elms, my dad worked at Mackintosh’s for around 35 years. The big social club you showed from the gate used to do a family disco every other Saturday. I have many happy memories of the disco, and when they used to stop half way through the night to serve cheese or ham rolls (was always a big queue 😊), and then they did a raffle, before continuing the rest of the disco, finishing at 11pm. We were often the last family to leave. We’d then go home and watch the double bill of Hammer House of Horror films on BBB2. (Yes my parents let us watch horror films, and I still love them now!) I remember they used to let the children pick the winning raffle tickets out of the bucket, then whoever won had to go choose their prize, there were usually 5 or 6 if I remember correctly.
    I adored The Elms social club, they also did fetes and other events. I have a photo of me picking sweets out of the tin at a fete, it was the couple on the Quality Street tin lid that were passing them out! You don’t get that kind of community from employers now. So many happy memories 😊

    • @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
      @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich  Před rokem +2

      Thank you so much for adding all those details. I am sure other people reading this will recognise what you describe. You are so right about how employers no longer provide such facilities, but maybe in part that's a change in what employees want.

    • @theoloyla
      @theoloyla Před rokem +2

      Yep my Mum Doreen Ling worked at Mackintoshes and had her retirement party at The Elms. Was a nice place

    • @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
      @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich  Před rokem +1

      @@theoloyla thanks for adding that - helps bring the subject to life.

  • @borleyboo5613
    @borleyboo5613 Před rokem +3

    I live at 124 Earlham Road nearly opposite The Mitre on the corner of Caernarvon Road. I remember it as a pub, a Chinese restaurant and now the coffee bar. I’ve lived here for nearly seventeen years and I love it.
    Very interesting video. Thank you. 😊

    • @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
      @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich  Před rokem +3

      Thank you. Glad you found it interesting. If you saw someone wandering aimlessly with a camera a few weeks ago, it could've been me!

    • @borleyboo5613
      @borleyboo5613 Před rokem +4

      @@JohnAtkinsLostNorwichlol. In one still in the video, there is an ABC taxi waiting near Mitre car park. That was probably waiting for me. 😊

    • @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
      @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich  Před rokem +3

      @@borleyboo5613 Ha ha!

  • @fionapotter1215
    @fionapotter1215 Před rokem +3

    Loved this, as I was born in Chapelfield North, the park was my play area, Earlham and Unthank Rd very familiar and I've been inside Curfew Lodge as my parents needed a house to rent in 1968 but it was so spooky we decided not to !

    • @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
      @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich  Před rokem +1

      That sounds very sensible! Thanks for commenting - you might also like my videos on Grapes Hill and Chapelfield Road.

  • @apjay
    @apjay Před rokem +4

    Another great video. This one is interesting that, with the exception of the area around Upper St Giles Street and Grapes Hill, many of the views remain relatively unchanged. Very interesting to see the buildings that used to flank the Black Horse pub though - had no idea they had been there.

    • @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
      @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich  Před rokem +1

      Thank you Andy. Yes many of these scenes are all very recognisable. My next video is about Upper St Giles, Cow Hill and Willow Lane, much if which has changed very little.

  • @jamesgilbart2672
    @jamesgilbart2672 Před měsícem +1

    It used to be said that Norwich had a pub for every day of the year and a church for every week. It's good to see that many of both survive.

  • @AndreasYiasimi
    @AndreasYiasimi Před rokem +2

    Awesome video John, so interesting and well presented. Thank you.

  • @adrianrutterford762
    @adrianrutterford762 Před rokem +2

    Thanks John.
    Wonderfully informative, and interesting, as ever.

  • @peterjameson321
    @peterjameson321 Před rokem +2

    Thank you John. As always another fascinating and absorbing video. I lived in the Earlham Road area years ago and saw the bus in the hole close up soon after the road collapsed. Thankfully no one was hurt. An elderly lady I knew who lived across the road was very terrified in case her house would succumb too as were many residents at the time.

