After leveling my personas to rank 8, I own this guy with my unique skills and GRAND CROSS for an epic finisher. I really hope these bosses get a little harder
tbf this was also mentioned in both p4 and p3, with the respective problems of society wanting to not bother with what’s true and what isn’t, and society craving death
@LeonGun8 Your wrong, the Shadow Selves in Persona 2 ARE their true selves. They just happen to have free will unlike the ones in Persona 4 as they were compressed inside for a long time, thus with free will, they are able to summon their Reverse Personas instead of turning into the characters' Personas as the originals already have theirs, also to know that the characters (besides Maya and Tatsuya depending on his choices) are more willing to accept their Shadows unlike the ones in 4 as the former have each other and the latter being weak-minded as they have just knew each other.
“Your dream is to go to college...yet even if you continue your studies, do you honestly think you’ll be able to go to college now?” “idk but rumors making the city turning into a literal spaceship where cultists and fucking nazis are at war with each other over alien secrets might answer that question”
P2 EP is a world having been reset at the end of P2 IS because of the death of Maya. If somehow you fail to "reset" the world, P2 EP wouldn't happen, thus there would be no P3, P4 and P5
I hope Persona 6 will have a talking protagonist. Also, Maya from EP is an even worse silent protagonist than Tatsuya because Tatsuya himself is portrayed as taciturn and loner even in EP, while Maya not only has backstory from IS, but in IS she was very chatty. Atlus, stop that Social Link crap and give me a talking and deeply characterized protagonist!
***** Silent protagonists belong in WRPGs like Skyrim where you have full control over them, but Persona is NOT a WPRG, is a JRPG, a story-driven game, and in JRPGs you have no control over the story and I can't care for a mute, I just can't! emember that the protagonist is not us, it's his ACTIONS that are ours, but not the motivations! They're not palyer avatars, they're CHARACTERS and they need to be developed! And dont' get me started on those siletn protagonsits like Lucas from Mother 3, Maya from Persona 2 and Felix from Golden Sun, which are introduced as talking characters, until you actually play as them, then they're muted just for the sake of being self-inserts, which they aren't because they're estabilished characters! In a Persona fanfiction I'm writing the protagonist Hazan Kurosu is not silent and all the other Persona protagonists have speaking roles too (Samuel Kitagawa, the Boy with Earring from persona 1 that once was a Kurdish child soldier alongside his cousin Yusuke, Tatsuya Suou from persona 2, the Italian criminal Minato Arisato, protagonist of Persona 3, Yu Narukami from Persona 4, now the CEO of Nirvana Zaibatsu, and Akira Kurusu from Persona 5, whose nickname changed from Joker to Solid Snake)and a character named Albedo (real name: Mitsuo Kubo) clearly refers to him as the "talking protagonist" and a "being outside the control of Atlus" (he becomes silent when his body is taken over by the US Marine Flynn McDohl, whom Hazan is a clone of, but he gets his voice back after some chapters).
Well obviously they speak in fanfiction - would be weird if they didn't. Anyways, I just said that's why, not that I like it - in fact, I really don't... ... still waiting on my college/university setting, too... maybe P6...
***** I would prefer the protagonist to be a non-silent nerd (Hermit Arcana instead of the Fool), some party members to be adults instead of just the protagonist's classmates, Tatsuya Suou's return (Yu got too many games, while Tatsuya has been almost forgotten) and the Wild Card replaced by three different Personas for every party member that they can switch at will. There will also be an antagonist personally related to the protagonist's past. Death by leader defeat will also be removed (in P4 if Yu dies you die! INCREDIBLY LAME PUN BUT THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT IT'S VERY ANNOYING TO GET A GAME OVER EVEN IF YOSUKE IS STILL ALIVE!) and probably every chapter will have a different lead until a certain point where the lead becomes the nerd I've mentioned before.
because the shadows in this game is a doppelganger born from a rumor not a shadow concept in P4 who is one suppressed self thats why in this game the shadow can use persona and in P4 they are the persona
plus, why not? some people like hearing japanese voices and still being able to understand what is being said. i mean are you hearing Apollo? his voice sounds like a badass of justice. I personally would want to know what's being said!
like i said it's all a matter of taste and preference. you can't tell the tone of japanese so you go with the dub when possible, others may choose the original voices because they can. watch enough undubbed anime and one might have a good idea of the tone. judging your argument however seems to imply it's not something you're used to, but that is fine. Aren't we all lucky we have the choice to hear the media how we, as individuals, prefer!
i have my game informer right here and it said that eternal punishment was the only one released in america,and that innocent sin was released on the psp
it's all a matter of taste sometimes one prefers the sound of Japanese voices, especial if it has one of there favorite VAs. honestly most fans of Japanese games and culture prefer Japanese voices in game. Maybe they don't like how their voice and attitude is portrayed in English, so they go with the original tone in the Japanese version. Me personally however, does enjoy the dubs for 3+4. it's all a matter of taste. it's the differences about us that make the world go round!
