Making Bottom Boards for Commercial Use

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  • čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
  • This video shows how we produce heavy duty bottom boards for our commercial beekeeping operation and the tools we use.
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Komentáře • 122

  • @beebob1279
    @beebob1279 Před 2 lety +1

    A very impressive shop. Dad was a wood shop teacher (industrial arts, and now Technology Education, STEM).
    He put together a small shop at the mountain house and did all kinds of projects.
    He would be very impressed with your shop.
    I like the feeder for the table saw. I really like the measuring stops on the radial arm saw. So cool. I was taught to clamp a block of wood and do it that way. I like yours much more.
    Anyway, I would say the best way to make those 300 bottom boards is to make all the cuts at one time. You make the big bottom pieces first (300 of them). Then you cut the side rails second, and so on. I like that you use screws and you paint the exposed wood. Very well done!!!!!

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Před 2 lety

      Thanks. I too have used the block system many, many times.

  • @pepperellbees
    @pepperellbees Před 4 lety +1

    Thank you! I'm new to bee keeping and make my own equipment. This is the Best instructions I have found for making bottom boards.

  • @tomkingsley4398
    @tomkingsley4398 Před 4 lety +2

    Great Video,
    What more could a DIY person ask for. Thanks for sharing your valuable knowledge.

  • @guybonneau2284
    @guybonneau2284 Před 2 lety +1

    Thanks for sharing your experience. This is much appreciated and it is very instructive. One of the most important part of the beehive is the top cover There is a lot of different designs around. Here in Québec, Canada a lot if people use a mixed metal/wood top cover. But I've been attracted to the wood covers you use. They can use both pail feeder an jar feeder. If you could share your design with a video like this one for the bottom this would be much appreciated.

  • @SecretGardenBees
    @SecretGardenBees Před 3 lety +2

    Great video as always! That HDO plywood appears to be like finding a unicorn here in Fayetteville NC!

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Před 3 lety

      Try looking for MDO which is often used in sign making. The core is made the same way but you'll need to paint it.

  • @coreymatheson4132
    @coreymatheson4132 Před 4 lety

    Great video! Well executed cut list, virtually zero waste. I need to come up to see your store. 25 hives and growing in Atlanta.

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Před 4 lety

      Hi Corey. Ask if I'm there If you come up. I'd be pleased to meet you.

  • @RyanFerreri
    @RyanFerreri Před rokem +2

    Would love to see a video on your lids too.

  • @papsroyalapiary9668
    @papsroyalapiary9668 Před 4 lety +1

    Bob
    I thought I got a cool shop, lol; was I ever wrong....you got one cool shop, I grew up in a cabinet maker/beekeeper family, you my friend have one well set shop, I like the way you position all your stations.

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Před 4 lety +1

      Thanks, I've been working at it awhile.

    • @papsroyalapiary9668
      @papsroyalapiary9668 Před 4 lety

      @@bobbinnie9872 I admire your approach to beekeeping and when I've seen your shop, that confirmed to me that you are a hardworking individual.
      I employ quite a few of your methods and enjoy. I grew up back in Romania in a beekeepers/woodworking family and I relate to your approach to your business.
      Dan

  • @russellkoopman3004
    @russellkoopman3004 Před 4 lety +3

    Great method and info - but I missed your voice. You have a great voice.

  • @konradrueb1567
    @konradrueb1567 Před 4 lety

    Outstanding Bob thank you for sharing. 🐝safe and keep your smoker lit!!!
    Konrad

  • @badassbees3680
    @badassbees3680 Před 4 lety +1

    Love your videos keep em coming

  • @ronaldcrunkilton7138
    @ronaldcrunkilton7138 Před 4 lety

    Oh, I am sorry those bottom boards are not for sale. Thanks for all the excellent videos!

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Před 4 lety

      Hi Ronald. They are for sale at our store in Lakemont.

  • @thomasbacon
    @thomasbacon Před 4 lety +1

    Thanks for posting!

  • @SecretGardenBees
    @SecretGardenBees Před 3 lety +3

    When are you going to give us a top cover construction video? :)

  • @TexasBeekeeper
    @TexasBeekeeper Před 7 měsíci +1

    I think you just saved me a lot of money with how you do the back pieces.
    Question: is there a good reason to have the bottom board to where it can be flipped to reduce the opening height?
    Do you do that often?
    I was toying with the idea of just putting the rails on one side that way they could also be used in a pinch as a double screen board.
    Any thoughts on that?
    I usually reduce the opening by blocking off part of it. I can't think of a tike where I flipped the bottom.