  • @LandofCholas
    @LandofCholas Před rokem +2

    You collected old pics! Black and white is always awesome to watch❤❤❤

  • @simongee8928
    @simongee8928 Před rokem +2

    This was my 'play area' as a wee lad in the 60s and it minded me of much of what was there. Opposite the Plantation Gardens, ( of which I was a founder member of the trust - ! ) there were several streets of terraced houses; one being Distillery Street. My dad was responsible for the restoration of the west end of St.John's in 1965 when it was discovered that the poor quality stone used was crumbling very badly. As I went to school in Dereham Road, my route took me down Earlham Road until Heigham Road.😊

    • @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
      @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich  Před rokem +1

      Thanks so much Simon for adding all those details.

    • @simongee8928
      @simongee8928 Před rokem +2

      @@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Apparently the Duke of Norfolk who was St.John's patron for the build ran out of funds thus the poor quality stonework and the fact that bells were never installed. Seeing the vast, empty belfry up in the tower was weird and quite sad in it's way.

    • @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
      @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich  Před rokem +1

      @@simongee8928 absolutely fascinating Simon, I had no idea.

  • @antonchristian873
    @antonchristian873 Před rokem +2

    Great video ! I remember the William and Florence when it was the 'Rose Valley', I was an art student in late 70s, I lived at 128 Unthank Rd, and Rose Valley was my local !

    • @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
      @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich  Před rokem +1

      Looks like an interesting local to have had.

    • @antonchristian873
      @antonchristian873 Před rokem +3

      @@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Thanks ! the Rose Valley was a lovely pub, but never crowed, I guess they needed to attract more customers to avoid total closure, which seems very sad in these days where pubs need to diversify to satisfy a growing demand to become 'gastro pubs', etc, but also lose a lot of their original Identity in doing so, I met my wife in a pub in Wrenningham/ Hethel, called the 'Bird in Hand', another lovely place that has become a 'Gastro-Pub ', but at least that's better than closing down. I really like your posts, so keep up the good work !

    • @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
      @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich  Před rokem +1

      @@antonchristian873 thank you, I will! Wish I had seen the original Rose Valley.

  • @mikebrennan6165
    @mikebrennan6165 Před rokem +2

    Thanks John, very interesting video. I lived on Dereham Road (almost opposite the Reindeer in 1996/97 whilst a post grad at UEA and regularly cycled up and down Earlham Rd, had a few pints in the Lilly Langtree! Happy days and still one of my favourite cities in the UK. If you havent done one already, a video on some of the pubs would be intersting I think.

    • @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
      @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich  Před rokem +2

      Thanks very much Mike. Here's one about pubs of King Street. There is another one I did simply called "Lost Norwich -Pubs" but it was an early one and a bit rough around the edges! czcams.com/video/qUXW0UCIA1o/video.html

  • @jan-toreegge9252
    @jan-toreegge9252 Před 2 měsíci +1

    As ever, interesting to observe the changes in the cityscape, so thanks! Also interesting to see tram tracks. I didn't realise until now that Norwich had had trams (which were, of course, long since gone when I studied there in 1991-1992).

    • @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
      @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich  Před 2 měsíci +1

      Thank you. The trams were only there for a short period, 1900-35. You might like a video I made a out the trams...Lost Norwich Trams

  • @davegoldsmith4020
    @davegoldsmith4020 Před rokem +3

    As usual an interesting video, the iconic bus shot most people know of, but not exactly where it was. I have a love of churches and have visited most in Norwich, but for some reason have never been in our city's second cathedral, you have prompted me to visit next time I am in the city, Thanks John.

    • @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
      @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich  Před rokem

      Thank you Dave, I think you're right about the exact location of the bus in the hole! Hope you enjoy your visit to the RC cathedral.

    • @peterjameson321
      @peterjameson321 Před rokem +2

      ​@@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich As I remember the bus sank into the hole precisely where Paragon Place joins Earlham Road.

    • @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
      @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich  Před rokem +1

      @@peterjameson321 that's right. That must have felt so strange for passengers!

