Moa means “center” in Samoan and “Sa” means sacred. Yes it also means chicken but but it’s not in the western context as some may try to use “chicken” in mockery. Pls everyone I am a Samoan who is also Tongan on one side of my grandmothers family and Melanesian Fijian on one side of my grandfather’s ancestors. Let us think critically, objectively even through our objective histories for this intellectual conversations. We are more connected than we think. Malo ‘aupito, Vinaka vakalevu, mahalo nui and malo fa’afetai. ‘Ia manuia.
Thank you Dr. Opeti Taliai, this history should show to all us Tongans and Samoas that we are connected no matter how much we try to separate ourselves from another. I myself considered as Samoan but I can’t disregard my Tongan ancestry so as Tongans who has similar status. Understanding our history enables us to understand that we are the one of the same and we should embrace our unity. Samoa, Tonga and Fiji in my opinion are the heartland and birthplace of the Polynesian race.
I enjoyed what he had to say, a refreshing narrative which brings to light PRE colonialism...Surely Tongans were a people before Christianity, right! In particular, his work on Tongan history not only originating from the royals, but in fact how oral history supports Tongan lineage stretching further back before Tupou I. I for one am very much interested to see what his research has to say and add to Tongan history.
This is good this is what Polynesia needs and that is open discussion and open minds. To keep our history alive and acknowledge is to keep discussing it.
It doesn’t matter what the palangi label us if we’re from the same area we’re the same people. Polynesian, Melanesian is all blahblahblah. Labels to distinguish someone’s findings. Nobody found us 🙏🏾
Kumulfan 8090... Why Fiji should follow your culture.. Fijians has it's own ways of culture suits best only for them..not for Polynesians. But Fiji is more closely related in trade with the Polynesians especially tonga and samoa..because they are more closer in distance to Fiji than png.
Fa'afetai lava & malo aupito Dr Opeti Taliai, thank you for this well-researched paper and thank you for sharing it with the world. Perhaps the Tupou family is from the Tupua aiga and line i Samoa. There is a suafa Folasá title and Tui Tongamatoe in the village of Falelima in Savai'i. Perhaps these are the old families that could all relate to Tui Manu'a. If the Tui Manu'a line has been preserved in the Tongan royal line perhaps this same line in Samoa is Tupua Fuiavailiili lineage. Ia manuia Samoa Atoa 🙏
Malo Aupito Dr Taliai. Very sound, objective history of Pasikifika proved even through our subjective oral traditions and practice to this day. Malo. I am a direct descendant of the Tangaloa Tuimanu’a and Tuia’ana lineage and this piece of Samoa Atoa this history you lectured on still remains in oral history and traditions of Manu’a, Savai’i and Upolu. I am Tangloa Lupematasila Vaeluagaomatangi Saofilioalii from Samoa. We know as Pacific Islanders we are much closer in blood and family-ness than modern history have given credit to and so we will continue to walk closer in honor, love and respect together to the future as a Pacific Polynesian family of Samoa, Tonga, Fiti/Fiji, Tahiti, Hawaii and all islands of Pasifika Island nations rooted in our past (ancestral roots/blood) while celebrating the present (where we are today although have multiplied into separate nationhood we are today but still one people in dna and spirit), while focusing on the future. Malo fa’afetai ma ‘ia manuia. Look forward to more lecture from you and hopefully meet you one day. Alofa lasi/tele atu.
Malo Opeti your video is insightful and opens my mind to question the unknown, I hope to hear more of your research and stories of our past. God bless, ofa atu.
I am very much interested in this knowledge, because atleast this supports my family history from Ngata back to 'Aho'eitu...even to my Fijian side...and all the way to How we started from Tahiti and Hawaii. (Fun fact 'Oahu now is a short word of someone who was Tahitian Princess-marriage) Besides that, we could never find anything for the public or outside of the Pacific to match our findings. We have to get in touch with families we never knew we had to connect the pieces together. Thank you! Please give more to our People to talk and share ❤ It's beautiful!!!
@@originalclaymoreboy728 red hair, yes. They were in Manu'a too, and were called Au apo. I have to agree with P Locc. Kalakaua of Hawaii claimed origins from Samoa and so did Tahiti, who's highest peak is named Orohena, after Olosenga of Manu'a.
I believe that Opeti Taliai have taken the comment made by the late Queen Salote out of context, and probably misunderstood it because the depiction of Queen Salote here was an assessment through palangi lens, notably Elizabeth Bott who published her book in 1999. You would have to be Tongan and know Tongan history to translate these quotes said to have been made by the Queen what she meant and not a literal translation taken out of context. " Tongan history is what the Highest Chief (Herself) say " The palangi recording Queen Salote couldn't have gotten tongan history from anyone higher in Tonga.The palangi was in the presence of the Highest chief of Tonga. Queen Salote's geneology is the history of Tonga, the final chapter evolving from Tuitonga Empire to the present day Monarchy Kingdom. But what exactly did Queen Salote say that was contradiction/contrary to Tongan history that was clearly before Queen Salote's ascension to the throne. Tongan history that was known and even til today long before King Taufaahau Tupou I united the islands of Tonga? Dr. Opeti Taliai brings up Queen Salote giving her geneology beginning with Tuitonga Uluakimata implying that Queen Salote was cutting off the former Tuitonga because they were Samoan. Niel Gunson wrote about Tuitonga Takalaua marrying a female Tuimanu'a and that successive Tuitonga(s) lived in Samoa holding the TuiManua title but with Tuitonga title taking precedence. Morgan Tuimaleali'ifano (professor of history at USP) in his book cites the name of the female Tuimanu'a as Vaelavemata, indicating there's indigenous knowledge of it to be true, maybe only known among elite tulafale(s) and others being secretive about it like knowledge of Pulemelei. But it is also known in tongan oral history that Tuitonga Takalaua (1375AD) was assassinated avenged by his son Tuitonga Kauulufonua Fekai (1400AD). Tuitonga deputized installed his brother MotuaTonga as TuiHaatakalaua to rule in Tonga. It is known that Tuitonga Kauulufonua (1400AD) to Tuitonga Tapuosi (1500AD) Uluakimata's father, the Tuitonga was living in Samoa having samoan wives and were back and forth especially for the inasi and polopolo ceremony. Tuitonga departure(1500AD) back to Tonga was Tuitonga Tapuosi which coincided with the shift of power from Manu'a to the western Samoan islands in the creation of the Tafa'ifa title in the person of Queen Salamasina, Tuitonga Tapuosi's maternal niece. And it is known in our tongan talatupu'a or kamata anga o Tonga, that Ahoeitu was the first Tuitonga installed by Tangaloa Eitumatupu'a, you cannot cut off the former Tuitonga lineage, its how you read these palagi writings. Did Maui literally fish up islands? Was it a literal magical fishing hook?. Did Tangaloa Tufunga literally throw down chips of wood. Did Ahoeitu literally climb a beanstalk to Langi to meet his father in Heaven? When you're knowledgeable of Tongan history you won't take quotes recorded interpreted translated in english out of context. Dr. Taliai only offers the geneology that Queen Salote gave beginning with Tuitonga Uluakimata as if to say its her personal biographical history she's passionate about. Dr. Taliai should know that the Tuitonga Empire did not begin in the 1500s with Uluakimata, that was actually the decline of Tuitonga secular authority, So Elizabeth wood Ellem / Elizabeth Bott is not to be given weight as if it was God inspired truth
I really enjoyed this presentation. I'm Samoan with some Tongan ancestry. I definitely want to learn about both, especially the shared history. Too bad there's so many negative comments in here but ah well. Still TokoUso over here 🇼🇸🇹🇴🌴💪🏾
@@taumafakavatuitonga4285 maybe you don't know this, toks, but that is not a problem in academia. I don't think you really know what you are trying to argue for because whether 2007 or 1977, that doesn't refute the credibility of the paper. 😂😂😂
@@alelokaoseumu the credibility is in question because there is nothing on Manua but grass!!!! Is we to ignore that fact????What about Dr.Albert Refiti who is from Manua and stated that SaTangaloa/Tufuga was foreigners to Samoa LoL
@@taumafakavatuitonga4285 archaeological evidence is not the only evidence we can go by. Linguistic and cultural evidence points to Samoa being the metropole of Tonga, i.e. the central governance of Tonga and nearby islands. It don't matter tho coz we are the same people. The only difference is your ancestors sailed to Tongatapu and mine stayed behind. Those who sailed on went to discover Tahiti, Hawaii, New Zealand, and Rapa Nui. I'd say that's a great accomplishment!
I am from Fiji. Still trying to figure out how I have Tongan and Samoa DNA. I may not the only one in Fiji have Polynesian DNA, however thanks for having this talk as it answers some of the my questions.
We’ll Tonga did invade and try to colonise Fiji back in the day the influence can still be seen in the Lau islands of Fiji and in sigatoka there’s ancient Tongan forts and the family’s of them still live there til this day
Interesting. Love hearing about how interconnected Polynesians were back then. We have a lot of doctors and historians in the comments. 😃 maybe the heated debates on here should have their own tedx talk some day.
