New Transalp XL 750 - A bit too Honda?
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Honda’s Transalp returns but why don’t I like it?
Apparently, the mountains are calling. The 1980’s Honda Transalp has matured into a 90hp, 750cc adventure bike and priced at around £9,000 or 10,400 Euros, it’ll sell in bucket loads - But I just can’t put my finger on why it’s not for me…..
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Transalps were never marketed as rally bikes, just all round machines that are capable off road and good on it. And this one I believe will excel on this role.
Agree. It’s a newer transalp. That’s all. And who knows, maybe they’ll give it a rally-esque treatment later. Like a “world raid” kit. What it’s not, is a 450RL moved up to adventure bike. Have to judge this bike based on what it is. Not what it isn’t.
Exactly. I don't know why people were expecting a T7 killer.
The 1999-2007 Transalp 650 had a 21” front and 200 mm ground clearance it was about 20kg heavier and made 52 hp.
The 700 was heavier 19” front and 180 mm of ground clearance.
I think this bike will be fantastic for its intended purpose.
I had an early 650, great bike but lacked power.
I have a 1990 transalp 600. Is the same concept that the new transalp. Transalp being transalp. No surprise for me
I think if comparing it to the original transalp it looks OK. Don't know why people were expecting so much. The last 700 TA was 217kg had 57hp and a 19" front wheel I like the first 600 version with the old square headlight
😲 The Transalp 600/650/700 was LESS dirt oriented than this one! Blasphemy I say! 😉
This is a true all rounder replacement for the superb 600, not some bike your dreams ;-) My prediction is it will prove to be the real World replacement and Honda bulletproof all rounder it was meant to be.... and dare I say, you may well warm to it 🙂 Once the Boano type fabricators get the fibreglass going I'm sure they'll have a snazzy kit to pacify the Dakar sticker type guys 🙂 HEY 90 plus bhp... goodbye T7's. Thanks for your content and a place to air our views. All the best, Wayne
It is just the 1st version... Give them some time and I would bet they offer what you are asking for. I personally love what I see so far and will consider exchanging my 2018 ATAS for one. I would lose ground clearance and suspension travel but get a bike that is roughly 100lbs lighter and has a better power to weight ratio. Although many 'say' they want an off-road version, how many would actually take it on aggressive trails??
10% of users would actually use it's full potential anyways.... If you want to do aggressive trail riding get a 450 instead:/
I would.
Legend has it that the Transalp front end is an homage to their leading Honda XR650 bike ridden by Jun MItsuhashi at the 2003 Dakar.
I thought you would be more excited. When I heard of the launch, I immediately thought of you and your prior video. Hopefully it will be better than you expect.
I think they placed it quite well between the cb500x and the Africa Twin. I also think the nailed the looks, just the right amount of retro and modern. The specs are phenomenal if the price is actually about what's being said. Love the 18'' and 21" wheels!
Looks great to me, The T7 in person looks a bit too tall. The Transalp was always meant to be a lower riding bike with still decent clearance. with a few aftermarket parts the Transalp may end up being the better suited bike for some. This will get you around the world no problem
Look, people just want a reasonably priced midsized adventure bike that doesn't have shit reliability, this checks the boxes for most people who aren't offroad warriors anyway
I have to say, I think it will be a blast! I agree with many of your points, but I am looking for just such a bike...it has its audience. I do however wish it had cruise control--that is a must! Thanks for the video. New sub!
Agreed - if they are going to ruin it with all that RBW rubbish, they could at least put cruise control on it.
How many bikes come out with cruise control? why is it a MUST?
@@campbellrousselle9752 well, two bikes Ive bought new came with it, and I think it would have been nice if this one did. That’s all-honestly, it’s not a dealbreaker, but I would be all in, if it was an option. I am still quite excited to test ride one of these. Thanks! 😀😀
100 percent, was truly hoping they came out swinging a the T7, they did in the power department 100%, but everything else is okay and tame. Coming from a 22 T7 owner.
I completely agree. I just bought a T7 two weeks ago. Sure, the Honda has more power, more equipment and is cheaper. But somehow it seems too normal to me. So I'm happy with my T7 and think I did exactly the right thing.
