Yuval Noah Harari and Bari Weiss in Conversation - New York Times 'Times Talk'
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- Watch Prof. Yuval Noah Harari and New York Times Op-Ed editor and writer Bari Weiss discuss pressing current issues - at this New York Times 'Times Talk'. Their conversation covers big questions, from the role of global cooperation and nationalism to whether humans will continue to have free will or become hackable beings in the future.
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This is probably my 20th interview/lecture from Harari and even though it gets repetitive, I keep learning new things.
Sweep Stakes me too!!
@@Kastled5 I think Bari's questions were so good. I've noticed when you get Yuval in a room with a woman, usually they're warm-hearted, he responds so nicely to that. More humour and he's more lively. It's so nice to watch.
However, when Bari made that comment about Reagan it rubbed me the wrong way so bad. It's like she wasn't listening to Yuval at all. Taking credit on behalf of Reagan was tribalism - our american team actually made that happen - rather than letting go of the divisions and admiring the difficulty of what Gorbachev had to do. It's the NY Times, so she's likely liberal but it was a very yucky moment.
@@smallsignals If I look at Indian philosophy and values, giving up is held with highest moral values. It is indeed a signature of ultimate mental capabilities.
History has observed few more characters like, Gautam Buddha, a born Prince, left palace in pursuit of an answer to real human suffering. Emperor Asoka gave up his conquering skills in pursuit of peace and harmony that promoted Buddha's message well beyond his empire.
Yes, nothing can match Gorvachov and his team, the real heroes silently disappeared in our history.
It again make the proverb work, history we read is what is created by the winners.
Me too
When I grow up I want to be Yuval Noah Harari. I'm in my 40's and still have a long way to go though. One can dream.
Better learn from him and be yourself, as for ex. there is a possibility, that you can add value by merging your experience & mind with his.
Why would you want to be anybody than yourself?
@@JasonGafar It was a joke.
I’ve watched lots of Yuval’s Interviews, which were all refreshing and thought provoking. This time, I have to pay my respect and appreciation to the interviewer. She’s a good listener and coherent and fast in critical thinking while listening, and not hesitated to raise up the doubts over Yuval’s thoughts. I can see Yuval enjoyed the interview very much, as he made jokes and laughed much more than in any other interviews I watched before. I’d like to hear more of this pair talking. Thank you for the good time.
So you have issue with her statement that it’s China that cannot be trusted in the China vs US and that US will always be in the right????? Shows your ignorance
@@willgates8383 Xi Jin Ping, Putin and Rocket Man cannot be trusted. Zero balance, undisputed power concentration (where one person cannot handle the complexities). The legal system, the military, the press, censorship, etc., whatever or whomever gets their attention.
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I actually lost respect for Bari during this interview. Her American arrogance came shining through with her comments about soccer/football and Gorbachev/Reagan.
I love your brain Yuval! And Bari is also brilliant and the best interviewer ever! Great comments and questions, and does not interrupt her guest.
The interviewer does not interrupt!!! How refreshing 👍
Nice to hear someone famous acknowledge Gorbachev in this manner.
Yes, the host tried few ways to diminish that but it didn’t work with somebody that knows how things really went
Once again. Refreshed, Sad, Elated, Confused and apprehensive. All at the same time. Thanks Yuval. Greetings from India
Thanks, Yuval!
Greetings from Serbia
I was impressed with her eugenics point. It really was on the spot, delivered well, and left him without an adequate answer... And there might be none.
The interiewer is the best I've seen. Many have interviewed Harari, but their questions are so predictable, so dull, so unimaginative that it seems like Harari wrote them himself. Bari begins with a question that woke everyone up - most of all Harari, who, I'm sure, was never asked this in front of an audience. You can see his reaction of delight - he's thinking, "at last - someone asking me questions I haven't heard before." I have to search for her other interviews.
Yes, this
She’s brilliant!
Great ideas!
Thank you so much for your thinking way. Nice to see you at least in videos!
I hope one Day know you in person.
