Reminds me of the ol' straight drive Franklin skidders. Nobody ever took time to line the brakes on them. You had to have a set of balls to run one in these mountains around here!
worked in logging 40 years.. seen a lot of things.. but one thing ill always remember ..668 Clark going over a clift .. 70 percent grade. die just as you said.. watched it flip 6 times end over end .....went 300ft, ....seat belt rig worked great.. man unbelted step out.. not hurt looking at how blessed he was... and slipped on a log... fell broke his jaw...true story.. in my time working i buries 3 very good friends,,, it not when you get hurt..it how bad are you going to be hurt!!!
We have a E625C which I was told is essentially a 635D. Same pumps and motors just no turnaround and no reverse fan. It used to have a hydraulic release spring applied multi-disc parkbrake on the tailshaft just behind the pivot. But Tigercat replaced that with a manual lever to calliper on centre disc. They said the original one we had were blowing apart. Getting to the point I got curious one day and turned her at the bottom of a little hill with a hill opposite so no harm could happen just to see what it would do. It stayed put with parkbrake off. Might have to try a bigger hill and for longer to see after seeing this. Another thing is they need a brake down the backend. Do a tailshaft on a big Hill and those front wheels won't pull her up. Had a worker back down to me one day when hand falling, he stopped and I walked behind to get the rope and pull it down over a side to get a log out. Well he put the blade down and it went on a greasy stick and one side boggie just happen to be on another greasy stick and as he lifted the front wheels off the ground the boggies counter rotated and she was off after me. (makes you move quick) when the boggie got off the stick (sapling) she stopped. Operator said he was pushing the brake harder and harder and she wouldn't stop. Oh and don't the brakes (or front brake) have an accumulator that are good for a few applications? Ours does.
Glad to hear everybody was alright . Years Ago I have seen a 655B John Deere Loader do the same . The operator in that incident wasnt hurt either . But He said he thought he needed to change his Levi's after that. Mack
cotontop3, I don't comment much, I want to start by saying that I'm glad to hear the outcome was good because that coulda went BAD many different ways. if that woulda articulated on him, like you said, no good. video does nothing to show the terrain we woked on. worked this same loggin for 4 yrs, S Ohio, KY and WV. seen many a rolled machine and had my share of O CRAP moments myself, a couple in a 635 in fact. I mostly ran a hydro-ax and skidder on those hills but also excavator for clean up. I can appreciate what you do my man, enjoy the videos from my easy chair and they still get the ticker pumpin!!
just started watching your vids. I cut trees in South Florida. Got my own thing going on down here but... watching you guys gives me that push to do better.. keep those vids coming!
Glad you guys are ok !! That could have been bad!! But you guys in that part of the south are in easy ground compared to what I grew up in we never had a grapple skidder they won't climb a rock cliff a deer can't get up so up here a tracked skidder works to pull em from a bluff mtn side. Then we take a cable skidder them onto the yard
Glad no one was hurt. I had dozer start rolling backwards off gooseneck as I dropped second ramp onto dovetail. All I could do was move and hope it didn't turnover. It rolled over ramps and off back of gooseneck hit ground but didn't roll over backwards.
looks likes a fun ride I have some pics of a yarder we just had go over landed on top of the 330 link belt with a dangle head on it nobody hurt but what a mess would like to share them with you if you would like . stay safe get logs
man scary scary I have had that to happen just think being on a old Skidder I have a old Timberjack 225 and it jump out of gear going backwards and it pick up some speed but I have a open door on my skidder but the different is win you a good operator and he is think and he using his head stay in the Skidder and ride it out but I know win its a drop off or a bluff everything is running in your head but the best thing is stay in it you have a good operator thums up be safe
I had a wild ride in a 648 D John Deere. died lost what little brakes I had, lucky I thought to drop the blade and hooked stump and got myself stopped before I went off a ravine. Its not when you lose control on something like that. Glad no one go hurt.
Park brake on a 648 is spring applied, hydraulic realeased... yeah I'd say there is a problem... not a hydraulic problem, but a hard part problem... lol
Hey I think Deere is the same way they will roll unless you shut the key off or pump the brakes a time or two... The accumulator stores two brake pumps worth of pressure..