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Před 7 měsíci +1

      We always use the 3/8 inch side but that's just my personal preference. These bottom boards are made so they can be reversible because they can be used by anybody. This type of plywood could be used with just strips on one side and hold up well but I have to say that this design is super tough and heavy duty.

    • @TexasBeekeeper
      @TexasBeekeeper Před 7 měsíci +1

      Thank you for the reply.
      Building some now.
      I'll build like you have them and see how that goes. Already not having to make a slotted back rail is going to save a lot of wood.
      Thanks for sharing.

  • @KayiFarmJaHoneyBees
    @KayiFarmJaHoneyBees Před 4 lety

    Those are some neat components!

  • @wmrogerware
    @wmrogerware Před 4 lety +4

    Could you do video of your tops? Or at least the parts list.

  • @gonnagetya1433
    @gonnagetya1433 Před 4 lety

    I'd like to borrow John for a few weeks, have a bunch of stuff waiting till I have warmer weather to paint. :-)

  • @brianchrisman4331
    @brianchrisman4331 Před rokem +1

    Bob, I know you've mentioned this in another video, I just can't remember your answer or find the video. You paint the end grain with oil based paint? 2 coats? Or one? Thx

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Před rokem +1

      On HDO we mainly paint the end grain with one coat of a good oil base primer one or two coats of acrylic latex enamel.

  • @QuickCookie
    @QuickCookie Před rokem

    Thank you for sharing these valuable information. Do you use one sided or two sided HDO plywood?

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Před rokem +2

      It's two sided but one side is thicker than the other. It's great plywood for beekeepers but it's expensive.

  • @PutEmInTheBox
    @PutEmInTheBox Před 4 lety +1

    I think I can speak for a great deal of people when I say we really appreciate your videos. Keep it up! How does this plywood compare to advantech?

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Před 4 lety +1

      Thanks. The type of HDO we use is far superior to advantech. It's almost twice the price but it's actually worth it in the long run. It lasts so much longer. It can also be challenging to find in some areas.

    • @joshhollingsworth4541
      @joshhollingsworth4541 Před 4 lety

      Bob Binnie at Blue Ridge Honey Company I live in Carrollton GEORGIA you come to speak at our young farmers meeting where do you buy the hdo from would like to try it

    • @comanchefire
      @comanchefire Před 4 měsíci

      Advantech is junk for beekeeping equipment

  • @robertbritton3145
    @robertbritton3145 Před 3 lety +1

    Bob, I see you glue and staple the back rail on. How well does it stay put. I would think wood glue would not hold well on the slick surface. I am wanting to pick up some hdo for lids and was wondering how to do pattie rim on underside. Its a pain when rim comes off when prying lids up.

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Před 3 lety +1

      The glue seems to hold fine. We use Titebond 2 or 3. We have done what you are going to do a lot and have had good luck.

  • @benproffit1777
    @benproffit1777 Před 4 lety

    Great video! Could you possibly do covers next?

  • @grisha8084
    @grisha8084 Před 4 lety

    I really liked it. Practical video. I will use it on my hives. I am from Russia. We do not have such inventions

  • @gruntingsolid2985
    @gruntingsolid2985 Před 4 lety +1

    Great video. Could yall tell me the name of the measuring stop block fence on your miter saw. Its amazing and I gotta have one but I can't find nothing like it when I searched online.

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Před 4 lety

      It's from Maya. www.mayaposi-stop.com/

    • @Volcker1929
      @Volcker1929 Před 4 lety

      Bob Binnie at Blue Ridge Honey Company thanks! That is quite a nice wood shop.

  • @williambates6811
    @williambates6811 Před 7 měsíci

    Can you explain about your cut off saw stop fence. Where did you purchase the rail and stops? That is the best setup I have seen for cutting multiple lengths of boards consistently on the fly.

  • @donsscooters
    @donsscooters Před 4 lety +1

    We tried to find some HDO localy in NW louisiana a couple years ago but struck out..Even mdo was tough to find and that was a 7 hour drive and one sided. Ended up using some sub flooring but that didn't work out as well as the internet led me to believe. Is that stuff you buy two sided coated or just one side with the sellers label on the other?

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Před 4 lety

      Hi Don. It's two sided with the sellers brand name only on one side. Both sides are the same material but it appears to me that the side without print is a bit thicker so we always have that side facing the elements. It really is very tough. The place we buy it from tells us their best customers for this plywood are concrete wall and foundation contractors who in some cases use it over and over. It's the best stuff I've ever seen for lids and bottoms. Hope you can find some near you. Also, HDO is definitely better than MDO for beekeepers.