Love it when it comes from actual Tongans that know the History. It’s a hard one to swallow for most but at the very least we are all children of Tagaloa_ that’s good enough for me
Malietoa Tanu II said that in Samoa, everyone is King. This is true largely to the extent that chiefly titles in Samoa derive their power to rule from the consent of families that owns that title. Everyone in Samoa has a faasigomaga and a claim to their village/district chiefly title. In Tonga, you have a supreme title that rules over you despite you having no familial connection or claim to the title. In Samoa, we don't do that. We refuse to have a King and we never did. When Malietoa or Mataafa was elevated to King, this was only done in the fashion of Europeans and so Samoans never accepted it. When Tonga boasts about being the only "remaining" monarchy in the South Pacific but then we see their "monarch"'s tradition echo European monarchs moreso than the Pacific way, I think we know who ultimately were more colonized in their hearts. Samoa's cultural traditions are very rich and remain to this day. We can't say the same thing about the Samoan royal descendants in Nukualofa who wear thick wool in the middle of a tropical warm island weather. Samoa was colonized because big nations with big guns and more people saw value in it. As we both know, Samoa and Tonga didn't have any gunpowder and our populations are relatively low compared to foreign nations. There's nothing special about Tonga that would have prevent it from being colonized, except that your King submitted Tonga to the foreign nations, without any consultation or opposition from other royal house in Tonga. Why need conquer Tonga when the hearts and mind of your rulers were already conquered? See, this is the difference between us. In Samoa, Malietoa tried to take advantage of the British to win his little war with Mataafa and Lilomaiava. Meanwhile, Mataafa tried using the Germans to his advantage against Malietoa. Samoa is a country made up of many alii. We have diverse ideas about how Samoa should have been governed and that lead to different alliances and wars internally to solve that question. In other words, it built the foundational character of Samoa in the colonial period which we see now in the post-colonial information age. Samoa today, is arguably more developed and well structured than Tonga. We saw in 2006 how frail Tonga's European-style monarchy is.
King George Taufa’ahau Tupou 1 “accepted” christianity because of the back up and the weapons it came with it and basically declared himself as the “king” of Tonga. Though we weren’t technically “colonised” we were most definitely concurred.
Well, it’s a good in sight of the history of some of the Polynesian islands. This history is good for our Samoan and Tongan people to learn from and move on. Jesus Christ is still the King of all Kings Awesome to watch this video. Fa’afetai lava Dr Opeti from Tonga
We Tongans never heard about this Tui Manua growing up - Tui Tonga is the only empire we know of. Never did Tongan elders speak of the Tui Manua to me, so no idea where all the Manua stuff is coming from.
True 20 Lapita sites in Tongatapu first settlement before spreading out Manuka Heketa Ofu Ta'u Pangai Savaihi Havaihi named by Ancient Maui Tonga Fusifonua the Navigators
@Tulouna Le Lagi I don't agree with him on that theory, as Tonga has the oldest site in all of polynesia. How can the Mayans hop over all the islands in between to get to Tonga? We know Polynesians came through Fiji into Tonga, which is the closest archipelago to Fiji, before spreading out to the Pacific.
Yes the true history that most Tongans have never heard of. Glad its being taught more and more. Great presentation Tui Manu'a also taught by PHD historian Dr Okusitino Mahina and many more.
This is theory’s because If TuiManua was known as Samoa Atoa then Tonga would have remembered it as such and not known as Haamoa!!!! This would be re-examining and rewriting/reinventing the wheel for sure because in Tongan oral traditions, there is no mention of Samoa Atoa or Umiti!!! This video is a theory and his interpretation and not a fact!!!!
@@plocc9126 Tonga remembers Haamoa= Clan of Moa!!! No Samoa Atoa gibberish and no TuiManua Empire site anywhere on the grassland/mutia,vao of Fitiuta or on planet earth
I’m very big on proof and sources. If he’s going to write a book on Tongan history he should probably utilize primary sources such as the Tongan royal family themselves. Otherwise I would question the validity of his book.
The reason why HMQ Salote Tupou 3rd wrote and began much of Tonga’s History with the Tu’iTonga Uluakimata 1 the 28th of the Kings of Tu’iTonga was this is when Tu’iTonga’s not only stopped traveling back and forth to Samoa but also cut ties by no more marriages of alliances with Samoa due to a split of the dynasty creating the Tu’ihatakalaua dynasty. This is when Tonga national patriotic party began and broke off from Samoa. So the alliance between Tonga and Samoa became weakened..but Tonga turned and allied with Fiji at this time creating trade routes and marriages with Fiji’s paramount Chiefs around the early 1300C.E. which when the Tu’ihatakalaua dynasty began its golden age while Tu’iTonga line became weaker in political power only remained as a paramount Royal house.
What a shame he states the importance of oral history yet disregards the oral history that has already been passed down by our chiefs/elders. Instead he chooses to rewrite history smh
@increasepeace4996 You got a lifetime supplies of hormones pills 😂 you live on here replying to everyone that disagrees with the TuiManua grass empire 😂😂 and the internet warrior award goes to Bro/sis 😂
@increasepeace4996 You got a lifetime supplies of hormones pills 😂 you live on here replying to everyone that disagrees with the TuiManua grass empire 😂😂 and the internet warrior award goes to Bro/sis 😂
@@plocc9126 TONGA-ITI 🇨🇰🇨🇰🇨🇰 found Rarotonga 🌴 recorded in Rarotonga history and you can find it in the Cook Island Library and courthouse. And that's an actual fact🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That's mangaias origin of the Tonga iti😂😂no other island say they originated from tonga. Other then later interactions. Our islands traces their lines back to Tahiti and Samoa..us cookislanders are on the border between east and west polynesia but we are more eastern polynesian with a little hint of western. The two groups originally have 2 separate origins. Not everything in the south pacific began in samoa. Only in the White man's world.
@@originalclaymoreboy728 the Cook Islands do seem to be the bridge as you suggest. As for the two different lines would you chalk that up to Eastern Polynesians having ties the Americas and then Western Polynesians having more Asian influence?
@increasepeace4996 You still on them hormone pills 😂😂😂😂 Boy/girl stop it😂😂😂😂 So what archaeological findings do you know of in Manua grassland to support this TuiManure empire???? Nothing still right because the Dinosaurs destroyed this prehistoric empire of grass lol
@increasepeace4996 You still on them hormone pills 😂😂😂😂 Boy/girl stop it😂😂😂😂 So what archaeological findings do you know of in Manua grassland to support this TuiManure empire???? Nothing still right because the Dinosaurs destroyed this prehistoric empire of grass lol
@increasepeace4996 You still on them hormone pills 😂😂😂😂 Boy/girl stop it😂😂😂😂 So what archaeological findings do you know of in Manua grassland to support this TuiManure empire???? Nothing still right because the Dinosaurs destroyed this prehistoric empire of grass lol
The problem with this historians of the Tonga never talks to the right people of the Tuitonga decendants rather gathered their informations from all theses and theories... he doesn't represent the REAL TUITONGA LINEAGES AND THEIR STORIES, ..... queen salote was not in the tuitonga lineage, the current king isn't from the tuitonga lineage for your information... thus, queen salote collected all genealogies from people who have some genealogies and collected them in the office palace and from those information she mapped out how and when and where she came from.... .. where on earth he came up with the Tu'i Manua????? may be from Okusi but you see even okusi never talked to family of the Tu'iTonga and the descendants !!! the descendants of the Tuitonga knows the history better than these two, of course there are linked with samoa and fiji but their theories are opposite to what the family are orally learned and now documented. These historians never never never ask for the family any history, thus, most of his theories are foreign to the family !!! aia koe ngaahi lau ia ko eni oku fu'u alu kehe atu .. ikai ofi kihe me'a oku ilo he famili... this is far too left!!
Manuka originally from Fisi Namuka which is Nomuka in Ha'apai and Manuka in Tongatapu brought to Ha'amoa Hahake by Ancient Tongan Navigators Ha'a Maui Tonga Fusifonua and Tavatava o Manuka as Tuimanuka Titles so when was Satiailemoa the first Tuimanuka started with 40 Chiefs Titles and 54 Tu'itonga Supreme Titles Timeline Last Tuimanuka Matelita 1890 Last Tu'itonga Laufilitonga 1826😊
Before the Tui Manua empire there was the Tui Polotu empire in Fiji which is more ancient its why in the connection of Tonga to Samoa is more recent history where Fiji and Samoa it’s more ancient and this was research done by a Samoan historian “Malama Meleisea” who collecting all the legends relating to Fiji and Tonga that there were legends about Fiji to Samoa vs Tonga and Samoa which they concluded that Fijis connection to Samoa was more ancient and mythological
Interesting. I know that some Samoans reached the Big Island of Hawaii and became the ancestors of the Kamehamehas and other Hawaiian royals, but I never heard that Oahu was part of Samoa ‘Atoa. What evidence does he have for that? Also, I always knew I had Tongan blood in me because of our relationship with Tonga for more than a thousand years. So I wasn’t surprised when my sisters and a cousin did their dna test and found out they had Tongan ancestry. However, the big surprise was when I studied my genealogy, I found out there is a Tupou in my family history. Thursday eve - June 9, 2022.
