You might see different mic appearing in the next few videos. I'm just testing to see which has more sound as many people mentioned there is a lack of clarity in some of the videos and I'm trying to improve the overall sound. If you're an audio engineer, I'd love your help for a small consultation as I'm clueless when it comes to what seems to be off Enjoy!
I just use a Rode Lavalier II. I find that's really clear. I just use it flat with no EQ. But you can get that very close up 'booming' bottom end with a tiny bit of low end boost.
One point that always seems to get overlooked is how long a culture could have taken to become experts at architecture. Sure Gobekli Tepe dates back about 13,000 years, but how long did the builders' culture take to be able to quarry and carve stone so well, to architect an entire cultural center? that would have taken many thousands of years if not more which pushes them all the way back into the ice age. There are so many relics of an ancient civilization staring us straight in the face it's becoming impossible to ignore them. The city off the coast of Cuba under 650 meters of water. Unmistakably a complete, planned, structured city on the ocean floor. how long has that been there?
If you're curious about this topic, there's a good video on the channel "World of Antiquity" describing the sites prior to Gobekli Tepe and the evolution of the architecture in the area. I definitely recommend it.
@@jennifernorman9655 I did find the video, but obviously, CZcams is shadowing my comment. Let me try again... Channel: World of Antiquity Title: "Did Gobekli Tepe Appear Out of Nowhere? A Reply to Graham Hancock"
Thousands of years to become experts at architecture? Come on dude the architecture there is not rocket science and we went from mule carts to rockets in a few hundred years.
I'd like to make a suggestion. Anytime you are discussing archeology sites like this one, please do not include footage of other similar sites. The constant flipping back and forth between images of this site and "examples" from similar sites leaves me entirely confused as to what images are legitimately from this location. Also, there are a lot of click bait channels out there that do exactly the same thing. They add photos from unrelated locations that are really intended as clickbait - to create an unbelievable sensationalist effect. You're drawn in because you are misled into thinking that the images show a really advanced and very old site, but instead, they are "examples" of similar locations or illustrations that "clarify" some tangent that the narrator is going on about. A lot of these tangential discussions on the clickbait channels are just shameless filler. To be clear, I find your channel entirely reputable and I would not accuse you of stooping to clickbait tactics, but I felt it necessary to make this comment on this particular video.
As a GPR technician I’d love to look over those scan files. The images provided mean almost nothing alone, but with hundreds of scans you can begin to piece together a story of what’s underneath. Different materials reflect differently, as does open space and water. Using different frequencies also helps with depth and density. So I’d find it very interesting to see all the data.
I would just love to see them dig down to these cavities. Why everything happens so slowly or not at all amazes me, doesn't exactly instil confidence when experts claim they are just volcanic voids but no intention of proving it. I mean c'mon how easy is it to drill a hole and wack in a camera...could have been done years ago and mystery solved.
it's already been thoroughly debunked as being a natural feature, but of course some people refuse to acknowledge that because they have research grants resting on it being man made.
@@jwenting Thoroughly is drilling a hole and putting a camera in there..Why is that so hard? That would prove beyond a doubt if it is natural. You should be advocating for this yourself.
@@stopcensoringme6296 dude, stop talking with an air of authority about things you clearly aren't familiar with. a camera on a stick is wholly incapable of producing enough information to disprove natural origin.
personally, i believe in the concept of civilizations living here long before us. not necessarily more advanced, but much more advanced than we currently believe.
Not in this case though. The paper has been heavily scrutinised for poor methodology. The dirt goes to 27000 years. But there are no artifacts at that depth. No indication of human activity. Earliest activity is 5000bce
@@Sgt.chickensInteresting this. I always am fascinated at how dating differentiates the 'structure' from the basic materials like soil used to build the structure. The former is newer when compared to the latter.
@@Sgt.chickens Interesting thing about the scrutinization, is that none of it is properly backed up by any evidence unlike the paper itself! And the people vocal about denouncing the paper are the same ones who similarly said the Romans were the first to build roads despite SOMEONE building a super-highway throughout South America a thousand years prior!
was talking to a friend who also watched the other day. I said he's very unbiased an often ends segments by saying something like "Is this definite? No, until we have more evidence it's just a nice idea"
@@myself171Yep, mainstream science narrative is so naive, arrogant & in extreme denial. So much so that they end up not following true scientific rationale & reasoning just so their fragile propped up narrative doesn’t fall over.
@@jameshannagan4256tinfoil hat in understanding that hunter/gatherers couldnt stack two thoulsand ton rocks on top of eachother? The history is written down but the vatican thieves guild has stolen and locked away over a milion books for NOONE to see.
If he happens to be right, then he is right. Scientists (and I spent my career in STEM) HAVE to stop acting on "faith" - and calling it reason. If facts indicate that its true - then its true - stop with the bull.
Anton went all mystical talking about the real-life fantasy world our ancestors once inhabited/survived in long enough to forward their genome. The "humongous beasts" part was funny and eye-opening, while conveying a certain wistfulness for the lost worlds of our species' past. Great work!
Well, if you still think there were no great ancient human civilization aka Atlantis and even many more before, that you are on the wrong side of history mate.
Pottery is one thing. But in my opinion, pre-dynastic precision manufactured granite and other hard-stone vases, are something entirely different. I believe that the very existence of some of these incredible and most ancient of stone artifacts, is extremely telling, when it comes to just how little we truly know about our past.
I'm not proposing some crazy conspiracy, but I think there's a real possibility humans might've had to re-discover civilization a few times due to natural disaster, disease, war, famine, whatever. A ton of things. I think people tend to underestimate how fragile civilization can be, especially way back in those days when not getting enough rain meant famine, which probably increases violent interactions, and so on. One thing going wrong very wrong back then could easily be the domino that knocks down an entire civilization.
You've been watching too much Ben from Uncharted-X. It's not even pre-dynastic, it's a modern fake gotten from a man who has sold fake stuff in the past. His provenance is non-existing. He claims it came from the ambassador of Czechoslovakia to Egypt at a time when Czechoslovakia didn't exist and there wouldn't have been any ambassador. You should do a little research on Ben and his claims of precision. He's a pseudoscience grifter that also believes the moon is a construction.
I believe Chan Thomas’ theory proposed in his book “The True Adam & Eve Story. It fits & explains a lot of what we see, what we have found & importantly what we haven’t found.
"Precision manufactured"? Not sure where you're getting that from. This isn't some super advanced civilization except in the sense of what was original thought of for civilizations at that time. Context is important. And Anton summed it up well at the end of the video.
The precision argument is complete nonsense. The handles and holes aren't even symmetrical. Banging on about "precision" while ignoring basic facts is a false dilemma. Not to mention the fact that they made them in the old, middle and new kingdom.
The advancements in technology have really done SO much for the advancements of so much scientific study in such a relatively short period of time, it's all really rather mind blowing. Yet, it sure seems to me that the more advancements there are in the means to study the past, the older everything gets. Thank you very much, Anton Petrov for your short presentations on the latest discoveries across many scientific fields! I'm almost always motivated to learn more.
i appreciate that you do not shy away from controversial topics. some people are too afraid to possibly be wrong, and we end up with no real input. you're a star 😊
That would be kinda awesome. Build something similar to the great pyramid but bigger. We’ve wasted far more money on other dumb crap. Really wouldn’t be that colossal of an undertaking for us.
Science advances one death at a time, imagine how bad it is in the pseudo-science land that is archaeology where people tie their personal narratives into their partially scientific claims, and make into a dogma that can't be questioned. Too much of the old pseudo-scientists' time and too much money being earned in keeping their beliefs alive, they don't want to watch their lives' work going up in flames so they have to diminish and destroy people that oppose their religious views regardless of the evidence provided.
I’m glad the archaeologists who refused to look at the actual data are finally getting their butts, handed to them. As an engineer, I am completely disgusted by their inability to simply look at the data, and understand that human civilization is far far older than they give it credit for.
I love how modern $cientific community will flat out deny literally EVERYTHING that challenges existing dogma, no matter how overwhelming is the first evidence. Gobekli Tepe was laughed at by most "Archaeologists" and "Anthropologists" alike for a decade at least, same goes for younger drias period and global floods that happened during that period. Nowadays, both are accepted as fact, but back then. those theories were laughed at. It's a shame really, money governs research and those with established ideas, oppose anything that challenge their ideas, absolutely undermining everything that science stands for
In March 2024, publishers retracted a study that claimed the Indonesian pyramid Gunung Padang was built by humans 27,000 years ago. The study was retracted due to flawed dating and a lack of human-linked artifacts. Critics of the study say it incorrectly dated the human presence at Gunung Padang based on radiocarbon measurements of soil from drilling.
Where the Java Sea is today was a broad plain crossed by numerous rivers, believed to have been tropical grassland. If there was an agricultural ice age civilization anywhere, the Java sea (along with the Arafusa Sea north of Australia and the Congo Basin) is one of the most likely places where such a civilization might have developed.
To have an agricultural society, you should have something to cultivate. We have to assume those domesticated plants sank with the civilization, because none of the ones we knows is 20.000 years old.
@@neutronalchemist3241millets from Eastern Africa has a interesting genetic history, you should read some papers and see. TLDR: millet shows narrowing genetic divergence akin to what you see during domestication several times during the last 600k years. Thought provoking, huh? I don't know what the indigenous crops of the Java Region would be, perhaps Yams? I'd start by looking there.
@@neutronalchemist3241well, genetic modified croops tend to be more fragile and not be able to survive without human intervention, or they just return to be wild croops without artificial selection, like bananas, they can't survive without us, or maize, it will also degenerate into a crop with poor yield after just a few generations as they are only able to be cultivated with human intervention.
@@derederekat9051 What happened with the neolithic agricultural revolution we know is that, once a crop had been domesticated, it didn't remain there as a close guarded secret. It did spread in many domesticated varieties. The places where emmer, einkorn and barley had been first domesticated are now desert, and the people that domesticated them disappeared before written history, but the domesticated crops didn't disappear with them, or their fertile land. Here instead we have to assume that this supposed crop had been created by this supposed civilization and died with it, without leaving anything behind.
I've have a lot of issues with the idea that humans didn't do agriculture until after the ice age but I don't completely discount it. My problem with the idea is that culturally modern humans evolved by 70,000 years ago, then spread through the length of Eurasia over the next 40,000 years, then about 20,000 years ago the east asian population spread into the Americas. But if none of these populations did agriculture, why? If they didn't have the genetic ability to do agriculture until 10,000 years ago, where did that mutation develop? There's a bunch of independent starts to agriculture in the 5-10 kya range all over eurasia and the Americas, but after 70,000+ years of no agriculture, it's implausible to me that there's a bunch of independent agriculture mutations at about the same time. And if the ability to do agriculture evolved 40kya in Africa, why no agriculture until after the ice age. It's not like agriculture requires a particular level of technology, just recognizing that when you spill seeds someplace the plant you spilled grows there next year and the desire to use that principle to create a more stable food supply. The one idea that seems plausible to me is this: tropical and subtropical areas have lots of easily available food so there's no need to do the hard work needed to domesticate it. But across the mammoth steppe, a new theory is that we ate the partially digested plant material in ruminant guts, so we still had no need for agriculture. But after the big ruminants went extinct, maybe humans all over had to start looking for better sources of food.
I appreciate how balanced and unbiased you are when presenting information, which includes logically covering opposing viewpoints. Well done. Please give a master class for those in government and the news media. Thanks, Humanity.
Thanks for posting this. I really appreciate that you're keeping us up to date on what's going on currently with proposed historical rewrites. Please keep it up.
Just the Wikipedia page of Gunang Padang explains a lot about the whole matter:"Instead of finding artifacts, raleating them to a local known culture and then date them by radio carbon meaning, pseudo archeologists with the sanction of the president of the country, found something not even human related, dated it and then invented an ancient culture to justify it" 😑
If every building is a one story room, or several rooms attached, then what context is there for "building higher" than "let's build a mountain it'll take a few generations, but we live in the tropics, so ¼ of us carry on fishing, ¼ of us keep picking fruit, the rest of us are building a mountain now"
Pseudoarchaeologists will tell you archaeologists look down on ancient humans - that they think there was no way an ancient advanced civilizations existed that taught everyone to make pyramids. Actual archaeologists will say they believe ancient humans were smart enough to figure pyramids out on their own and that they're not making claims on ancient advanced civilizations until there's actual archaeological evidence.
The work Anton produces on a daily basis is staggering. It's always really good, well researched, and often has a little bit of Anton's humor in there as well. Thanks for doing this story, Anton. I really enjoy talking about these civilizations that existed before, during, and immediately following the Younger Dryas.
Please do not get your information on said info from this channel. Anton is FAR from a history buff let alone his biases are worn on his shirt. I absolutely disagree with ignoring factual scientific evidence because you dont "FEEL" it is right... What a truck load of garbage Anton is feeding his audience now. Sorry Anton, the date is established, Graham Hancock is correct about this place and you just go sit in the corner and cry about it to your fans who seem to listen to every word you say without doing an ounce of research.. This may not be you, you mention the younger dras, you know about the extinction event, don't let this skerptard suppress your knowledge! Keep researching !
Thank you Anton. Let's also not forget another fact, archaeologists are the worst for propping us older colonial views of what the ancients were capable of. So in all honesty, archaeologists have more to answer for when denying newer evidence due to a horrible track record of denial. For decades the mantra of "That is impossible, so it can't be true." ruled the world of archaeology. Impossibility driven by colonial racism. I am more open to newer archaeological ideas than traditional archaeological ideas moreso that in any other science.
The thing that always brings me back to watching these wonderful Anton vid's... is? Not only does Anton cover the latest data/information relating to our mysterious but wonderful, universe? BUT, Anton occasionally comes back to Planet Earth, with the latest info, regarding our own shared backyard as well.🌏🤗
Not a lot of archaeological evidence for the people living around Gobekli Tepe was found, either... Likely, it was a okace of pilgrimage, and the worshippers lived by the coast, the evidence of which is now either 100 feet underwater, or destroyed by the rising ocean. ..i DO remember reading 20 years ago, that South Vietnam had the evidence for the earliest bronze production. So they had their act together.
In order to put this into perspective, even a stainless steel knife will have degraded to basically nothing after around 10K years. Unless the conditions are perfect (the big problem with archaeology and paleontology), finding bone or charcoal would be difficult to impossible due likewise to decay or to dispersal, even if they were there. If you really find some convincing stonework (which lasts significantly longer) though, the people behind this would have some pretty solid theory fuel. As it is now though, need more boots on the ground, I think.
Agree, after 20,000 years there would be nothing left of our civilization except masonry, so we can assume this is the case here too. Biologist tell us that homo-sapiens in our current form arrived 100,000 years ago as the modern human. Logically if that civilization carved stones that means tool usage. That yields: modern humans had tools thousands of years before than previously shown, thus anything that we believe early civilizations could do with tools also applies to these people.
@@Ramiromasters One thing I do kinda find funny about this is that, if this is some kind of monument or the like, its age at least lines up with the oldest cave paintings.
@@Ramiromastersmodern humans have, to the best of my knowledge, been around for at least 3 to 4 hundred thousand years based on remains found. The earliest evidence for tool use is dated to over two and a half million years ago by a different hominid species. If tools were around before homo sapiens then it wouldn't surprise me in the least if we had been using tools for our entire existence. Three to four hundred thousand years is a long time that we know almost nothing about. Nothing as of yet indicates anything unusual, but anything could be hiding in that time frame.
@@kevinhank17the largest finds of homoerectus tools was in India dated about 1 mya. There was a land bridge connecting India, Ethiopia and Madagascar where homoerectus settled and moved back and forth from India and Ethiopia. The first homosapiens might have developed out of this constant migration and would explain why Indian legends talk about India one million years ago. The oldest Homosapien remains were found in Morocco dated over 300,000 years ago. I myself wouldn't be surprised if Homosapiens appeared closer to 400,000 ya.
@@longrange957 It stunning how many people on a science oriented channel are "skeptical" (willfully ignorant) of physical ancient architecture well known to museums and most native tribes and which anyone can visit. Half of USAs major cities are built over these ancient mound sites (St. Lewis for example) and the natives say their people didn't build them but a different people who came before.
I'm with you on this, Anton. I would love to see them make further discoveries at this site. We have so little about these people. Maybe they can do some other types of dating and layer analysis. I hope you do more videos about this period. Your enthusiasm when talking about the hobbits and other hominids existing together with the mammoths and ground sloths, etc, is contagious. Sparked my imagination.✌️😎💜
Humans repair and remodel structures. Many ancient ruins are found to be built over older, pre existing structures. Obviously more investigation is needed. Confirmation bias can be problematic. Making a breakthrough discovery usually secures further funding, so the scam factor cannot be dismissed.
Are we going to literally dig up every extinct volcano because someone detects an empty magma chamber, dates some dirt, and declares the whole thing an absurdly old pyramid without even a shard of pottery to back up their claim?
I am inclined to side with the Indonesian scientists that what has been presented does not indicate anything surprising or older than what has long been known about the area. I think the whole enterprise of looking for a pre-Holocene "civilization" is misdirected and even Eurocentric. It's like thinking about Sumer as the cradle of "civilization" and the Natufian pre-pottery neolithic suggesting that functional pottery was invented in the Levant (near Sumer) and was somehow a pathbreaking development. Today, it is known that functional pottery was used by hunter-gatherers in Siberia and China. The cave site of Xianrendong in the Yangtze basin has pattery dated to some 20,90019,200 B.P. (years before the present). This isn't particularly surprising since non-functional clay sculptures (so-called Venus figurines) are found dated to 25,000-29,000 B.P., and figurines carved with other materials are even older. What needs to change is the ideology that urban elites give us the best picture into the past. I would rather look at cultures similar to those in New Guinea, where the banana was domesticated and cultivators don't need plows. Some of the highland cultures of New Guinea like the Dani became quite sophisticated, and have high population densities today and in the past, but look nothing like western expectations of "civilization". But this announcement of a so-called discovery does remind us that there could have been sophisticated cultures now resting beneath the shallow seas in the Sunda continental shelf (and elsewhere). With the dramatic improvement of technologies for archeological research, I hope it will soon be practical to do systematic archeology in the continental shelf, and maybe we will discover evidence of pre-Holocene cultivator populations. There may have been built-up populations in what were then desirable lowlands (now shallow seas), and the hunter gatherer groups were driven to remote mountain areas. And both groups could have been using functional pottery long before the Holocene.