  • @tifreire1
    @tifreire1 Před 4 lety +1

    Bob, do you build your hive bodies as well? I saw the budget grade ones from ML just increased by over $4 but after pricing the lumber from a local supplier it's still cheaper for me to buy them without even taking my time and equipment to build them into account. These lumber prices are getting crazy.

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Před 4 lety +3

      It seems all prices are getting crazy. Being a Mann Lake dealer helps a lot so that's what we're using now but I have built many boxes over the years.

  • @Nick27ization
    @Nick27ization Před 4 lety +1

    What brand and model of fence/spring stop system are you using for your radial arm saw? Do you have any issues with the stops slowly sliding out of position?

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Před 4 lety +3

      We purchased the fence parts from www.mayaposi-stop.com/. They never move and are excellent.

    • @Nick27ization
      @Nick27ization Před 4 lety +1

      Awesome! Nice shop!

  • @ericpetersen2033
    @ericpetersen2033 Před rokem

    It looks like you add two end strips to the 3/4 side. I assume this is just so bees don't run up and under the bottom board? I didn't hear a reason or see it discussed but when you show the finished product, it looks like a second strip is attached on the end of the 3/4 side. If you used 3/4, I assume you would have 2 3/8 strips. Am I understanding your process correctly?

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Před rokem

      If they are to be sold in our store we make them a reversible entrance bottom board with a single 3/8 x 3/4 strip on one side and a single 3/4 x 3/4 strip on the other. This gives the customer a choice of which size entrance they want to use. If they are for our use we put two wider 3/4 strips on what will be the bottom and a single 3/8 x 3/4 strip on the top because we use only the 3/8 entrance side and we like to reinforce the bottom.

  • @joshuablack398
    @joshuablack398 Před 4 lety +1

    amazing

  • @downunderfulla6001
    @downunderfulla6001 Před 4 lety

    Awesome and easy to follow 🍺🍺

  • @ronaldcrunkilton7138
    @ronaldcrunkilton7138 Před 4 lety +1

    There is certainly a need for quality bottom boards. Another very large apiary manufacturer, Mann Lake, that generally produces high quality wooden ware produces pure junk for bottom boards. I have had virtually all delaminate the first season of use and many within weeks of first use. When notified of the problem, which I suspected were due to use of defective materials the company failed to even acknowledge my complaints and request for replacements. It’s time to look elsewhere for bottom boards. I have no affiliation with Blue Ridge.

    • @beebob1279
      @beebob1279 Před 2 lety +1

      Bottom boards by the big producers like Mannlake only last a few years. My issue is ants chewing through the stuff. So, I just started making my bottoms out of scrap wood wherever I could find it.
      If you know anyone in the construction business they're usually happy to get rid of the scraps because it cuts down on their disposal costs. I had a source but since Covid I've lost it. I need to find someone now. Problems it... No one is building new homes in my area.

  • @brianchrisman4331
    @brianchrisman4331 Před 3 lety

    I just got 4 sheets of this stuff from Mid South in Lakeland FL today. Why do you use the PT for the upper rear strip? (not enough HDO scrap?). I plan to build some of these bottoms and some tops. I love your wood shop, looks amazing! Also your channel has been a great find, keep up the great work. I'll be stopping by for some sourwood honey they next time I drive through the area.

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Před 3 lety

      Hi Brian. You're right, there's not enough scrap left. We do however occasionally use scraps of HDO in applications like this and it works great. The only thing we do to HDO in all uses is paint the end grain to seal it. The top, or smooth, surfaces don't need any paint or sealing. Thank you.

    • @brianchrisman4331
      @brianchrisman4331 Před 3 lety

      @@bobbinnie9872 so what about building a nuc completely out of 1/2 inch HDO form board? (I'm not sure if a rabbit cut would work in HDO) I'm in Florida and I'm a sideliner, wood cost is a bit prohibitive to make them like you do(which is what I'd prefer to do). I'm just tired of dumping nuc boxes after 4yr

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Před 3 lety +2

      @@brianchrisman4331 HDO actually works good for about everything. I used to have a bunch of three frame nucs made with 3/4 in. ends and 1/2 in. sides which worked fine. You might consider 3/4 for the ends to help give you a full 3/8 frame rest.