I doubt it will be cheaper than the T7, AFAIK they didn't release any prices yet
@@kowalski2334 rally raid kit will do the trick, plus hondas are bullet proof bikes
I think you have to say that. I also think that the Honda will be the better bike.
Agree 100%
How can it seem too normal if you haven't even been on it? more power, more equipment, cheaper, actually has a screen that doesn't look like a casio watch from the 80's like the T7.. You cant say you did the right thing if you havent even twisted the ear of the new alp and felt that new engine perform but sure, convince yourself
There will be plenty of buyers as it has a good pedigree, plenty of power, it's a medium sized bike that's road orientated but with the extra legs that some of the smaller adventure ish bikes don't have, I'd be tempted if I wasn't so happy with my little CRF rally... I miss the power that this would have but no bike has everything you want... not yet anyway... 200kg wet isn't a bad shout...
We need a 450 rally with long maintenance intervals
@@212driller but would we be happy with it lol, It's deffo do-able... but who will pull it off first, I hear Fantic have done a 450 rally at eicma...I'm guessing short service intervals though...
Good points on the cockpit and low exhaust.
I'll be picking one up to replace my 500X finally. undoubtably I will be giving Rally Raid UK my business for some mods as well
Excellent (like always)! :)
Agree with most of Your points. The gentle legend is back.
The fourth generation & on paper the best one yet. XL are not Honda’s dirt focused models the XR/CRF machines are. DCT is brilliant but will add 10kg. The mighty AT was always the flagship & adding premium features like: cc, tubeless & advanced suspension will probably hurt sales of the AT & increase price.
Positives: Uncomplicated allrounder, 755cc, 92bhp/75nm, ground clearence: 210mm, weight: 208kg, seatheight: 820&850mm, Wheels: 21/18, 6speed, all led lights, self cancelling blinkers, blinkers as drive lights, Electronics: more than enough, Suspension: Adequat & robust, Fuel range: 390km, Click on luggage without racks & lots of accessories, easy removal of fairings.
Looks: A clean classic & timeless design that true to its heritage.
Negatives: Naked out of the box, low muffler, no gps mounting bar not even as extra, no easy adjustment of windscreen & front fender, no easy adjustment of suspension, no Wingbadge again, & yes miss that Classic muffler design the 2»rocket pipes»
Location & access to airfilter, battery & sparkplugs ?
More positives than negatives & big step in the right direction but had Maybe wished for more with 2022 glasses on. Half hearted ? But no doubt it will be a success.
Are the mountains calling you? Or, is the new Honda Transalp XL750 just a little….Meh? 🤔
Very meh. I’ll stick with the Africa Twin.
I hear beige is a paint option.
Meh
Agree with everything you said and have the exact same feelings, except the last sentence.
Looking at some comments, guess my disappointment comes from the fact that I was expecting a baby Africa Twin 750-850 to replace my '93 Africa Twin 750 next year for its 30th anniversary (after having had several Transalps) and they came up with a new Transalp... Looked at my old AT yesterday and found it nicer than the new Transalp!
From a pure Transalp perspective, the new one will probably be nice, if you manage to get a proper high exhaust, bash plate and hand-guards to be in line with the old ones.
My secret hope is that Honda aligns with BMW GSs and have a 750 (Transalp), 850 (new Africa Twin) and 1100 or higher (current Africa Twin)...😃
The 850 could be a new Dominator instead.
The bike you're looking for is the NX650, the Dominator. That was the more off road focused sibling to the original transalp, and the father of the XR650L.
First of all I like the way it looks, I am disappointed that it’s not a little more off road capable but who knows what it will truly be like until we get some reviews
This bike will be far more capable than most people are ever likely to want to take a 450+lb bike off-road.
where are you going off road exactly? 😄
I ride mostly in wales 🏴 and the trails here can be difficult/hard on bikes so the more off capable is it the easier it will be. I’d rather have the off road capabilities and not need them than need them and not have them! Of course it’s just my opinion 👍
Looks like you'll have to build that elusive unicorn ADV bike you're after yourself
Maybe there is a reason Honda refers to the Transalp name, not the CRF ;-)
I LOVE the look of the new Transalp!! Shame no tubeless tyres.. but I'm going to NEC to have a look. I'm sure aftermarket exhausts will appear to move it higher. Have been loving everything about the Norden 901, except the price and reliability worries.. the Transalp would take care of those i guess.