    • @peterjameson321
      @peterjameson321 Před rokem +2

      @@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Yes indeed. Once they got the bus out, the hole was incredibly deep. The bus could easily have up-ended and fallen in completely. Terrifying.

    • @elizabethabbott9177
      @elizabethabbott9177 Před rokem +3

      I was aupairing in West Germany when the bus went down the chalk workings and it was on the news there! I also remember an advertising campaign for a chocolate bar ' nothing fills a hole like a double decker'...

  • @DeeProbert
    @DeeProbert Před měsícem +1

    Great collection!

  • @Maryita_
    @Maryita_ Před rokem +1

    Красивая прогулка по красивым местам. Приятное знакомство. Успеха вам в создании новых красивых видеоклипов

    • @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
      @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich  Před rokem +1

      Спасибо за ваш добрый комментарий. Я рад, что вам понравилось.

  • @theoloyla
    @theoloyla Před rokem +2

    Yes at 3.07 the building on the corner of Grapes Hill was Hunter & Oliver wine merchants where I had a saturday job in the mid 60's. You can just see the shop front with the large entrance to where the vans came and went with the deliveries. There were wine cellars underneath and flats above.

  • @nikonrulz
    @nikonrulz Před rokem +2

    Excellent video.

  • @paulshreeve6577
    @paulshreeve6577 Před 8 měsíci +2

    St Thomas church was originally a Victorian gothic style church (my parents were married there in Feb 1941) but was firebombed in the Baedecker raids and burnt out. The building was restored after WWII.

  • @Curryking32000
    @Curryking32000 Před rokem +2

    anther wonderful video, thank you. I love these!! I used to live in Berners Street, can you do a video around there. Would love to see some old photo's.

  • @frank_sales
    @frank_sales Před rokem +2

    Funny I was just wondering about when you might cover Earlham Road and ..here it is!

  • @stefkuna
    @stefkuna Před 11 měsíci +2

    That area was my stomping ground for much of my life but particularly in the early 80s. I remember staggering to the 24hr Shell garage with midnight munchies, now replaced by Tescos. On Earlham Rd roughly opposite Chester Place was a lovely but derelict perhaps Georgian cottage with a cellar. I think part of it had suffered the same fate as the No. 22 bus and was eventually demolished.

    • @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
      @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich  Před 11 měsíci +1

      Thanks very much. It's always great to get shared memories added to the comments.

    • @susanwestern6434
      @susanwestern6434 Před 6 měsíci +1

      I remember walking past that falling down white building. It became too unsafe and was knocked down. But some remaining stumps of walls remain. Which can be seen when occasionally the wooden barrier falls down, in what must have been the entrance to it. It was called either the Dingle or the Dell. The Dingle or the Dell, is next to the Black Horse pub, I can't remember which is which.

    • @stefkuna
      @stefkuna Před 6 měsíci

      @@susanwestern6434 DIngle sounds familiar... thanks. But such a long time ago!

  • @The_Brit_Girls
    @The_Brit_Girls Před rokem +3

    As always, very well researched and presented. The photo of the bus falling through the road is a very iconic sight. I enjoyed seeing and learning about the comparisons between now and then. I wonder why they demolished the old Baptist church? In my opinion, it was a much more attractive building than the present United Reform Church.

    • @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
      @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich  Před rokem +2

      Thank you. Yes, it must have been a shock for the passengers, literally having their world turned upside down.

  • @arthurramm8664
    @arthurramm8664 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Thank you John

  • @DJWerkz
    @DJWerkz Před rokem +2

    There was a very nice little independent audio store down Unthank Road in the 80’s (a little further than the area this video focuses on). I can’t recall the name but I am sure they were connected to Faraday Sound loudspeakers, interesting concrete cabinet design I think. Maybe the store was actually Faraday too?

    • @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
      @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich  Před rokem +1

      Thanks for adding the comment. Maybe someone reading this can provide more details.

  • @pmcfarlane7660
    @pmcfarlane7660 Před rokem +2

    Another wonderful video, John. I really enjoyed it. How different the Black Horse looked.