The symbolism of the handbag across all these ancient sites is not a coincidence. All these cultures were in contact with one another or something or somebody taught them all something to do with that handbag haha
Personally, that’s not a fun fact. To me, it’s an annoying fact and I’m trying not think about it lest I become enraged. Come back when you have a fact that is actually fun, like Karajan Tepe was made of peanut brittle
Just saying here… we all know that most Egyptologist’s deny that the Sphinx is older than it is (~5000yrs-7000yrs old). When there is geological evidence showing with water erosion on the sphinx that it’s actually 10,500-12,500 yrs old. Not only do they deny for the sake of pride, and in thinking the history is settled, but the numerous fields of study and textbooks as well and teaching programs that support those egyptologists claims. Makes me wonder if these Indonesian scientists and “experts” are denying the validity for the reasons stated above 🤷♂️
Anything requiring a rewrite of human history gets swept under the rug and ignored as if it never existed. So, even if an excavation was suddenly given the green light, it's doubtful that we'd ever know much about it, especially if it actually turned out to be that old. Unfortunately, it's unlikely that a full-scale excavation of the site will ever take place.
While Gobekli Tepe is around 11,000 yrs old there are several other settlements near Gobekli Tepe that are even older. The oldest of the Tepe sites is 3-4000 yrs older than Gobecli Tepe.
Yep. People like to argue and say people didn't live in Gobekli. Of course not. You don't live in the temple. You live neaby. I just hate how slowly they're uncovering things. I want translated pictogram stories that make the epic of Gilgamesh look like Hello Moon. Sadly it will take decades.
What a question. There's a few sites in the Tazpeller region that are older than Gobekli Tepe and one of them is 3-4 thousand years older. Don't take my word for it. Do some searching. There's info and videos out there that discuss these sites. @@bjornfeuerbacher5514
I am a Hindu and according to ancient Hindu scriptures, humans are BILLIONS of years old and are NOT NATIVE to Earth. Here is merely SOME evidence suggesting not only a human presence on Earth BILLIONS of years ago, but also suggesting complex human civilisations on Earth BILLIONS of years ago: * A human skull fragment from Hungary dated between 250,000 and 450,000 years ago * A human footprint with accompanying paleoliths (stones deliberately chipped into a recognisable tool type), bone tools, hearths and shelters, discovered in France and dated 300,000 to 400,000 years * Paleoliths in Spain, a partial human skeleton and paleoliths in France; two English skeletons, one with associated paleoliths, ALL at least 300,000 years old * Skull fragments and paleoliths in Kenya and advanced paleoliths, of modern human manufacture, in the Olduvai Gorge in Tanzania, dated between 400,000 and 700,000 years * Neoliths (the most advanced stone tools and utensils) in China of a type that indicate full human capacity, dated to 600,000 years * Hearths, charcoal, human femurs and broken animal bones, all denoting modern humanity, in Java, dated to 830,000 years * An anatomically modern human skull discovered in Argentina and dated between 1 million and 1.5 million years (eoliths, which are chipped pebbles thought to be the earliest known tools, at Monte Hermoso, also in Argentina, are believed to be between 1 and 2.5 million years old). * A human tooth from Java yielding a date between 1 and 1.9 million years * Incised bones, dated between 1.2 and 2.5 million years, have been found in Italy * Discoveries of paleoliths, cut and charred bones at Xihoudu in China and eoliths from Diring Yurlakh in Siberia dated to 1.8 million years * Eoliths in India, paleoliths in England, Belgium, Italy and Argentina, flint blades in Italy, hearths in Argentina, a carved shell, pierced teeth and even two human jaws all bearing a minimum date of 2 million years Curiously enough, several of the very earliest artifact discoveries display a truly extraordinary level of sophistication. In Idaho, for example, a 2-million-year-old clay figurine was unearthed in 1912. But even this discovery does not mark an outer limit. Bones, vertebrae and even complete skeletons have been found in Italy, Argentina and Kenya. Their minimum datings range from 3 million to 4 million years. A human skull, a partial human skeleton and a collection of neoliths discovered in California have been dated in excess of 5 million years. A human skeleton discovered at Midi in France, paleoliths found in Portugal, Burma and Argentina, a carved bone and flint flakes from Turkey all have a minimum age of 5 million years. How far back can human history be pushed with discoveries like these? The answer seems to be a great deal further than orthodox science currently allows. As if the foregoing discoveries were not enough, we need to take account of: * Paleoliths from France dated between 7 and 9 million years * An eolith from India with a minimum dating of 9 million years * Incised bones from France, Argentina and Kenya no less than 12 million years old * More paleolith discoveries from France, dated at least 20 million years ago * Neoliths from California in excess of 23 million years * Three different kinds of paleoliths from Belgium with a minimum dating of 26 million years * An anatomically modern human skeleton, neoliths and carved stones found at the Table Mountain, California and dated at least 33 million years ago But even 33 million years is not the upper limit. A human skeleton found in Switzerland is estimated to be between 38 and 45 million years old. France has yielded up eoliths, paleoliths, cut wood and a chalk ball, the minimum ages of which range from 45 to 50 million years. There's still more. In 1960, H. L. Armstrong announced in Nature magazine the discovery of fossil human footprints near the Paluxy River, in Texas. Dinosaur footprints were found in the same strata. In 1983, the Moscow News reported the discovery of a fossilised human footprint next to the fossil footprint of a three-toed dinosaur in the Turkamen Republic. Dinosaurs have been extinct for approximately 65 million years. In 1983, Professor W. G. Burroughs of Kentucky reported the discovery of three pairs of fossil tracks dated to 300 million years ago. They showed left and right footprints. Each print had five toes and a distinct arch. The toes were spread apart like those of a human used to walking barefoot. The foot curved back like a human foot to what appeared to be a human heel. There was a pair of prints in the series that showed a left and right foot. The distance between them is just what you'd expect in modern human footprints. In December 1862, The Geologist carried news of a human skeleton found 27.5 m (90 ft) below the surface in a coal seam in Illinois. The seam was dated between 286 and 320 million years. It's true that a few eoliths, skull fragments and fossil footprints, however old, provide no real backing for the idea of advanced prehistoric human civilisations. But some other discoveries do. In 1968, an American fossil collector named William J. Meister found a fossilised human shoe print near Antelope Spring, Utah. There were trilobite fossils in the same stone, which means it was at least 245 million years old. Close examination showed that the sole of this shoe differed little, if at all, from those of shoes manufactured today. In 1897, a carved stone showing multiple faces of an old man was found at a depth of 40 m (130 ft) in a coal mine in Iowa. The coal there was of similar age. A piece of coal yielded up an encased iron cup in 1912. Frank J. Kenwood, who made the discovery, was so intrigued he traced the origin of the coal and discovered it came from the Wilburton Mine in Oklahoma. The coal there is about 312 million years old. In 1844, Scottish physicist Sir David Brewster reported the discovery of a metal nail embedded in a sandstone block from a quarry in the north of England. The head was completely encased, ruling out the possibility that it had been driven in at some recent date. The block from which it came is approximately 360 million years old. On 22 June 1844, The Times reported that a length of gold thread had been found by workmen embedded in stone close to the River Tweed. This stone too was around 360 million years old. Astonishing though these dates may appear to anyone familiar with the orthodox theory of human origins, they pale in comparison with the dates of two further discoveries. According to Scientific American, dated 5 June 1852, blasting activities at Meeting House Hill, in Dorchester, Massachusetts, unearthed a metallic, bell-shaped vessel extensively decorated with silver inlays of flowers and vines. The workmanship was described as 'exquisite'. The vessel was blown out of a bed of Roxbury conglomerate dated somewhat earlier than 600 million years. In 1993, Michael A. Cremo and Richard L. Thompson reported the discovery 'over the past several decades' of hundreds of metallic spheres in a pyrophyllite mine in South Africa. The spheres are grooved and give the appearance of having been manufactured. If so, the strata in which they were found suggest they were manufactured 2.8 BILLION years ago. What are we to make of these perplexing discoveries? They cannot simply be dismissed. If even ONE of these discoveries is TRUE (and I believe that MANY if not ALL of these discoveries are TRUE), then it changes EVERYTHING that modern mainstream anthropologists THOUGHT they knew about the human species.
@@Rishi123456789 "A human skull fragment from Hungary dated between 250,000 and 450,000 years ago" What does that have to do with "complex human civilisations on Earth BILLIONS of years ago"?!? And so on, and so on, etc. Your oldest example in the whole first paragraph 2 million years old. That's still 500 times shorter than even _one_ billion years! Can't you calculate? :D "In Idaho, for example, a 2-million-year-old clay figurine was unearthed in 1912." Where and when exactly was this published? How was the age determined? (And again, 2 million years is _still_ 500 times shorter than even _one_ billion years! "Bones, vertebrae and even complete skeletons have been found in Italy, Argentina and Kenya. Their minimum datings range from 3 million to 4 million years. A human skull, a partial human skeleton and a collection of neoliths discovered in California have been dated in excess of 5 million years. A human skeleton discovered at Midi in France, paleoliths found in Portugal, Burma and Argentina, a carved bone and flint flakes from Turkey all have a minimum age of 5 million years." Humans? Do you mean Homo sapiens? Or distant relatives, other hominids? (And 4 million years is _still_ 250 times shorter than even _one_ billion years!) And where are your sources for all these claims? (If you plan to say something like "google for yourself!", that will be taken as an admission that you simply made these claims up.) "An anatomically modern human skeleton, neoliths and carved stones found at the Table Mountain, California and dated at least 33 million years ago. . A human skeleton found in Switzerland is estimated to be between 38 and 45 million years old. France has yielded up eoliths, paleoliths, cut wood and a chalk ball, the minimum ages of which range from 45 to 50 million years." Again: Sources for these claims...? And again: All of this is _still_ shorter than even _one_ billion years. Shorter _by far_. "In 1960, H. L. Armstrong announced in Nature magazine the discovery of fossil human footprints near the Paluxy River, in Texas" Seriously?!? :D :D :D There are _still_ people around who believe in the Paluxy footprints?!? Even most creationists in the USA admit now that these aren't genuine!!! :D :D :D Get an education! And by the way: this was _never_ published in Nature.magazine, and especially not in 1960!!! Where did you get that from?!? Whoever told you this simply lied to you. Or did you make that up yourself? "In 1993, Michael A. Cremo and Richard L. Thompson reported the discovery 'over the past several decades' of hundreds of metallic spheres in a pyrophyllite mine in South Africa. The spheres are grooved and give the appearance of having been manufactured." And again: Source for that claim...? (And all of the others!) "What are we to make of these perplexing discoveries? They cannot simply be dismissed." Yes, they can, because obviously most of these are simply made up, i. e., these are lies. "If even ONE of these discoveries is TRUE (and I believe that MANY if not ALL of these discoveries are TRUE), then it changes EVERYTHING that modern mainstream anthropologists THOUGHT they knew about the human species." Wrong. Many of the discoveries you listed right at the beginning are totally unsurprising and would change essentially nothing.
Fishing is easier than farming, and hunting is faster than farming. Agriculture was probably very limited during the ice age, not because it did not happen, but because settlements probably settled next to area's that were already growing food. It was only when people had to uproot from a ocean that rose 300 ft, did we see agriculture out of need. When the sea would rise 3 feet every 100 years, that is centuries of packing up, backing up, resettling, only to do it again, for generations and generations.
All new discoveries threaten the 'competence' of the established 'experts' and are rapidly discarded as having 'no evidence.' Yet. One of the most powerful power bases in any culture is that of knowledge, and new discoveries - which do not comply with the 'understandings of the day' - must therefore be denied. The only real risk to anyone here is to the 'established domain' of archaeologists and theologists. Brian Cox, astronomer, astrophysicist - never says we 'know' anything ... he says "..our current understanding is ...", he never debunks new theories, or trashes new data, but says, "it doesn't fit the current model ..." A true scientist. Thanks for the update Mr Petrov.
Given how fast we know humans can innovate it is hard to believe we did nothing but throw pointy sticks for 200,000 years and then only in the last 12,000 years we started building with stone.
9:15 It seems that innovation wasn't really part of our makeup, I think (besides far fewer people to innovate and there are probably tipping points where reaching a certain state makes innovation more likely) that there might also have been some mutations in our DNA that made us more innovative.
It doesnt take many people with free time to think up lots of things. Its getting that free time that is hardish to do, so goes the idea of hunter gather vs agrarian. I find that poor reasoning. People had to figure out how, to figure out how to build the pyramids. Like we take for granted some very basic information. Levers, Pullyes with their 2:1 ratio per loop. 45* slope is the steepest, most stable an angle you can get in our gravity. And thats just to figure out the concept of moving a block and the end shape you want to end up with. Then you are fighting welp the one guy in 1000 who knew how to do one part of this died and he didnt have anyone to teach it to. Once writing came along that helped. Then once numbers came along it went even faster. This will blow your mind, some cultures even with math, did not have a concept of fractions. They understood 'half that thing' but did not have maths for it. Makes it hard to build things.
There's a lot of evidence humans were anatomically the same but not psychologically. There is zero evidence of art beyond about 100,000 years ago at most for example and there were several unexplained sudden changes in human group sizes and artifact types during that time period. One interesting theory is that humans lacked an instinct towards territoriality, which is an instinct that only emerges where food is plentiful but concentrated. That theory suggests this instinct evolved in south-east africa 80,000-95,000 years ago around shellfish deposits (think massive fields of oysters and clams covering every rock for a mile) since this is the area and time period we first see art and some major increases in group size. Regardless, we have a shitton of artifacts and none are of an ancient advanced civilization. It would only take one metal tool to change that. Gold for instance would easily last unaffected by the elements to this day. Yet we find nothing.
I became convinced that there IS a recurring natural disaster resetting the human advance roughly every 12 thousand years. Mythology, legends, religious traditions ALL teach around the world that ours is the 5th advanced human civilization on Earth and the previous ones were destroyed by fire from the sky and gigantic floods. Therefore this discovery is not a mystery but a new piece to the huge puzzle.
I believe our planet had a fair amount of civilisations wiped out in cataclysms that took place in the past million years. Some of those lost civilizations had a quite advanced scientific knowledge, machinery, flying vehicles and unimaginable deep understanding about life, consciousness, medicine (including genetic engineering), physics, math, space-time and probably lots of other stuff we haven't yet rediscovered, although we are really close to finding out some of it. Most of that knowledge and tech got wiped, eroded and got lost in time, like tears in the rain, trough the countless cyclical global cataclysms. All that remained were stories, fragments of texts stitched together by the very few survivors along with some heavily looted artefacts, some megalithic structures remains (some of which sadly were later destroyed by various religious extremists). The few people that survived in "that new world" rising from the cataclysmic rubble had a lesser understanding about science with each generation passed by, just because they were living in a definitely less technological world, literally turned to rubble, with vastly reduced or limited possibilities. The survivors and mostly their descendants told stories instead, about the greatness of the previous world, one that felt like a kingdom of god or like a heavenly place and believed that some of those old folks now dead, were magical mighty beings / gods. Oh, and they were, by being able to achieve all the unimaginable great pre cataclysmic stuff the stories told. In time, stories turned into legends, legends into myths, and myths into our current religions... Yes, WE ARE the GODS from all these religious texts in existence today. Quite lobotomised, but We are the direct descendands of those mighty "magical" beings / gods from our myths and legends that all religions are heavily based on. We are descendands of "humans" that most likely lived much longer by current standards and thrived in their pre cataclysmic golden age and we are very close on the path of rediscovering this fact! We are Gods and It is time to take responsibility for this, and for all our current and future actions. Thank you for attending my Ted talk. 😁
thanks for discussing this anton. i usually don't bother unless you've looked at it as so many sites love to sensationalize stories i'd love it to be true for many of the same reasons you stated
So this pyramid was built before Sundaland sank into the ocean…? That was about 18,000 years ago… Just imagine what other ruins must be submerged in the shallow seas of SE Asia. I live rather near Gunung Padang - I hope to visit some day soon. It’s only about two hours journey to get there…
@@bjornfeuerbacher5514 Not me, Anton is confused. The pyramid's built over a natural geologic formation and hexagonal basalt rock which comprises the pyramid is naturally formed but moved from where they're formed to the pyramid site and used as construction material. Even establishment archeologists, who say the site is recent (yes the top layer is) admit that the natural basalt columns are used as construction material. The Great Pyramid of Egypt is ALSO built over a natural geologic formation.
One thing Pyramid theorists often seem to forget is that all modern examples of Pyramids or pyramid-like structures have been found in more or less flat land. The "pyramids" of Bosnia or here are in between other mountains, which dwarf them and would take away a lot of their direct impressiveness, making the sheer endeauvour to build them not worthwhile.
I’m quite sure that people have been building defensive mounds for a very long time. Much longer than 27,000 years. It would be cool if this is one of them.
Heresy. There is no funding that would support such a study to establish such a claim. Ergo, you are a fake news spreading heretic. Just stick with what the commercial scientists tell you is true. Stop with all of that presumption that humans have always had the ability to modify their environment to survive.
The world is full of mounds built by ancient people for spiritual reasons. Even simple burial mounds which are all over Europe. And all the known big pyramids like those in Egypt, Mesoamerica, Nubia etc were made for spiritual and cultural reasons too. You don't see too many "defensive mounds" around. For defense civilisations usually find natural hills and build forts and villages on top. Smaller defensive mounds as are needed to protect from horizontal gunfire in modern warfare are irrelevant for the ancient world.