+Logger Wade when I got in the machine, his cell phone was laying on top of where the key and switches are located. I figured the key got hit by the phone or hand when the phone was placed there but even with that happening the machine should have never moved an inch when the motor stopped. I'm gonna do a video to show what Tigercat did to the brake.
+TheTrapper70 No it wasn't the nitrogen that was the problem. I need to take a cover off the machine and and do a video and show what happened that made the brake system fail. The pins that hold the caliper on has some 2 cent cotter pins that keep them from sliding out. One of the cotter pins came out and allowed the caliper to move enough to where the brake pads would not lock down on the disk. We didn't even know that was a possibility that could happen but rest assured we check it multiple times a week now. Its kind of a poor design the way the caliper and pins are set up on that machine.
I'm so glad no one got hurt in this scary incident. You will all need some convincing from Tigercat that they find out exactly what did not work, why it stalled and get it sorted properly and correctly. How does the operator feel about getting back on this machine? It obviously started again in order to drive out the hole!
Just like riding a horse you get bucked of get back on if you are not hurt bad been there done that. Logging accident 1987 almost killed me, back logging 2 years later. I was piece cutter got paid by the cord.
I know there had to be a bad bad bad feeling to go backwards and can't stop I've been driving dump truck for over 30 years I can't imagine how that felt
we have a bobcat that would roll when you killed it and it was fine as long as you knew to park it flat. well our concrete guy was using one day when he stopped to take a phone call and rolled down a hill and into a big oak tree that kept him from falling in a deep creek. dad did the same thing one day and made pancakes out of a Jon boat and deer feeder that got in the way
Mississippi has some of the worst drop off I have ever seen except in the mountains. I was working installing growth and yield plots between Kosciusko and US 82 back in 1994. The guy I was working with was installing plot corners on 1/4 acre plots. He was measuring the distance for the last corner when he called back that this spot was not going to work. He yelled that there was no where to put the corner. I walked to him to see what the issue was. The spot where the post should have been was down about 40 feet. Just a straight drop off with no warning. Fairly flat and then nothing. The whole site was like that. Unit forester said it was due to severe erosion back when they used to farm cotton there. The area around Natchez was like that too but at least it was hilly.
How is the 635 operator? He hurt? Or does he have a log to get rid of. If I took that ride I'd have a log to get rid of for sure! Not fun when something like that happens!
I didn't have that exact instance happen but trucking down to wells nevada from Idaho at the state line road was good some snow ahead but didn't see any reports of ice on the road so I took her slow about 50ish on the safe side hit the state line where the road bends to the right and goes to a downhill slope it was all ice on a two lane road luckily I made it down but I was just as out of control loaded with tater chips my load maybe grossed 5,000 lbs in the box so basically I was empty weight and could only put roughly 5 grams of pressure on the brakes cuz anymore they'd lock up and that'd be a rap for me... big equipment no matter the breed and even in favorable conditions are dangerous you gotta be prepared for those times and learn from the past
Cottontop have u ever xconsidered getting a christy yarder? I am not a salesman don't worry but have seen them run. They are really easy to operate economical good production short time setup self propelled and just a few guys to operate there is a couple of videos on youtube that shows them operating
A lot of stuff is "supposed" to do this or that when something quits. Don't always happen and there's not always a "soft place" to land either. I've taken a ride or two like that and you're right, there's no fun in it. Glad everything turned out all right. We had a Moxie ar-tic truck's brakes fail and if the driver hadn't been a small guy, he wouldn't be here now. The cab was down on the steering wheel. He just got skinned and scraped. You tell me there's not a Higher Power and you have just proclaimed yourself to be a chrome-plated, 1st class idiot.
I’ve logged ground like that. I’d cut a big tree mainly beech and when I cut them off the stump they would jump 20 feet off the stump and take everything in front of them down. THANK THE LORD AMEN he wasn’t hurt Amen.
+cotontop3 Looks like they'd have an emergency hydro pump like the old Euc trucks. Switch on the dash for just this kind of thing! New Cats the pump comes on auto, or it's "supposed' to.