Faaaloalo & Alofa to my Aiga Samoa Verify what this guy is saying with your own indigenous stories....Because this here is nothing he grew up hearing from our elders and neither did Dr. Okusitino Mahina....these academics have taken into account collected stories from early Europeans and created their own theory and is now thrown around as if it's factual... Dr. Opeti Taliai is mistaken: Tagaloa is not the TuiManu'a family name it is Moa and Tongans have always referred to Samoans as HaaMoa ...people/clan/family/tribes/descendants of Moa never HaaTangaloa There's a Samoan story that Lu fled Tagaloa in Lagi down to earth where he found islands he named Samoa honoring his maternal uncle Moa....If Lu fled Lagi and found Samoa than Samoa is not Lagi realm of Tagaloa and Dr. Opeti's presentation is misinformation...incorrect... Samoan Dr. Albert Refiti says that SaTagaloa were men sacred to Tagaloa who were tufugaga that they and Tagaloa Lagi were not Samoan but foreigners to Samoa.....There's a story that SaTagaloa built a Faleula for TuiManua and Tagaloa came to Samoa because and destroyed it and scattered the men.... Something in Tongan traditions are Sia/Mounds associated with Tangaloa that was inherited by Ahoeitu from his father Tangaloa EituMatupu'a the last of the ruling Tangaloa .....there are no mounds in Manu'a ....the carbon dates of Tau Manu'a doesn't predate Tongatapu ....none from eastern Samoa has predated the western samoa..... If TuiManua predated TuiTonga why did the site in Faga, Fitiuta on Tau home island of TuiManua dated to have been inhabited as early as 1000AD? that's the peak of TuiTonga..... Dr. Opeti Taliai nor Dr. Okusitino Mahina can produce no Tongan oral tradition that even hints an idea that Samoa or Manu'a is Lagi realm of Tangaloa.....There's no mention of a TuiManu'a ruling all of Tonga ...maybe all of Tau ....
All Polynesians, come from Samoa. Like it or not.. ancient Hawaiian passed stories down from generations that they never returned back to the canoe that sailed BACK to Samoa. And therefore the elders in Samoa let those who stayed in what we know today as Hawaii, Home! Also in indigenous Tahitian language, the word for Savai’i of Samoa is Oveahi which means “Father to the rest of Us/Them” Maori also claim to come from Hawaiki? Hawaii? ITS SAVAI’I !!
I honestly wouldn’t care less if we all did but you’re acting like they were just walking the road to Hawai’i. Polynesians we’re sea voyagers and almost always looking for different islands to settle in, hence the reason they’re all over Oceania otherwise they would all just have returned to Samoa. You’re taking a small part of an oral history and ignoring the archaeological evidence. I honestly think this is why the ancestors fought one another, our prideful nature.
When the archeologists proved that Tonga was settled first, you guys discredit them because they’re white. Tu’i Tonga is the greatest Polynesian in history due to having the largest empire in Polynesia, he created Polynesia culture through imperialism.
@@boxcuber Bro don’t bother sending them the evidence of the oldest artifacts being from Tonga, Samoans will just ignore archeological science and tell us their fairytales as evidence 😂
Wake up brother. Oral history in Tonga never mentioned Tui manua. None nada. If all the Tui tonga before Uluakimata were living in Samoa then why would they call themselves Tuitonga? Makes no sense
@@manuhamoa Tongan history is taught in elementary school all the way up to high school in Tonga. We never learned of this Tui manua non sense. There is no archeological proofs of it like the Tui Tonga empire
@@manuhamoa there is a village called Manuka in Tongatapu where Samoans lived to serve the Tuitonga. Manuka is manua in Samoa. That's the only proof we have. Manua (Manuka) is the kitchen of the Tuitonga.
That's interesting. New evidence in archeological finds, show that Tonga (nukuleka) was the first island in all of Polynesia to be inhabited by the Fijians from Pulotu 3000 years ago. That matches the oral history in Tonga that our first ancestors came from Pulotu (Fiji) where Havea Hilule'o the who was the oldest of Tangaloa and Maui motu'a dwelt. As the oldest female, she is where the fahu system is said to have derived from. This goes back before Tonga and Samoa were even discovered. The Fijians were the first to land in Tonga, and it is their royal bloodlines who are the only ones Eiki (ranked) over the Tongan Royal family. Wonder why Manua is not mentioned at all in that. I'm curious..
@raymanipili6387 that was way after Tonga was founded. It was implemented by the Tuitonga after Ahoeitu which was 950AD. There were kings long before Aho'eitu in Tonga. We're talking 1000BC. They had kings although they were not thought to have "devine" blood which is why they were over ruled. They are now referred to as kohai, koau, ko momo. It was during this time that the fahu system was implemented. Almost 2000 years before tama ha was a thing.
@teti_99 Very true toko this talk is very strange as it does not mention Hikuleo our highest deity. He also ignores our roots from Pulotu. There is no mention of the first men in Tonga kohai, koau, and momo. It's as if he picked and chose specific pieces of history to use in this talk that honestly could lead others to further confusion.
@jayyoung5961 you nailed it toko. 💯 Kohai Koau Ko Momo we're WAY before Aho'eitu and from what I've heard, Samoa was named what is named by Tangaloa Eiki which is why it's called Ha'amoa in Tongan. Ha'a meaning the clan. Tangaloa Eiki from what I heard was given Tonga Mama'o (The far South) or Tonga Tapu (The sacred South) by as you mentioned, Hikule'o our highest deity while her dwelling place was pulotu. It was the Tangaloa Eiki's male predecessors (also named Tangaloa) who settled Manuka. Samoa was the epicenter for trading routs and and exchanging of goods and resources between the Polynesian islands. The perfect location for those traveling over seas. Manuka just happened to be growing in power at the time due to the reputation of the name Tangaloa. So as the village of Manuka was held in high regard to the Tongans, it was because it was settled by the Tangaloa line who were Tongan in origin but had intermarried with Samoan women of noble status, therefore the name Tangaloa became more Samoan by blood over time. Keep in mind this was almost 1,000 years after Tonga was found. The name was still defied in all of Polynesia and because it was carried down through the generations in Samoa, it was thought that Samoa was Tangalo Eiki's place of origin. But it is Tangaloa Eitumatupu'a (a far descendant of Tangaloa Eiki, the original) who comes from Manuka. It was much later that the chief Tangaloa from Manuka had wedded a woman of noble blood from Tonga (possibly Niua) name ilaheva va'epopua, and that was Aho'eitu. Approximately 900 years after Tangaloa Eiki was given Tonga Mama'o as his dwelling place by his big sister Hikule'o. Maui motu'a was the youngest of the three siblings and had nothing to his name which is why he and his lineage were know to be rebellious, mischievous and cunning. Because everything he did, he did for the people. Not the thrown. But I'm no historian by any means. Just did a lot of extensive research and had discussions with very prominent people who do this for a living in our community.
I enjoyed Dr Opeti’s presentation however I disagree with a large majority of it. I have never met a Tongan or had a Elder of mine discuss Tu’i Manu’a or SamoaAtoa at all. It’s incredible that the only Tongans I’ve heard this from are the same two Tongans that studied here in NZ (Most Samoans reference these two), Dr Opeti & Professor Mahina. So I’m not surprised with his presentation at all. Tevita Fale is a proper Tongan Historian. I’m also not surprised Dr Opeti didn’t want to discuss the ‘archaeological findings’ in Tonga ‘Eiki & Samoa. It’s amazing, how some of our people love these unrealistic tales and automatically count them as truth 😂. They need to wake up and realise Moana is just a movie & no Maui didn’t catch the sun just like no one ‘fished’ up’ islands.
Great presentation except that no references included but relying on some oral historian which is mythical, The archeologist that dugged up Nukuleka have Lapita pottery,languages and DNA evidences that we came from Asia which is hard to argue against them, but thankyou for an interesting and academic point of view.
I read the accounts of Queen Salote whose Royalty extends all the way to the Samoa Royalty mentioned the Sacred site in Toga, where once the Tui Manu'a resided ( taboo still in nowadays). It is recognized and protected as a Sacred Site of Historical Significance to our existence as Togans and Samoans!!!
Tuitonga Takalaua supposedly married a Female Tuimanu'a Vaevalavemata.....his descendants lived in Samoa as Tuitonga holding TuiManua title with the Tuitonga title taking precedence.... TuiHaatakalaua was deputized as the ruling chief in Tonga during that time..... Uluakimata's father Tuitonga Tapuosi was the return of Tuitonga to Tonga .....Tapuosi was Salamasina's maternal uncle
@@umsula malo .... i was referencing the book authored and published by Morgan Tuimalealiifano .... i personally have never heard or seen the name Vaelavemata...and you maybe right ..... but Tuimalealiifano names her as a female TuiManua that Takalaua married ....contrary to the authority cited Niel Gunson who didn't name her🤷🏽♂️. .... .