  • @user-mi4fj9rq7v
    @user-mi4fj9rq7v Před rokem

    Bob, somewhere in one of your building videos, I recall you talking about migratory lids and bee space. Specifically trim ( 3/8 in ? 1/4 in ?) under the lid or having the lid lay just flat ( Queen timing box) on the box. I cannot find that discussion anywhere on your site. Are you able to direct me to the video where you discuss the space between top of frames and bottom of the migratory lid? Thank you

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Před rokem +1

      I recall saying something about that but I don't remember which video. I believe I suggested that if I was going to put a rim on a flat lid permanently I would make it 1/4 inch in order to minimize burr comb.

    • @user-mi4fj9rq7v
      @user-mi4fj9rq7v Před rokem

      You're the best! Thank you for taking the time to provide this information. I have learned so much from you and your staff over the years via the YT videos. @@bobbinnie9872

  • @clintwall8457
    @clintwall8457 Před 3 lety

    Hi bob thanks for this video. I am making 300 using hdo right now. My question is do you think it is necessary to paint the non-cut surfaces? I am trying primer and paint and it does not form a good bond in my opinion. If I paint only the cut surfaces will that be enough to last for several years?

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Před 3 lety +1

      You're right, painting the surfaces does not work well. We only paint the edges and it lasts for years.

  • @wrfarms9741
    @wrfarms9741 Před 3 lety

    Those look like VERY nice quality bottom boards. 👍 I am still on the fence with respect to solid vs screened bottom boards. My preference is for solid but these middle Tennessee summers can get really hot. Screened bottom boards have their drawbacks but do provide much better ventilation & reduce bearding but I hate those corrugated plastic closer sheets. I am debating changing to solid bottom boards for the Winter & changing back for Summer but that seems like a LOT of extra work and hassle for the bees and me. I have some hives with solid bottoms that I remove the entrace reducer for more ventilation which helps but has some drawbacks and risks. How do you deal with ventilation with solid bottom boards?

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Před 3 lety

      Two techniques. On strong colonies with multiple supers we push the top super either forward or backwards exactly 3/4 inch which provides a full 3/8 entrance on one end but no opening on the other. If possible we put the open end on the shady side. Believe it or not this extra full upper entrance helps a little with swarming. At other times we simply move the lid forward or backward slightly so it is raised by resting on the strip we have under each end. Of course none of this is necessary if it's not hot.

    • @wrfarms9741
      @wrfarms9741 Před 3 lety

      @@bobbinnie9872 Where did you purchase the HDO plywood? For 150 - 250 hives, what are your thoughts on going with a standard wood bottom board built out of cypress lumber and wax dipped? HDO plywood is some tough material, I have some commercial hive lids made out of it that I have had for close to 10 years. I dip all of my boxes, telescoping covers, entrance reducers, honey supers. I am not sure if wax dipping HDO plywood is advised? The heat may ruin it. Never tried.

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Před 3 lety +1

      @@wrfarms9741 We get our HDO from Mid South Lumber, we just called them today to check stock and we're picking some up tomorrow after honey deliveries in Atlanta. 3/4 inch with Douglas Fir is $58.00 a sheet in a unit of 46. Their number is 1 800 759 3076. No need to dip in wax, just paint the end grain with a good quality oil base primer to seal it and it will out last anything. Dipped Cypress would do very well too but the HDO won't warp and will never split.

  • @greggilday3774
    @greggilday3774 Před 9 měsíci

    Great video. Wondering if you've ever used MDO instead of HDO. If so, did you notice much difference?

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Před 9 měsíci +2

      I have used MDO in the past and it is good stuff that is made much the same way that HDO is. The main difference is that it doesn't have the durable outer veneer that HDO has. It is often used in sign making and as long it gets a good coat of paint it will give good service.

    • @greggilday3774
      @greggilday3774 Před 9 měsíci +2

      @@bobbinnie9872Thank you. As always, I appreciate your knowledge and willingness to share.

  • @williamschulz6302
    @williamschulz6302 Před 4 lety

    Great video thanks 🐝🐝

  • @richardgragg5092
    @richardgragg5092 Před 2 lety

    I wish I knew what stop system you're using on you fence.

  • @robertbritton3145
    @robertbritton3145 Před 3 lety

    Bob are you getting 10 bottoms or 10 lids per sheet? Thanks for videos

  • @tomgordon3100
    @tomgordon3100 Před rokem

    Hi Bob, do you have any experience wax dipping HDO or formply? I have second hand formply from builders and i thought it might benefit from the treatment + a coat of paint. Thanks from Aus

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Před rokem +1

      I have not dipped used HDO or formply so I honestly don't know how it would do. I'm sure the wax wouldn't hurt a thing. I just don't know what the high temperature would do. Only one way to find out. Good luck.