Toby Hilton Back in the 70's, Clark skidders sold in CA. came with an emergency HYD pump ran by a starter type motor. If the engine died and the key was on, aux HYD pump kicked in.
That's a very scary situation to be in and Lady Luck was on duty that day. However, I have a question...when Tim was removing all the crap out of the way for the recovery operation he had a dozer parked behind him...did he have a safety cable or chain connected to his machine during that time?
one time i was on a Bell saw cutting on a old road bed next to a big bluff that was straight off about 300 feet i like'd one pine haven it all cut so i go over the edge of road bed and cut the pine and started back up on the road bed and that thing died it set there about 5 sec then all of a sudden it took off i ran up on drag's of wood it would get on one tire to the next all the way to the d bottom it never turned over but when it stop'ed my leg's was shaking you could not have shoved a 16 penny nail up my but it scared me to death .....
Cascade and coast range s.w Washington/n.w. Oregon 568 operator. The only time my machine gets near a road is to fuel. Wish for excitement? C'mon out. Cable logging isnt cheap, logging cable ground with my machine is much cheaper. $ Incentive to push limits? Nah, not loggers...
I have been there 5 times to be exact working on different projects. I've been in Astoria, Portland and Eugene in Oregon. Wa, I've been in and around Seattle. Also to Vancouver bc and several places outside there too.
I know just how Chad felt. Been there and done that 2 times myself. Right down the mountain I went.
Glad your man didn't get hurt.
Reminds me of the ol' straight drive Franklin skidders. Nobody ever took time to line the brakes on them. You had to have a set of balls to run one in these mountains around here!
I love your videos your smooth with that thing. thanks for the videos
worked in logging 40 years.. seen a lot of things.. but one thing ill always remember ..668 Clark going over a clift .. 70 percent grade. die just as you said.. watched it flip 6 times end over end .....went 300ft, ....seat belt rig worked great.. man unbelted step out.. not hurt looking at how blessed he was... and slipped on a log... fell broke his jaw...true story.. in my time working i buries 3 very good friends,,, it not when you get hurt..it how bad are you going to be hurt!!!
jess taylor bull shit you never did 40yrs
Did I say 40 I meant 4 don't know how that zero got there...
hadz Smith you don't know SHIT.
We have a E625C which I was told is essentially a 635D. Same pumps and motors just no turnaround and no reverse fan. It used to have a hydraulic release spring applied multi-disc parkbrake on the tailshaft just behind the pivot. But Tigercat replaced that with a manual lever to calliper on centre disc. They said the original one we had were blowing apart. Getting to the point I got curious one day and turned her at the bottom of a little hill with a hill opposite so no harm could happen just to see what it would do. It stayed put with parkbrake off. Might have to try a bigger hill and for longer to see after seeing this. Another thing is they need a brake down the backend. Do a tailshaft on a big Hill and those front wheels won't pull her up. Had a worker back down to me one day when hand falling, he stopped and I walked behind to get the rope and pull it down over a side to get a log out. Well he put the blade down and it went on a greasy stick and one side boggie just happen to be on another greasy stick and as he lifted the front wheels off the ground the boggies counter rotated and she was off after me. (makes you move quick) when the boggie got off the stick (sapling) she stopped. Operator said he was pushing the brake harder and harder and she wouldn't stop. Oh and don't the brakes (or front brake) have an accumulator that are good for a few applications? Ours does.
Glad to hear everybody was alright . Years Ago I have seen a 655B John Deere Loader do the same . The operator in that incident wasnt hurt either . But He said he thought he needed to change his Levi's after that.
Mack
Lol, I about needed to change my britches and I wasn't even in the machine.
First you say it then you do it, OH SHIT.
cotontop3, I don't comment much, I want to start by saying that I'm glad to hear the outcome was good because that coulda went BAD many different ways. if that woulda articulated on him, like you said, no good. video does nothing to show the terrain we woked on. worked this same loggin for 4 yrs, S Ohio, KY and WV. seen many a rolled machine and had my share of O CRAP moments myself, a couple in a 635 in fact. I mostly ran a hydro-ax and skidder on those hills but also excavator for clean up. I can appreciate what you do my man, enjoy the videos from my easy chair and they still get the ticker pumpin!!