Semi check out the new findings of new pyramids in Tonga in the village of Fua'amotu carbon dating to where all kings and chief started it was from Fua'amotu
Tongan born Samoan ancestors Maliepo half brother of Aho'eitu the Tui Tonga Maliepo Lauaki side my grandmother Tonga Lauaki I was born in Nukuleka my father father my grandfather come from Nukuleka home of the Lapita people my grandmother Tonga Lauaki village Talafo'ou Tongan government don't see us as Tongan but the Tongan see us as Samoan born in Tonga
The talatupu'a of Tonga does begin with the origin of Tangaloa and we haven't heard any literal translation of Tangaloa to mean fisher god. There's no tongan oral traditions that mentions a Samoa Atoa or TuiManua having dominion over Tonga. There's nothing tongan that speaks of a sacrifice of seafood offerings given to TuiManua in what they called umiti. TuiManua family name is Moa not Tagaloa. Tongans have always referred to Samoans as Ha'aMoa not Ha'aTangaloa. Ha'amoa translate as people/family/clan/descendants of Moa. Samoan historian Dr. Albert Refiti says Tagaloa and SaTagaloa are not Samoans but foreigners to Samoa. Dr. Albert Refiti also says Tagaloa clan arrived in Samoa bringing the Faleula to Manu'a around a thousand years ago thats 1020AD consistent with the carbon date of the site in Faga Ta'u Manu'a Island @1000AD. It would also be consistent with the 36 TuiManua list recorded by Authur Young who happened to be father of the TuiManua Makerita, no dates out of the eastern part of Samoa archipelago Ofu, Olosega, Ta'u seem to not predate the western Samoan dates. Dr. Albert Refiti also state that SaTagaloa secretly built a Faleula for TuiManua and that Tagaloa Lagi came to Samoa and destroyed the Faleula and scattered the men. Why would Tagaloa Lagi destroy the Faleula? was TuiManua unworthy of the sacred Faleula? Academics such as Dr. Mahina have been saying that Samoa is Langi so as to say that Samoa is home of Tangaloa. Samoan traditions has it that Lu fled Tagaloa down to earth finding islands he named Samoa honoring his uncle Moa, that means Samoa is not Langi home of Tangaloa of which Lu fled. Tongan tradition has it that Ahoeitu in search for his father Tangaloa Eitumatupu'a who presided in Langi, he did not have to leave Tongatapu but that he climbed a Toa tree.. Langi being rooted in Tongatapu. For academics such as Dr Taliai to make such claims that TuiManua predates Tuitonga, please show your work explain how you've reached that conclusion, of course using oral traditions/history, but please within the parameters of common sense 😂😂😂😂
Where in our tongan traditions speak of SamoaAtoa? ....where is the Umiti? .....how do you fit the TuiManua to have ruled a supposed empire in the timeline???
@@grappling.enthusiast oh please. l will name you Tui Momo instead, how apt is that. We all know your various aliases, you try and hide but your Tongafisi head keeps popping up. Poor feke.
@@grappling.enthusiast yeah don't pay it too much mind ....😂😂😂😂 the uso know what time it is ...he just in tremendous denial .... outside his fairytale margaret mead stories there's nothing back it but perhaps other fairytale..... the fanua/land doesn't back it😂😂😂😂
If we take a look at the umiti ceremony alone???? Where did they hold such ceremony...and for what purpose?....and was it a fish offering??😂😂😂😂😂 This Samoa Atoa .....means all of Samoa 😂😂😂😂 not Tonga or Fiji😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 But whats the time frame .. did these events take place??? For how long and why was it discontinued???? Early Europeans have written som stuff taken out of context etc
Been asking since the first Major appearance of this TuiManua rule in the year of our lord 2001 when wikipedia was launched 😂 Where is the sites for the TuiManua Empire located in Manua ????and it’s 2022 there’s no photos of any geographical landscape and only landscape poetry 😂🤣😂🤣
it's Taumafa Kava Tui Tonga for now, Semi Langi another day, Ana Tangi another, Renegade, Togapower another and so on... how many aliases you have man. I think Tui Momo would be a perfect alias for you. You are a joke, you offer nothing to our rich history other than conjecture. Your fervent hatred for Samoa is so obvious. Now go and use your other aliases to continue your feke ways. Adios Tonto.
@@manuhamoa 😂🤣😂🤣 Anyone that points out the landscape of Manua does not support any indication of rule of the pacific 😂🤣😂🤣 and you call it Hate😂🤣😂🤣 TuiManua means the little Fasi Momo islands to the east of the Samoan islands!!!! There was never a TuiSamoa title and the documentary of Salamasina TupuOSamoa and absolutely zero is mentioned of Manua or TuiManua being included 😂🤣😂🤣Reply to my comment on where is the sites for the TuiManua rule with accusations of hate because you know of Zero sites just like this thesis paper presentation provided no photo of the Land/Fonua and only Landscape Poetry 😂🤣😂🤣
@@taumafakavatuitonga4285 Tui Momo's bots are at it again, what a laugh. When Tonga's academia and historians with PhD bring forward their research,, the Haa Mea'vale' then offers conjecture to discredit their own scholars. Trumpism at its best. Classic Mea'vale talavou. A pyrrhic victory indeed. Adios Tonto
@@Jay-ph8rkhes got none lol, like most other dokos they think because theres Lapita pottery = they started polynesian culture but if thats the case, theres lapita pottery in fiji too 😂 straight up 🤡’s
@@dommy1852 the oldest tatoo kit was found in Tonga, the oldest lapita pottery was also found in the town of Nukuleka in Tonga by archaeologists proving Tonga the oldest polynesian sites. These artefacts are preserved in Australia's national university. Fiji Sigatoka dunes have been proven to be several centuries younger than Tonga. Go back to sleep 🤡
thank u Opeti taliai for blowing Kae 🤣 we have found many new pyramids in Tonga new excavations says that Tonga started the line of kings 😂😂😂 poor u vale kaitae
So this theory is purposing that the TuiManua empire existed before the TuiTonga empire and it included Oahu but carbon dating shows that Hawaiian islands was settled in the time of the TuiTonga. 🤔 Before the TuiTonga , the other islands was not yet discovered lol according to factual history but not biographical history 😂
@taumafakavatuitonga4285 his research paper was written in 2007. I think he had no idea of the laipta discovery in 2009 and artefacts 2019. So he probably needs to re-examine and update his research paper 🤣🤣
@@noneofyourbusiness960 uce, that's coz there was no Tui Tonga empire. That thing they called an empire was just influence through intermarriage and interliving. You can hardly qualify that as an empire in the fashion of Romans ruling the Jews or Romans expanding to North Africa. lol
That’s why Tonga is always hitting above its weight and imitated by Samoans because Tongans are Samoans 😂 … Tonga are descendants of the lapita people and evidence of the largest amount of material pottery and such which has been found scattered throughout the Pacific was found in Tonga which was found with the ancient boat crafting vessel and tools added with the Ha’amonga which is believed to have acted as a great compass which helped Tonga navigate with the stars and helped its descendants great sea voyages all across the pacific merging this near smallest island nation right across the pacific spectrum, to put it simply …Tonga were very busy across the pacific …conclusion ‘The world is still merging ‘ and from Neanderthal we’ve come along way.😂 From oral to written 😂🎉
This is contradiction to Samoan Dr. Albert Refiti who says Tagaloa Lagi and SaTagaloa were not Samoan that they were foreigners to Samoa That SaTagaloa arrived in Manu'a bringing the Faleula around one thousand years ago ....1020AD
@@increasepeace4996 what source are you asking for???? Are you asking me to provide Samoan Wikipedia sources???😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Can you provide one picture of the site location where the TuiManua ruled from???...
The most simplest way to know that this is another theory and his own interpretation! Tonga doesn’t remember Samoa Atoa gibberish and remembers Haamoa =Clan/Family of Moa
@@taumafakavatuitonga4285 do you have any proof to disprove his theory? Didn't think so. You just don't like what he says, therefore it's automatically untrue. Doesn't work like that siana 😂
@@taumafakavatuitonga4285 I asked you specifically if you had anything to disprove his theory and you mention grass smdh. Funny how you straight away believe Tevita Fale and his fairy tales though. Keep that same energy 🤣
All evidence Lapita sites in found in Tongatapu Western Vanuatu Fisi Tongatapu and Ha'amoa not East Manuka by airlines lol even Oldest Tatau instrument found in the Ancient fortress village of Pea Tongatapu 2700 years old made of human bones 700BC can't reach 😊
It would appear that Dr. Opeti Taliai share some of Dr. Mahina's views ...theories that are supported by the chiefly language used to address the Tuitonga and the continued ties with Samoa😂😂
@Tulouna Le Lagi TuiManua is a female line👍👍👍👍 apparently anyone can be a TuiManua 😂😂😂 the Scottish the British Bulldog maybe even the German Shepherds 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Tulouna Le Lagi uce .....according to Samoan Dr. Albert Refiti it is clear from the chants that Tagaloa Lagi and SaTagaloa were not Samoan they were foreigners to Samoa....they arrived in Manu'a around a thousand years ago....1020AD instigating the kingship of TuiManua 🤷🏽♂️🤔
@Tulouna Le Lagi why would Arthur Young record that their were 36 TuiManua????🤔 And i do believe he was TuiManua Materita and Chris Young's father.....either he was afakasi or he was straight palagi🤷🏽♂️ Do the math with 36 TuiManua 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 uce ....really fact check ...make sense of ya fabricated stories 😂😂😂😂😂
@Tulouna Le Lagi The last Tangaloa Eitumatupu'a installed Ahoeitu Tuitonga Where's the story of Tagaloa Lagi installing TuiManua????? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Lu was the son of Lu (daughter of Tagaloa) according to your traditions.....who was his father???😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 The end of the Tangaloa era was the beginning of Tuitonga.....