@@dfpguitar- Spears, arrows and bullets follow different trajectories, but the basic idea is the same. Among smaller groups it was closer to guerilla warfare though -- hit-and-run skirmishes, predawn raids, capturing members of a rival group, etc. Defensive emplacements only make sense if you're going to stay put for a while, and hunter-gatherers need to move around a lot; they go where the food is, instead of fencing the food in.
I am afraid some scientists just look for confirmation bias. They should be as open minded as you Anton. There's so much evidence that the world is a mysterious place which is slowly giving ip its secrets. ❤
What do you even mean by “look for confirmation bias” - it’s part and parcel of the scientific method to check for bias in the work of yourself and others, and when you find it and deal with it - thats a good thing, not a problem. What scientists specifically are you talking about and in what case did they specifically engage in whatever it is you think you are talking about?
I think we were living in caves due to a worldwide cataclysm of some sort. I don’t believe we know what happened to cause it, yet. I just hope we can figure it out before we have to return to the caves. Thank you wonderful person. ✌🏼
It's nice to be in a time when the layers are being peeled away and the knowledge being updated, I for one am pleased as it shows there are still open minds.
I have to agree with the locals on this one. For one thing, the researcher is looking for something to prove him right, not evidence to discover what it is. It is the same as what others have done at other sites by ignoring evidence because it doesn't fit their theory, here he is claiming evidence when it is not clear either way.
Just a small point the small people which were given the name as the Hobbit people were also on an Indonesian Island. Not sure if thats who you were refering to when you mentioned the small pigmy people in the Philippines
@@christopherellis2663 I think this is what you're saying, but to clarify, the "hobbit people" were a different species from us, Homo floresiensis, who were probably directly descended from Homo erectus in Asia. Negritos are anatomically modern Homo sapiens just like us.
Maybe, 1000 years ago my Javanese ancestor were recorded in history they were granted tax free land & monopoly of the twin & dwarf people that as a must have sacrificial in king coronation ritual, i don't know if the dwarf was related to the Hobbit.
It's so tragic that hundreds of thousands of years of human history has been erased. We can dig all we want, but most of everything that happened is lost to the ravages of time. Our ancestor species and our extinct cousins all controlled fire, made tools, had languages and cultures. They made art, sang songs, and passed their stories down through unknowns numbers of generations. And perhaps they made cities and built ancient wonders, too. But we may never know. Most of it has been reduced to dust.
I am a Hindu and according to ancient Hindu scriptures, humans are BILLIONS of years old and are NOT NATIVE to Earth. Here is merely SOME evidence suggesting not only a human presence on Earth BILLIONS of years ago, but also suggesting complex human civilisations on Earth BILLIONS of years ago: * A human skull fragment from Hungary dated between 250,000 and 450,000 years ago * A human footprint with accompanying paleoliths (stones deliberately chipped into a recognisable tool type), bone tools, hearths and shelters, discovered in France and dated 300,000 to 400,000 years * Paleoliths in Spain, a partial human skeleton and paleoliths in France; two English skeletons, one with associated paleoliths, ALL at least 300,000 years old * Skull fragments and paleoliths in Kenya and advanced paleoliths, of modern human manufacture, in the Olduvai Gorge in Tanzania, dated between 400,000 and 700,000 years * Neoliths (the most advanced stone tools and utensils) in China of a type that indicate full human capacity, dated to 600,000 years * Hearths, charcoal, human femurs and broken animal bones, all denoting modern humanity, in Java, dated to 830,000 years * An anatomically modern human skull discovered in Argentina and dated between 1 million and 1.5 million years (eoliths, which are chipped pebbles thought to be the earliest known tools, at Monte Hermoso, also in Argentina, are believed to be between 1 and 2.5 million years old). * A human tooth from Java yielding a date between 1 and 1.9 million years * Incised bones, dated between 1.2 and 2.5 million years, have been found in Italy * Discoveries of paleoliths, cut and charred bones at Xihoudu in China and eoliths from Diring Yurlakh in Siberia dated to 1.8 million years * Eoliths in India, paleoliths in England, Belgium, Italy and Argentina, flint blades in Italy, hearths in Argentina, a carved shell, pierced teeth and even two human jaws all bearing a minimum date of 2 million years Curiously enough, several of the very earliest artifact discoveries display a truly extraordinary level of sophistication. In Idaho, for example, a 2-million-year-old clay figurine was unearthed in 1912. But even this discovery does not mark an outer limit. Bones, vertebrae and even complete skeletons have been found in Italy, Argentina and Kenya. Their minimum datings range from 3 million to 4 million years. A human skull, a partial human skeleton and a collection of neoliths discovered in California have been dated in excess of 5 million years. A human skeleton discovered at Midi in France, paleoliths found in Portugal, Burma and Argentina, a carved bone and flint flakes from Turkey all have a minimum age of 5 million years. How far back can human history be pushed with discoveries like these? The answer seems to be a great deal further than orthodox science currently allows. As if the foregoing discoveries were not enough, we need to take account of: * Paleoliths from France dated between 7 and 9 million years * An eolith from India with a minimum dating of 9 million years * Incised bones from France, Argentina and Kenya no less than 12 million years old * More paleolith discoveries from France, dated at least 20 million years ago * Neoliths from California in excess of 23 million years * Three different kinds of paleoliths from Belgium with a minimum dating of 26 million years * An anatomically modern human skeleton, neoliths and carved stones found at the Table Mountain, California and dated at least 33 million years ago But even 33 million years is not the upper limit. A human skeleton found in Switzerland is estimated to be between 38 and 45 million years old. France has yielded up eoliths, paleoliths, cut wood and a chalk ball, the minimum ages of which range from 45 to 50 million years. There's still more. In 1960, H. L. Armstrong announced in Nature magazine the discovery of fossil human footprints near the Paluxy River, in Texas. Dinosaur footprints were found in the same strata. In 1983, the Moscow News reported the discovery of a fossilised human footprint next to the fossil footprint of a three-toed dinosaur in the Turkamen Republic. Dinosaurs have been extinct for approximately 65 million years. In 1983, Professor W. G. Burroughs of Kentucky reported the discovery of three pairs of fossil tracks dated to 300 million years ago. They showed left and right footprints. Each print had five toes and a distinct arch. The toes were spread apart like those of a human used to walking barefoot. The foot curved back like a human foot to what appeared to be a human heel. There was a pair of prints in the series that showed a left and right foot. The distance between them is just what you'd expect in modern human footprints. In December 1862, The Geologist carried news of a human skeleton found 27.5 m (90 ft) below the surface in a coal seam in Illinois. The seam was dated between 286 and 320 million years. It's true that a few eoliths, skull fragments and fossil footprints, however old, provide no real backing for the idea of advanced prehistoric human civilisations. But some other discoveries do. In 1968, an American fossil collector named William J. Meister found a fossilised human shoe print near Antelope Spring, Utah. There were trilobite fossils in the same stone, which means it was at least 245 million years old. Close examination showed that the sole of this shoe differed little, if at all, from those of shoes manufactured today. In 1897, a carved stone showing multiple faces of an old man was found at a depth of 40 m (130 ft) in a coal mine in Iowa. The coal there was of similar age. A piece of coal yielded up an encased iron cup in 1912. Frank J. Kenwood, who made the discovery, was so intrigued he traced the origin of the coal and discovered it came from the Wilburton Mine in Oklahoma. The coal there is about 312 million years old. In 1844, Scottish physicist Sir David Brewster reported the discovery of a metal nail embedded in a sandstone block from a quarry in the north of England. The head was completely encased, ruling out the possibility that it had been driven in at some recent date. The block from which it came is approximately 360 million years old. On 22 June 1844, The Times reported that a length of gold thread had been found by workmen embedded in stone close to the River Tweed. This stone too was around 360 million years old. Astonishing though these dates may appear to anyone familiar with the orthodox theory of human origins, they pale in comparison with the dates of two further discoveries. According to Scientific American, dated 5 June 1852, blasting activities at Meeting House Hill, in Dorchester, Massachusetts, unearthed a metallic, bell-shaped vessel extensively decorated with silver inlays of flowers and vines. The workmanship was described as 'exquisite'. The vessel was blown out of a bed of Roxbury conglomerate dated somewhat earlier than 600 million years. In 1993, Michael A. Cremo and Richard L. Thompson reported the discovery 'over the past several decades' of hundreds of metallic spheres in a pyrophyllite mine in South Africa. The spheres are grooved and give the appearance of having been manufactured. If so, the strata in which they were found suggest they were manufactured 2.8 BILLION years ago. What are we to make of these perplexing discoveries? They cannot simply be dismissed. If even ONE of these discoveries is TRUE (and I believe that MANY if not ALL of these discoveries are TRUE), then it changes EVERYTHING that modern mainstream anthropologists THOUGHT they knew about the human species.
@@Rishi123456789 It never fails to make me laugh that the same people who "follow the science" and say "respect all cultures" do exactly the opposite. They discount any and all evidence which contradicts their prescribed views and mock the traditions of ancient peoples and religions as "nonsense". The age is changing and enlightenment is coming, my friend.
@@NotKelloggsCornflakes I completely agree with you, other me. I'm not anti-science, I'm anti-scientism. I reject both "only my book has all the answers" religion AND "it's not real if we can't perceive it and replicate it in laboratories and have repeatability on demand" science equally, for both are based on fundamentally false premises. The thing is this, you ask people "How do you know X?" and they'll probably reply by saying something like "Well, because it's in my science books." or "Well, because it's been peer-reviewed." or "Well, because it's been agreed upon by a majority of scientists.", but these are flimsy defences, because unless YOU can verify for yourself whether something is true or not either by OBSERVATION or by doing an experiment about it BY YOURSELF, you are relying essentially on external sources for your information and it is naïve to think that those sources don't have agendas. What the average person calls 'science' (which is actually just mainstream science) has been hijacked by politics, religion and corporations. So-called 'peer review' these days is usually nothing more than a circle-jerk. Just as people support the separation of church and state (and RIGHTFULLY so), I support the separation of SCIENCE and state. We owe it to our innate intelligence to QUESTION EVERYTHING and that includes EVERYTHING that I tell you! If you politicise science, you kill the spirit of science (which is to question things). Most so-called 'scientists' today don't know their ass from their elbow and just unquestioningly repeat what their textbooks tell them to repeat.
@@NotKelloggsCornflakes I admire your open-mindedness, other me. They are obsessed with suppressing our sense of the possible - one of the ways they accomplish this is by restricting our access to correct information. They are hoarding knowledge of TRUE history, TRUE geology, TRUE astronomy, TRUE health, TRUE physics, etc. and, most importantly of all, knowledge of the TRUE nature of 'reality' itself while teaching a false, incomplete and distorted version of those subjects to the general public, who usually unquestioningly accept all of it. To anyone who dismisses anything that I post as being 'crazy', just remember that all it takes to suppress a person's sense of the possible is to restrict his or her access to correct information. Simple as that. Don't let others dictate to you what can and 'cannot' be done, what is 'real' and 'unreal' and what is possible and 'impossible'. You can do ANYTHING YOU WANT TO DO and you can be ANYONE YOU WANT TO BE, while still facing the karmic consequences of your actions. People are AWAKENING to a MORE EXPANDED CONCEPTION of the world and life in general and this is a PROFOUNDLY GOOD THING. We owe it to our innate intelligence to QUESTION EVERYTHING and that includes EVERYTHING that I tell you. There are two things that they do not want you to know above all else: 1. That who and what we ALL really are is Pure Consciousness, which is INFINITE AND ETERNAL, experiencing life in a temporary human form (you can call Pure Consciousness 'God' if you want, but I don't, because the word 'God' has limiting religious connotations that I would rather avoid). 2. That what we call 'reality' is ILLUSORY and therefore MALLEABLE, which means that NOTHING is impossible (indeed, even the word 'impossible' itself literally says "I'm possible!"). The righteous will inherit the Earth and beyond, other me. Have faith in that. And sharpen your sword until that day comes. We have the power to transform this prison illusion into a PARADISE ILLUSION, so let's USE that power!
NDGT explain this succinctly as: a pyramid is the exact building shape that will erode with time but remain a 'pyramid' throughout, and due to its mass and size will remain a 'pyramid' for thousands of years easily. Is it easy to design one? Well give a toddler some blocks and would you look at that. Mind blown!
@@TheRepainI think their comment is obvious. What lasts longer, wood or stone? 🤔 Ancient people almost certainly had wooden constructions as well, that have long withered away. Stone lasts way longer though...
Graham states over and over that he a author and journalist by trade. He is an enthusiast on many levels. Why there is so much hate on such a positive open minded theorists blows my mind!
THANK YOU I WILL LOOK THIS UP I AM INTERESTED IN THIS STUFF GUESS MAYBE? BECAUSE A FAMILY MEMBER WORKED ARCHEOLOGICAL SITES ASIDE FROM HIS REG JOB SOME OF US AREN'T INTERESTED I AM I THINK WE CAN LEARN FROM THE PAST
This is false. Here is what wikipedia has to say (check yourself for better sources) "It has been suggested that these fish traps may be the oldest human construction in the world. The age of the fish traps is currently unknown. ... An indication of when the Brewarrina fish traps were constructed may possibly be gauged by considering changes in the flow of the Barwon River. Construction of the fish traps would only have worked if low water levels were relatively frequent and regular in the river. Evidence from the lower Darling River indicates that during the past 50,000 years prolonged periods of low flow occurred between 15,000 and 9,000 years ago, and then from about 3,000 years ago up until the present time. Whether or not these dates also apply to low flow periods in the Barwon River is currently unknown."
Unfortunately, the exact age of the Brewarrina fish traps remains unknown. This lack of certainty stems from the difficulty in dating such ancient structures built from natural materials. However, various estimations and suggestions offer insights into their potential age: Estimated age: 40,000 years: This estimate is found in some tourist information resources and museums like the Brewarrina Aboriginal Cultural Museum. However, it lacks concrete archaeological evidence. 1,000 to 3,000 years: This estimate comes from archaeological research conducted by Dr. Richard Wright. He compared the Brewarrina fish traps to other similar structures in New South Wales and suggests a younger age range.
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Graham Hancock was absolutely livid that the scientific community wanted nothing to do with this dig site. Whatever discoveries present themself should at least recognize Hancock for being the one who made it happen
Irrespective of whether this does turn out to be a pyramid or not, which will no doubt emerge from further intensive study, I would suggest not using the term "ancient civilisation", as that implies city dwelling. "Ancient Culture" would be a much better label to apply to it for now, unless actual evidence of city dwelling emerges. And yeah - my first gut feeling was and remains that this is geologic in nature.
I should point out that the establishment has destroyed many archeologists careers who have been pushing the timeline for humans back thousands of years.
@@AquaFyrreIf you don't give your work a neo-marxist slant and adhere to faculty lounge politics, you don't get peer viewed at all? Just like the rest of academia? Have you seen what the presidents of Harvard, MIT, and UPENN said in congress yesterday? Science and academia ain't what it used to be. It is a #$%^ing disgrace.
I studied geography/geology and my first thought seeing the diagrams and images was "that is a volcano, not a pyramid!" It is almost a textbook example of an eroded volcano and then at 5:40 he agrees... A perfect example of the need for interdisciplinary exchanges. Don't assume something but ask for the opinions of other experts first
If that structure is a cinder cone or some other volcanic feature it's interesting that it would become a sacred place where people build on top of. There are many sacred volcanoes but people don't tend to build on them for obvious reasons, in fact most are a taboo kind of sacred place. So it could be that this feature erupted once in the past ten thousand years which would be unusual for Indonesia, or it could be that it erupted fairly often, in which case you wouldn't build there. There must have been a very deep cultural memory for people to go back there potentially up to 18 millennia later and build a pyramid. It's not impossible to get a bunch of people together to build a pyramid even without stone tools. The stones look small enough to carry and all you need for a bigger rock is a few people and some rope, which can be made with just hands and teeth. You can talk about division of labor and such but a project like that could take years and it's unlikely to have been done without agriculture. The local people might still have some cultural attachment to the pyramid and that would be helpful to know about.
There is a misconception in your thesis, which is that people will avoid building on and around an active volcano. All the major Javanese volcanos actually preserve multiple layers of habitation around them. There are layers of buried temple complexes at the foot of Merapi volcano (one of the most active in the world), some being dated to within half a century of the preceding layer. People simply continued coming back to the same place in-between eruptions to build and rebuild temple complexes at the same place, sometimes within living memory of the destruction of the previous ones. Even today people still do this. There was a mystic living on Merapi who was believed by locals to have been the "keyholder" of the mountain. His family had been doing this "job" for many years and he came to national prominence in 2006 when he and a few families of his followers refused to leave the volcano after the government issued an evacuation order. That time his house got wrecked and he caught burns across half of his body. Well, by 2008 the house had been rebuilt and MORE people had moved in around it, drawn by his supposed mystical powers because in 2006 only he got injured. All his followers survived with minor scratches and burns. In 2010 Merapi erupted again and this time wiped out the community, including the mystic. Well, guess what? In 2013 Merapi erupted again and people found out that the community had rebuilt itself and was once again refusing to evacuate. Merapi erupted again this year, so I looked around in the webz to find out whether these people were still around. Yep. Still there.
@@andrewsuryali8540 That is very interesting. I did mean global trends but did not know that it was done in the same region. That could be a very old cultural phenomenon that connects them with this pyramid but also people do build near volcanoes when they lose the memory of how dangerous they are due to the great farmland (e.g. Naples). That and home is home wherever it is would explain people rebuilding on very active volcanic systems. Perhaps I'm wrong and there's a different reason why this pyramid or "pyramid" was built on. We'll find out in time. Alternating layers of pyramid and tephra would be an interesting semi-natural parallel to Mesoamerican pyramid building. To be clear I don't think that the core structure was built by people. A culture that could build a pyramid 27,000 years ago would surely show up all over the archaeological record of the region and it would be a hell of a dark age before the next one would be built. Thanks for the information about Marapi and its mystics. That'll be good to read about.