    • @tomgordon3100
      @tomgordon3100 Před rokem

      @@bobbinnie9872 Thanks Bob

  • @PaulSmith-qu3jq
    @PaulSmith-qu3jq Před 3 lety

    Where are you purchasing your plywood from tried looking up mid south not really having luck finding near me wanting to make large amount

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Před 3 lety

      (706) 313-1200
      6595 Marshall Blvd
      Lithonia, GA 30058-8973

  • @dusanjevtic1566
    @dusanjevtic1566 Před 4 lety

    What are these boards that will cut you to the underfloor, are they water resistant to moisture?

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Před 4 lety +2

      It's called HDO for "High Density Overlay" and it is water resistant. It's the best plywood for beekeepers that I know of.

    • @dusanjevtic1566
      @dusanjevtic1566 Před 4 lety

      I want to make the lids and the floors of this record, and I can't get it anywhere, in Serbia, nobody makes it

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Před 4 lety +1

      Sorry you can't get it. It's really good plywood.

    • @dusanjevtic1566
      @dusanjevtic1566 Před 4 lety

      Thanks mr Bob Binnie.

  • @cpack0990
    @cpack0990 Před 3 lety

    Hi Bob do you make your lids out of HDO as well?

  • @henrysbees
    @henrysbees Před 3 lety

    Hi bob are you planning on a making deep box video im on my 2nd year of bee keeping and boy buying deep boxes is expensive?

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Před 3 lety +1

      Hi Brian. I hadn't planned on one but it wouldn't be to much different than the nuc boxes. Same technique, different dimensions. Same length at 19-7/8. Width of 16-1/4 and height of 9-5/8 inches.

  • @kevin_raney
    @kevin_raney Před 3 lety

    Can you say what your price per sheet for this is? I'm assuming there is a street price and a bulk price?

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Před 3 lety

      It's usually around $60.00 per sheet when purchased by the unit which is 46 sheets.

    • @ordinaryguy6869
      @ordinaryguy6869 Před 3 lety +2

      @@bobbinnie9872 Today's cost would be $120 after the enormous spike in lumber prices.

    • @beebob1279
      @beebob1279 Před 2 lety +1

      @@ordinaryguy6869 We're all feeling the bite from that one.
      Hate to see what the bee equipment prices are going to be this year.

  • @johnmyers3889
    @johnmyers3889 Před 3 lety

    What price are you selling the bottom boards and lids for at your store. I'm only 2 hours away from u in East Tennessee.

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Před 3 lety +1

      We have those bottom boards in our store, ready to use, at $23.75 ea. We don't have any HDO migratory lids in stock at the moment but will be making some this winter.

    • @johnmyers3889
      @johnmyers3889 Před 3 lety

      @@bobbinnie9872 do you have any lids yet was gonna try to make a trip down to you this week sometime. If you don't have any lids. Would u sell any sheets of that hdo board.

  • @stevesoutdoorworld4340
    @stevesoutdoorworld4340 Před 4 lety +1

    I guess you do not use clip pallets?

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Před 4 lety +2

      We have most of our bees on pallets and these do have clips. We call these our "traveling bees". About 25% of our bees are on permanent locations and don't get moved around and these are what we use these bottom boards for.

    • @stevesoutdoorworld4340
      @stevesoutdoorworld4340 Před 4 lety +1

      @@bobbinnie9872 Thanks Bob you are doing great things in the bee world.Keep up the good work!

  • @wmrogerware
    @wmrogerware Před 4 lety

    Very nice

  • @vedantjoshi5884
    @vedantjoshi5884 Před 2 lety +1

    Good

  • @othalee
    @othalee Před 4 lety

    How many nucs do you guys sell in an average year?

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Před 4 lety +1

      Every year is different. It depends on how many colonies we sell. If my memory serves me right last year we sold around 1350 nucs and 700 packages. This year was 685 nucs and and a few hundred packages.

    • @othalee
      @othalee Před 4 lety +3

      Thats amazing! It may not seem like it at times I'm sure, but you are a very blessed man.. thank you for teaching so many of us to how to be successful beekeepers. You're making a positive impact in peoples lives. That's a good legacy to leave behind.

  • @cecildean3648
    @cecildean3648 Před 2 lety

    So you can get 10 from each sheet? Do not need 300 bottoms boards.

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Před 2 lety

      Yes, 10 from each sheet. We need many more than this each year.