Tongans have always referred to Samoa as Haamoa SaTagaloa translate as Ha'aTangaloa that is likely the old name they referred to the Tongans as.... Samoa is not the home of Tangaloa neither is Manu'a
@Semi Langi Lol. And your evidence for that? Just spoutin’ nonsense. Troll. Get outta here🤣Tonga has always been referred to as Tonga. As well as Fiti. No Tagaloa affiliations with Tonga other than Ahoeitu himself. 🤡 Nothing but lies coming from you. Nothing to back it. Clown😂
@@noneofyourbusiness960 uce check Samoan Dr. Albert Refiti 😂😂😂😂😂😂 There's Samoan traditions saying Samoa isn't Langi home of Tagaloa Lu fled Tagaloa down to earth finding islands he named Samoa honoring his uncle Moa😂😂😂😂😂😂 troll deez nutts.... this ain't no trolling to hate😂😂😂😂
@@noneofyourbusiness960 if you knew the history...share it.... Dr. Mahina and Dr. Taliai can't show they work......ask them how they reached their conclusion and they have none😂😂😂😂😂
Tonga has the most Lapita sites in all Polynesia Manuka originally from Fisi Namuka which is Nomuka in Ha'apai and Manuka in Tongatapu brought to Ha'amoa Hahake by Ancient Tongan Navigators Ha'a Maui Tonga Fusifonua and Tavatava o Manuka as Tuimanuka Titles also named Savaihi in Ha'amoa Havaihi in Hawaii big Islands as Vaihi Continent They found the oldest tatau instrument in the Ancient fortress village of Pea Tongatapu 2700 years old 700BCE made of human bones so when was Satiailemoa the first Tuimanuka with 40 chiefs Titles started Matelita last 1895 Laufilitonga the last Tu'itonga 1826 timeline 🤔
True there is an old cookisland chant where they say Manuka Tere avaiki and kuporu is the birthplace of eastern polynesia..but then later on mixed with the natives of the Americas.. Tongas so called empire sprung from samoas shadow and tried to take claim of everything😂
@Fiabotnotlagaekaailouuluilefagupia Tonga has the most Lapita sites in all Polynesia even the oldest tatau instrument found in the Ancient fortress village of Pea Tongatapu 2700 years old 700BCE Fitiula wasn't born yet Manuka originally from Fisi Namuka which is Nomuka in Ha'apai and Manuka in Tongatapu brought to Ha'amoa Hahake by Ancient Tongan Navigators Ha'a Maui Tonga Fusifonua and Tavatava o Manuka as Tuimanuka Titles also named Savaihi in Ha'amoa Havaihi in Hawaii big Islands as Vaihi Continent Pulemelei Siaheulupe were built by Tu'itonga Momo Talafata 2 1100AD from Hau o Momo Uno o Sangone story similar to Talietumu in Uvea built by Kau'ulufonua Takalaua 1200AD Talakaifaiki 3 beginning of Havea Malietoa Titles when Tuna and Fata ambushed the Tu'itonga Kava Ceremony 😊 When was Satiailemoa the first Tuimanuka started with 40 Chiefs Titles and 54 Tu'itonga Supreme Titles Timeline 🤔 Last Tuimanuka Matelita 1890 Last Tu'itonga Laufilitonga 1826 with all evidence found in Tonga as the birth place of Polynesia 🇹🇴
Where did this SamoaAtoa story begin????......there's no tongan traditions of a SamoaAtoa😂😂😂 so i don't know where the Dr. Taliai is getting this from???? That there were 6 Samoan islands😂😂😂😂 There is no tongan tradition saying those 6 islands belonged under TuiManua 😂😂😂😂😂 Sounds like something he is adding to tala tupu'a of Tonga
@@noneofyourbusiness960 ask about the ties when Tuitonga Takalaua married Vaelavemata a female Tuimanu'a....who's descendant lived in Samoa holding the TuiManua title but with the Tuitonga title taking precedence.... Morgan Tuimalealiifano cited Niel Gunson in his published book..... 1375AD to 1500AD
Europeans love to divide and label things but in actual fact melanesians , Polynesians and Micronesia really has no meaning all of the cultures in the pacfic are related and are in fact the actual name of the greater pacfic region based on actual cultural ties and links is Austronesians so PNG , Fiji, Solomons , Samoa, Tonga NZ we all related culturally and genetically in some way and we are part Austronesian family group Polynesian and these titles Europeans gave use are not based on Cultural at all totally irrelevant labels. The cultures in the pacfic are all related .
@@moefiki9901 Leg pulling is a Manua tradition!!!! Be proud of your grandma’s pulling Margaret Meads legs because she became famous 😂😂😂😂😂 is there Title for this event in Manua? Is it celebrated like Elisala ceded?
I’m no historian, but I’ve always thought that Tongans were originated from Samoa. I’ve always thought that the royal family had a feud or disagreement and decided to rebel, which is not common in history, and took his army or subjects, or people with him, and started the Tongan kingship empire, and end up taking over Samoa during his reign..
Moa means “center” in Samoan and “Sa” means sacred. Yes it also means chicken but but it’s not in the western context as some may try to use “chicken” in mockery. Pls everyone I am a Samoan who is also Tongan on one side of my grandmothers family and Melanesian Fijian on one side of my grandfather’s ancestors. Let us think critically, objectively even through our objective histories for this intellectual conversations. We are more connected than we think. Malo ‘aupito, Vinaka vakalevu, mahalo nui and malo fa’afetai. ‘Ia manuia.
It's not called Motu Sa for nothing lol
Savai'i-Motu O Ao
Upolu-Motu O Papa
Manu'a-Motu O Tu'i
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Thank you Dr. Opeti Taliai, this history should show to all us Tongans and Samoas that we are connected no matter how much we try to separate ourselves from another. I myself considered as Samoan but I can’t disregard my Tongan ancestry so as Tongans who has similar status. Understanding our history enables us to understand that we are the one of the same and we should embrace our unity. Samoa, Tonga and Fiji in my opinion are the heartland and birthplace of the Polynesian race.
I enjoyed what he had to say, a refreshing narrative which brings to light PRE colonialism...Surely Tongans were a people before Christianity, right! In particular, his work on Tongan history not only originating from the royals, but in fact how oral history supports Tongan lineage stretching further back before Tupou I. I for one am very much interested to see what his research has to say and add to Tongan history.
This is good this is what Polynesia needs and that is open discussion and open minds. To keep our history alive and acknowledge is to keep discussing it.
No
I'm from png, I've always viewed Fijians as polynesians because their language and culture is so similar to tonga and Samoa's and not to us png people
Fiji is the border of Polynesia and Melanesia.
FIJI is the center of both melanisian and Polynesian heart of the Pacific ISLANDER
It doesn’t matter what the palangi label us if we’re from the same area we’re the same people. Polynesian, Melanesian is all blahblahblah. Labels to distinguish someone’s findings. Nobody found us 🙏🏾
TONGA Lapita sites Origin of Polynesia 😊
Kumulfan 8090... Why Fiji should follow your culture.. Fijians has it's own ways of culture suits best only for them..not for Polynesians. But Fiji is more closely related in trade with the Polynesians especially tonga and samoa..because they are more closer in distance to Fiji than png.