@@SAOS451316 The "pyramid" is bogus. Or at least the dating is. What the structure is is a cinder cone that people have unintentionally shaped over a very long period of time into something that sort of looks like a pyramid if you squint enough. Then the latest bunch of people realized that, hey, this sort-of-regularly-shaped giant structure looks like the perfect place to build something on, and built a bunch of surface structures that gave the whole place it's pyramidy final looks.
@@elenabob4953 No, literally ON them. Didn't you read that whole part about the mystic and his followers? They were living right next to the peak. What's crazier is that there's a regular market around 100 meters from the compound and the local merchants have no connection to the mystic. They just set up shop there because there are people around to trade with - villagers and tourists.
This is not very surprising considering that the Valmiki Ramayana describes a catastrophic event in which the sun was clouded by smoke emanating from the East of India which has a very high similarity to the Toba explosion that happened 74000 years ago. Considering that written record of a pre-historic geological event has persisted into scriptures of Ancient Hindu Civilization, a 27000 year old structure is more or less in agreement with the traditional timeline of the Hindu Civilization according to Hindu scriptures that is 100,000 years. It won't be very surprising if the said structure found is Hindu in its origin.
The people that were living in caves there 9,000 to 12,000 yrs ago were living in caves cuz they were the ancestral survivors of the civilization that was decimated in a cataclysm that took place before then. It has become glaringly obvious to those that have done research and aren't totally close minded that we as a species have been around much much longer than what we were led to believe. The evidence is all over the planet and overwhelming, much of it being intentionally hidden and surpressed. Our ancestors have been trying to show and tell us for eons, but cuz it's frightening and doesn't fit what certain people want to believe they label it as mythology, or stories. We live on a planet that goes thru cyclical disasters and shifting, but our leaders don't want us to know that we our living on borrowed time or that we are a genetically engineered slave species only created and altered to do the labor of those that were here before us. Wake up and stop believing all that you were spoon fed to believe and the lies they taught us in school. Lies that were written by those without the proper equipment to know what we have since learned in the past couple decades with today's scientifically advanced equipment. It's all out to learn if you search for it, open your mind and eyes, and look and think for yourself.
Gobekli Tepe is likely a bit older. You see, the site was inhabited for a few thousand years likely. And you can see how it slowly went from primitive building methods, to the latter advanced ones. There's also numerous other sites in the area like Karahan Tepe which are of similar age, many not yet excavated (and some will likely be fully or partially left so for future generations with better tech. We know that they were not hunter gatherers, or using agriculture. But they were midway through domestication and were actually a transitioning society that relied on both! The thing is the zone was/is very techtonically active. The site kept getting buried. Eventually it got so bad they abandoned it. What happened to them after this though is unknown. We know they went extinct though. Their genes aren't found in any modern society. And they already to have disappeared very quickly afaik. Sadly this is the risk of innovation and early adoption. Another reason for Tepe was likely the lack of other materials like trees etc. Why build out of stone when you have a much simpler material? Let's remember wood was extremely expensive in ancient Egypt as it had to be imported, while since was available on-site. I am sure now there must have been many other sites and attempts. Because let's remember the Tepes were only preserved due to a combination of techtonic activity burying it rapidly, and it being in a place that was not later developed (which is very common, because it turns out humans keep selecting similar places that are easy to defend, have a lot of fertile land, access to running water, etc). The only trouble with even older sites than say 15k, is the lack of agriculture and the global climate. And if partial agriculture existed - or perhaps resources were so abundant they had spare time to build (but again this was during very cold times) - I think there's still the problem of how these structures survived so well. I hope this is right and we start finding more. The Hancock ideas are still bullshit and absurd. But if humans have really been mostly similar for the past 70k years (and we have poor genetic diversity to back this up) - then surely for those 70k years so so many of them humans have been thinking of building larger structures, even if just for practical reasons. We do have to also remember the populations for much of this were low to stupidly low (e.g. dropping up a few thousand people). And all other hominids went extinct. I also wonder if Neanderthals thought about this and maybe made some things. Then again, while clearly artistic and intelligent - they seemed much more risk averse. I also wonder why no one seemingly thought of anything in the 180k-230k before the 70k mark. Maybe the theory that the bottleneck 70k years ago really did select for more abstract thinking instead of traditional animal like thinning.
Some dates: c. 20,000 BC Sun enters an emission nebula, a remnant leftover from sun/planet creation far away, around 20,000 AD we will leave it. Since we are inside of it, it is hard to see the nebula. c. 18,000 BC recent Glacial Maximum. Humans first evidence inhabit Sardinia/Corsica (all one island at the time due to low water levels). c. 15,000 BC humans re-enter Americas, also vast Missoula lake intermittently floods over the next 2000 years forming the Columbia river basin. c. 13,000 BC Earliest Pottery found invented in Sechwan, China, later lost with the culture. It will be invented again after loss. c. 12,000 BC Older Dryas - chilly weather world wide event caused droughts & turned European forests into tundra. Several possible causes, including: c. 12,500 BC Glacial lake Bonneville breaks ice dam in north America, flooding creates the Snake river basin. c. 12,500 BC Due to variation in Earth’s orbit, the African Humid Period starts, changing into green Sahara and green Arabia until 5,000 - 4,000 BC. 12,300 BC the upper atmosphere is bombarded by an unusually strong radiative event that causes a spike in the carbon 14 and beryllium isotope production, cause is uncertain but it is outside solar system. c. 11,000 BC beginning of recent Glacial retreat period & Neolithic period begins with farming, herding. Humans re-settle Scandinavia, Great Britain, north east Russia & by 6000 BC Ireland as the ice retreats. c. 10,000 BC Younger Dryas - chilly weather world wide event froze Europe & caused droughts (possibly caused by volcanism, or by the melting ice dam flood of vast glacial lake Agassiz/Ojibwa in N. America through the Mackenzie river system that disrupted the Gulf Steam.) Also last European saber tooth tiger & woolly rhino die. Genetic mutation in Ukraine, first time humans are not brown eyed - blue, green, gray, hazel, etc. Also Earth begins it’s precession (wobble) from the north hemisphere facing closest to the sun, to the south as part of the 20,000 yr Milankovitch cycle; which will melt the glacial ice and dry up Sahara. First effect of melting is the separation of Japan from Korea as oceans rise. Also Beringa land bridge between Asia and North America floods, future migration (Eskimos and Aleuts) will be by boat. c. 10,000 BC Tell Qaramel (Syria) town with 5 tower like buildings. Also 1-2 million people on earth! c. 10,000?? BC Tunguska like meteor hits Atacama desert in Chile (then forested). c. 9,700 BC A meteor hits and destroyed Tell Abu Hureyra (Syria) a settlement where farming may also have begun. c.9100 BC - c7300 BC Göbekli Tepe, Boncuklu Tarla, Karahan Tepe (all in Turkey) oldest megalith circle sites/religious temples built by hunter/gatherers villagers, buried in c7300 BC; & Jerf El Ahmar (N Syria but flooded by dam) religious ? site. Also short-faced bear goes extinct in America. Ocean is much lower - Great Britain and Ireland attached to Europe plus (North Sea)/Doggerland, Baltic & Black seas were brackish lakes, smaller Adriatic and Persian Gulf were ½ land, Melting glaciers are still in all over Scandinavia, part of Scotland, central Ireland, and Russia. Egyptian coast was further out to sea. Much of Indonesia was dry land connected to Asia, Ceylon was connect to India. Sahara and Arabia are green savanna with rivers and lakes. c. 8500 BC Nevalı Çori, (Turkey) settlement religious monuments [also Gudang Padang Megalithic Site (Indonesia) possibly? built, some claim earlier]. World temperatures rise to near modern levels, slowly oceans rise, glaciers retreat more. The freshwater Ancylus Lake (forerunner of Baltic) connects to North Sea. Forests creep up into N Europe & Russia previously tundra areas, reducing population there used to tundra. Humans inhabit Cyprus. Also dwarf mammoths of Crete go extinct. c. 8000 BC Jericho (Israel) early human city with tower & walled with stone tools by the pre-pottery Natufian culture, agriculture “starts” in Mid East with first wheat farming. (Did religion start city building or vice versa?) Humans settle Tierra del Fuego, covering the Americas. Also finally 3-5 million people on whole Earth! Whee!
@@Tonixxy It's an arbitrary disginguishment anyway. It's not like there's a sudden line in the sane where we turn into our species. E.g. if it was 200,000 years ago, we wouldn't be saying homo sapiens at 50k or 100k years old.
@@lost4468yt we literally have era names like stone age and iron age according to the development? Also oldest proved iron smelting is on the Balkans 8000BC old
@@Tonixxy What does that have to do with what you said in your first comment? Your first comment was about the age of our species? As I said, the age of a species is virtually always an arbitrary point. Species don't exist in nature, they're human classifications, hence the lines where they're drawn are arbitrary. There still isn't a good agreement on what classifies something as a different species vs being part of the same species. There has been a ton of definitions historically, and there's multiple definitions in play still. 300,000 years ago, was there two individuals who were not our species, but their child was a member of our species? No of course not, that's not how it works.
The thing about smart people is there aren't really that many of them, which leads them to being ridiculed because they can challenge the accepted norm
There is a principle in Palaeontology and Archaeology called the Principle of Minimum Astonishment, which means that the more prosaic and least remarkable theory which adequately explains something is usually the right one. The site is volcanic and the blocks are shattered basaltic columns similar to the ones on the Giant's Causeway, whch are stll upright. Such columns are commonplace in volcanic locations. It is not beyond possibility that thousands of years ago humans built a few unambitious structures with these columns and shifted them around, but nothing as grand as a pyramid. Pyramids have to be built very methodically, otherwise they have a tendency to collapse in a sort of land slide, especially the larger ones.
I was talking to the locals on nusa penida about why they do not farm on all of the flat terraces along the mountain tops. they explained that the structures had already existed when their ancestors arrived and believe they are haunted.
That's because the current locals in Nusa Penida came from Java, whereas the original inhabitants retreated back into Lombok (where they originally came from).
@@andrewsuryali8540 I don't know if that's completely accurate. Lombok is majority Muslim, and nusa penida has temples that are a mix of Hindu and Buddhist. the locals claim the temples predate the people. although I was told that bali used the Island as a penal colony for the dark wizard
@@danielroberts2012 Lombok people weren't always Muslim. Originally they were a mix of shamanistic peoples with a sprinkling of Hindu-Buddhist influence. The conversion of the Lombok people into Islam came about as a result of two invasions (also by Javanese people - but Muslims) in the 16th century. The ruins of Nusa Penida came from before this invasion.
@@andrewsuryali8540 that makes sense, I always love talking to the locals about their history when I go to the island. I feel like this is a region that will eventually be forgotten to time
9:23 these are my people. Just to clarify, a lot of us have been displaced and disconnected from the culture largely because the Khoi and San languages have been killed off (hence my English)... I find these ancient discoveries amazing. I know there are no confirmations and archeologists always jump to "natural formations", but I like entertaining the possibility lol. Thank you for always bring this info to all of us Anton!
Archeology has grossly misdated many of the Pyramids and the Sphinx in Egypt. The Sphinx is at least 12,500 years old and the Pyramids are about the same age. They were not built by the Egyptians they were already built when the Egyptians found them. Why all Archeologists lie about the age of things and our true history is the biggest mystery of them all!!
Looks like old columnar basalt remnants later covered and encased in volcanic ash, that itself degraded into soil. However, those 4-sided stones stacked together were interesting, usually they form with the 5 and 6-sided columns, so it appears they were removed and sorted into the stack; but by whom, the discoverers or alleged paleo-tribe?
But will it ever be verified? I'm still waiting for confirmation of the Yonaguni underwater ruins, but like we usually see with possible pre-historic ruins, the older they seem to be the less likelihood you'll ever see any effort put forward to confirm anything about them, strangely.
@@jasonburris334 It's definitely strange since either A. it's not a real archaeological site or B. tens of thousand of people that dedicate themselves to learning about humanity's past out of actual passion for the subject would collectively be so incompetent as to fail to discover this civilization and then deny its existence in favor of dogma when actually proving it with evidence would be the find of the millennium for the field. I'm going to go with A. since I'm not a moron.
The mainstream archeologists refused to check that site out because "it is a natural formation" so there is nothing to be checked out. Now that something was found by non mainstream archeologists they keep saying "ohh but it is not that old". That is a clownish behavior.
There's so much we don't know about beyond around 5000 years ago, that speculation about the origins of ancient architecture is almost meaningless. Unless something definitive appears to tell us the story of the past, we may as well throw it all in a file marked 'pre-history'.
What most people don't understand about the last glacial period is that it was not a snowball earth event. Around the equator there was a temperate band where civilizations could easily have been raising and falling during the entire period. Too bad a lot of that is now underwater. And most other sites have been limited to the biblical age of ~6.000 years.
Hilarious enough the site Gunung Padang is actually on Graham Hancocks first episode on his ancient apocalypse series on Netflix. While I do hold Graham under somewhat heavy scrutiny for his tendencies of confirmation bias without solid irrefutable evidence, it seems as though he might be right in his inference that the structures at Padang are vastly older than previously assumed.
They literally dated dirt at the depth of an empty magma chamber in the extinct volcano the site is built on. There's zero evidence of a structure down there. What they did was no better than detecting a cavity under your house, dating the dirt to 50,000 years and then saying your house is a 50,000 year old pyramid.
You might see different mic appearing in the next few videos. I'm just testing to see which has more sound as many people mentioned there is a lack of clarity in some of the videos and I'm trying to improve the overall sound.
If you're an audio engineer, I'd love your help for a small consultation as I'm clueless when it comes to what seems to be off
Enjoy!
Always sounds good enough here
I'm liking the new Anton method.
Try the Maono PD200X
I just use a Rode Lavalier II. I find that's really clear. I just use it flat with no EQ. But you can get that very close up 'booming' bottom end with a tiny bit of low end boost.
Highly underrated scholar of the universe !
I appreciate you getting straight to the point, no joking, or background music. Much easier to learn from the videos
One point that always seems to get overlooked is how long a culture could have taken to become experts at architecture. Sure Gobekli Tepe dates back about 13,000 years, but how long did the builders' culture take to be able to quarry and carve stone so well, to architect an entire cultural center? that would have taken many thousands of years if not more which pushes them all the way back into the ice age. There are so many relics of an ancient civilization staring us straight in the face it's becoming impossible to ignore them. The city off the coast of Cuba under 650 meters of water. Unmistakably a complete, planned, structured city on the ocean floor. how long has that been there?
If you're curious about this topic, there's a good video on the channel "World of Antiquity" describing the sites prior to Gobekli Tepe and the evolution of the architecture in the area. I definitely recommend it.
@@federicogianaThank you, I'll see if I can find it.
Something solid on the City underwater? Can be hard to tell facts from fiction these days
@@jennifernorman9655 I did find the video, but obviously, CZcams is shadowing my comment. Let me try again...
Channel: World of Antiquity
Title: "Did Gobekli Tepe Appear Out of Nowhere? A Reply to Graham Hancock"
Thousands of years to become experts at architecture? Come on dude the architecture there is not rocket science and we went from mule carts to rockets in a few hundred years.
I'd like to make a suggestion. Anytime you are discussing archeology sites like this one, please do not include footage of other similar sites. The constant flipping back and forth between images of this site and "examples" from similar sites leaves me entirely confused as to what images are legitimately from this location. Also, there are a lot of click bait channels out there that do exactly the same thing. They add photos from unrelated locations that are really intended as clickbait - to create an unbelievable sensationalist effect. You're drawn in because you are misled into thinking that the images show a really advanced and very old site, but instead, they are "examples" of similar locations or illustrations that "clarify" some tangent that the narrator is going on about. A lot of these tangential discussions on the clickbait channels are just shameless filler. To be clear, I find your channel entirely reputable and I would not accuse you of stooping to clickbait tactics, but I felt it necessary to make this comment on this particular video.
It's not that deep bro
Stop whining butt chuck
Agreed!
Images were from Gunung Padang my friend.
As a GPR technician I’d love to look over those scan files. The images provided mean almost nothing alone, but with hundreds of scans you can begin to piece together a story of what’s underneath. Different materials reflect differently, as does open space and water. Using different frequencies also helps with depth and density. So I’d find it very interesting to see all the data.
you wont have access to that data because its now in glowie hands 😭👽
I would just love to see them dig down to these cavities. Why everything happens so slowly or not at all amazes me, doesn't exactly instil confidence when experts claim they are just volcanic voids but no intention of proving it. I mean c'mon how easy is it to drill a hole and wack in a camera...could have been done years ago and mystery solved.
it's already been thoroughly debunked as being a natural feature, but of course some people refuse to acknowledge that because they have research grants resting on it being man made.
@@jwenting Thoroughly is drilling a hole and putting a camera in there..Why is that so hard? That would prove beyond a doubt if it is natural. You should be advocating for this yourself.
@@stopcensoringme6296 dude, stop talking with an air of authority about things you clearly aren't familiar with. a camera on a stick is wholly incapable of producing enough information to disprove natural origin.
personally, i believe in the concept of civilizations living here long before us. not necessarily more advanced, but much more advanced than we currently believe.
Not in this case though. The paper has been heavily scrutinised for poor methodology.
The dirt goes to 27000 years. But there are no artifacts at that depth. No indication of human activity. Earliest activity is 5000bce
Thats not really controversial for mainstream archeologists and etnographers.
@@alhesiad Yes it is.