Honda usually go overweight and underpowered (think CB500X, NC750X, Transalp 700, XL1000 etc), this is a step in the right direction imo. It is a shame though that manufacturers are so unwilling to eat into sales of their bigger bikes that they dumb down the middleweights.
Why would any manufacturer want to undermine the sales of their flagship (and most profitable) models? They are not making these things as a service to the consumer, but to make money.
When the CRF1000 came out everyone in the comments wanted a 750.. now here it is so shrurrup
I'm with you on this ,I was waiting for something a bit more aggressive for off road. Only has the same travel as my 96 Africa twin, decided to upgrade the suspension and have a bike only slightly heavier. Sure it will be quicker and lower centre of gravity , but I have less to go wrong and save a load of money.
Get a 450...
The lack of excitement is understandable. I see no obvious reason to care for the new transalp as long as one can get the older models used in a good condition (for 1/3rd of the price).
I have an 07 TA and a 17 AT and there is no comparison, the AT cost me 3x the TA and is worth every cent. Still love my TA though!
I have heard a lot of people say they wish it was more off road capable, but don’t say specifically what would need to change to make that the case. More ground clearance? More suspension travel? Lighter? To me it does seem off road capable, not sure what I’m missing. Is it just that it doesn’t “look” off-road capable enough?
@@jakeviolet2195 Thanks for answering, can definitely see some of those, but tires and bash plate are easily changed/added, and weight is on par for the class. I think it’s that people want it off road capable out of the box, but Honda is trying to hit an aggressive price point, so they leave it up to you to make it more capable
@@jakeviolet2195 same diameter forks as the Tenere; 43mm
Exactly my sentiments, maybe it’ll grow on me, specially it’s got that nice engine and maybe they left room for the aftermarket industry to make acceilike hand guards, better suspension, tublieheels, higher exhaust, etc
You are absolutely right and most people who will buy this bike are the ones who want an Africa Twin but can't afford it.
This transalp has everything you need!
Yeah totaly agree. The front fairing and headlight bother me quite a bit. Just like the one one the Hornet.
Should bring down the secondhand price of other similar bikes in this genre.
Absolutely..We know the old Transalp was never an off road focussed bike but we had hopes for this one to be the answer to the T7 and it's not.
I thought I was the only one saying that the Alp was confused with its scooter style exhaust and tubed tyres and not very rally inspired looks.
Who is it aimed at? I think it's gonna be a CB500x rider wanting to upgrade.
Look at the competition. Other not so well known brands like Rieju with its 500 adventure with 40lts tank and the new Kove 450 rally are the machines we are getting excited over. The Transalp is just too safe and the other versions are just the same with accessories.
Wake up Honda the competition in the middleweight rally bike is hot and your sales on the CRF300 rally should have pricked up your ears.
Sorry but are you looking for a rally bike or a mid adventure bike? You haven't even been on the bike and tried it out but you telling Hinda to wake up.. WTF, the development on this bike has been insane, its coming off of plenty of research.. why are you comparing it to a 450 rally? If you want an offroad bike go buy the 450RX, this bike is a commuter, gravel tourer and I'm willing to bet it will deal with sand, riverbeds and hill climbs perfectly with a tyre change as Honda produce amazingly balanced machines. if you cant ride this bike offroad then you cant ride.
@@Muzzy0085 you have totally misread my opinion.
The bike is not what a certain sector of the market is looking for.
It will mainly attract cb500x riders and not the T7 rider which I think is what a lot of us were hoping for.
Suspension is preload only with no comp or rebound.
Lower ground clearance, low exhaust. No sat Nav mount.
This has not been made with the off road rtw rider in mind. A std T7 is ready to ride from the crate. This isn't sadly. And I am not anti Honda having 3 AT's for years.
As far as my off-road skills it's been 20yrs since I did the 12hr dawn to dusk enduro but happy to run my KTM 890 on the tracks still.
I like the black and grey colored one, but I still prefer the A.T.
I think you want the new Transalp to be too specialized. What it was good doing before the facelift was everything pretty well, but nothing superbly. A jack of all trades. Don't think it's a T7 killer, especially off road, but it looks like it has the potential to be comfortable, reliable and practical. Qualities that we need to see more, not less of. Get a RAM mount and some side racks and it might be a very good bike that can go anywhere, just a bit slower than many of the other adventure bikes. And it's a great platform to make it better in certain areas, should you want to explore its potential.