    • @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
      @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich  Před rokem +1

      Thank you! I stood in front of the Black Horse and found it difficult to visualise!

    • @pmcfarlane7660
      @pmcfarlane7660 Před rokem +1

      @@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Yes, it's amazing looking at it flanked by the other buildings. It looks really different. See you in there for a pint, John. 😊🍺

    • @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
      @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich  Před rokem +1

      @@pmcfarlane7660 sounds good! Cheers.

    • @pmcfarlane7660
      @pmcfarlane7660 Před rokem +1

      @@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Cheers, John. 😊👍🏻

  • @user-qc3yk2gd5p
    @user-qc3yk2gd5p Před měsícem +1

    From 1941 to 1943 as a tiny child I lived at 118 Unthank. My parents moved to Poplar Avenue off the Newmarket Road. I dimly recall a squadron of US tanks and other vehicles turning into PA, a cul-de-sac, mistaking it for what is now Bluebell Road. Any chance of a feature on the Newmarket Road? Such a lovely entrance to the city.

    • @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
      @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich  Před měsícem

      Thank you for that interesting recollection. Newmarket Road is one that I hope to do one day, when I've collected enough historic photos.

    • @user-qc3yk2gd5p
      @user-qc3yk2gd5p Před měsícem +1

      @@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Thanks for the good news! Happy hunting! I can remember seeing buses housed overnight under the trees along the road - in case the bombers hit the bus station or garage.

    • @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
      @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich  Před měsícem

      @@user-qc3yk2gd5p it'll be a while yet, but I'm on the case!

  • @leswaters4935
    @leswaters4935 Před měsícem +1

    My wife’s maiden name is Unthank we must visit there someday

    • @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
      @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich  Před měsícem

      You should....it apparently gained its name when William Unthank's son, Clement William Unthank, rode his horse along a sandy lane in order to court his future wife at Intwood!

  • @ed1998
    @ed1998 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Got any photos of the Hillside Club, on Mill Hill Rd?

  • @tonypapworth4902
    @tonypapworth4902 Před rokem +1

    Hi, I grew up at 180 Earlham Road, which was the end terraced house west of Earlham House Shopping Centre as it was known while being developed between our house and Recreation Road. I remember this land being woodland and a crude cycle speedway track at the top.
    I’ve heard that there was a house on this site at one time but can find no information about it. There were numbers missing in the Road for example 176 and 178. Does any one know of buildings here before 1960?

    • @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
      @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich  Před rokem +1

      I don't know if this picture helps. it's described as 170 Earlham Rd 170 Earlham House grounds.
      Pictured 1960 after the house had been demolished and before the erection of a shopping complex. Otherwise you could try picture.norfolk.gov.uk georgeplunkett.co.uk/Norwich/Parks%20and%20Gardens/Earlham%20Rd%20170%20Earlham%20House%20grounds%20[4586]%201960-10-02.jpg

    • @susanwestern6434
      @susanwestern6434 Před 6 měsíci

      I used to know a couple who were customers. He had family in the area of St Thomas's Church. He died in his 90s in 2020. He remembered the house that was there in early 20th century.