@@Sgt.chickensInteresting this. I always am fascinated at how dating differentiates the 'structure' from the basic materials like soil used to build the structure. The former is newer when compared to the latter.
@@Sgt.chickens Interesting thing about the scrutinization, is that none of it is properly backed up by any evidence unlike the paper itself!
And the people vocal about denouncing the paper are the same ones who similarly said the Romans were the first to build roads despite SOMEONE building a super-highway throughout South America a thousand years prior!
Love how Anton gets exited about the possibility, but doesn’t let it affect his adherence to scientific principles. Awesome channel.
was talking to a friend who also watched the other day. I said he's very unbiased an often ends segments by saying something like "Is this definite? No, until we have more evidence it's just a nice idea"
Do a deep dive on the ancient civilization it’s pretty obvious once you do.
I thought this was going to be some bs but this guy has no tinfoil hat on thankfully.
@@myself171Yep, mainstream science narrative is so naive, arrogant & in extreme denial. So much so that they end up not following true scientific rationale & reasoning just so their fragile propped up narrative doesn’t fall over.
@@jameshannagan4256tinfoil hat in understanding that hunter/gatherers couldnt stack two thoulsand ton rocks on top of eachother? The history is written down but the vatican thieves guild has stolen and locked away over a milion books for NOONE to see.
Graham Hancock has entered the chat.
If he happens to be right, then he is right. Scientists (and I spent my career in STEM) HAVE to stop acting on "faith" - and calling it reason. If facts indicate that its true - then its true - stop with the bull.
I don’t have anything to do with Graham Hancock I think he’s a joke.
Anton went all mystical talking about the real-life fantasy world our ancestors once inhabited/survived in long enough to forward their genome. The "humongous beasts" part was funny and eye-opening, while conveying a certain wistfulness for the lost worlds of our species' past. Great work!
Well, if you still think there were no great ancient human civilization aka Atlantis and even many more before, that you are on the wrong side of history mate.
TY Anton for not turning this into another pyramid scheme.
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I laughed 😂👍🏻
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I have a love *triangle* for these videos.
Pottery is one thing. But in my opinion, pre-dynastic precision manufactured granite and other hard-stone vases, are something entirely different. I believe that the very existence of some of these incredible and most ancient of stone artifacts, is extremely telling, when it comes to just how little we truly know about our past.
I'm not proposing some crazy conspiracy, but I think there's a real possibility humans might've had to re-discover civilization a few times due to natural disaster, disease, war, famine, whatever. A ton of things. I think people tend to underestimate how fragile civilization can be, especially way back in those days when not getting enough rain meant famine, which probably increases violent interactions, and so on. One thing going wrong very wrong back then could easily be the domino that knocks down an entire civilization.
You've been watching too much Ben from Uncharted-X. It's not even pre-dynastic, it's a modern fake gotten from a man who has sold fake stuff in the past.
His provenance is non-existing. He claims it came from the ambassador of Czechoslovakia to Egypt at a time when Czechoslovakia didn't exist and there wouldn't have been any ambassador.
You should do a little research on Ben and his claims of precision. He's a pseudoscience grifter that also believes the moon is a construction.
I believe Chan Thomas’ theory proposed in his book “The True Adam & Eve Story. It fits & explains a lot of what we see, what we have found & importantly what we haven’t found.
"Precision manufactured"? Not sure where you're getting that from. This isn't some super advanced civilization except in the sense of what was original thought of for civilizations at that time. Context is important. And Anton summed it up well at the end of the video.
The precision argument is complete nonsense. The handles and holes aren't even symmetrical. Banging on about "precision" while ignoring basic facts is a false dilemma. Not to mention the fact that they made them in the old, middle and new kingdom.
The advancements in technology have really done SO much for the advancements of so much scientific study in such a relatively short period of time, it's all really rather mind blowing. Yet, it sure seems to me that the more advancements there are in the means to study the past, the older everything gets. Thank you very much, Anton Petrov for your short presentations on the latest discoveries across many scientific fields! I'm almost always motivated to learn more.
i appreciate that you do not shy away from controversial topics. some people are too afraid to possibly be wrong, and we end up with no real input. you're a star 😊
Humans yearn for the pyramids, we’re made for making them gotta build more
Fuckin form a committee and start lobbying, m8! You have our support.
Nah, humanity moved from pyramids to spheres
That would be kinda awesome. Build something similar to the great pyramid but bigger. We’ve wasted far more money on other dumb crap. Really wouldn’t be that colossal of an undertaking for us.
It's more that pyramids are, by virtue of their shape, very easy to build and build big
How about a huge ziggurat?
Let's not forget Graham Hancock opens his series "Ancient Apocalypse" here. And was ridiculed because of it.
Came here just for this. I wish people would use their damn brains and stop trusting mainstream media.
And justly so. AA has been thoroughly debunked for every episode.
@peterinbrat your comment makes me wanna watch Ancient Apocalypse for a third time.
Science advances one death at a time, imagine how bad it is in the pseudo-science land that is archaeology where people tie their personal narratives into their partially scientific claims, and make into a dogma that can't be questioned. Too much of the old pseudo-scientists' time and too much money being earned in keeping their beliefs alive, they don't want to watch their lives' work going up in flames so they have to diminish and destroy people that oppose their religious views regardless of the evidence provided.
@@peterinbratthoroughly debunked? That's funny!
I was going to build a pyramid 27 000 years ago...but then things got really busy at work.
I’m glad the archaeologists who refused to look at the actual data are finally getting their butts, handed to them. As an engineer, I am completely disgusted by their inability to simply look at the data, and understand that human civilization is far far older than they give it credit for.
i like that you talk about other stuff than space. keep it up Anton, tanks.
6 months have passed. Still not a single video. We have a Challenger-3 Main Battle Tank coming out fairly soon. Is Anton covering it? Is he fuck.
I love how modern $cientific community will flat out deny literally EVERYTHING that challenges existing dogma, no matter how overwhelming is the first evidence. Gobekli Tepe was laughed at by most "Archaeologists" and "Anthropologists" alike for a decade at least, same goes for younger drias period and global floods that happened during that period. Nowadays, both are accepted as fact, but back then. those theories were laughed at. It's a shame really, money governs research and those with established ideas, oppose anything that challenge their ideas, absolutely undermining everything that science stands for
In March 2024, publishers retracted a study that claimed the Indonesian pyramid Gunung Padang was built by humans 27,000 years ago. The study was retracted due to flawed dating and a lack of human-linked artifacts. Critics of the study say it incorrectly dated the human presence at Gunung Padang based on radiocarbon measurements of soil from drilling.
Where the Java Sea is today was a broad plain crossed by numerous rivers, believed to have been tropical grassland. If there was an agricultural ice age civilization anywhere, the Java sea (along with the Arafusa Sea north of Australia and the Congo Basin) is one of the most likely places where such a civilization might have developed.
To have an agricultural society, you should have something to cultivate.
We have to assume those domesticated plants sank with the civilization, because none of the ones we knows is 20.000 years old.
@@neutronalchemist3241millets from Eastern Africa has a interesting genetic history, you should read some papers and see. TLDR: millet shows narrowing genetic divergence akin to what you see during domestication several times during the last 600k years. Thought provoking, huh?
I don't know what the indigenous crops of the Java Region would be, perhaps Yams? I'd start by looking there.
@@neutronalchemist3241well, genetic modified croops tend to be more fragile and not be able to survive without human intervention, or they just return to be wild croops without artificial selection, like bananas, they can't survive without us, or maize, it will also degenerate into a crop with poor yield after just a few generations as they are only able to be cultivated with human intervention.
@@derederekat9051 What happened with the neolithic agricultural revolution we know is that, once a crop had been domesticated, it didn't remain there as a close guarded secret. It did spread in many domesticated varieties. The places where emmer, einkorn and barley had been first domesticated are now desert, and the people that domesticated them disappeared before written history, but the domesticated crops didn't disappear with them, or their fertile land.
Here instead we have to assume that this supposed crop had been created by this supposed civilization and died with it, without leaving anything behind.
I've have a lot of issues with the idea that humans didn't do agriculture until after the ice age but I don't completely discount it. My problem with the idea is that culturally modern humans evolved by 70,000 years ago, then spread through the length of Eurasia over the next 40,000 years, then about 20,000 years ago the east asian population spread into the Americas. But if none of these populations did agriculture, why? If they didn't have the genetic ability to do agriculture until 10,000 years ago, where did that mutation develop? There's a bunch of independent starts to agriculture in the 5-10 kya range all over eurasia and the Americas, but after 70,000+ years of no agriculture, it's implausible to me that there's a bunch of independent agriculture mutations at about the same time. And if the ability to do agriculture evolved 40kya in Africa, why no agriculture until after the ice age. It's not like agriculture requires a particular level of technology, just recognizing that when you spill seeds someplace the plant you spilled grows there next year and the desire to use that principle to create a more stable food supply. The one idea that seems plausible to me is this: tropical and subtropical areas have lots of easily available food so there's no need to do the hard work needed to domesticate it. But across the mammoth steppe, a new theory is that we ate the partially digested plant material in ruminant guts, so we still had no need for agriculture. But after the big ruminants went extinct, maybe humans all over had to start looking for better sources of food.
I appreciate how balanced and unbiased you are when presenting information, which includes logically covering opposing viewpoints. Well done. Please give a master class for those in government and the news media. Thanks, Humanity.
Thanks for posting this. I really appreciate that you're keeping us up to date on what's going on currently with proposed historical rewrites. Please keep it up.
Just the Wikipedia page of Gunang Padang explains a lot about the whole matter:"Instead of finding artifacts, raleating them to a local known culture and then date them by radio carbon meaning, pseudo archeologists with the sanction of the president of the country, found something not even human related, dated it and then invented an ancient culture to justify it" 😑
It didn't take people long to learn that a pyramid shape was the best way of stacking stones.
it also makes the project faster as you only have to cover the mountain up with rocks , not build it from the ground up with a lot of rocks
If every building is a one story room, or several rooms attached, then what context is there for "building higher" than "let's build a mountain it'll take a few generations, but we live in the tropics, so ¼ of us carry on fishing, ¼ of us keep picking fruit, the rest of us are building a mountain now"
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@@Dave-spacenot that impressive can be done with 100 men and rope
Pseudoarchaeologists will tell you archaeologists look down on ancient humans - that they think there was no way an ancient advanced civilizations existed that taught everyone to make pyramids.
Actual archaeologists will say they believe ancient humans were smart enough to figure pyramids out on their own and that they're not making claims on ancient advanced civilizations until there's actual archaeological evidence.
The work Anton produces on a daily basis is staggering. It's always really good, well researched, and often has a little bit of Anton's humor in there as well. Thanks for doing this story, Anton. I really enjoy talking about these civilizations that existed before, during, and immediately following the Younger Dryas.
Please do not get your information on said info from this channel. Anton is FAR from a history buff let alone his biases are worn on his shirt. I absolutely disagree with ignoring factual scientific evidence because you dont "FEEL" it is right... What a truck load of garbage Anton is feeding his audience now. Sorry Anton, the date is established, Graham Hancock is correct about this place and you just go sit in the corner and cry about it to your fans who seem to listen to every word you say without doing an ounce of research.. This may not be you, you mention the younger dras, you know about the extinction event, don't let this skerptard suppress your knowledge! Keep researching !
Thank you Anton. Let's also not forget another fact, archaeologists are the worst for propping us older colonial views of what the ancients were capable of. So in all honesty, archaeologists have more to answer for when denying newer evidence due to a horrible track record of denial. For decades the mantra of "That is impossible, so it can't be true." ruled the world of archaeology. Impossibility driven by colonial racism. I am more open to newer archaeological ideas than traditional archaeological ideas moreso that in any other science.
In USA, I think our govt. needs to make the biggest and the best pyramid, out of granite, on Earth. They need to do at least, something, worthwhile.
The thing that always brings me back to watching these wonderful Anton vid's... is? Not only does Anton cover the latest data/information relating to our mysterious but wonderful, universe? BUT, Anton occasionally comes back to Planet Earth, with the latest info, regarding our own shared backyard as well.🌏🤗
Not a lot of archaeological evidence for the people living around Gobekli Tepe was found, either... Likely, it was a okace of pilgrimage, and the worshippers lived by the coast, the evidence of which is now either 100 feet underwater, or destroyed by the rising ocean.
..i DO remember reading 20 years ago, that South Vietnam had the evidence for the earliest bronze production. So they had their act together.
Ancient architects just released a video with updates on gobekli tepe, they found what they think are houses and other structures.
@@EvilFandango interesting, thanks
The problem is a lot of archaeologist's life's work will be made irrelevant if new info is made available. They may not want that..........
Don't forget though, archeologists also disagreed that the Egyptian pyramids were the oldest until other finds were made.
theres 118 pyramids in egypt. only 3 are good. why?
In order to put this into perspective, even a stainless steel knife will have degraded to basically nothing after around 10K years. Unless the conditions are perfect (the big problem with archaeology and paleontology), finding bone or charcoal would be difficult to impossible due likewise to decay or to dispersal, even if they were there. If you really find some convincing stonework (which lasts significantly longer) though, the people behind this would have some pretty solid theory fuel. As it is now though, need more boots on the ground, I think.
Agree, after 20,000 years there would be nothing left of our civilization except masonry, so we can assume this is the case here too. Biologist tell us that homo-sapiens in our current form arrived 100,000 years ago as the modern human. Logically if that civilization carved stones that means tool usage. That yields: modern humans had tools thousands of years before than previously shown, thus anything that we believe early civilizations could do with tools also applies to these people.
@@Ramiromasters One thing I do kinda find funny about this is that, if this is some kind of monument or the like, its age at least lines up with the oldest cave paintings.
@@Ramiromastersmodern humans have, to the best of my knowledge, been around for at least 3 to 4 hundred thousand years based on remains found. The earliest evidence for tool use is dated to over two and a half million years ago by a different hominid species. If tools were around before homo sapiens then it wouldn't surprise me in the least if we had been using tools for our entire existence. Three to four hundred thousand years is a long time that we know almost nothing about. Nothing as of yet indicates anything unusual, but anything could be hiding in that time frame.
@@kevinhank17the largest finds of homoerectus tools was in India dated about 1 mya. There was a land bridge connecting India, Ethiopia and Madagascar where homoerectus settled and moved back and forth from India and Ethiopia. The first homosapiens might have developed out of this constant migration and would explain why Indian legends talk about India one million years ago.
The oldest Homosapien remains were found in Morocco dated over 300,000 years ago. I myself wouldn't be surprised if Homosapiens appeared closer to 400,000 ya.
@Ramiromasters I disagree as humans have created landfills the size of very large hills where literal tons of debris would still exist.
a lot of pre-columbian north american cultures are only known through archeaological records. mississippian and fort ancient groups, for example.
yes, that was quite a statement
@@longrange957 It stunning how many people on a science oriented channel are "skeptical" (willfully ignorant) of physical ancient architecture well known to museums and most native tribes and which anyone can visit. Half of USAs major cities are built over these ancient mound sites (St. Lewis for example) and the natives say their people didn't build them but a different people who came before.
I'm with you on this, Anton. I would love to see them make further discoveries at this site. We have so little about these people. Maybe they can do some other types of dating and layer analysis.
I hope you do more videos about this period. Your enthusiasm when talking about the hobbits and other hominids existing together with the mammoths and ground sloths, etc, is contagious. Sparked my imagination.✌️😎💜
Just proves that ancient people were way more intelligent than we give them credit for
Humans repair and remodel structures. Many ancient ruins are found to be built over older, pre existing structures. Obviously more investigation is needed. Confirmation bias can be problematic. Making a breakthrough discovery usually secures further funding, so the scam factor cannot be dismissed.
Are we going to literally dig up every extinct volcano because someone detects an empty magma chamber, dates some dirt, and declares the whole thing an absurdly old pyramid without even a shard of pottery to back up their claim?
What do you think? I'd guess probably not.
“Somewhere something incredible is waiting to be known!!!!” ~ Carl Sagan
I am inclined to side with the Indonesian scientists that what has been presented does not indicate anything surprising or older than what has long been known about the area. I think the whole enterprise of looking for a pre-Holocene "civilization" is misdirected and even Eurocentric. It's like thinking about Sumer as the cradle of "civilization" and the Natufian pre-pottery neolithic suggesting that functional pottery was invented in the Levant (near Sumer) and was somehow a pathbreaking development. Today, it is known that functional pottery was used by hunter-gatherers in Siberia and China. The cave site of Xianrendong in the Yangtze basin has pattery dated to some 20,90019,200 B.P. (years before the present). This isn't particularly surprising since non-functional clay sculptures (so-called Venus figurines) are found dated to 25,000-29,000 B.P., and figurines carved with other materials are even older.
What needs to change is the ideology that urban elites give us the best picture into the past. I would rather look at cultures similar to those in New Guinea, where the banana was domesticated and cultivators don't need plows. Some of the highland cultures of New Guinea like the Dani became quite sophisticated, and have high population densities today and in the past, but look nothing like western expectations of "civilization". But this announcement of a so-called discovery does remind us that there could have been sophisticated cultures now resting beneath the shallow seas in the Sunda continental shelf (and elsewhere). With the dramatic improvement of technologies for archeological research, I hope it will soon be practical to do systematic archeology in the continental shelf, and maybe we will discover evidence of pre-Holocene cultivator populations. There may have been built-up populations in what were then desirable lowlands (now shallow seas), and the hunter gatherer groups were driven to remote mountain areas. And both groups could have been using functional pottery long before the Holocene.
Because this place is not in the Eurocentric Greek, Mesopotamian societies, scientist don’t want to believe they were earlier civilizations.
Thank you for your program, Anton!❤ I can always find something interesting and new when I look you up! ❤
Fun Fact Karahan Tepe is slightly older than Gobekli Tepe
And less than 5% of Gobekli Tepe has been excavated.