Oh and really enjoy your videos
just started watching your vids. I cut trees in South Florida. Got my own thing going on down here but... watching you guys gives me that push to do better.. keep those vids coming!
+John Mir thank you John
Glad you guys are ok !! That could have been bad!! But you guys in that part of the south are in easy ground compared to what I grew up in we never had a grapple skidder they won't climb a rock cliff a deer can't get up so up here a tracked skidder works to pull em from a bluff mtn side. Then we take a cable skidder them onto the yard
It's bad ground around here and up tword Mt pisgah about an hour horth of me it's really bad
Them motors run away like that I seen one explode once!! Caught fire a 6 cold perkins!
No a 6 cylinder Perkins, wow excuse the typos!
Tell you what I give you six thumbs up for what you all gotta go through man
Just glad he is ok!
Glad everyone was ok in this one! There are always dangers in logging but you don't need a machine to have safety problems with how they are made.
Glad no one was hurt. I had dozer start rolling backwards off gooseneck as I dropped second ramp onto dovetail. All I could do was move and hope it didn't turnover. It rolled over ramps and off back of gooseneck hit ground but didn't roll over backwards.
looks likes a fun ride I have some pics of a yarder we just had go over landed on top of the 330 link belt with a dangle head on it nobody hurt but what a mess would like to share them with you if you would like . stay safe get logs
Thank the Lord y'all are ok!
Glad everyone's okay, that had to be one freaky experience
I didn't like watching it happen.
Really glad nobody got hurt. Logging is a dangerous job, and machine failure enhanced the danger greatly in this accident!
man scary scary I have had that to happen just think being on a old Skidder I have a old Timberjack 225 and it jump out of gear going backwards and it pick up some speed but I have a open door on my skidder but the different is win you a good operator and he is think and he using his head stay in the Skidder and ride it out but I know win its a drop off or a bluff everything is running in your head but the best thing is stay in it you have a good operator thums up be safe
You're right.
Glad every one is OK, that could have been alot worse.
That merely proves that gravity still works. Thank the Lord no one was hurt
I had a wild ride in a 648 D John Deere. died lost what little brakes I had, lucky I thought to drop the blade and hooked stump and got myself stopped before I went off a ravine. Its not when you lose control on something like that. Glad no one go hurt.
Oh man that's lucky
been there done that glad no-one was hurt they need to fix thoses damn brakes better anyway be safe men
Park brake on a 648 is spring applied, hydraulic realeased... yeah I'd say there is a problem... not a hydraulic problem, but a hard part problem... lol
Glad he didnt end up rubber side up, happy hes ok . Be safe, drive fast and sleep with strangers !!!!!! Lol
cotontop3 is that fun running that shovel loader and picking up branches and logs
Thank the LORD he didn’t turn over or get hurt AMEN.
Come to Jesus moment , glad no one was hurt.
I love your videos
Thank you for the view and the comment!
Thank you God! He didn't get hurt or worse.
( I know video is old, just saw it. Still very scary!)
Hey I think Deere is the same way they will roll unless you shut the key off or pump the brakes a time or two... The accumulator stores two brake pumps worth of pressure..
Did he shut the key off or just grab on for dear life
+Logger Wade when I got in the machine, his cell phone was laying on top of where the key and switches are located. I figured the key got hit by the phone or hand when the phone was placed there but even with that happening the machine should have never moved an inch when the motor stopped. I'm gonna do a video to show what Tigercat did to the brake.
Hey be nice to see glad it all worked out though that coulda been bad
+cotontop3 Was the nitrogen filled ball for the brakes the culprit.
+TheTrapper70 No it wasn't the nitrogen that was the problem. I need to take a cover off the machine and and do a video and show what happened that made the brake system fail. The pins that hold the caliper on has some 2 cent cotter pins that keep them from sliding out. One of the cotter pins came out and allowed the caliper to move enough to where the brake pads would not lock down on the disk. We didn't even know that was a possibility that could happen but rest assured we check it multiple times a week now. Its kind of a poor design the way the caliper and pins are set up on that machine.