I want to like thisgame, however it freezes near the beginning, when Eikichi summons Rhadamanthus for the ifrst time. How can I prevent this game from freezing and play it? Remember that I'm using WiiSX Beta 2 and both IS and EP freeze in the scenes where the protagonists summon their Personas.
***** In the WIISX compatibility list its said that Persona 2 IS works perfectly on WIISX beta 2, but it doesn't. No matter how many times I try, the game still freezes and I don't know how to prevent it.
... Does anyone know a site where I can download the firsts Persona games ? Started the serie way too late to be able to buy them, since they are not so popular in Europe...
I suppose. Honestly when I listen to a Japanese voice clip, I can't exactly tell the tone of it or what the person's mood is i.e. is the person who's yelling happy or scared? One has to understand what they're saying. I guess that's where the undub part comes in but it's still only half the story. In my eyes to fully understand a story one needs to watch and listen to it in their native language, and that's where the confusion was coming from.
Am I the only one who can't stand the old American localization of the spell names? Maralagidyne just looks a lot better than Maha-Agidhain. PSP Innocent Sin undub is great, though. Patches in the Japanese voices you use with the cleaned-up battle menus and such.
I think Maya is quite the canoncial love interest, reasons: * Lisa / Ginko cannot be it, because of being too immature. * Jun cannot be the canoncial one, because, then even the original P2EP would have not come to the west, because homosexuality was a more diffifcult topic back in the 90's
I can understand undubbing the Persona 2 duology since the voices aren't that great, but I honestly cannot understand why anybody would do the same for Persona 3 and 4. You might as well watch the Spanish version of Dracula. Same acting quality, but in a language you can't understand. Wonderful.
They aren't your real Shadow Selves, they are fakes made to taunt your characters and throw them off their guard. They explore this concept again in P4 Arena and point out the impossibility of a real Shadow being able to use a Persona, or you being able to use the Persona (a Shadow and a Persona are flip sides of the same coin).
I can understand if it's something like Persona 2 or a 4Kids dub where the English isn't exactly stellar, but it rapes and boggles my mind to think people would rather play undubs of games like Persona 3 and 4, where the voice acting is absolutely some of the best I've heard. I can't understand why undubs are so popular. Do people just hate the sound of English? What makes Japanese so much better than your native language?
VostokTheROBOT There is huge amount of dubs Some of them are good, some are not Most of them are not. Eather acting is bad or the voice itself doesn't feet. Even in the persona 3, Fuuka's VA untill the answer was bad. By the answer she got better. And sometimes people love to play/watch the original.
+Jeremy M Although I strongly agree with you in regards to P1 & P2 (that, and the only character I legitimately liked from P4 was Adachi), We still have no clue how Persona 5 will actually be so it would be best to save judgement about P5 until we actually get it, you know? My hope is that P5 rivals that of P1 & P2, esp. P2 IMHO
Yeah, I stopped the video when Shadow Tatsuya started speaking Japanese. Why have the English subtitles if you're going to change the voices? That just seems really pointless.
![Persona 2 Innocent Sin Boss Shadow Tatsuya [Hard]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ujFjqrggUv8/mqdefault.jpg)
Tatsuya: I'm you and you're me
Shadow Tatsuya: fuck...
Well, guess I'll become myself...
even back then before Persona 5, society is a problem as Shadow Tatsuya said
So... Atlus is... Just..
Shadow Tatsuya predicted Persona 5....
@@tonyknighton4019 Has Epitaph
Pretty much a series wide theme.
tbf this was also mentioned in both p4 and p3, with the respective problems of society wanting to not bother with what’s true and what isn’t, and society craving death
Damn, S. Tatsuya's Japanese Voice is so damn menacing, I like it
you probably know already, but he's voiced by DIO.