The symbolism of the handbag across all these ancient sites is not a coincidence. All these cultures were in contact with one another or something or somebody taught them all something to do with that handbag haha
@@MichaelPK03 Why does every language throughout all of time have the same meaning for the Sirius star.
Personally, that’s not a fun fact. To me, it’s an annoying fact and I’m trying not think about it lest I become enraged. Come back when you have a fact that is actually fun, like Karajan Tepe was made of peanut brittle
No shit genius
Just saying here… we all know that most Egyptologist’s deny that the Sphinx is older than it is (~5000yrs-7000yrs old). When there is geological evidence showing with water erosion on the sphinx that it’s actually 10,500-12,500 yrs old. Not only do they deny for the sake of pride, and in thinking the history is settled, but the numerous fields of study and textbooks as well and teaching programs that support those egyptologists claims. Makes me wonder if these Indonesian scientists and “experts” are denying the validity for the reasons stated above 🤷♂️
Anything requiring a rewrite of human history gets swept under the rug and ignored as if it never existed. So, even if an excavation was suddenly given the green light, it's doubtful that we'd ever know much about it, especially if it actually turned out to be that old. Unfortunately, it's unlikely that a full-scale excavation of the site will ever take place.
Oh course! Just look at how they refuse to dig up Gobekli Tepe while at the same time telling everyone how Gobekli Tepe proved everything was wrong!
Keep it up brother, your the only person I trust for science news.
*you're
Mwahaha
After this video.... not so much
Pretentious much?
While Gobekli Tepe is around 11,000 yrs old there are several other settlements near Gobekli Tepe that are even older. The oldest of the Tepe sites is 3-4000 yrs older than Gobecli Tepe.
Yep. People like to argue and say people didn't live in Gobekli. Of course not. You don't live in the temple. You live neaby. I just hate how slowly they're uncovering things. I want translated pictogram stories that make the epic of Gilgamesh look like Hello Moon. Sadly it will take decades.
I've heard of sites which are perhaps 1000 years older - but 3 to 4000 years? What exactly do you mean?
What a question. There's a few sites in the Tazpeller region that are older than Gobekli Tepe and one of them is 3-4 thousand years older. Don't take my word for it. Do some searching. There's info and videos out there that discuss these sites. @@bjornfeuerbacher5514
I am a Hindu and according to ancient Hindu scriptures, humans are BILLIONS of years old and are NOT NATIVE to Earth. Here is merely SOME evidence suggesting not only a human presence on Earth BILLIONS of years ago, but also suggesting complex human civilisations on Earth BILLIONS of years ago:
* A human skull fragment from Hungary dated between 250,000 and 450,000 years ago
* A human footprint with accompanying paleoliths (stones deliberately chipped into a recognisable tool type), bone tools, hearths and shelters, discovered in France and dated 300,000 to 400,000 years
* Paleoliths in Spain, a partial human skeleton and paleoliths in France; two English skeletons, one with associated paleoliths, ALL at least 300,000 years old
* Skull fragments and paleoliths in Kenya and advanced paleoliths, of modern human manufacture, in the Olduvai Gorge in Tanzania, dated between 400,000 and 700,000 years
* Neoliths (the most advanced stone tools and utensils) in China of a type that indicate full human capacity, dated to 600,000 years
* Hearths, charcoal, human femurs and broken animal bones, all denoting modern humanity, in Java, dated to 830,000 years
* An anatomically modern human skull discovered in Argentina and dated between 1 million and 1.5 million years (eoliths, which are chipped pebbles thought to be the earliest known tools, at Monte Hermoso, also in Argentina, are believed to be between 1 and 2.5 million years old).
* A human tooth from Java yielding a date between 1 and 1.9 million years
* Incised bones, dated between 1.2 and 2.5 million years, have been found in Italy
* Discoveries of paleoliths, cut and charred bones at Xihoudu in China and eoliths from Diring Yurlakh in Siberia dated to 1.8 million years
* Eoliths in India, paleoliths in England, Belgium, Italy and Argentina, flint blades in Italy, hearths in Argentina, a carved shell, pierced teeth and even two human jaws all bearing a minimum date of 2 million years
Curiously enough, several of the very earliest artifact discoveries display a truly extraordinary level of sophistication. In Idaho, for example, a 2-million-year-old clay figurine was unearthed in 1912. But even this discovery does not mark an outer limit. Bones, vertebrae and even complete skeletons have been found in Italy, Argentina and Kenya. Their minimum datings range from 3 million to 4 million years. A human skull, a partial human skeleton and a collection of neoliths discovered in California have been dated in excess of 5 million years. A human skeleton discovered at Midi in France, paleoliths found in Portugal, Burma and Argentina, a carved bone and flint flakes from Turkey all have a minimum age of 5 million years.
How far back can human history be pushed with discoveries like these? The answer seems to be a great deal further than orthodox science currently allows. As if the foregoing discoveries were not enough, we need to take account of:
* Paleoliths from France dated between 7 and 9 million years
* An eolith from India with a minimum dating of 9 million years
* Incised bones from France, Argentina and Kenya no less than 12 million years old
* More paleolith discoveries from France, dated at least 20 million years ago
* Neoliths from California in excess of 23 million years
* Three different kinds of paleoliths from Belgium with a minimum dating of 26 million years
* An anatomically modern human skeleton, neoliths and carved stones found at the Table Mountain, California and dated at least 33 million years ago
But even 33 million years is not the upper limit. A human skeleton found in Switzerland is estimated to be between 38 and 45 million years old. France has yielded up eoliths, paleoliths, cut wood and a chalk ball, the minimum ages of which range from 45 to 50 million years.
There's still more.
In 1960, H. L. Armstrong announced in Nature magazine the discovery of fossil human footprints near the Paluxy River, in Texas. Dinosaur footprints were found in the same strata. In 1983, the Moscow News reported the discovery of a fossilised human footprint next to the fossil footprint of a three-toed dinosaur in the Turkamen Republic. Dinosaurs have been extinct for approximately 65 million years.
In 1983, Professor W. G. Burroughs of Kentucky reported the discovery of three pairs of fossil tracks dated to 300 million years ago. They showed left and right footprints. Each print had five toes and a distinct arch. The toes were spread apart like those of a human used to walking barefoot. The foot curved back like a human foot to what appeared to be a human heel. There was a pair of prints in the series that showed a left and right foot. The distance between them is just what you'd expect in modern human footprints.
In December 1862, The Geologist carried news of a human skeleton found 27.5 m (90 ft) below the surface in a coal seam in Illinois. The seam was dated between 286 and 320 million years. It's true that a few eoliths, skull fragments and fossil footprints, however old, provide no real backing for the idea of advanced prehistoric human civilisations.
But some other discoveries do.
In 1968, an American fossil collector named William J. Meister found a fossilised human shoe print near Antelope Spring, Utah. There were trilobite fossils in the same stone, which means it was at least 245 million years old. Close examination showed that the sole of this shoe differed little, if at all, from those of shoes manufactured today.
In 1897, a carved stone showing multiple faces of an old man was found at a depth of 40 m (130 ft) in a coal mine in Iowa. The coal there was of similar age.
A piece of coal yielded up an encased iron cup in 1912. Frank J. Kenwood, who made the discovery, was so intrigued he traced the origin of the coal and discovered it came from the Wilburton Mine in Oklahoma. The coal there is about 312 million years old.
In 1844, Scottish physicist Sir David Brewster reported the discovery of a metal nail embedded in a sandstone block from a quarry in the north of England. The head was completely encased, ruling out the possibility that it had been driven in at some recent date. The block from which it came is approximately 360 million years old.
On 22 June 1844, The Times reported that a length of gold thread had been found by workmen embedded in stone close to the River Tweed. This stone too was around 360 million years old.
Astonishing though these dates may appear to anyone familiar with the orthodox theory of human origins, they pale in comparison with the dates of two further discoveries.
According to Scientific American, dated 5 June 1852, blasting activities at Meeting House Hill, in Dorchester, Massachusetts, unearthed a metallic, bell-shaped vessel extensively decorated with silver inlays of flowers and vines. The workmanship was described as 'exquisite'. The vessel was blown out of a bed of Roxbury conglomerate dated somewhat earlier than 600 million years.
In 1993, Michael A. Cremo and Richard L. Thompson reported the discovery 'over the past several decades' of hundreds of metallic spheres in a pyrophyllite mine in South Africa. The spheres are grooved and give the appearance of having been manufactured. If so, the strata in which they were found suggest they were manufactured 2.8 BILLION years ago.
What are we to make of these perplexing discoveries? They cannot simply be dismissed. If even ONE of these discoveries is TRUE (and I believe that MANY if not ALL of these discoveries are TRUE), then it changes EVERYTHING that modern mainstream anthropologists THOUGHT they knew about the human species.
@@Rishi123456789 "A human skull fragment from Hungary dated between 250,000 and 450,000 years ago"
What does that have to do with "complex human civilisations on Earth BILLIONS of years ago"?!?
And so on, and so on, etc. Your oldest example in the whole first paragraph 2 million years old. That's still 500 times shorter than even _one_ billion years! Can't you calculate? :D
"In Idaho, for example, a 2-million-year-old clay figurine was unearthed in 1912."
Where and when exactly was this published? How was the age determined? (And again, 2 million years is _still_ 500 times shorter than even _one_ billion years!
"Bones, vertebrae and even complete skeletons have been found in Italy, Argentina and Kenya. Their minimum datings range from 3 million to 4 million years. A human skull, a partial human skeleton and a collection of neoliths discovered in California have been dated in excess of 5 million years. A human skeleton discovered at Midi in France, paleoliths found in Portugal, Burma and Argentina, a carved bone and flint flakes from Turkey all have a minimum age of 5 million years."
Humans? Do you mean Homo sapiens? Or distant relatives, other hominids? (And 4 million years is _still_ 250 times shorter than even _one_ billion years!) And where are your sources for all these claims? (If you plan to say something like "google for yourself!", that will be taken as an admission that you simply made these claims up.)
"An anatomically modern human skeleton, neoliths and carved stones found at the Table Mountain, California and dated at least 33 million years ago. . A human skeleton found in Switzerland is estimated to be between 38 and 45 million years old. France has yielded up eoliths, paleoliths, cut wood and a chalk ball, the minimum ages of which range from 45 to 50 million years."
Again: Sources for these claims...? And again: All of this is _still_ shorter than even _one_ billion years. Shorter _by far_.
"In 1960, H. L. Armstrong announced in Nature magazine the discovery of fossil human footprints near the Paluxy River, in Texas"
Seriously?!? :D :D :D There are _still_ people around who believe in the Paluxy footprints?!? Even most creationists in the USA admit now that these aren't genuine!!! :D :D :D Get an education! And by the way: this was _never_ published in Nature.magazine, and especially not in 1960!!! Where did you get that from?!? Whoever told you this simply lied to you. Or did you make that up yourself?
"In 1993, Michael A. Cremo and Richard L. Thompson reported the discovery 'over the past several decades' of hundreds of metallic spheres in a pyrophyllite mine in South Africa. The spheres are grooved and give the appearance of having been manufactured."
And again: Source for that claim...? (And all of the others!)
"What are we to make of these perplexing discoveries? They cannot simply be dismissed."
Yes, they can, because obviously most of these are simply made up, i. e., these are lies.
"If even ONE of these discoveries is TRUE (and I believe that MANY if not ALL of these discoveries are TRUE), then it changes EVERYTHING that modern mainstream anthropologists THOUGHT they knew about the human species."
Wrong. Many of the discoveries you listed right at the beginning are totally unsurprising and would change essentially nothing.
Fishing is easier than farming, and hunting is faster than farming. Agriculture was probably very limited during the ice age, not because it did not happen, but because settlements probably settled next to area's that were already growing food. It was only when people had to uproot from a ocean that rose 300 ft, did we see agriculture out of need. When the sea would rise 3 feet every 100 years, that is centuries of packing up, backing up, resettling, only to do it again, for generations and generations.
All new discoveries threaten the 'competence' of the established 'experts' and are rapidly discarded as having 'no evidence.' Yet. One of the most powerful power bases in any culture is that of knowledge, and new discoveries - which do not comply with the 'understandings of the day' - must therefore be denied. The only real risk to anyone here is to the 'established domain' of archaeologists and theologists. Brian Cox, astronomer, astrophysicist - never says we 'know' anything ... he says "..our current understanding is ...", he never debunks new theories, or trashes new data, but says, "it doesn't fit the current model ..." A true scientist. Thanks for the update Mr Petrov.
Hearing the ALIEN music in the background at the starts always means its going to be agreat Petrov video🤣
Given how fast we know humans can innovate it is hard to believe we did nothing but throw pointy sticks for 200,000 years and then only in the last 12,000 years we started building with stone.
It’s more that there were less people to innovate large scale things for 200,000 years.
9:15 It seems that innovation wasn't really part of our makeup, I think (besides far fewer people to innovate and there are probably tipping points where reaching a certain state makes innovation more likely) that there might also have been some mutations in our DNA that made us more innovative.
It doesnt take many people with free time to think up lots of things. Its getting that free time that is hardish to do, so goes the idea of hunter gather vs agrarian. I find that poor reasoning. People had to figure out how, to figure out how to build the pyramids. Like we take for granted some very basic information. Levers, Pullyes with their 2:1 ratio per loop. 45* slope is the steepest, most stable an angle you can get in our gravity. And thats just to figure out the concept of moving a block and the end shape you want to end up with. Then you are fighting welp the one guy in 1000 who knew how to do one part of this died and he didnt have anyone to teach it to. Once writing came along that helped. Then once numbers came along it went even faster. This will blow your mind, some cultures even with math, did not have a concept of fractions. They understood 'half that thing' but did not have maths for it. Makes it hard to build things.
There's a lot of evidence humans were anatomically the same but not psychologically. There is zero evidence of art beyond about 100,000 years ago at most for example and there were several unexplained sudden changes in human group sizes and artifact types during that time period. One interesting theory is that humans lacked an instinct towards territoriality, which is an instinct that only emerges where food is plentiful but concentrated. That theory suggests this instinct evolved in south-east africa 80,000-95,000 years ago around shellfish deposits (think massive fields of oysters and clams covering every rock for a mile) since this is the area and time period we first see art and some major increases in group size.
Regardless, we have a shitton of artifacts and none are of an ancient advanced civilization. It would only take one metal tool to change that. Gold for instance would easily last unaffected by the elements to this day. Yet we find nothing.
I became convinced that there IS a recurring natural disaster resetting the human advance roughly every 12 thousand years. Mythology, legends, religious traditions ALL teach around the world that ours is the 5th advanced human civilization on Earth and the previous ones were destroyed by fire from the sky and gigantic floods.
Therefore this discovery is not a mystery but a new piece to the huge puzzle.
I believe our planet had a fair amount of civilisations wiped out in cataclysms that took place in the past million years. Some of those lost civilizations had a quite advanced scientific knowledge, machinery, flying vehicles and unimaginable deep understanding about life, consciousness, medicine (including genetic engineering), physics, math, space-time and probably lots of other stuff we haven't yet rediscovered, although we are really close to finding out some of it. Most of that knowledge and tech got wiped, eroded and got lost in time, like tears in the rain, trough the countless cyclical global cataclysms. All that remained were stories, fragments of texts stitched together by the very few survivors along with some heavily looted artefacts, some megalithic structures remains (some of which sadly were later destroyed by various religious extremists). The few people that survived in "that new world" rising from the cataclysmic rubble had a lesser understanding about science with each generation passed by, just because they were living in a definitely less technological world, literally turned to rubble, with vastly reduced or limited possibilities. The survivors and mostly their descendants told stories instead, about the greatness of the previous world, one that felt like a kingdom of god or like a heavenly place and believed that some of those old folks now dead, were magical mighty beings / gods. Oh, and they were, by being able to achieve all the unimaginable great pre cataclysmic stuff the stories told. In time, stories turned into legends, legends into myths, and myths into our current religions...
Yes, WE ARE the GODS from all these religious texts in existence today. Quite lobotomised, but We are the direct descendands of those mighty "magical" beings / gods from our myths and legends that all religions are heavily based on.
We are descendands of "humans" that most likely lived much longer by current standards and thrived in their pre cataclysmic golden age and we are very close on the path of rediscovering this fact!
We are Gods and It is time to take responsibility for this, and for all our current and future actions.
Thank you for attending my Ted talk. 😁
thanks for discussing this anton. i usually don't bother unless you've looked at it as so many sites love to sensationalize stories
i'd love it to be true for many of the same reasons you stated
I big problem is that many archaeologists are not geologists. That is why many stone formations are mistakenly labelled as man-made.
i am sure they use a multidisciplinary team also archeologist are not dumb
And vise versa 🔄
So this pyramid was built before Sundaland sank into the ocean…?
That was about 18,000 years ago… Just imagine what other ruins must be submerged in the shallow seas of SE Asia. I live rather near Gunung Padang - I hope to visit some day soon. It’s only about two hours journey to get there…
I remember seeing another video a couple years back saying Atlantis is actually here. Some where south of the gap between Java and Sumatra.
Did you miss Anton's point that this probably is _not_ a pyramid that was built, but simply a geological feature?
@@bjornfeuerbacher5514 Not me, Anton is confused. The pyramid's built over a natural geologic formation and hexagonal basalt rock which comprises the pyramid is naturally formed but moved from where they're formed to the pyramid site and used as construction material. Even establishment archeologists, who say the site is recent (yes the top layer is) admit that the natural basalt columns are used as construction material. The Great Pyramid of Egypt is ALSO built over a natural geologic formation.
@@danielch6662 - There's no such place as Atlantis - it was a metaphor created by Plato.
Problem is, archeologists typically refuse to listen to geologists. Not saying I know what it is.
One thing Pyramid theorists often seem to forget is that all modern examples of Pyramids or pyramid-like structures have been found in more or less flat land. The "pyramids" of Bosnia or here are in between other mountains, which dwarf them and would take away a lot of their direct impressiveness, making the sheer endeauvour to build them not worthwhile.