I'm so glad no one got hurt in this scary incident. You will all need some convincing from Tigercat that they find out exactly what did not work, why it stalled and get it sorted properly and correctly. How does the operator feel about getting back on this machine? It obviously started again in order to drive out the hole!
He got right back on it.
+cotontop3 Chad's a trooper, get on that old cuss and ride it out! hahaha
Just like riding a horse you get bucked of get back on if you are not hurt bad been there done that. Logging accident 1987 almost killed me, back logging 2 years later. I was piece cutter got paid by the cord.
thank god he is alright
a ride like that will get the old ticker tockin' right quick!
You got that right!
I know there had to be a bad bad bad feeling to go backwards and can't stop I've been driving dump truck for over 30 years I can't imagine how that felt
glad he is ok. what was the deal with the brake system??
Sheeeew scary glad everyone is ok
you can kinda tell how steep it is by how far his claw is back towards the cab
we have a bobcat that would roll when you killed it and it was fine as long as you knew to park it flat. well our concrete guy was using one day when he stopped to take a phone call and rolled down a hill and into a big oak tree that kept him from falling in a deep creek.
dad did the same thing one day and made pancakes out of a Jon boat and deer feeder that got in the way
I read a story just like that about another tigercat. Pretty sure it was in the comments on one of tater's vidjas
appreciate sharing
Glad he didn't get hurt that could have been really bad
You couldn’t drive a needle with a sledge hammer through his sfincter after that
got lucky for sure !
Mississippi has some of the worst drop off I have ever seen except in the mountains. I was working installing growth and yield plots between Kosciusko and US 82 back in 1994. The guy I was working with was installing plot corners on 1/4 acre plots. He was measuring the distance for the last corner when he called back that this spot was not going to work. He yelled that there was no where to put the corner. I walked to him to see what the issue was. The spot where the post should have been was down about 40 feet. Just a straight drop off with no warning. Fairly flat and then nothing. The whole site was like that. Unit forester said it was due to severe erosion back when they used to farm cotton there. The area around Natchez was like that too but at least it was hilly.
Terry, you're right, the ground is crazy in spots with drop offs scattered around.
Sounds like the early John Deere skidders, they were bad for that. Glad it turned out OK.
I've heard stories about the old machines too just taking off down a hill.
big boy toys are always dangeroûs. i enjoy all vids u share about ur business. real man business. nota job for a girly man
Does the thought of being perceived as a girly man keep you up at night?
Dang that coulda been really bad
damn it hopefully he brought some clean shorts
Glad hes ok
hope he's ok man
How is the 635 operator? He hurt? Or does he have a log to get rid of. If I took that ride I'd have a log to get rid of for sure!
Not fun when something like that happens!
It needs to have a brake lock system when that happens
Yeah though I log in the " Valley of death "...
I didn't have that exact instance happen but trucking down to wells nevada from Idaho at the state line road was good some snow ahead but didn't see any reports of ice on the road so I took her slow about 50ish on the safe side hit the state line where the road bends to the right and goes to a downhill slope it was all ice on a two lane road luckily I made it down but I was just as out of control loaded with tater chips my load maybe grossed 5,000 lbs in the box so basically I was empty weight and could only put roughly 5 grams of pressure on the brakes cuz anymore they'd lock up and that'd be a rap for me... big equipment no matter the breed and even in favorable conditions are dangerous you gotta be prepared for those times and learn from the past
thank god he was ok
Some days its fried chicken and some days its wet feathers, stay safe.
At least everyone is alright, you would think that tigercat would engineer the breaking system better
Agreed.
Cottontop have u ever xconsidered getting a christy yarder? I am not a salesman don't worry but have seen them run. They are really easy to operate economical good production short time setup self propelled and just a few guys to operate there is a couple of videos on youtube that shows them operating
I’m sure the seat in the skidder has holes big holes pinched in it.