Fa'afetai lava & malo aupito Dr Opeti Taliai, thank you for this well-researched paper and thank you for sharing it with the world. Perhaps the Tupou family is from the Tupua aiga and line i Samoa. There is a suafa Folasá title and Tui Tongamatoe in the village of Falelima in Savai'i. Perhaps these are the old families that could all relate to Tui Manu'a. If the Tui Manu'a line has been preserved in the Tongan royal line perhaps this same line in Samoa is Tupua Fuiavailiili lineage. Ia manuia Samoa Atoa 🙏
Talofa Nifoloa
i am maori i am tracing my blood line which is polynesia which is tonga so thank you for sharing your true heritage
Malo Aupito Dr Taliai. Very sound, objective history of Pasikifika proved even through our subjective oral traditions and practice to this day. Malo. I am a direct descendant of the Tangaloa Tuimanu’a and Tuia’ana lineage and this piece of Samoa Atoa this history you lectured on still remains in oral history and traditions of Manu’a, Savai’i and Upolu. I am Tangloa Lupematasila Vaeluagaomatangi Saofilioalii from Samoa. We know as Pacific Islanders we are much closer in blood and family-ness than modern history have given credit to and so we will continue to walk closer in honor, love and respect together to the future as a Pacific Polynesian family of Samoa, Tonga, Fiti/Fiji, Tahiti, Hawaii and all islands of Pasifika Island nations rooted in our past (ancestral roots/blood) while celebrating the present (where we are today although have multiplied into separate nationhood we are today but still one people in dna and spirit), while focusing on the future. Malo fa’afetai ma ‘ia manuia. Look forward to more lecture from you and hopefully meet you one day. Alofa lasi/tele atu.
Well put and I couldn't agree more uso. 🇹🇴🇼🇸🇨🇰🇳🇿🇫🇯🇳🇺🇹🇻🇹🇰🇵🇫♥️
Good one Opeti. I look forward to seeing what you produce in the future in regard to Tongan history.
Ok guys the subject here is that Samoan and Tongan are one ppl!! Tokouso 4life !!’
This is my favourite and best video I have seen on CZcams!!
Malo Opeti your video is insightful and opens my mind to question the unknown, I hope to hear more of your research and stories of our past. God bless, ofa atu.
Thank you for sharing Dr Taliai. I learned so much! 🙏🏽🇹🇴🫶🏽
I am very much interested in this knowledge, because atleast this supports my family history from Ngata back to 'Aho'eitu...even to my Fijian side...and all the way to How we started from Tahiti and Hawaii. (Fun fact 'Oahu now is a short word of someone who was Tahitian Princess-marriage) Besides that, we could never find anything for the public or outside of the Pacific to match our findings. We have to get in touch with families we never knew we had to connect the pieces together. Thank you! Please give more to our People to talk and share ❤ It's beautiful!!!
Hawaii and Tahiti traces its origins back to Samoa
@@originalclaymoreboy728 red hair, yes. They were in Manu'a too, and were called Au apo. I have to agree with P Locc. Kalakaua of Hawaii claimed origins from Samoa and so did Tahiti, who's highest peak is named Orohena, after Olosenga of Manu'a.
@@moefiki9901 yes, and i know im a descendant of those people. my samoan side has brown/red hair
@@sasharowen9584 what family? Lol
@@plocc9126 we trace our history back to where we launched from the get go. Samoa was just a stop
I believe that Opeti Taliai have taken the comment made by the late Queen Salote out of context, and probably misunderstood it because the depiction of Queen Salote here was an assessment through palangi lens, notably Elizabeth Bott who published her book in 1999. You would have to be Tongan and know Tongan history to translate these quotes said to have been made by the Queen what she meant and not a literal translation taken out of context. " Tongan history is what the Highest Chief (Herself) say " The palangi recording Queen Salote couldn't have gotten tongan history from anyone higher in Tonga.The palangi was in the presence of the Highest chief of Tonga. Queen Salote's geneology is the history of Tonga, the final chapter evolving from Tuitonga Empire to the present day Monarchy Kingdom. But what exactly did Queen Salote say that was contradiction/contrary to Tongan history that was clearly before Queen Salote's ascension to the throne. Tongan history that was known and even til today long before King Taufaahau Tupou I united the islands of Tonga? Dr. Opeti Taliai brings up Queen Salote giving her geneology beginning with Tuitonga Uluakimata implying that Queen Salote was cutting off the former Tuitonga because they were Samoan.
Niel Gunson wrote about Tuitonga Takalaua marrying a female Tuimanu'a and that successive Tuitonga(s) lived in Samoa holding the TuiManua title but with Tuitonga title taking precedence. Morgan Tuimaleali'ifano (professor of history at USP) in his book cites the name of the female Tuimanu'a as Vaelavemata, indicating there's indigenous knowledge of it to be true, maybe only known among elite tulafale(s) and others being secretive about it like knowledge of Pulemelei. But it is also known in tongan oral history that Tuitonga Takalaua (1375AD) was assassinated avenged by his son Tuitonga Kauulufonua Fekai (1400AD). Tuitonga deputized installed his brother MotuaTonga as TuiHaatakalaua to rule in Tonga. It is known that Tuitonga Kauulufonua (1400AD) to Tuitonga Tapuosi (1500AD) Uluakimata's father, the Tuitonga was living in Samoa having samoan wives and were back and forth especially for the inasi and polopolo ceremony. Tuitonga departure(1500AD) back to Tonga was Tuitonga Tapuosi which coincided with the shift of power from Manu'a to the western Samoan islands in the creation of the Tafa'ifa title in the person of Queen Salamasina, Tuitonga Tapuosi's maternal niece. And it is known in our tongan talatupu'a or kamata anga o Tonga, that Ahoeitu was the first Tuitonga installed by Tangaloa Eitumatupu'a, you cannot cut off the former Tuitonga lineage, its how you read these palagi writings. Did Maui literally fish up islands? Was it a literal magical fishing hook?. Did Tangaloa Tufunga literally throw down chips of wood. Did Ahoeitu literally climb a beanstalk to Langi to meet his father in Heaven?
When you're knowledgeable of Tongan history you won't take quotes recorded interpreted translated in english out of context. Dr. Taliai only offers the geneology that Queen Salote gave beginning with Tuitonga Uluakimata as if to say its her personal biographical history she's passionate about. Dr. Taliai should know that the Tuitonga Empire did not begin in the 1500s with Uluakimata, that was actually the decline of Tuitonga secular authority, So Elizabeth wood Ellem / Elizabeth Bott is not to be given weight as if it was God inspired truth
People, it helps to be open minded about any subject. Will allow you to not think only one way about a subject
I really enjoyed this presentation. I'm Samoan with some Tongan ancestry. I definitely want to learn about both, especially the shared history. Too bad there's so many negative comments in here but ah well. Still TokoUso over here 🇼🇸🇹🇴🌴💪🏾
Oath 💯 Both my parents are Tongan but my ancestry can be traced back to the Malietoa lineage. 🤙🏼
@@kOt985 me too I’m Tongan but have samoan blood from malietoa too toko. We can’t deny samoan tonga Fiji we all share history together
@@russellinu4260 ouah Tika toks haha Where abouts you from in Tonga?
@@kOt985 lapaha and all of the hahake side toko also fasi and falaleu vavau toko wbu toko
@@russellinu4260 haha ouah Lapaha Knights kiai lol old lady from Kolonga and Old man from Lapaha and Ngele'ia
Malo le Faasoa i lau Afioga Opeti Taliai very well presented, please share more GB
The real Tongan history we never get told by Tongans... Finally
This thesis paper was written in 2007 lol
@@taumafakavatuitonga4285 maybe you don't know this, toks, but that is not a problem in academia. I don't think you really know what you are trying to argue for because whether 2007 or 1977, that doesn't refute the credibility of the paper. 😂😂😂
@@alelokaoseumu the credibility is in question because there is nothing on Manua but grass!!!! Is we to ignore that fact????What about Dr.Albert Refiti who is from Manua and stated that SaTangaloa/Tufuga was foreigners to Samoa LoL
@@taumafakavatuitonga4285 archaeological evidence is not the only evidence we can go by. Linguistic and cultural evidence points to Samoa being the metropole of Tonga, i.e. the central governance of Tonga and nearby islands. It don't matter tho coz we are the same people. The only difference is your ancestors sailed to Tongatapu and mine stayed behind.
Those who sailed on went to discover Tahiti, Hawaii, New Zealand, and Rapa Nui. I'd say that's a great accomplishment!
@@alelokaoseumu The Journal of Pacific history: From Tongan meeting house to Samoan chapel: lol it was a good read Uce
What an enjoyable presentation. Very interesting
I am from Fiji. Still trying to figure out how I have Tongan and Samoa DNA. I may not the only one in Fiji have Polynesian DNA, however thanks for having this talk as it answers some of the my questions.
We’ll Tonga did invade and try to colonise Fiji back in the day the influence can still be seen in the Lau islands of Fiji and in sigatoka there’s ancient Tongan forts and the family’s of them still live there til this day
Interesting. Love hearing about how interconnected Polynesians were back then. We have a lot of doctors and historians in the comments. 😃 maybe the heated debates on here should have their own tedx talk some day.
I nominate the toks with 3+ accounts to go first 😂
Polynesian history is really cool
Love it when it comes from actual Tongans that know the History.
It’s a hard one to swallow for most but at the very least we are all children of Tagaloa_
that’s good enough for me
Malietoa Tanu II said that in Samoa, everyone is King. This is true largely to the extent that chiefly titles in Samoa derive their power to rule from the consent of families that owns that title. Everyone in Samoa has a faasigomaga and a claim to their village/district chiefly title. In Tonga, you have a supreme title that rules over you despite you having no familial connection or claim to the title. In Samoa, we don't do that. We refuse to have a King and we never did. When Malietoa or Mataafa was elevated to King, this was only done in the fashion of Europeans and so Samoans never accepted it. When Tonga boasts about being the only "remaining" monarchy in the South Pacific but then we see their "monarch"'s tradition echo European monarchs moreso than the Pacific way, I think we know who ultimately were more colonized in their hearts.