Saw it at NEC. I think its worse in the flesh - I went to the show specifically to see it and spent less time at that stand than all the competition. I’ve now ranked all 8, and I’ve surprised myself with the result- I’ve put the Transalp in equal 7th place. So I won’t be ordering one and now need to finally decide which of the competition to buy. Ps, if you don’t feel comfortable holding leg up above the rear seat on mount/dismounting the bike, and having to hold it across about 40 cm horizontal, don’t even bother trying to get on the Honda. That rear silver grab rail thing is super wide - polar opposite to the Ducati X for example that’s refreshingly slim.
Very disappointing . As a n old PD06 owner I was not buying the T7 so far because I was waiting for the new TA to come out . Now there is no need to wait anymore. Too bad that the rubberdust dream did not came true.
... and now you can buy the T7 💙💛🏁🤛🏼
Completely agree with you. Unfortunately Compared to the T7 it looks dated
AFT Flat Track Here We Come!!!
Well I guess that you can by a stickerset from Rubberdust, uppgrade the suspension and put a higher mounted muffler on the bike. Then maybe you will have a capable and good looking bike that fit your taste 😉
Weight?
@@Berecutecu 208kg wet. Is it was it is and not to compare with a Husqvarna 701 Enduro 😃
@@Cayman1 isn't bad but above 200kg it is already a mid weight motorcycle. Personally, I'll wait KTM 490 or a Versys-x 400, weight is something that there isn't much you can do
2:42 that's exactly what I feel about this video.
Well said i agree with most of your thoughts.
I hear exactly what you're saying and I can't put my finger on it either... I think it looks a little frail even though it's 280kg. T7 with some mods is definitely the best option in my opinion.
The weight is 208kg actually… maybe that’s why you thinks it looks frail😉
I have to know, have you had a previous life in broadcast? Your presentation game is just brilliant!
I think, like many a middleweight honda adventure-ism rally raid will give you a kit that solves all of these issues, but then you are in the price of a KTM 890 adventure r and that's just really a king in that department.
I totally agree with you though, it just looks like another cb-something or other.
I fully agree with you. It is a lost chance. There is a lot of 200kg+ middle bikes. Instead of going with a big bigger and stronger than T7 the Honda should go for a bit smaller and lighter, a 600 or 550 with under 180kg would be much more interesting and new.
Then you get higher compression ratios aka reliability issues... Yeah you can pull 60-70hp from a 500 but how reliable can it be? A ktm 690 with 11.8:1 compression ratio has its reliability and oil consumption issues... My cb 400x (Japanese market) has covered 185k km with just timing chain tensioner issue (@150k km) currently it consumes 1 liter of oil per 4k km (heavy use almost redlines every other traffic light) engine never been rebuilt but i abuse it like hell, heavy engine braking, wheelies every other day and i use it for food delivery too
Honda have also registered the NX500 [aka 'Dominator'] name in certain markets... there is every chance you'll see something closer to what you describe in the next year or so, powered by the 471cc CB parallel-twin engine - they got the CL500 out in record time too (being based on a number of existing parts-bin components).
@@boomblab23 50hp with 21/18 abs and some fairing would be enough. E.g. 300 rally is great, but 27hp is just too weak for regular roads. We need similar 500
@@jmo2752 yes, exactly, I hope that it will come
@@west_adv I'll buy one if it does!
When Rally Raid see to it I am sure it will be a different beast!!
What a great segment the mid size adventure bike is! Will need to test ride suzuki 800 de & the honda transalp as my 2 favorites 😍 just hope criuse control could be fitted at later date.
I've heared people say this new bike is not as hardcore as the original Transalp.
That makes me wonder if they ever rode the original one at all.
The looks .... For sure 😏
BLAND BLAND BLAND , you have said everything I expected and im fully aboard what you say , just not doing it for me , yamaha it is for me
The pipe comment was the best thing I've heard against it. Probably wouldn't affect me much as I can count the times I've crossed 3 ft deep streams on with no hands. I reckon if people are that adventurous, they probably ought to pick a more purpose built bike. I'm fine with Swiss army knives and I'd spend the vast amount of my time with it on the road. Seems fine to take in the occasional forest service trail.