I’m quite sure that people have been building defensive mounds for a very long time. Much longer than 27,000 years. It would be cool if this is one of them.
A defensive mound what makes you say that?
Heresy. There is no funding that would support such a study to establish such a claim. Ergo, you are a fake news spreading heretic.
Just stick with what the commercial scientists tell you is true. Stop with all of that presumption that humans have always had the ability to modify their environment to survive.
Defensive mound lol this is megalithic structure not comparable to anything of that age.
The world is full of mounds built by ancient people for spiritual reasons. Even simple burial mounds which are all over Europe. And all the known big pyramids like those in Egypt, Mesoamerica, Nubia etc were made for spiritual and cultural reasons too.
You don't see too many "defensive mounds" around. For defense civilisations usually find natural hills and build forts and villages on top.
Smaller defensive mounds as are needed to protect from horizontal gunfire in modern warfare are irrelevant for the ancient world.
@@dfpguitar- Spears, arrows and bullets follow different trajectories, but the basic idea is the same. Among smaller groups it was closer to guerilla warfare though -- hit-and-run skirmishes, predawn raids, capturing members of a rival group, etc. Defensive emplacements only make sense if you're going to stay put for a while, and hunter-gatherers need to move around a lot; they go where the food is, instead of fencing the food in.
I am afraid some scientists just look for confirmation bias. They should be as open minded as you Anton.
There's so much evidence that the world is a mysterious place which is slowly giving ip its secrets. ❤
What do you even mean by “look for confirmation bias” - it’s part and parcel of the scientific method to check for bias in the work of yourself and others, and when you find it and deal with it - thats a good thing, not a problem. What scientists specifically are you talking about and in what case did they specifically engage in whatever it is you think you are talking about?
scientists? everything has been corrupted by money and power. We just went through years of the ultimate example.
This is the first YT video I've seen where the narrator actually pronounces Gunung Padang correctly. 👍👍👍
I think we were living in caves due to a worldwide cataclysm of some sort. I don’t believe we know what happened to cause it, yet. I just hope we can figure it out before we have to return to the caves. Thank you wonderful person. ✌🏼
It was pole shifts. It was kept secret because we are probably rolling up on another one soon.
It's nice to be in a time when the layers are being peeled away and the knowledge being updated, I for one am pleased as it shows there are still open minds.
I think that Oz Geographics team and Anton Petrov team, need to get together on this one.
I have to agree with the locals on this one. For one thing, the researcher is looking for something to prove him right, not evidence to discover what it is. It is the same as what others have done at other sites by ignoring evidence because it doesn't fit their theory, here he is claiming evidence when it is not clear either way.
Anton always so level headed. Thank you for being you - optimistic but logical. 👏🏼👏🏼
Just a small point the small people which were given the name as the Hobbit people were also on an Indonesian Island. Not sure if thats who you were refering to when you mentioned the small pigmy people in the Philippines
The Negrito are still around. No relation to the hobbit
@@christopherellis2663 I think this is what you're saying, but to clarify, the "hobbit people" were a different species from us, Homo floresiensis, who were probably directly descended from Homo erectus in Asia. Negritos are anatomically modern Homo sapiens just like us.
Homo floresiensis ~190,000-50,000 years ago.
Maybe, 1000 years ago my Javanese ancestor were recorded in history they were granted tax free land & monopoly of the twin & dwarf people that as a must have sacrificial in king coronation ritual, i don't know if the dwarf was related to the Hobbit.
Homo floresiensis were nicknamed the Hobbits by some
@@christopherellis2663
It's so tragic that hundreds of thousands of years of human history has been erased. We can dig all we want, but most of everything that happened is lost to the ravages of time.
Our ancestor species and our extinct cousins all controlled fire, made tools, had languages and cultures. They made art, sang songs, and passed their stories down through unknowns numbers of generations.
And perhaps they made cities and built ancient wonders, too.
But we may never know. Most of it has been reduced to dust.
Even your own life will be completely forgotten within a 100 years or so meaning it's nothing unusual.
I am a Hindu and according to ancient Hindu scriptures, humans are BILLIONS of years old and are NOT NATIVE to Earth. Here is merely SOME evidence suggesting not only a human presence on Earth BILLIONS of years ago, but also suggesting complex human civilisations on Earth BILLIONS of years ago:
* A human skull fragment from Hungary dated between 250,000 and 450,000 years ago
* A human footprint with accompanying paleoliths (stones deliberately chipped into a recognisable tool type), bone tools, hearths and shelters, discovered in France and dated 300,000 to 400,000 years
* Paleoliths in Spain, a partial human skeleton and paleoliths in France; two English skeletons, one with associated paleoliths, ALL at least 300,000 years old
* Skull fragments and paleoliths in Kenya and advanced paleoliths, of modern human manufacture, in the Olduvai Gorge in Tanzania, dated between 400,000 and 700,000 years
* Neoliths (the most advanced stone tools and utensils) in China of a type that indicate full human capacity, dated to 600,000 years
* Hearths, charcoal, human femurs and broken animal bones, all denoting modern humanity, in Java, dated to 830,000 years
* An anatomically modern human skull discovered in Argentina and dated between 1 million and 1.5 million years (eoliths, which are chipped pebbles thought to be the earliest known tools, at Monte Hermoso, also in Argentina, are believed to be between 1 and 2.5 million years old).
* A human tooth from Java yielding a date between 1 and 1.9 million years
* Incised bones, dated between 1.2 and 2.5 million years, have been found in Italy
* Discoveries of paleoliths, cut and charred bones at Xihoudu in China and eoliths from Diring Yurlakh in Siberia dated to 1.8 million years
* Eoliths in India, paleoliths in England, Belgium, Italy and Argentina, flint blades in Italy, hearths in Argentina, a carved shell, pierced teeth and even two human jaws all bearing a minimum date of 2 million years
Curiously enough, several of the very earliest artifact discoveries display a truly extraordinary level of sophistication. In Idaho, for example, a 2-million-year-old clay figurine was unearthed in 1912. But even this discovery does not mark an outer limit. Bones, vertebrae and even complete skeletons have been found in Italy, Argentina and Kenya. Their minimum datings range from 3 million to 4 million years. A human skull, a partial human skeleton and a collection of neoliths discovered in California have been dated in excess of 5 million years. A human skeleton discovered at Midi in France, paleoliths found in Portugal, Burma and Argentina, a carved bone and flint flakes from Turkey all have a minimum age of 5 million years.
How far back can human history be pushed with discoveries like these? The answer seems to be a great deal further than orthodox science currently allows. As if the foregoing discoveries were not enough, we need to take account of:
* Paleoliths from France dated between 7 and 9 million years
* An eolith from India with a minimum dating of 9 million years
* Incised bones from France, Argentina and Kenya no less than 12 million years old
* More paleolith discoveries from France, dated at least 20 million years ago
* Neoliths from California in excess of 23 million years
* Three different kinds of paleoliths from Belgium with a minimum dating of 26 million years
* An anatomically modern human skeleton, neoliths and carved stones found at the Table Mountain, California and dated at least 33 million years ago
But even 33 million years is not the upper limit. A human skeleton found in Switzerland is estimated to be between 38 and 45 million years old. France has yielded up eoliths, paleoliths, cut wood and a chalk ball, the minimum ages of which range from 45 to 50 million years.
There's still more.
In 1960, H. L. Armstrong announced in Nature magazine the discovery of fossil human footprints near the Paluxy River, in Texas. Dinosaur footprints were found in the same strata. In 1983, the Moscow News reported the discovery of a fossilised human footprint next to the fossil footprint of a three-toed dinosaur in the Turkamen Republic. Dinosaurs have been extinct for approximately 65 million years.
In 1983, Professor W. G. Burroughs of Kentucky reported the discovery of three pairs of fossil tracks dated to 300 million years ago. They showed left and right footprints. Each print had five toes and a distinct arch. The toes were spread apart like those of a human used to walking barefoot. The foot curved back like a human foot to what appeared to be a human heel. There was a pair of prints in the series that showed a left and right foot. The distance between them is just what you'd expect in modern human footprints.
In December 1862, The Geologist carried news of a human skeleton found 27.5 m (90 ft) below the surface in a coal seam in Illinois. The seam was dated between 286 and 320 million years. It's true that a few eoliths, skull fragments and fossil footprints, however old, provide no real backing for the idea of advanced prehistoric human civilisations.
But some other discoveries do.
In 1968, an American fossil collector named William J. Meister found a fossilised human shoe print near Antelope Spring, Utah. There were trilobite fossils in the same stone, which means it was at least 245 million years old. Close examination showed that the sole of this shoe differed little, if at all, from those of shoes manufactured today.
In 1897, a carved stone showing multiple faces of an old man was found at a depth of 40 m (130 ft) in a coal mine in Iowa. The coal there was of similar age.
A piece of coal yielded up an encased iron cup in 1912. Frank J. Kenwood, who made the discovery, was so intrigued he traced the origin of the coal and discovered it came from the Wilburton Mine in Oklahoma. The coal there is about 312 million years old.
In 1844, Scottish physicist Sir David Brewster reported the discovery of a metal nail embedded in a sandstone block from a quarry in the north of England. The head was completely encased, ruling out the possibility that it had been driven in at some recent date. The block from which it came is approximately 360 million years old.
On 22 June 1844, The Times reported that a length of gold thread had been found by workmen embedded in stone close to the River Tweed. This stone too was around 360 million years old.
Astonishing though these dates may appear to anyone familiar with the orthodox theory of human origins, they pale in comparison with the dates of two further discoveries.
According to Scientific American, dated 5 June 1852, blasting activities at Meeting House Hill, in Dorchester, Massachusetts, unearthed a metallic, bell-shaped vessel extensively decorated with silver inlays of flowers and vines. The workmanship was described as 'exquisite'. The vessel was blown out of a bed of Roxbury conglomerate dated somewhat earlier than 600 million years.
In 1993, Michael A. Cremo and Richard L. Thompson reported the discovery 'over the past several decades' of hundreds of metallic spheres in a pyrophyllite mine in South Africa. The spheres are grooved and give the appearance of having been manufactured. If so, the strata in which they were found suggest they were manufactured 2.8 BILLION years ago.
What are we to make of these perplexing discoveries? They cannot simply be dismissed. If even ONE of these discoveries is TRUE (and I believe that MANY if not ALL of these discoveries are TRUE), then it changes EVERYTHING that modern mainstream anthropologists THOUGHT they knew about the human species.
@@Rishi123456789 It never fails to make me laugh that the same people who "follow the science" and say "respect all cultures" do exactly the opposite. They discount any and all evidence which contradicts their prescribed views and mock the traditions of ancient peoples and religions as "nonsense". The age is changing and enlightenment is coming, my friend.
@@NotKelloggsCornflakes I completely agree with you, other me. I'm not anti-science, I'm anti-scientism. I reject both "only my book has all the answers" religion AND "it's not real if we can't perceive it and replicate it in laboratories and have repeatability on demand" science equally, for both are based on fundamentally false premises.
The thing is this, you ask people "How do you know X?" and they'll probably reply by saying something like "Well, because it's in my science books." or "Well, because it's been peer-reviewed." or "Well, because it's been agreed upon by a majority of scientists.", but these are flimsy defences, because unless YOU can verify for yourself whether something is true or not either by OBSERVATION or by doing an experiment about it BY YOURSELF, you are relying essentially on external sources for your information and it is naïve to think that those sources don't have agendas.
What the average person calls 'science' (which is actually just mainstream science) has been hijacked by politics, religion and corporations. So-called 'peer review' these days is usually nothing more than a circle-jerk. Just as people support the separation of church and state (and RIGHTFULLY so), I support the separation of SCIENCE and state. We owe it to our innate intelligence to QUESTION EVERYTHING and that includes EVERYTHING that I tell you!
If you politicise science, you kill the spirit of science (which is to question things).
Most so-called 'scientists' today don't know their ass from their elbow and just unquestioningly repeat what their textbooks tell them to repeat.
@@NotKelloggsCornflakes I admire your open-mindedness, other me. They are obsessed with suppressing our sense of the possible - one of the ways they accomplish this is by restricting our access to correct information. They are hoarding knowledge of TRUE history, TRUE geology, TRUE astronomy, TRUE health, TRUE physics, etc. and, most importantly of all, knowledge of the TRUE nature of 'reality' itself while teaching a false, incomplete and distorted version of those subjects to the general public, who usually unquestioningly accept all of it. To anyone who dismisses anything that I post as being 'crazy', just remember that all it takes to suppress a person's sense of the possible is to restrict his or her access to correct information. Simple as that. Don't let others dictate to you what can and 'cannot' be done, what is 'real' and 'unreal' and what is possible and 'impossible'. You can do ANYTHING YOU WANT TO DO and you can be ANYONE YOU WANT TO BE, while still facing the karmic consequences of your actions. People are AWAKENING to a MORE EXPANDED CONCEPTION of the world and life in general and this is a PROFOUNDLY GOOD THING. We owe it to our innate intelligence to QUESTION EVERYTHING and that includes EVERYTHING that I tell you. There are two things that they do not want you to know above all else:
1. That who and what we ALL really are is Pure Consciousness, which is INFINITE AND ETERNAL, experiencing life in a temporary human form (you can call Pure Consciousness 'God' if you want, but I don't, because the word 'God' has limiting religious connotations that I would rather avoid).
2. That what we call 'reality' is ILLUSORY and therefore MALLEABLE, which means that NOTHING is impossible (indeed, even the word 'impossible' itself literally says "I'm possible!").
The righteous will inherit the Earth and beyond, other me. Have faith in that. And sharpen your sword until that day comes. We have the power to transform this prison illusion into a PARADISE ILLUSION, so let's USE that power!
Mathew Lacroix, Graham Hancock, Randall Carlson, and Michael Tellinger from south Africa all say the civilization is way older
NDGT explain this succinctly as: a pyramid is the exact building shape that will erode with time but remain a 'pyramid' throughout, and due to its mass and size will remain a 'pyramid' for thousands of years easily. Is it easy to design one? Well give a toddler some blocks and would you look at that. Mind blown!
Imagine all of the wooden structures taken by nature. . . Bridges, etc
what do you mean about that statement?
@@TheRepainI think their comment is obvious. What lasts longer, wood or stone? 🤔
Ancient people almost certainly had wooden constructions as well, that have long withered away. Stone lasts way longer though...
@@southernflatlandAnd buried wood?
Anton, You are a professional and excellent communicator. Thanks!👍🏻🇺🇸
Graham states over and over that he a author and journalist by trade. He is an enthusiast on many levels. Why there is so much hate on such a positive open minded theorists blows my mind!
Great presentation of the facts without the hype but always with a little wonder on what could be possible. Keep up the great work Anton!
The Brewarrina fish traps in Northern NSW are 40,000yo, built by the local Kamilaroi, Kamu and Paarkinlji people.
Thank you, I did not know until you taught me. :)
THANK YOU I WILL LOOK THIS UP I AM INTERESTED IN THIS STUFF GUESS MAYBE? BECAUSE A FAMILY MEMBER WORKED ARCHEOLOGICAL SITES ASIDE FROM HIS REG JOB SOME OF US AREN'T INTERESTED I AM I THINK WE CAN LEARN FROM THE PAST
This is false. Here is what wikipedia has to say (check yourself for better sources)
"It has been suggested that these fish traps may be the oldest human construction in the world. The age of the fish traps is currently unknown.
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An indication of when the Brewarrina fish traps were constructed may possibly be gauged by considering changes in the flow of the Barwon River. Construction of the fish traps would only have worked if low water levels were relatively frequent and regular in the river. Evidence from the lower Darling River indicates that during the past 50,000 years prolonged periods of low flow occurred between 15,000 and 9,000 years ago, and then from about 3,000 years ago up until the present time. Whether or not these dates also apply to low flow periods in the Barwon River is currently unknown."
Unfortunately, the exact age of the Brewarrina fish traps remains unknown. This lack of certainty stems from the difficulty in dating such ancient structures built from natural materials. However, various estimations and suggestions offer insights into their potential age:
Estimated age:
40,000 years: This estimate is found in some tourist information resources and museums like the Brewarrina Aboriginal Cultural Museum. However, it lacks concrete archaeological evidence.
1,000 to 3,000 years: This estimate comes from archaeological research conducted by Dr. Richard Wright. He compared the Brewarrina fish traps to other similar structures in New South Wales and suggests a younger age range.
@@HippopotamusPencil You believe wikipedia...Now that's funny!
Thanks for your anazing work Anton. I love putting your videos on in the background and just learning
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exploring mysteries has to be one of the greatest joys
I think the oldest civilization which is still living like how they lived 1000s of years ago are the North sentinels in the indian ocean
“Culture” not “civilization”
@@carolgebert7833 Unimportant play on words, just because they exist it doesn't mean that more advanced populations like us didn't exist.
Graham Hancock was absolutely livid that the scientific community wanted nothing to do with this dig site. Whatever discoveries present themself should at least recognize Hancock for being the one who made it happen
Irrespective of whether this does turn out to be a pyramid or not, which will no doubt emerge from further intensive study, I would suggest not using the term "ancient civilisation", as that implies city dwelling.
"Ancient Culture" would be a much better label to apply to it for now, unless actual evidence of city dwelling emerges.
And yeah - my first gut feeling was and remains that this is geologic in nature.
I should point out that the establishment has destroyed many archeologists careers who have been pushing the timeline for humans back thousands of years.
Its true. I always have to wonder why.
They're still sore about the clovis maxim going up in smoke(footprints) 😂
@@AquaFyrrefound the establishment
@@AquaFyrreIf you don't give your work a neo-marxist slant and adhere to faculty lounge politics, you don't get peer viewed at all? Just like the rest of academia? Have you seen what the presidents of Harvard, MIT, and UPENN said in congress yesterday? Science and academia ain't what it used to be. It is a #$%^ing disgrace.