Greetings from Mexico 🇲🇽
Se vale soñar jejeje
I love Bari Weiss!!!
I love you Yuvali!!! You give me powers to exist!!!
Such a great guy!, humble, knowledgable, likable, ...
By far the best interview done to Yuval Noah Harari
It's great to hear him. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
This really made me think a lot! Thank you, Yuval.✨
Really liked Bari's questions and observations!!
Of all of Harri’s interviews I’ve heard, I like this one best! Special thanks to the Interviewer!
A great pairing.
I admire your vision and story telling talent. I have made it a mission to listen to every discussion and your panel . Thank you for sharing your knowledge...🌍❤
Right now I can't get enough of Harari. Very refreshing message of reason.
@22:45: "TRUTH IS LIKE AN ACID. ANYTHING YOU PUT IN IT DISSOLVES"
Fascinating talk, question, and answer inquiry into the insights of featured brilliant individuals. Thank you 😈☻♥️🖤
I think Yuval is an extra terrestrial, I am almost convinced... Look at him guys!
Jing uyen, yes I did enjoy this interview👍
This played automatically after a Barri Weiss interview (Unkommon Knowledge) - and I almost skipped it being annoyed at the fact, that a "former newspaper" (now misinformation / propaganda outlet) had sqeezed itself into my feed.... but this promises to be interesting! (Read Hararis book a couple of years ago - excellent!)
Fascinating ! Only sharp minds have such humour !
Here is HOW.
1) Accept that we are all selfish.
2) Realize that cooperating is a selfish action.
3) Become aware of the priorities.
4) Start thinking about ways to solve.
5) Adapt
Humans are designed to adapt, but there will be an adjusting period. (letting go of identities etc) People who adapt quickly will help and comfort those who are resistant. The adjusting period will eventually end. Never underestimate the power of getting USED TO something. Things will change again. Repeat the process.
We have to take these steps at the individual level as well as at the organization level to make an impact.
“Do you admire Reagan?”
“I don’t know, I’ve never thought about it”
🤣🤣🤣
Great .. and she asked good questions
Love your lectures and interviews. There is a lot of opening-eyes wisdom in them. But.. please use the terms phenomenon (singular) and phenomena (plural) correctly. Thanks for sharing.
It's true that international cooperation helped prevent nuclear annihilation during the Cold War, but on occasion it was specifically thanks to individuals who have been mostly forgotten. I can't list all of them. I would like to mention two at least, so that people may learn more about the subject and the people. They are Vasili Arkhipov and Stanislav Petrov.
I'm a bit dumb. Could one of you tell me what Toady means?
hahahahahahah
My Hero....
very good interviewer and very interesting interviewee. As an added thought on manipulation think of the power of Madison avenue and its benefits & costs in convincing us what to do think feel wear eat live move around etc. It helped get us to where we are 7.5 billion while simultaneously creating a millstone of biosphere damage
I think it is a very enjoyable talk, and furthermore, it makes me wonder, among other dozens of questions, about if I can imagine how can a man like Yuval Harari grow up in a country like Poland or Russia nowadays? No, I can't. When he speaks about his husband, the genius behind the books, he looks quite happy and proud. How many valuable people may a society burn arguing they don't enjoy the sex "with the gender they should"? Do they win as much as they lose with that insensitive punishment? I have no doubt.
I am looking to apply some of these ideas in proposal for better cyber security.
@1:10:33 I agree. "It should be enough!"...
So, then, why is it not, nor ever and or never, enough?!?!?!?
Netflix needs a Yuval documentary. It will benefit a lot of people.
Me thinks the New Yorker profile will suffice (have no desire to see him meditating,).
Yuval Noah Wordsalad and Bairly Zeitgeist !
Bari like a missile right to the point. I like that. She gets it.
Yuval: "It is not impossible." That says a lot.
We human beings have a mandate to explore ourselves first ! ! ! ( Know Thyself )
nice question/answer @ 47:20
Yuval be bold & take the plunge into the Spiritual world!
He’s there with Satan
... the higher the wall, the deeper the tunnel ...