I’m a Honda lover but my buddy who works for Honda says this won’t be a Tenere beater, especially off-road..
Spot on ! Exactly how I feel about this new Transalp. Having owned a Transalp 600, I have in the meantime moved to a KTM990 Adventure - so much morr fun ! Honda have lost me ...
I wonder if theres a model planned with a higher can and crash bars/ bash guard as standard, maybe a transalp adventure sport?
Dowdy. That's the word for which you are looking.
I totally agree, and no tubeless? And no usb.... and could of been lighter .. im leaning to tuareg Aprilia. Now
Great video.. love your channel and watching you guys...I think I'm going with the BMW 310 gs with Rally Raid for Australia solo female tour... then the Aprilla to continue on RTW...
No worries. Rally Raid will set you up the way you want for roughly the price of a second Transalp 🙂
An updated Honda Dominator is what you’d be looking for.
I think Freddie Dobbs did an excellent and inspiring vid on the first gen: czcams.com/video/Ie081855LFc/video.html
In his words, “It’s a strangely brilliant mix of a sports tourer, an adventure bike, and a trails bike.” And I think the TA needs to be considered as that, in that order!
I think many have lost their understanding of what the TransAlp was originally designed as. Too many youtuber’s saying that Honda missed the mark. On paper, I think they hit the mark and exceeded it.
I totally agree with you 👍
You are absolutely right. You expressed my feelings and disappointment perfectly.Luckily I still have a Tuareg 660.
I own a 1996 TA and if I had to upgrade it won't be this unfortunately. Probably go the Rally Raid or a 2010 Super Tenere or African Twin, or the Ducati Destert X or a GS, KTM even.. Or maybe the Aprillia Tuareg.. Pan America comes before this.
spot on. hopefully in 2024 theyll add the missing options and with aftermarket mods it’ll go from ford focus to fuck yeah
😢 we also got disappointed @Stuart fillingham made an interesting video why he never will buy a big adventure bike again, to expect Honda to build bikes like the Portuguese AJP i think we have to wait long
czcams.com/video/S_KA0EY3CUE/video.html
it is just a next stronger, modern typical transalp. I am still hoping for a small Africa Twin based on this engine, but maybe detuned a little, AT 1000 had almost the same power from a bigger engine.
I bought a T7 a week ago and I'm sure it was the better choice. I agree with you, I also wanted one Transalp, how did you call it more aggressive. The transalp looks like a mutant of Honda NC 700 X. Or a pairing between Africa Twin and NC 700 X and the mother was second named.
I ride my 500x off road it does well for a "adventure tourer" im sure we plebs wont be able to use the t7 full potential even if we wanted to...
You are right in the way you describe the spirit of the bike, the problem is that it is compared with the spirits of other bikes of the same value, but which are certainly intended for other purposes, or rather, less purposes!
On paper, the weight/power/torque/price ratio is superior to its competition. But in addition, the performance of the engine supposes a broader use, such as passing through the city, as well as on the road, to the detriment of its off-road capabilities. I assume that it is a good decision, especially for traveling, something that the competition does not take into account as much except in its maxitrail categories.
It could be compared to the GS 850, but cheaper; with the T7, but more touring; with the Tuareg, but even more comfortable and powerful; with an 890 adv, but infinitely simpler and more reliable; with a KLR 650, but much more current and capable. Or compare yourself to all of them and many more, with the difference of lifting a rock and finding spare parts. Even when compared within the same brand, the CB 500 X is not as capable and the Africa Twin is beyond heavy, sophisticated and expensive.
In short, this bike came to cover the space that no other brand covers effectively in almost every aspect. But also, thinking of a mass audience, hopefully capable of performing 20% of the maneuvers shown in the avant premieres of each adventure motorcycle released.
Then, we can understand that the public's expectation was stronger due to the habit of demanding beasts with wheels, after so much marketing that, under the desire to enjoy, managed to hide the act of suffering.
It is true that greater capacities of a motorcycle make the user a better driver, but motorcycles are becoming more powerful, requiring larger engines, making the motorcycles heavier, and requiring more power again, generating a vicious circle that separates completely from the uses that most mortals would give it. And in that sense, I believe that the new Transalp tries to lay the foundations of what an adventure motorcycle should be, a notion that even its older sister lost.