One lonely farmer had a issue similar with one of his jd tractors.
Did you let chad go home and change his undies😂😂 glad no one got hurt
Don’t let your guard down for one second buddy.
A lot of stuff is "supposed" to do this or that when something quits. Don't always happen and there's not always a "soft place" to land either. I've taken a ride or two like that and you're right, there's no fun in it. Glad everything turned out all right. We had a Moxie ar-tic truck's brakes fail and if the driver hadn't been a small guy, he wouldn't be here now. The cab was down on the steering wheel. He just got skinned and scraped. You tell me there's not a Higher Power and you have just proclaimed yourself to be a chrome-plated, 1st class idiot.
I hope that guy is going to be okay now Sir
West coast has big steeps.
Kevin is lucky that it didn't roll over
I’ve logged ground like that. I’d cut a big tree mainly beech and when I cut them off the stump they would jump 20 feet off the stump and take everything in front of them down. THANK THE LORD AMEN he wasn’t hurt Amen.
i think a machine should need backup devices
Will the tigercat allow you to drop the blade and or grapples via gravity, seen a guy crank the starter while stepping on the brake to get it to stop.
No. It's all pilot hydraulics and electric over hydraulic. Nothing will work unless the machine is running.
+cotontop3 Looks like they'd have an emergency hydro pump like the old Euc trucks. Switch on the dash for just this kind of thing! New Cats the pump comes on auto, or it's "supposed' to.
Toby Hilton Back in the 70's, Clark skidders sold in CA. came with an emergency HYD pump ran by a starter type motor. If the engine died and the key was on, aux HYD pump kicked in.
chain up the skidder
OMG that could of turned out really bad thank god no 1 got hurt
Be careful buddy.
Dang glad no one was hurt
Me too.
That's a very scary situation to be in and Lady Luck was on duty that day. However, I have a question...when Tim was removing all the crap out of the way for the recovery operation he had a dozer parked behind him...did he have a safety cable or chain connected to his machine during that time?
No I wasn’t connected to anything
@@cotontop3 Stay safe Tim.
what happen to the 635 that made it go dead
wow lucky or what
Call and order a new seat.
Sabotage ? Can't rule anything out.
IT TOOK A LOT of SKILL BY EVERYONE in order TO solve this problem.
NO one got injured THANKFULLY.
chur bro
I would have cramped in my pants
Lucky.
Wow yeah he’s got hurt bad to if it had rolled. Wow yeah I see the hole. THE LORD WAS WITH HIM FOR SURE AMEN.
Thats why you bring a extra pair of underwear to work
one time i was on a Bell saw cutting on a old road bed next to a big bluff that was straight off about 300 feet i like'd one pine haven it all cut so i go over the edge of road bed and cut the pine and started back up on the road bed and that thing died it set there about 5 sec then all of a sudden it took off i ran up on drag's of wood it would get on one tire to the next all the way to the d bottom it never turned over but when it stop'ed my leg's was shaking you could not have shoved a 16 penny nail up my but it scared me to death .....
Cascade and coast range s.w Washington/n.w. Oregon 568 operator. The only time my machine gets near a road is to fuel. Wish for excitement? C'mon out. Cable logging isnt cheap, logging cable ground with my machine is much cheaper. $ Incentive to push limits? Nah, not loggers...
I have been there 5 times to be exact working on different projects. I've been in Astoria, Portland and Eugene in Oregon. Wa, I've been in and around Seattle. Also to Vancouver bc and several places outside there too.
glad he didn't get hurt. I seen a case bulldozer do this one timme
I'm glad he didn't get hurt too.
Junior Raines Doggone Case freewheels if you mash both brakes full on!
Junior Raines took a ride on an 1150 once, wasn't fun.
A cliff is vertical. That aint. Steep yes, but it aint no cliff.
where are you all from iam from Fayetteville North Carolina
+brian ames columbus Mississippi
+brian ames columbus Mississippi
That is awesome
I'm super glad Chad was OK I hope TagerCat replaced Chad's underwear. 💩💩💩
Just saying .🤦
This was pretty wild the day this happened.
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No it’s not cool at all.