... Truth is like an Acid :: Every Thing that is put into IT -- DISSOLVES! ...
Noah has filled the world with a boat filled with knowledge...it is hard work
The movie Elysium was a documentary
נהדר. פשוט נפלא. קצת חבל לי שעדיין אין לך סמארטפון כדי לקרוא תגובות ביוטיוב. אבל אשמח אם באחת מההרצאות שלך תזכיר פעם את עניין השפה בתור נקודת אור שאנו יכולים לנסות להתחיל בה. שפה אחת או שתיים כלל עולמיות כגשר ראשון לגלובליציה (בהולנד למשל כבר ישנה הצעה ממשלתית רצינית לוותר על ההולנדית כשפת המדינה).
הרצאה מעולה כהרגלך. אהבתי את הגיבור שלך גורבצ'וב. חשיבה די מהפכנית
(יש גם את הצד השני שיצא לך בהרצאה עם דן אריאלי שאולי פרס נובל לשלום צריך להינתן ל *ממציאי* פצצת האטום.
כשיש השמדה הדדית מובטחת כולם יתנהגו כמו גורבצ'וב לבסוף. גם אירן ופקיסטן וצפון קוריאה. אדוארד טלר טען להגנתו שיש גרף צונח של מספר המתים במלחמות החל משנת 45 - עד שנות האלפיים ואין סיבה לחשוב שמשהו ישתנה.
אגב עוד אדם שויתר על פצצת האטום הוא פושע המלחמה הארי ס טרומן. (הירושימה ונגסאקי) שלמעשה דחה את הצעתו של גנרל מקרארתור לנצל את היתרון האדיר של ארהב מ45 לכבוש את סין בעזרת האטום ולהחריב את העולם הסובייטי עד היסוד כמו יפן. ולהעלים את הפצצה)
1-listener + writer - reader = talker
2-Reader = Talker - listener
He is an amazing, outstanding human being🌏❤️🙏🏻🌈✨🌱
First question to the guest; " should I have kids?" ...
If you want to have kids, have them. If not then do not. Because if you don't someone else will who has the courage to do so.
Great interviewer. Harari is a beacon in these bewildering times. His wisdom, intelligence and vision is here, at this time, for humankind. All people... everywhere can benefit from reading his books and listening to his consistent, brilliant, engaging interviews.
32:20 well ego can suffer; is ego real?
No,its seemingly fiction created by us .....i dont think ego suffer...its we who believe in egoistic thought nd suffer
31:15 he is answering question about rising the children
The story of our lifetime ought to be about solving the existential threats, as in other case, "we" will have nothing i.e. there is no future/meaning. we had a good run here in Finland after the World War 2, as Finnish people were united.
Nationalism, patriotism, fine - not so much for existing threats and anxieties: nuclear war, (annihilating & destructive weapons & wars), climate change (CO2 levels in atmosphere, warming water/soil temperatures, rising sea levels, intense weather, melting ice) and AI jobs disruption (capitalism economic growth based on consumption paradigm, finite resources & extraction). I would add income distribution & income inequlity, immigration).
32:53
🤔 ”How do you call it here?”
*🙄 ”Soccer, Yuval”*
@48:28...
Free will doesn't exist, but deterrence is effective. Very dangerous.
"I think in centuries not in hours";Yuval.
INDIVIDUOLOGY is the only way to be safe & not find ourselves hacked !
Excellent, and
Thanks harai love From BANGLADESH 🇧🇩
... TIK TOK ... does seem to tell those ' most compelling " stories ...
JCF.org has been telling all of us that a new worldview is in order. Especially, one that does away with out-groups. The whole world is new in-group. Somehow we must incorporate the four functions of mythology and the entire world!
A.I. Needs a mythological story too. Stories inform us how to act & are instructive. The world's environment would be an excellent place to incorporate such a mythology.
Joseph Campbell
"THE STORY DOESN'T NEED TO BE TRUE. IT NEEDS TO BE EFFECTIVE" @22:10
That is how propaganda works, doesn't it?