¡Greetings from Argentina!
Grumpy, or not, you are absolutely right!
My conclusions over the past week are that the Taureg and Tenere will likely remain kings of the middleweight ADV bikes for at least another year. The new Suzuki V-Strom 800 DE came close to giving them a run for their money (and may still do so), but it’s extra girth will likely scare many riders away. So, it slots into third for me. The Ducati’s price tag is a major turnoff too, so it’s not a realistic option worth considering for many folks.
Вопрос к тому кто делал двигатель ? В каком веке ты живешь и каким топором ты вырубал картерную крышку такое ощущение как будто дизайн идет из 60-х 70-х годов английских древних мотоциклов. И потом если ты делал выхлопную трубу то она должна быть снизу плоской и прекрывать картер.
I love my T7....that looks and want adventure ;-)
I am interested in the Kove 800x, same price and 183kg wet, Kove may be at the ABR festival this year,
agree on all points.
I’ve got to agree Dave it’s not doing it for me also as I was hoping for better off-road focused machine , and yes they are claiming more power but it’s at high rpm how will it fair low down ! but we won’t know till it’s out there
Steven
I think it will be spot on for 99% of the target audience, especially if it's priced as aggressively as the Hornet in the UK.
I'll have the V-Strom 800!
I just don't understand why all the electronic, I keep all my electronic in a night stand so when I get to old to ride I just play in my big screen tv
Luckily my 2000 Transalp has a lot of life left in her, so i can watch the cat out of the tree😁(See which way the wind blows).
I favor the T7 but something tells me they will be ridden hard and put away wet the coming years.
So being in the demographic, middle aged, frugal, techno-challenged, i probably end up with a good used TA in a couple of years.
Well, i'm off greenlaning the beautiful Dutch country side. I just take out 0,2 bar of air out of my Mitas EO7's, no ABS or ride modes and i'll bet anyone all the hard candy in my pocket: she'll start the first try and put a Goofy smirk on my leathery, smoke and windblown mug in minutes.
Agree.
Bit of a let down to say the truth....its just like a bigger 500X or an NC750. Completly agree with your review.
I’m with you on this . I had a 650 transalp which was great once I fitted hyperpro springs bigger pegs but it was always adequate everywhere. I think the tenere beats it still the new v strom looks ok and think I would choose it over the Honda sadly
You would choose a Suzuki over a Honda??? You should follow the development of this motor, Honda have gone leaps and bounds past Suzuki. I'm not sure why people base reviews or thoughts on a picture alone. If you had the 650 and were happy with it, this 750 will be 10 times better, more power, balanced and a good all rounder, you can commute and take it offroad.. people complaining about ground clearance but when last did they perch on a rock going down a mountain where 200mm is not enough? If you riding serious offroad or rally then you wouldnt be riding a 750
@@Muzzy0085 I agree but there’s no Bach plate no sat nav bar or engine bars abs I think all these add ons will bump the price up
@@ownyourworld true story but aftermarket will advance so won't be worse than upgrading a std bashplate
@@Muzzy0085 I had the new shape sv650 toured France twice on it and rode it every day great bike .
100% agree
what bike are you making next
I totally agree with you For me personally when I saw it for the 1st time .... what the hell The engineers in Honda just copy paste NC750 / 500X used golden rims and placed Transalp stickers? I am following your channel for quite a long time I was very much like you fan of Africa Twin but finally I have bought T7 I love the simplicity its Dakar look and high seat position very much
No compression or rebound damping makes it a road biased bike. The vstrom 800de has 17” rear wheel which will seriously limited the tyres available for off roaming. I’ll stick to my T7 for now until the Aprilia Tuareg is better known for reliability.
I guess at least it's a new Honda, other than that it doesn't look like anything to get too excited about 🤷🏻
Old Transalps look right, but this one doesn't... I didn't ride it, maybe it's great, i don't know, but can't buy that because i don't like it. I have an old 1997 version and it's great!
I whole heartedly agree with the video.. too much honda not enough berzing.. please could you please do a review on suzuki vstong 800de... cheers
Front looks like NC and that sucks. DCT and
cruise control its a most. and 19 and 17 options. Honda Africa twin 850 whit more rally and 21 18 will com later me thinks.