Samoa's cultural traditions are very rich and remain to this day. We can't say the same thing about the Samoan royal descendants in Nukualofa who wear thick wool in the middle of a tropical warm island weather. Samoa was colonized because big nations with big guns and more people saw value in it. As we both know, Samoa and Tonga didn't have any gunpowder and our populations are relatively low compared to foreign nations. There's nothing special about Tonga that would have prevent it from being colonized, except that your King submitted Tonga to the foreign nations, without any consultation or opposition from other royal house in Tonga. Why need conquer Tonga when the hearts and mind of your rulers were already conquered? See, this is the difference between us. In Samoa, Malietoa tried to take advantage of the British to win his little war with Mataafa and Lilomaiava. Meanwhile, Mataafa tried using the Germans to his advantage against Malietoa. Samoa is a country made up of many alii. We have diverse ideas about how Samoa should have been governed and that lead to different alliances and wars internally to solve that question. In other words, it built the foundational character of Samoa in the colonial period which we see now in the post-colonial information age. Samoa today, is arguably more developed and well structured than Tonga. We saw in 2006 how frail Tonga's European-style monarchy is.
King George Taufa’ahau Tupou 1 “accepted” christianity because of the back up and the weapons it came with it and basically declared himself as the “king” of Tonga. Though we weren’t technically “colonised” we were most definitely concurred.
History is written by the victor, and spoken history is disregarded as mythological.
Thank you for sharing! ❤️🕊🇹🇴
Well, it’s a good in sight of the history of some of the Polynesian islands.
This history is good for our Samoan and Tongan people to learn from and move on.
Jesus Christ is still the King of all Kings
Awesome to watch this video.
Fa’afetai lava Dr Opeti from Tonga
We Tongans never heard about this Tui Manua growing up - Tui Tonga is the only empire we know of.
Never did Tongan elders speak of the Tui Manua to me, so no idea where all the Manua stuff is coming from.
True 20 Lapita sites in Tongatapu first settlement before spreading out Manuka Heketa Ofu Ta'u Pangai Savaihi Havaihi named by Ancient Maui Tonga Fusifonua the Navigators
@@jmjm1920
Yup - tTonga has the oldest Lapita site in Polynesia.
@Tulouna Le Lagi
What has that have to do with anything I said? Lmao keep your irrelevant comments to yourself.
@Tulouna Le Lagi
Lmao I'm talking about who has the oldest Lapita sites, not talking about cultural influence. That is a seperate conversation.
@Tulouna Le Lagi
I don't agree with him on that theory, as Tonga has the oldest site in all of polynesia.
How can the Mayans hop over all the islands in between to get to Tonga?
We know Polynesians came through Fiji into Tonga, which is the closest archipelago to Fiji, before spreading out to the Pacific.
Yes the true history that most Tongans have never heard of. Glad its being taught more and more. Great presentation Tui Manu'a also taught by PHD historian Dr Okusitino Mahina and many more.
This is theory’s because If TuiManua was known as Samoa Atoa then Tonga would have remembered it as such and not known as Haamoa!!!! This would be re-examining and rewriting/reinventing the wheel for sure because in Tongan oral traditions, there is no mention of Samoa Atoa or Umiti!!! This video is a theory and his interpretation and not a fact!!!!
@@taumafakavatuitonga4285 only Tongan royals knew. Not the commoners. Like you lol
@@plocc9126 Tonga remembers Haamoa= Clan of Moa!!! No Samoa Atoa gibberish and no TuiManua Empire site anywhere on the grassland/mutia,vao of Fitiuta or on planet earth
@@taumafakavatuitonga4285 cite your credentials or sit down 🤣🤣🤣
@@increasepeace4996 who needs credentials to see that it’s only grass in Fitiuta?and Fitiuta only dates 1000ad or we ignoring that fact?
I’m very big on proof and sources. If he’s going to write a book on Tongan history he should probably utilize primary sources such as the Tongan royal family themselves. Otherwise I would question the validity of his book.
As if you care what the Royals say lol
The reason why HMQ Salote Tupou 3rd wrote and began much of Tonga’s History with the Tu’iTonga Uluakimata 1 the 28th of the Kings of Tu’iTonga was this is when Tu’iTonga’s not only stopped traveling back and forth to Samoa but also cut ties by no more marriages of alliances with Samoa due to a split of the dynasty creating the Tu’ihatakalaua dynasty. This is when Tonga national patriotic party began and broke off from Samoa. So the alliance between Tonga and Samoa became weakened..but Tonga turned and allied with Fiji at this time creating trade routes and marriages with Fiji’s paramount Chiefs around the early 1300C.E. which when the Tu’ihatakalaua dynasty began its golden age while Tu’iTonga line became weaker in political power only remained as a paramount Royal house.
💯💯💯
The relationship between Tonga and Fiji goes beyond that..
What a shame he states the importance of oral history yet disregards the oral history that has already been passed down by our chiefs/elders. Instead he chooses to rewrite history smh
Are you a scholar? Didn't think so. Next 🤣
@increasepeace4996 You got a lifetime supplies of hormones pills 😂 you live on here replying to everyone that disagrees with the TuiManua grass empire 😂😂 and the internet warrior award goes to Bro/sis 😂
@increasepeace4996 You got a lifetime supplies of hormones pills 😂 you live on here replying to everyone that disagrees with the TuiManua grass empire 😂😂 and the internet warrior award goes to Bro/sis 😂
@@taumafakavatuitonga4285 😂😂😂
@@taumafakavatuitonga4285 talking about hormones yet here you are crying like you're pregnant or something 🤣
Very interesting as a Rarotongan I very open minded where the ancestors migrated from thank you for sharing 👍
@@plocc9126 TONGA-ITI 🇨🇰🇨🇰🇨🇰 found Rarotonga 🌴 recorded in Rarotonga history and you can find it in the Cook Island Library and courthouse. And that's an actual fact🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That's mangaias origin of the Tonga iti😂😂no other island say they originated from tonga. Other then later interactions. Our islands traces their lines back to Tahiti and Samoa..us cookislanders are on the border between east and west polynesia but we are more eastern polynesian with a little hint of western. The two groups originally have 2 separate origins. Not everything in the south pacific began in samoa. Only in the White man's world.
@@originalclaymoreboy728west and east Polynesians ultimately have the same ancestors
@@originalclaymoreboy728 the Cook Islands do seem to be the bridge as you suggest. As for the two different lines would you chalk that up to Eastern Polynesians having ties the Americas and then Western Polynesians having more Asian influence?
Thank you Dr. Taliai
Good theory but if he can show where he gets the Tuimanua information from. There is no archeological evidence of the TuiManua empire.
How would you know? Are you an archaeologist?
@increasepeace4996 You still on them hormone pills 😂😂😂😂 Boy/girl stop it😂😂😂😂 So what archaeological findings do you know of in Manua grassland to support this TuiManure empire???? Nothing still right because the Dinosaurs destroyed this prehistoric empire of grass lol
@increasepeace4996 You still on them hormone pills 😂😂😂😂 Boy/girl stop it😂😂😂😂 So what archaeological findings do you know of in Manua grassland to support this TuiManure empire???? Nothing still right because the Dinosaurs destroyed this prehistoric empire of grass lol
@increasepeace4996 You still on them hormone pills 😂😂😂😂 Boy/girl stop it😂😂😂😂 So what archaeological findings do you know of in Manua grassland to support this TuiManure empire???? Nothing still right because the Dinosaurs destroyed this prehistoric empire of grass lol
The problem with this historians of the Tonga never talks to the right people of the Tuitonga decendants rather gathered their informations from all theses and theories... he doesn't represent the REAL TUITONGA LINEAGES AND THEIR STORIES, ..... queen salote was not in the tuitonga lineage, the current king isn't from the tuitonga lineage for your information... thus, queen salote collected all genealogies from people who have some genealogies and collected them in the office palace and from those information she mapped out how and when and where she came from.... .. where on earth he came up with the Tu'i Manua????? may be from Okusi but you see even okusi never talked to family of the Tu'iTonga and the descendants !!! the descendants of the Tuitonga knows the history better than these two, of course there are linked with samoa and fiji but their theories are opposite to what the family are orally learned and now documented. These historians never never never ask for the family any history, thus, most of his theories are foreign to the family !!! aia koe ngaahi lau ia ko eni oku fu'u alu kehe atu .. ikai ofi kihe me'a oku ilo he famili... this is far too left!!
And are you from the Tu'i Tonga line?