... ' Die Botschaft Bestimmen Die Empfangenden " ...
I greatly admire this man and grateful for him bringing up all these issues for discussion. I disagree however that all are stories that have no base, and that all stories are equally right.
We know that it is wired in ourselves to preserve our individual life and defend it strongly against attack. So 'love thy self' is definitely a 'true story' that is basic and written in our genes. But if you think deep, you can't love yourself and kill everybody else, or kill the rest of the living kingdom. We are weak as individuals and we as a result, need our brothers, neighbors, the living kingdom, and the environment to survive. This lead to the mother of all rules; Right is what preserves life and wrong is what doesn't.
1:02:40
- Not clear if being gods is thought as a good or not really good thing
- Why killer robots are that bad thing, how far out diferente are we already from it and what will be the correspondent technology that will be developed for our safety and so many other positive uses?
- 48:26 Most important investment is mental balance and emotional intelligence
Why can't he get a nobel prize for literature?
because it is a very elitist prize and harari's works are accessible to the people outside academia.
Harrari has not thought of anything new, he is simply delivering the already known message. And due to his popularity, it would seem many people hadn't thought of the things he has said.
The literature nobel prize will only be given to works that also have a strong emphasis on style and prosaic magnificience. E.g. they will give it to the author who tells a story and not the the author who tells you why you like reading stories.
Allah has to go from this world for harmony within human beings.
Isn't that vacancy our real goal?
זו אחת השיחות שהכי הצחיקו אותי. הרי לפי כל הידוע לנו יובל צריך להגיד להם, עיתונאים, מהרו לחפש עבודה אחרת. ולהטיח בפניהם שוב ושוב את "מתי אבר בהסטוריה של העולם לא היו פייק ניוז?" אבל קלאסי. זה מגיע לקהלים חדשים. אז גם אפשר להכניס עוד יותר טיםה לטראמפ שהוא פסיק שיעלם בהסטוריה. השיחה עם תומס פרידמן היתה קורעת לראות את תומס מתפייט על העבר ועל הפוליצר וחצי שהוא קטף על סכסוך בדרום מזרח חור בעולם, ברגשנות מפגרת מול יובל שמיישיר מבט קר ל1000 השנים הבאות ונקודות הפתיחה שלהם ככ שונות. הזוי
26:00 😂
Yuval is so REFRESHING ...
It's always great to listen smart people
Yes, global cooperation (free trade, free markets, free people) must be the goal as we are all humans on Earth. We are not responsible for taking care of one another, but we do need trust and cooperate to advance without significant problems coming.
Today's nationalism is more isolationist, but that is the first step before heading towards people wanting to kill over it.
People die for human rights, for nations, for a cause, all of which are "not real" in that we perhaps invented them, but just because we invented them doesn't make them not real. A nation is very real, even if it's a human construct.
And what we invent is entirely "natural" lest we're to pretend a bird's nest is not natural.
Yuval discusses this in the book. Something akin to humans live in 2 realities: the natural world and our shared imagination. Nations, corporations, and currency exist only in our shared imagination. It isn't comprised of any matter. And of course, we literally exist in this universe too.
I feel like any attempt to create a global government would catalyze an explosion of decentralization. Not talking about nationalism either. We'd see nationalities collapsing into tribes and global corporations being ripped apart. I think nation states hold back maximum decentralization. The global advocates want to integrate the world but they have no military to protect any global government. It would be like Yugoslavia or Libya the world over. How exactly does he expect to pass a law that will be enforced unwillingly in china? This sort of globalism worked when all economic power was concentrated in the us and Western Europe throughout the postwar era, but now the world is decentralized. European and us elites agree with each other on these sorts of things, but they aren't alone in control anymore. China, India, how on earth does a declining us and a fractured eu hope to coerce china or India to bow their heads to the extinguishing post wwii western ideology? I think that the future is probably going to be less and less influenced by western ideas and institutions. I don't see how the europeans will be able to keep control of global trade forever and I don't think they're going to be able to set the agenda of the 21st century the way they've been able to for the past 500 years......