Interesting!
Tatsuya is the best overall :D (but yeah it's a nice voice!)
Hey I'm doing a Persona 2 Fan animation using drawings I made myself over on my channel, I uploaded a trailer and I'd love to hear what you think!
Bloody Honeymoon casted by the lord of the Underworld himself, Eikichi is definitely 400% metal.
The shadows in this persona game get straight to the point unlike the p4 shadows
Don't know what you mean by that.
Theyre kind of pushovers as bosses though. Except Shadow Maya.
A persona that can stop time, and that voice... DIO!
@LeonGun8 Your wrong, the Shadow Selves in Persona 2 ARE their true selves. They just happen to have free will unlike the ones in Persona 4 as they were compressed inside for a long time, thus with free will, they are able to summon their Reverse Personas instead of turning into the characters' Personas as the originals already have theirs, also to know that the characters (besides Maya and Tatsuya depending on his choices) are more willing to accept their Shadows unlike the ones in 4 as the former have each other and the latter being weak-minded as they have just knew each other.
Hmmm. I never knew that..
i hope they bring back this kind of thing of the shadows true selves in future persona games. Persona 5 have none of that and it was different
Maya never accepted her shadow
“Your dream is to go to college...yet even if you continue your studies, do you honestly think you’ll be able to go to college now?”
“idk but rumors making the city turning into a literal spaceship where cultists and fucking nazis are at war with each other over alien secrets might answer that question”
P2 IS takes place in another world, but P2 EP it's actually in the same timeline as 3 and 4.
Indeed...
P2 EP is a world having been reset at the end of P2 IS because of the death of Maya. If somehow you fail to "reset" the world, P2 EP wouldn't happen, thus there would be no P3, P4 and P5
would it be P1 -> P2EP -> P3 FES-> P4G?
DivineLion yes
@@maramba32 Basically,
P1 -> P2IS
⬇️ (universal reset)
P1 -> P2EP -> P3 -> P4 -> P5
Tatsuya is in a relationship with a guy if you, the player, opt to say that he likes that guy.
@tetification
He's a senior (18 years old). He's not supposed to sound like a kawaiidesuyaoiboy like P3 or P4
man..apollo is so freakin cool in both japanese and english xD
well we know jun does but tatsuya's relations with..all the characters really are up to the player XD
It's open to the player's choice. Canonically though, it leans mostly to Maya.
KONO DIO DA!!!!
Shadow tatsuya sounded like a robot.
Tasuya looks cute when he’s a demo or shadow
2:29 "ZA WARUDO!!!"
I think Tatsuya can stop stime.... :O
if i recall" Dios voice actor actually voices Tatsuya so ye
NOVA KAISAH
PERSONA ZA WARDO TOKITO TOMORE RORDODALA
THE SHADOW IS A LIE TATSUYA IS WAY MORE TALKATIVE THAN THAT!
Dio brando vs shadow Dio in persona part 2 inconet
@FenrirWeapon I agree, after all Tatsuya is a badass and should sound like one.
@FenrirWeapon If Tatsuya is a 3rd year high school student, that only makes him a year older than the P3 and P4 protags during their games.
OH MY GOD. I'm a fucking idiot. Just remembered Innocent Sin isn't officially dubbed in English on the PS1..
Shadow Tatsuya is probably one of the worst shadows. He doesn't have much to go on seeing as the protagonist is silent.
I hope Persona 6 will have a talking protagonist.
Also, Maya from EP is an even worse silent protagonist than Tatsuya because Tatsuya himself is portrayed as taciturn and loner even in EP, while Maya not only has backstory from IS, but in IS she was very chatty.
Atlus, stop that Social Link crap and give me a talking and deeply characterized protagonist!
Never happening - silence sells... or something.
***** Silent protagonists belong in WRPGs like Skyrim where you have full control over them, but Persona is NOT a WPRG, is a JRPG, a story-driven game, and in JRPGs you have no control over the story and I can't care for a mute, I just can't!
emember that the protagonist is not us, it's his ACTIONS that are ours, but not the motivations! They're not palyer avatars, they're CHARACTERS and they need to be developed!
And dont' get me started on those siletn protagonsits like Lucas from Mother 3, Maya from Persona 2 and Felix from Golden Sun, which are introduced as talking characters, until you actually play as them, then they're muted just for the sake of being self-inserts, which they aren't because they're estabilished characters!