  • @94f1senna
    @94f1senna Před měsícem +1

    The church which was demolished in 1954 are you sure
    Because I was born in 1966 and when the picture came up i could remember walking through the light oak doors and remember everything about the church
    Then you said it was demolished in 1954 strange
    I've always toyed with the thought do we have past lives who knows
    But I can assure you I remember the church like yesterday
    As I said before about the lads club I was born and bred in Norwich
    Norwich could be so much more especially for the tourists bringing in billions of pounds and thousands of good jobs for people
    But in succession the local powers that be going back decades have stripped Norwich City of many little wonders
    Little streets, little businesses huge businesses some beautiful buildings and ripped out the heart of many little communities in and around Norwich
    Little corner shops they are almost gone, pubs only 25% exist now
    And most of this was down to very high business taxes and councils wanted to modernised like anglia Square
    Anglia Square the offices were built purely for the tax office
    Once they left anglia Square no matter how much they try to make it look nice
    Its just an eyesore
    And just think of the wonderful little shops and peoples homes and again communities that are lost for ever,
    The last time property's were affordable was when my dad bought his bungalow around 1984
    £18.000 all property matched peoples wages yes there wages were obviously less but everything was in perspective
    I think I was 17 or 18 just too young to get a mortgage lol
    Then nineties it spiraled out of control
    Example
    Old farm buildings and barns were not worth anything
    There were thousands of empty rundown old farm buildings
    Then it went mad
    Sadly the biggest single issue i saw running my Roofing specialist and building renovation company was people from London where wages are more than 4 times greater than anywhere else
    Would buy 99% of properties holt, Sheringham North Norfolk
    Meaning the local people could not afford anything
    And Norwich was the same
    The golden triangle
    If you had a property within the golden triangle it was all about money
    Until they demolished the old hospital and built the new hospital
    But remember the new hospital may be on the outskirts of Norwich at moment but it won't be in 25 years time
    As Norwich expands the hospital will eventually become inside Norwich
    Still no one will still be able to afford to buy new homes especially the young people with families
    As both need to work 😩
    Which takes us full circle
    I love watching the old videos especially of Norwich
    Its still a fantastic place to live and one of the best cities in the world 🌎
    I just wish they would invest in our river that runs through Norwich
    Just think how amazing it would look and how lucky we are to have a river
    There's an old saying
    Charity begins at home
    The local councils and government needs to build and put resources into Great Britain 🇬🇧 First
    Because our local councils and government have and still are giving millions of pounds away in aid and our government gives billions of pounds away every month to other countries so they can have international space stations
    Upgrade there hundreds of thousands of houses
    Yet ignore UK problems
    Apologies
    Please subscribe and thumbs up
    These are brilliant videos

    • @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
      @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich  Před měsícem

      Thank you for your comment. I don't know where I got the date of the church's demolition from, but it came from somewhere I would have trusted! If I can find out any more I'll let you know.

  • @hetaera3418
    @hetaera3418 Před rokem +1

    Hi John, I hope you're well. Just to let you know that my father is dropping off his book collection to me on Thursday. So after that perhaps we can work out a way of getting them to you. I could meet you at the Compleat Angler or something, if that suits?

    • @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
      @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich  Před rokem +2

      Thank you, yes that would be great. We can liaise!

    • @hetaera3418
      @hetaera3418 Před rokem +2

      Hi John, hope you're well. I now have the books; about 15 or so. Please let me know what works best for you.

    • @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
      @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich  Před rokem +2

      @@hetaera3418 Thank you 👍. Would you like to contact me at lostnorwich@gmail.com and we can make arrangements.

  • @jjcustard6378
    @jjcustard6378 Před rokem +1

    I thought the secret garden was older and had been uncovered and restored?

  • @robertcook2572
    @robertcook2572 Před rokem +1

    A-ha....!

  • @MynameisTMP-
    @MynameisTMP- Před rokem

    I absolutely cannot stand this city

    • @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
      @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich  Před rokem +2

      Thanks for your comment - always good to have an alternative view! Would you like to explain more?

    • @stefkuna
      @stefkuna Před 11 měsíci

      🤣

  • @hornslane
    @hornslane Před rokem +3

    I lived on Earlham Road, number 123, in the late 50s, early 60s!

    • @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
      @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich  Před rokem +2

      an area you must know well then!

    • @borleyboo5613
      @borleyboo5613 Před rokem +2

      @hornslane Wow! I live at 124c Earlham Road. 😊 Do you remember who lived at 124 at the time. I’d be very interested to know.

    • @hornslane
      @hornslane Před rokem +2

      @@borleyboo5613 No, 123 was opposite side of the road!

    • @hornslane
      @hornslane Před rokem +3

      @@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Yes, I parked my car, a 1946 MG TC on the Mitre car park!!

    • @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich
      @JohnAtkinsLostNorwich  Před rokem +1

      @@hornslane 😄