Sad how some of the Jewish people have left their faith behind.
To say the religion of love (Christianity) turned out to be the most intolerant religion in history requires further exploration, conversation, and clarification.
Agreed! The Woke movement (which most woke members criticize Christianity) is turning into authoritarien intolerance itself. It seems like human nature to drift to extremes.
How does Yuval frequently get time away from his job to attend these talks? Is it during vacation time? Or does he apply for leave? Is it paid leave?
Who he works for pays extraordinarily well, has to so employees are willing to put their consciences in the deep freeze
She is dangerously misinformed
I Terrance, after studying 5 decades of the most prolific subjects, from Philosophy to Physics to Metaphysics and coined the word ( INDIVIDUOLOGY ) ..it's the practical Science that will be applied .. Ones own ology ! ! ! !⚖️
I WISH TO KNOW IF HARARI WROTE THE ORIGINAL VERSION OF HIS BOOK IN HEBREW OR ENGLISH.
Thank you for your answer in advance.
Perhaps we should explore if this type of condition will drive mankind to come to our senses and galvanise the world: a compelling story (with real evidences) of imminent global extinction level event or events (including from the cosmos) 🤓🤪
If you want to avoid a dystopia first, stop using plastic bottles - C'mon!!!
Marie Nimo indeed stop using all store offered packaging 👍🏻 just refuse it and leave it in the store😃
Knowledge is not neutral, it's subjective. However, given the facts he talks about are undeniable.
Our mind functions on the basis of belief system which is strong way beyonds anybody's imaginations. However, The crux of the discussion here whether AI would or have the potential to hack it the "mind" is debatable.
They way he talks about AI, it gives a glimpse that AI would inevitably Hack human mind.
Consequences: there will be conflicts, wars and catastrophe unfortunately.
This is how the world was and this is how the world is and this is how the world will be; Irrespective of the AI.
Excerpt from the sermon of imam Ali a.s
Humans will destroy this plant through their own decisions.
i don't understand your argument. nobody is denying that there will be conflicts for as long as humans exist on this earth. technological advancements, including the continued development of AI are simply one of the greatest and most immediate dangers that humanity will face in the near future. also, i don't think that it really is debatable that a point in time will come where advanced AI will have "hacked the mind", and i think that mr harari means by that something along the lines of AI and biotech gaining or enabling an understanding of "human nature" or the forces that govern human behaviour on a far more profound level than humans have before that point, a breakthrough of "objectively" understanding the human "mind" purely from future-tech analysis of human physiology.
His books and talks gives new direction to think. I am underwhelmed with the interviewer and the way she interrupts or drawing conclusions.
I think the reason everyone gives the moderators shit on all of the Yuval videos is that his ideas are from so far out of left field that most people don't know how to come up with a relevant response. I mean, could us commenters come up with a good response to what he's saying? It's almost like we just dont have the vocabulary or prerequisite knowledge to discuss this stuff because it's so completely new to the flow of ideas over the years
Yuval brilliant as always. The interviewer was a bit rude. Good anchoring, but rude.
Efforts toward transnationalism, like the European Union, have not "kinda failed" as the interviewer suggests
Not contesting it, but where would one fact check his statement that Christianity killed more people than other ideologies. If we put it up against other ideologies on a a per capita per annum basis does it still hold true? Communism? Science? Tribalism?
YUVAL brings ....SHAME .....upon the brilliant and blessed Jewish race, not to mention their GREATEST, compassionate, teacher, prophet, priest and soon coming king ..... YESHUA of Nazareth.... immanuel‼️‼️‼️
Maybe we need only libraries and all the university buildings available for discussions debates and research and all the bureaucrats and the business of teaching scratch to maintenance-
truth is like knowledge of God. i see no knowledge or possible interest in the possibility of the fact that a supreme being of existing.God exist and his rules exists.
Why don’t all the rich people start buying Electric cars for everybody that would be a step In the right direction I mean let’s get real here
This might be the difference between men and women? What kind of a host is this?
Deep Freeze ... Under Global Warming ...