@@AquaFyrrePeer review in itself can hinder & stop people going down alternative avenues. It has its positives & negatives.
Always love way of objectively looking for the evidence. Very interesting, thank you.
I studied geography/geology and my first thought seeing the diagrams and images was "that is a volcano, not a pyramid!" It is almost a textbook example of an eroded volcano and then at 5:40 he agrees...
A perfect example of the need for interdisciplinary exchanges. Don't assume something but ask for the opinions of other experts first
Retraction watch -
"Controversial pyramid paper retracted when authors turn out to have radiocarbon-dated nearby dirt".
Bdw, there are at least two sites older than Gobekli Tepe in that area.
Anyway, great topic and content as always, Anton. 👍
If that structure is a cinder cone or some other volcanic feature it's interesting that it would become a sacred place where people build on top of. There are many sacred volcanoes but people don't tend to build on them for obvious reasons, in fact most are a taboo kind of sacred place.
So it could be that this feature erupted once in the past ten thousand years which would be unusual for Indonesia, or it could be that it erupted fairly often, in which case you wouldn't build there. There must have been a very deep cultural memory for people to go back there potentially up to 18 millennia later and build a pyramid.
It's not impossible to get a bunch of people together to build a pyramid even without stone tools. The stones look small enough to carry and all you need for a bigger rock is a few people and some rope, which can be made with just hands and teeth. You can talk about division of labor and such but a project like that could take years and it's unlikely to have been done without agriculture.
The local people might still have some cultural attachment to the pyramid and that would be helpful to know about.
There is a misconception in your thesis, which is that people will avoid building on and around an active volcano. All the major Javanese volcanos actually preserve multiple layers of habitation around them. There are layers of buried temple complexes at the foot of Merapi volcano (one of the most active in the world), some being dated to within half a century of the preceding layer.
People simply continued coming back to the same place in-between eruptions to build and rebuild temple complexes at the same place, sometimes within living memory of the destruction of the previous ones.
Even today people still do this. There was a mystic living on Merapi who was believed by locals to have been the "keyholder" of the mountain. His family had been doing this "job" for many years and he came to national prominence in 2006 when he and a few families of his followers refused to leave the volcano after the government issued an evacuation order. That time his house got wrecked and he caught burns across half of his body. Well, by 2008 the house had been rebuilt and MORE people had moved in around it, drawn by his supposed mystical powers because in 2006 only he got injured. All his followers survived with minor scratches and burns. In 2010 Merapi erupted again and this time wiped out the community, including the mystic.
Well, guess what? In 2013 Merapi erupted again and people found out that the community had rebuilt itself and was once again refusing to evacuate. Merapi erupted again this year, so I looked around in the webz to find out whether these people were still around. Yep. Still there.
@@andrewsuryali8540 That is very interesting. I did mean global trends but did not know that it was done in the same region. That could be a very old cultural phenomenon that connects them with this pyramid but also people do build near volcanoes when they lose the memory of how dangerous they are due to the great farmland (e.g. Naples). That and home is home wherever it is would explain people rebuilding on very active volcanic systems.
Perhaps I'm wrong and there's a different reason why this pyramid or "pyramid" was built on. We'll find out in time. Alternating layers of pyramid and tephra would be an interesting semi-natural parallel to Mesoamerican pyramid building. To be clear I don't think that the core structure was built by people. A culture that could build a pyramid 27,000 years ago would surely show up all over the archaeological record of the region and it would be a hell of a dark age before the next one would be built. Thanks for the information about Marapi and its mystics. That'll be good to read about.
@@andrewsuryali8540 the key word is "around them" and NOT "on top of them"
@@SAOS451316 The "pyramid" is bogus. Or at least the dating is. What the structure is is a cinder cone that people have unintentionally shaped over a very long period of time into something that sort of looks like a pyramid if you squint enough. Then the latest bunch of people realized that, hey, this sort-of-regularly-shaped giant structure looks like the perfect place to build something on, and built a bunch of surface structures that gave the whole place it's pyramidy final looks.
@@elenabob4953 No, literally ON them. Didn't you read that whole part about the mystic and his followers? They were living right next to the peak. What's crazier is that there's a regular market around 100 meters from the compound and the local merchants have no connection to the mystic. They just set up shop there because there are people around to trade with - villagers and tourists.
The way you talk about the movie-like existence of our past and how it’s depicted in lord of the rings made me feel like a kid in wonder ❤
This is not very surprising considering that the Valmiki Ramayana describes a catastrophic event in which the sun was clouded by smoke emanating from the East of India which has a very high similarity to the Toba explosion that happened 74000 years ago. Considering that written record of a pre-historic geological event has persisted into scriptures of Ancient Hindu Civilization, a 27000 year old structure is more or less in agreement with the traditional timeline of the Hindu Civilization according to Hindu scriptures that is 100,000 years. It won't be very surprising if the said structure found is Hindu in its origin.
The people that were living in caves there 9,000 to 12,000 yrs ago were living in caves cuz they were the ancestral survivors of the civilization that was decimated in a cataclysm that took place before then. It has become glaringly obvious to those that have done research and aren't totally close minded that we as a species have been around much much longer than what we were led to believe. The evidence is all over the planet and overwhelming, much of it being intentionally hidden and surpressed. Our ancestors have been trying to show and tell us for eons, but cuz it's frightening and doesn't fit what certain people want to believe they label it as mythology, or stories. We live on a planet that goes thru cyclical disasters and shifting, but our leaders don't want us to know that we our living on borrowed time or that we are a genetically engineered slave species only created and altered to do the labor of those that were here before us. Wake up and stop believing all that you were spoon fed to believe and the lies they taught us in school. Lies that were written by those without the proper equipment to know what we have since learned in the past couple decades with today's scientifically advanced equipment. It's all out to learn if you search for it, open your mind and eyes, and look and think for yourself.
You should really look at the source material for things. I assume you're going on about the annunaki or something similar?
This has been an argument for some time. I am glad they FINALLY let them dig.
Digging more would have been nice. Now I'm waiting for the drilling into the hollows shown on the scans
Gobekli Tepe is likely a bit older. You see, the site was inhabited for a few thousand years likely. And you can see how it slowly went from primitive building methods, to the latter advanced ones.
There's also numerous other sites in the area like Karahan Tepe which are of similar age, many not yet excavated (and some will likely be fully or partially left so for future generations with better tech.
We know that they were not hunter gatherers, or using agriculture. But they were midway through domestication and were actually a transitioning society that relied on both!
The thing is the zone was/is very techtonically active. The site kept getting buried. Eventually it got so bad they abandoned it.
What happened to them after this though is unknown. We know they went extinct though. Their genes aren't found in any modern society. And they already to have disappeared very quickly afaik. Sadly this is the risk of innovation and early adoption.
Another reason for Tepe was likely the lack of other materials like trees etc. Why build out of stone when you have a much simpler material? Let's remember wood was extremely expensive in ancient Egypt as it had to be imported, while since was available on-site.
I am sure now there must have been many other sites and attempts. Because let's remember the Tepes were only preserved due to a combination of techtonic activity burying it rapidly, and it being in a place that was not later developed (which is very common, because it turns out humans keep selecting similar places that are easy to defend, have a lot of fertile land, access to running water, etc).
The only trouble with even older sites than say 15k, is the lack of agriculture and the global climate. And if partial agriculture existed - or perhaps resources were so abundant they had spare time to build (but again this was during very cold times) - I think there's still the problem of how these structures survived so well. I hope this is right and we start finding more.
The Hancock ideas are still bullshit and absurd. But if humans have really been mostly similar for the past 70k years (and we have poor genetic diversity to back this up) - then surely for those 70k years so so many of them humans have been thinking of building larger structures, even if just for practical reasons. We do have to also remember the populations for much of this were low to stupidly low (e.g. dropping up a few thousand people). And all other hominids went extinct.
I also wonder if Neanderthals thought about this and maybe made some things. Then again, while clearly artistic and intelligent - they seemed much more risk averse.
I also wonder why no one seemingly thought of anything in the 180k-230k before the 70k mark. Maybe the theory that the bottleneck 70k years ago really did select for more abstract thinking instead of traditional animal like thinning.
Some dates:
c. 20,000 BC Sun enters an emission nebula, a remnant leftover from sun/planet creation far away, around 20,000 AD we will leave it. Since we are inside of it, it is hard to see the nebula.
c. 18,000 BC recent Glacial Maximum. Humans first evidence inhabit Sardinia/Corsica (all one island at the time due to low water levels).
c. 15,000 BC humans re-enter Americas, also vast Missoula lake intermittently floods over the next 2000 years forming the Columbia river basin.
c. 13,000 BC Earliest Pottery found invented in Sechwan, China, later lost with the culture. It will be invented again after loss.
c. 12,000 BC Older Dryas - chilly weather world wide event caused droughts & turned European forests into tundra. Several possible causes, including: c. 12,500 BC Glacial lake Bonneville breaks ice dam in north America, flooding creates the Snake river basin.
c. 12,500 BC Due to variation in Earth’s orbit, the African Humid Period starts, changing into green Sahara and green Arabia until 5,000 - 4,000 BC.
12,300 BC the upper atmosphere is bombarded by an unusually strong radiative event that causes a spike in the carbon 14 and beryllium isotope production, cause is uncertain but it is outside solar system.
c. 11,000 BC beginning of recent Glacial retreat period & Neolithic period begins with farming, herding. Humans re-settle Scandinavia, Great Britain, north east Russia & by 6000 BC Ireland as the ice retreats.
c. 10,000 BC Younger Dryas - chilly weather world wide event froze Europe & caused droughts (possibly caused by volcanism, or by the melting ice dam flood of vast glacial lake Agassiz/Ojibwa in N. America through the Mackenzie river system that disrupted the Gulf Steam.) Also last European saber tooth tiger & woolly rhino die. Genetic mutation in Ukraine, first time humans are not brown eyed - blue, green, gray, hazel, etc.
Also Earth begins it’s precession (wobble) from the north hemisphere facing closest to the sun, to the south as part of the 20,000 yr Milankovitch cycle; which will melt the glacial ice and dry up Sahara. First effect of melting is the separation of Japan from Korea as oceans rise. Also Beringa land bridge between Asia and North America floods, future migration (Eskimos and Aleuts) will be by boat.
c. 10,000 BC Tell Qaramel (Syria) town with 5 tower like buildings. Also 1-2 million people on earth!
c. 10,000?? BC Tunguska like meteor hits Atacama desert in Chile (then forested).
c. 9,700 BC A meteor hits and destroyed Tell Abu Hureyra (Syria) a settlement where farming may also have begun.
c.9100 BC - c7300 BC Göbekli Tepe, Boncuklu Tarla, Karahan Tepe (all in Turkey) oldest megalith circle sites/religious temples built by hunter/gatherers villagers, buried in c7300 BC; & Jerf El Ahmar (N Syria but flooded by dam) religious ? site. Also short-faced bear goes extinct in America. Ocean is much lower - Great Britain and Ireland attached to Europe plus (North Sea)/Doggerland, Baltic & Black seas were brackish lakes, smaller Adriatic and Persian Gulf were ½ land, Melting glaciers are still in all over Scandinavia, part of Scotland, central Ireland, and Russia. Egyptian coast was further out to sea. Much of Indonesia was dry land connected to Asia, Ceylon was connect to India. Sahara and Arabia are green savanna with rivers and lakes.
c. 8500 BC Nevalı Çori, (Turkey) settlement religious monuments [also Gudang Padang Megalithic Site (Indonesia) possibly? built, some claim earlier]. World temperatures rise to near modern levels, slowly oceans rise, glaciers retreat more. The freshwater Ancylus Lake (forerunner of Baltic) connects to North Sea. Forests creep up into N Europe & Russia previously tundra areas, reducing population there used to tundra. Humans inhabit Cyprus. Also dwarf mammoths of Crete go extinct.
c. 8000 BC Jericho (Israel) early human city with tower & walled with stone tools by the pre-pottery Natufian culture, agriculture “starts” in Mid East with first wheat farming. (Did religion start city building or vice versa?) Humans settle Tierra del Fuego, covering the Americas.
Also finally 3-5 million people on whole Earth! Whee!
Homo Sapiens is 300 000 years old according to newest data and finds.
@@Tonixxy It's an arbitrary disginguishment anyway. It's not like there's a sudden line in the sane where we turn into our species. E.g. if it was 200,000 years ago, we wouldn't be saying homo sapiens at 50k or 100k years old.
@@lost4468yt we literally have era names like stone age and iron age according to the development?
Also oldest proved iron smelting is on the Balkans 8000BC old
@@Tonixxy What does that have to do with what you said in your first comment? Your first comment was about the age of our species? As I said, the age of a species is virtually always an arbitrary point. Species don't exist in nature, they're human classifications, hence the lines where they're drawn are arbitrary.
There still isn't a good agreement on what classifies something as a different species vs being part of the same species. There has been a ton of definitions historically, and there's multiple definitions in play still.
300,000 years ago, was there two individuals who were not our species, but their child was a member of our species? No of course not, that's not how it works.
The thing about smart people is there aren't really that many of them, which leads them to being ridiculed because they can challenge the accepted norm
There is a principle in Palaeontology and Archaeology called the Principle of Minimum Astonishment, which means that the more prosaic and least remarkable theory which adequately explains something is usually the right one. The site is volcanic and the blocks are shattered basaltic columns similar to the ones on the Giant's Causeway, whch are stll upright. Such columns are commonplace in volcanic locations. It is not beyond possibility that thousands of years ago humans built a few unambitious structures with these columns and shifted them around, but nothing as grand as a pyramid. Pyramids have to be built very methodically, otherwise they have a tendency to collapse in a sort of land slide, especially the larger ones.
I was talking to the locals on nusa penida about why they do not farm on all of the flat terraces along the mountain tops. they explained that the structures had already existed when their ancestors arrived and believe they are haunted.
That's because the current locals in Nusa Penida came from Java, whereas the original inhabitants retreated back into Lombok (where they originally came from).
@@andrewsuryali8540 I don't know if that's completely accurate. Lombok is majority Muslim, and nusa penida has temples that are a mix of Hindu and Buddhist. the locals claim the temples predate the people. although I was told that bali used the Island as a penal colony for the dark wizard
@@danielroberts2012 Lombok people weren't always Muslim. Originally they were a mix of shamanistic peoples with a sprinkling of Hindu-Buddhist influence. The conversion of the Lombok people into Islam came about as a result of two invasions (also by Javanese people - but Muslims) in the 16th century. The ruins of Nusa Penida came from before this invasion.
@@andrewsuryali8540 that makes sense, I always love talking to the locals about their history when I go to the island. I feel like this is a region that will eventually be forgotten to time
9:23 these are my people. Just to clarify, a lot of us have been displaced and disconnected from the culture largely because the Khoi and San languages have been killed off (hence my English)... I find these ancient discoveries amazing. I know there are no confirmations and archeologists always jump to "natural formations", but I like entertaining the possibility lol.
Thank you for always bring this info to all of us Anton!
We will never have evidence of ancient advanced civilizations. And i have a feeling you already know why, Anton.
Archeology has grossly misdated many of the Pyramids and the Sphinx in Egypt.
The Sphinx is at least 12,500 years old and the Pyramids are about the same age. They were not built by the Egyptians they were already built when the Egyptians found them.
Why all Archeologists lie about the age of things and our true history is the biggest mystery of them all!!
Looks like old columnar basalt remnants later covered and encased in volcanic ash, that itself degraded into soil. However, those 4-sided stones stacked together were interesting, usually they form with the 5 and 6-sided columns, so it appears they were removed and sorted into the stack; but by whom, the discoverers or alleged paleo-tribe?
That'd be pretty cool if it's ever verified (and I'd love for it to be real), but I'll remain skeptical for now.
But will it ever be verified? I'm still waiting for confirmation of the Yonaguni underwater ruins, but like we usually see with possible pre-historic ruins, the older they seem to be the less likelihood you'll ever see any effort put forward to confirm anything about them, strangely.
@@jasonburris334 The Yonaguni "ruin" are natural rock formations. Not sure what more confirmation you need unless you just won't accept that.
@@jasonburris334 It's definitely strange since either A. it's not a real archaeological site or B. tens of thousand of people that dedicate themselves to learning about humanity's past out of actual passion for the subject would collectively be so incompetent as to fail to discover this civilization and then deny its existence in favor of dogma when actually proving it with evidence would be the find of the millennium for the field.
I'm going to go with A. since I'm not a moron.
Peer reviewed study would suffice@@GrimJackal
The mainstream archeologists refused to check that site out because "it is a natural formation" so there is nothing to be checked out. Now that something was found by non mainstream archeologists they keep saying "ohh but it is not that old". That is a clownish behavior.
There's so much we don't know about beyond around 5000 years ago, that speculation about the origins of ancient architecture is almost meaningless. Unless something definitive appears to tell us the story of the past, we may as well throw it all in a file marked 'pre-history'.
What most people don't understand about the last glacial period is that it was not a snowball earth event. Around the equator there was a temperate band where civilizations could easily have been raising and falling during the entire period. Too bad a lot of that is now underwater. And most other sites have been limited to the biblical age of ~6.000 years.
Hilarious enough the site Gunung Padang is actually on Graham Hancocks first episode on his ancient apocalypse series on Netflix. While I do hold Graham under somewhat heavy scrutiny for his tendencies of confirmation bias without solid irrefutable evidence, it seems as though he might be right in his inference that the structures at Padang are vastly older than previously assumed.
They literally dated dirt at the depth of an empty magma chamber in the extinct volcano the site is built on. There's zero evidence of a structure down there. What they did was no better than detecting a cavity under your house, dating the dirt to 50,000 years and then saying your house is a 50,000 year old pyramid.
Potholer54 (on YT) covered this a while back. Yeah, it's rubbish.