In a Persona fanfiction I'm writing the protagonist Hazan Kurosu is not silent and all the other Persona protagonists have speaking roles too (Samuel Kitagawa, the Boy with Earring from persona 1 that once was a Kurdish child soldier alongside his cousin Yusuke, Tatsuya Suou from persona 2, the Italian criminal Minato Arisato, protagonist of Persona 3, Yu Narukami from Persona 4, now the CEO of Nirvana Zaibatsu, and Akira Kurusu from Persona 5, whose nickname changed from Joker to Solid Snake)and a character named Albedo (real name: Mitsuo Kubo) clearly refers to him as the "talking protagonist" and a "being outside the control of Atlus" (he becomes silent when his body is taken over by the US Marine Flynn McDohl, whom Hazan is a clone of, but he gets his voice back after some chapters).
Well obviously they speak in fanfiction - would be weird if they didn't.
Anyways, I just said that's why, not that I like it - in fact, I really don't...
... still waiting on my college/university setting, too... maybe P6...
***** I would prefer the protagonist to be a non-silent nerd (Hermit Arcana instead of the Fool), some party members to be adults instead of just the protagonist's classmates, Tatsuya Suou's return (Yu got too many games, while Tatsuya has been almost forgotten) and the Wild Card replaced by three different Personas for every party member that they can switch at will.
There will also be an antagonist personally related to the protagonist's past.
Death by leader defeat will also be removed (in P4 if Yu dies you die! INCREDIBLY LAME PUN BUT THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT IT'S VERY ANNOYING TO GET A GAME OVER EVEN IF YOSUKE IS STILL ALIVE!) and probably every chapter will have a different lead until a certain point where the lead becomes the nerd I've mentioned before.
Dio!
because the shadows in this game is a doppelganger born from a rumor not a shadow concept in P4 who is one suppressed self thats why in this game the shadow can use persona and in P4 they are the persona
I'm still waiting for the PSP remake here in Argentina XD
Dio vs Diego
More like: Shingo vs DIO
plus, why not? some people like hearing japanese voices and still being able to understand what is being said. i mean are you hearing Apollo? his voice sounds like a badass of justice. I personally would want to know what's being said!
3:50 > that was big show
I am a shadow, the true self!
like i said it's all a matter of taste and preference. you can't tell the tone of japanese so you go with the dub when possible, others may choose the original voices because they can. watch enough undubbed anime and one might have a good idea of the tone. judging your argument however seems to imply it's not something you're used to, but that is fine. Aren't we all lucky we have the choice to hear the media how we, as individuals, prefer!
more than a friend could mean best friends or serious relationship
Good vid man but what lvl where you?
@Amuro1X Growth spurs, apparently. Or he's just naturally mature. Either way, I think his voice fits.
i have my game informer right here and it said that eternal punishment was the only one released in america,and that innocent sin was released on the psp
@Amuro1X Just means those protagonists aren't completely through puberty yet. :P
it's all a matter of taste sometimes one prefers the sound of Japanese voices, especial if it has one of there favorite VAs. honestly most fans of Japanese games and culture prefer Japanese voices in game. Maybe they don't like how their voice and attitude is portrayed in English, so they go with the original tone in the Japanese version. Me personally however, does enjoy the dubs for 3+4. it's all a matter of taste. it's the differences about us that make the world go round!
Is his voice actor dio???! :0
Yes Dio brando vs shadow DIO from part 2
I want to like thisgame, however it freezes near the beginning, when Eikichi summons Rhadamanthus for the ifrst time.
How can I prevent this game from freezing and play it?
Remember that I'm using WiiSX Beta 2 and both IS and EP freeze in the scenes where the protagonists summon their Personas.
I dont know, I dont hear that happening often?
***** In the WIISX compatibility list its said that Persona 2 IS works perfectly on WIISX beta 2, but it doesn't. No matter how many times I try, the game still freezes and I don't know how to prevent it.
Did you look around?
Or maybe try the PSP version, it's better in every way and works fine for me (though I wish that someone would bother with EP PSP)
***** I don't have a PSP
Well said.
... Does anyone know a site where I can download the firsts Persona games ? Started the serie way too late to be able to buy them, since they are not so popular in Europe...
@FenrirWeapon Egh, they're not THAT kawaiidesudesuyaoidesukun.