Stay Home ... And "Zoom" ...
New Job ... Consists On ... Knowing Thyself ... Using SmartPhone ...
RePair ... ReUse ... ReCycle ...
For "Zero" Waste ... Thus Curtailing ... Garbage Mountain ...
Harari is one of the most intriguing and irritating thinkers today. I appreciate his eloquent arguments, and the thinking that he provokes. But, for someone who meditates 2 hours a day, his lack of self awareness is amazing.
His main shtick is to tell the story that humans live by stories. He acknowledges that this is essential for social cohesion, and is insightful enough to point out that even the liberal sacred cows such as human rights, are in his words "useful fictions". Let us first pause to consider that Harari's story itself must also be a fiction by his own definition.
Harari then makes the ridiculous claim that he is some how able to see through story to the "reality" underneath. This is a highly arrogant and unjustified claim. He earlier said that all humans see not through fact, equations or statistics, but through story. How has he managed to escape this human universal himself? This is made even more ridiculous by the fact that he is a professional storyteller, with thousands flocking to hear him tell stories, or to read stories in his book, and pat themselves on the back because they are now above other people who ignorantly continue to cling to stories. For a much more insightful consideration of what "reality" really is, see www.labri-ideas-library.org/store/Reality%20-%20Hans%20Rookmaaker.mp3
After tearing down everything we know as mere "stories", he blindly carries across assumptions that are only grounded in those stories. He does not provide a new basis for them. For example, when asked whether the rapist Bill Cosby should not be punished (because, according to Harari, no one has Free Will), Harari says of course he shouldn't be punished. But he should be put in jail anyway because it is a deterrent and for rehabilitation. This is a convenient answer that will satisfy a person with Liberal presuppositions, but is completely unjustified in Harari's hollowed out, allegedly "story free" world. It gets the Liberal New York Times audience uncritically nodding along with him, but is completely unjustified. If there is no free will, why assume that deterrence or rehabilitation will work? Even if they work, why are they worth the effort or cost? Why not simply execute Cosby and save all the effort? After all, human rights are a mere fiction according to Harari. His allegedly "story free" world does not provide the justification for the liberal ideas that he and his audience still cling to. Of course this was pointed out by Nietzsche over 100 years ago, but people are still blind to it. The best mental image for this kind of thinking is that of a monkey sitting on a branch while cutting it off with a saw.
Harari is scathing about religion. He casually dismisses Christianity with a ridiculous and unsubstantiated claim that this "religion of love" has killed more people than any other idea. He then points out that religion has been replaced by science as the primary method by which people get what they want (e.g. we go to the doctor first and only to the priest if desperate). This is an extremely ignorant misunderstanding of what religion is. The distinction is clear in his own example, where he cites the agreement that two ideological mortal enemies (Israel and Iran) share about Nuclear Physics. Both nations have nuclear programs, no doubt based on identical equations. But as Harari himself says, both nations have very different ideas about what they would like to do with a nuclear weapon. Harari's own definition of reality is based on suffering. Clearly, the ideological differences between the two nations could lead to a nuclear war and tremendous human suffering. So what is therefore more "real", the physics that allowed the bomb to be built, or the ideologies that caused the war? I assume Harari's naive solution would be to tell both sides to "forget" the "stories" they believe and just get on. But why would the default position be to get on? What does a society with no story even look like, and how can it be assumed that such a society would be at all "nice", which presumably means some kind of Liberal paradise where Harari and his NY Times audience could live happily ever after?
A true understanding of religion, particularly Christianity, is much more sophisticated than Harari's weak straw man. Christianity actually points out the true nature of reality, exactly the thing that Harari is grasping for. Christianity uses story, as Harari correctly observes, because that is the universal human tool for understanding reality. For anyone who has found the topics Harari explores interesting, I recommend looking into other thinkers who are not trapped by the same blind spot. For example, Jonothan Pageau czcams.com/video/-qGfkFlZKgA/video.html and thesymbolicworld.com/articles/there-is-no-literal-meaning-2/
Nice observation!