What about the V-Storm 800cc??? Or it should be the new P-Strom 800?
I think Honda needs two versions - a harder core model with up-rated suspension and protection to compete with (i.e., crush) the T7. More or less match the T7 in most respects and the engine will make it no contest. And a more street version with 17/19 cast wheels. Triumph does this, why not Honda? I'd go with the street version myself - shame about the tubed rims though.
I'm 68 and absolutely done with tall heavy ADV bikes. A relatively light, low seat ADV/tourer with decent power ... I'd still seriously consider this bike.
I don't get why everyone is hanging onto the hp on this bike, on tubes pushing over 100mph for any amount of time is reckless. The T7 does 100mph no problem and cruises at 80mph with zero effort. This new transalp is nice but its not a T7 competitor at all.
The T7 has awful suspension.
It's quite likely that Honda will do with the new Transalp what they've done with the CB 500X...start with an excellent 'base' model and upgrade progressively over several years. It's now a terrific package for the asking price, but still only A2 power, sadly. Now that Triumph are developing pure dirt bikes, I'd really like to see them take the Tiger Sport 660 (by all accounts a fantastic road biased bike) and 'adventurize' it...keep the road/touring focus but go with 19/17 spoked tubeless rims, add a little ground clearance and possibly cruise control. This would be a more direct competitor for the new transalp.
@@matthewallison4117 I agree on the hypothetical more dirt version, 70 HP VS 90 HP isn't a big deal. But, on a hypothetical more street version with cast wheels, sorry, it's a big deal - I've ridden the FZ07, it could use some more ponies.
@@randydewees7338 yeah I'd agree on that. But the tenere isn't a street oriented bike and there's plenty of other options in terms of power. My T7 struggles off road to keep up with 890r adventures not because of the engine power but the suspension just gives out on big hits above 50mph.
I don't think it's too bad, seems to keep to the design of original transalp.
Wonder if we are allowed to dream of a new Honda dominator to fit your idea of an off road biased adventure bike to be more akind to the T7.
It would be cool to see the xr650r come back under the skin of a dominator, fairing, long range tank, e start, 6 speed, all in around the 180-190kg. I guess dreams are not restrained by reality. Haha.
Agree 100%
I am with you, disappointed. It's a middle weight touring bike.
I'm not sure that I was ever expecting a more aggressive bike than this if I'm honest, certainly didn't think it would be a serious T7 rival. As others have said, the old Transalp was more of a road biased machine anyway. I agree that it could do with things like a GPS mount , even the current CB500X has that, and a USB outlet as well as the 12v. Personally I like the looks of it though. Looking at the accessories on the Honda website there are some deflectors and such like listed and, I think similar extras were originally listed for the CB500X when it came out in 2013. Later updates did away with the need for those I think. Not sure why Honda would do that again. The thing I really don't understand is the decision to go for tubed tyres. I suspect that we'll see some twerking of the features over the next two or three years. Need to try one when they arrive in the showrooms I think.
Tubes are better offroad. try fixing a tubeless in the desert.
So many creators on CZcams were saying the Transalp 750 will be a “T7 killer”, myself included. Some still are.
Even though I was excited before the release, I’m not anymore. I feel the same way as you. I was hoping for something with more off-road chops.
rally raid will for sure make upgrade for the shocks and fork, they usually do for honda bikes.
@@metalsadman I hope so. My other concerns are the wet sump oil system and the low hanging exhaust. Both can be disastrous off-road.
@@GreatEgret the t7 has a huge flaw with the exhaust hanger... You bend it you risk getting your swingarms chewed or you either get a high slung exhaust 🫣
@@GreatEgret stick a bash guard and you're fine...
@@boomblab23 doesn’t work that way with wet sump system. That oil pan is a low hanging fruit for rocks and logs. One good smack, even with a bash plate, you’re stuck. The wet sump system has a much lower oil pan than a dry sump. That requires lower ground clearance. Add a bash plate and you lower your ground clearance even more. This is why most off-road capable bikes use a dry sump oil system.
I agree, it doesn't look right. This should have been a 750cc Africa Twin.
the iridium gray version look right......
Spot on, boring with a 16 L fuel tank .