Grand Cross
well, that was quick...
@FenrirWeapon are you caling the voice actor for ichigo from bleach a kawaiidesuyaoiboy
yeah but this is a fan translation of innocent sin on psx i know cause the interface is different(and i have played the psp version alreay)
I just bought this game in Japanese is there a big difference compared to other persona games I beat 3 and 5
I suppose. Honestly when I listen to a Japanese voice clip, I can't exactly tell the tone of it or what the person's mood is i.e. is the person who's yelling happy or scared? One has to understand what they're saying. I guess that's where the undub part comes in but it's still only half the story. In my eyes to fully understand a story one needs to watch and listen to it in their native language, and that's where the confusion was coming from.
is this the PS1 on an emulator or the PSP version of the game ?
Is this game on PS1? And is everything in english except the voice overs?
@Amuro1X Mianto/Hamuko and Souji are only 16, and, by the end, 17. And in Eternal Punishment, Tatsuya is around 20, making him almost as old as Maya.
@Wolfss2
55-57 range
Crazy how they had all this in P2, back way before P4 even came out.
No kidding.
What a dumb fucking comment
Am I the only one who can't stand the old American localization of the spell names? Maralagidyne just looks a lot better than Maha-Agidhain. PSP Innocent Sin undub is great, though. Patches in the Japanese voices you use with the cleaned-up battle menus and such.
Why I think they speech so fast.. BTW Apollo's voice remind me my favorite seiyuu..
But then in EP he acts as if he liked Maya lol
I think Maya is quite the canoncial love interest, reasons:
* Lisa / Ginko cannot be it, because of being too immature.
* Jun cannot be the canoncial one, because, then even the original P2EP would have not come to the west, because homosexuality was a more diffifcult topic back in the 90's
So this is gameplay of Innocent Sin Online?
deadreplying but nah this is Persona 2: Innocent sin, the playstation 1 version.
@FenrirWeapon lmao, a kawaii desu yaoi boy? =P That made me laugh
when is this in the story?
I can understand undubbing the Persona 2 duology since the voices aren't that great, but I honestly cannot understand why anybody would do the same for Persona 3 and 4. You might as well watch the Spanish version of Dracula. Same acting quality, but in a language you can't understand. Wonderful.
They aren't your real Shadow Selves, they are fakes made to taunt your characters and throw them off their guard. They explore this concept again in P4 Arena and point out the impossibility of a real Shadow being able to use a Persona, or you being able to use the Persona (a Shadow and a Persona are flip sides of the same coin).
I Really like this game but I cringed when Maya made that cheesy comment about friends.
ThunBeast i mean thats a thing present in the whole series so eh
O oh p4 style
But isn't Tatsuya, in a relationship with a guy? How does that not make him a yaoiboy?
I can understand if it's something like Persona 2 or a 4Kids dub where the English isn't exactly stellar, but it rapes and boggles my mind to think people would rather play undubs of games like Persona 3 and 4, where the voice acting is absolutely some of the best I've heard. I can't understand why undubs are so popular. Do people just hate the sound of English? What makes Japanese so much better than your native language?
VostokTheROBOT
There is huge amount of dubs
Some of them are good, some are not
Most of them are not. Eather acting is bad or the voice itself doesn't feet. Even in the persona 3, Fuuka's VA untill the answer was bad. By the answer she got better.
And sometimes people love to play/watch the original.
Atlus better remake persona 1,2
It's insanely abnormal. It doesn't sound fitting at all. Smh
Persona 1 and 2 will always be the best games in the series. Persona 3, 4 and 5 are a sham and insult to the series.
+Jeremy M Although I strongly agree with you in regards to P1 & P2 (that, and the only character I legitimately liked from P4 was Adachi), We still have no clue how Persona 5 will actually be so it would be best to save judgement about P5 until we actually get it, you know? My hope is that P5 rivals that of P1 & P2, esp. P2 IMHO
+Jeremy M I like p3 and p4 better though
+Jeremy M That's the nostalgia talking.
thats your ignorace talking
i love them all equally
except p3 FUCK TARTATUS
The joke Junpei made about Tartarus.
It made him hungry Tartar sauce
Yeah, I stopped the video when Shadow Tatsuya started speaking Japanese. Why have the English subtitles if you're going to change the voices? That just seems really pointless.
I don't like Tatsuya's voice. It's just to grown up for a teenager.