Manuka originally from Fisi Namuka which is Nomuka in Ha'apai and Manuka in Tongatapu brought to Ha'amoa Hahake by Ancient Tongan Navigators Ha'a Maui Tonga Fusifonua and Tavatava o Manuka as Tuimanuka Titles so when was Satiailemoa the first Tuimanuka started with 40 Chiefs Titles and 54 Tu'itonga Supreme Titles Timeline Last Tuimanuka Matelita 1890 Last Tu'itonga Laufilitonga 1826😊
Before the Tui Manua empire there was the Tui Polotu empire in Fiji which is more ancient its why in the connection of Tonga to Samoa is more recent history where Fiji and Samoa it’s more ancient and this was research done by a Samoan historian “Malama Meleisea” who collecting all the legends relating to Fiji and Tonga that there were legends about Fiji to Samoa vs Tonga and Samoa which they concluded that Fijis connection to Samoa was more ancient and mythological
Took him a long time to get to the point,lol,I'm feeling the story about Tangaloa!
Interesting. I know that some Samoans reached the Big Island of Hawaii and became the ancestors of the Kamehamehas and other Hawaiian royals, but I never heard that Oahu was part of Samoa ‘Atoa. What evidence does he have for that? Also, I always knew I had Tongan blood in me because of our relationship with Tonga for more than a thousand years. So I wasn’t surprised when my sisters and a cousin did their dna test and found out they had Tongan ancestry. However, the big surprise was when I studied my genealogy, I found out there is a Tupou in my family history.
Thursday eve - June 9, 2022.
Faaaloalo & Alofa to my Aiga Samoa
Verify what this guy is saying with your own indigenous stories....Because this here is nothing he grew up hearing from our elders and neither did Dr. Okusitino Mahina....these academics have taken into account collected stories from early Europeans and created their own theory and is now thrown around as if it's factual...
Dr. Opeti Taliai is mistaken: Tagaloa is not the TuiManu'a family name it is Moa and Tongans have always referred to Samoans as HaaMoa ...people/clan/family/tribes/descendants of Moa never HaaTangaloa
There's a Samoan story that Lu fled Tagaloa in Lagi down to earth where he found islands he named Samoa honoring his maternal uncle Moa....If Lu fled Lagi and found Samoa than Samoa is not Lagi realm of Tagaloa and Dr. Opeti's presentation is misinformation...incorrect...
Samoan Dr. Albert Refiti says that SaTagaloa were men sacred to Tagaloa who were tufugaga that they and Tagaloa Lagi were not Samoan but foreigners to Samoa.....There's a story that SaTagaloa built a Faleula for TuiManua and Tagaloa came to Samoa because and destroyed it and scattered the men....
Something in Tongan traditions are Sia/Mounds associated with Tangaloa that was inherited by Ahoeitu from his father Tangaloa EituMatupu'a the last of the ruling Tangaloa .....there are no mounds in Manu'a ....the carbon dates of Tau Manu'a doesn't predate Tongatapu ....none from eastern Samoa has predated the western samoa.....
If TuiManua predated TuiTonga why did the site in Faga, Fitiuta on Tau home island of TuiManua dated to have been inhabited as early as 1000AD? that's the peak of TuiTonga.....
Dr. Opeti Taliai nor Dr. Okusitino Mahina can produce no Tongan oral tradition that even hints an idea that Samoa or Manu'a is Lagi realm of Tangaloa.....There's no mention of a TuiManu'a ruling all of Tonga ...maybe all of Tau ....
But bro, where’s your PHD?
@DirtySouth275😂
All this rambling. Hard to understand. Like Joe Biden during the debate 😂
I knew it all along that we all are one people
Thank you so much !! 🙏
All Polynesians, come from Samoa. Like it or not.. ancient Hawaiian passed stories down from generations that they never returned back to the canoe that sailed BACK to Samoa. And therefore the elders in Samoa let those who stayed in what we know today as Hawaii, Home!
Also in indigenous Tahitian language, the word for Savai’i of Samoa is Oveahi which means “Father to the rest of Us/Them”
Maori also claim to come from Hawaiki? Hawaii? ITS SAVAI’I !!
I honestly wouldn’t care less if we all did but you’re acting like they were just walking the road to Hawai’i. Polynesians we’re sea voyagers and almost always looking for different islands to settle in, hence the reason they’re all over Oceania otherwise they would all just have returned to Samoa. You’re taking a small part of an oral history and ignoring the archaeological evidence. I honestly think this is why the ancestors fought one another, our prideful nature.
When the archeologists proved that Tonga was settled first, you guys discredit them because they’re white. Tu’i Tonga is the greatest Polynesian in history due to having the largest empire in Polynesia, he created Polynesia culture through imperialism.
Settled by Samoans leshhgoooo🤣💯🤫
@@mossways3767 I love bringing Tu’i Tonga up because it makes you Samoans smoke that copium
He didn’t discover Samoa is like Columbus discover USA.. Samoa we’re already migrate on the island.
@@Bigworm77 Tonga did discover samoa they are the oldest poly island lol
@@boxcuber Bro don’t bother sending them the evidence of the oldest artifacts being from Tonga, Samoans will just ignore archeological science and tell us their fairytales as evidence 😂
A genealogical snapshot of Tongan history...Fair to say, that it can regarded as a purely subjective perspective and narrative..:
When was Satiailemoa Tuimanuka started with 40 Titles and 54 Tu'itonga Titles timeline 🤔
Wake up brother. Oral history in Tonga never mentioned Tui manua. None nada. If all the Tui tonga before Uluakimata were living in Samoa then why would they call themselves Tuitonga? Makes no sense
@Fiabotnotlagaekaailouuluilefagupia and why is that not on Tongan history?
@@kakalutangitangi9869 stop reading your Mormon books and read some real Polynesian history. Another new bot, never ends lol.
@@manuhamoa Tongan history is taught in elementary school all the way up to high school in Tonga. We never learned of this Tui manua non sense. There is no archeological proofs of it like the Tui Tonga empire
@@manuhamoa please show us of any archeological proofs of this Tui manua non sense
@@manuhamoa there is a village called Manuka in Tongatapu where Samoans lived to serve the Tuitonga. Manuka is manua in Samoa. That's the only proof we have. Manua (Manuka) is the kitchen of the Tuitonga.
Must be an Atenisi student. Lahi pulusiti!
Not pulusiti. Just cause you don't like it doesn't make it pulusiti.
Where are your credentials?
@@dstan4549 my credentials began at the kaliloa, then onto fua fatongia, then tauhi vahaa. I live the Tongan life, not study it.
@@mrisen20 right, so in other words, you haven't studied the subject at hand. No credentials.
@@dstan4549 read the definition of credentials.
Before Tui Manua empire there was the Tui Polotu empire of Fiji
Yes I always thought it was strange, because Tonga in all Polynesian languages means south?south of what?
Tonga is South of Samoa
Tokelau (North) and Tonga (South), in between Samoa (Center). Te reo Maori Aotearoa, Tai Tokerau (North), Tai Tonga (South) etc.
South however Tongans also called it Tongatapu and nowadays we call it Tonga’eiki
@Swanatonga where U living @ garl hollla at me if ya in the GC
@@umsula Today it is called Thie Kingdom of Tonga under the Hau of Kanokupolu. Yea? Lol
That's interesting. New evidence in archeological finds, show that Tonga (nukuleka) was the first island in all of Polynesia to be inhabited by the Fijians from Pulotu 3000 years ago. That matches the oral history in Tonga that our first ancestors came from Pulotu (Fiji) where Havea Hilule'o the who was the oldest of Tangaloa and Maui motu'a dwelt. As the oldest female, she is where the fahu system is said to have derived from. This goes back before Tonga and Samoa were even discovered. The Fijians were the first to land in Tonga, and it is their royal bloodlines who are the only ones Eiki (ranked) over the Tongan Royal family. Wonder why Manua is not mentioned at all in that. I'm curious..
Before the Fahu system (Vasu in Fiji) was the Tama Sa, (Tama Ha in Tonga)
@raymanipili6387 that was way after Tonga was founded. It was implemented by the Tuitonga after Ahoeitu which was 950AD. There were kings long before Aho'eitu in Tonga. We're talking 1000BC. They had kings although they were not thought to have "devine" blood which is why they were over ruled. They are now referred to as kohai, koau, ko momo. It was during this time that the fahu system was implemented. Almost 2000 years before tama ha was a thing.
@@teti_99 I think you need to do a Ted talk brotha lol
@teti_99 Very true toko this talk is very strange as it does not mention Hikuleo our highest deity. He also ignores our roots from Pulotu. There is no mention of the first men in Tonga kohai, koau, and momo. It's as if he picked and chose specific pieces of history to use in this talk that honestly could lead others to further confusion.
@jayyoung5961 you nailed it toko. 💯 Kohai Koau Ko Momo we're WAY before Aho'eitu and from what I've heard, Samoa was named what is named by Tangaloa Eiki which is why it's called Ha'amoa in Tongan. Ha'a meaning the clan. Tangaloa Eiki from what I heard was given Tonga Mama'o (The far South) or Tonga Tapu (The sacred South) by as you mentioned, Hikule'o our highest deity while her dwelling place was pulotu. It was the Tangaloa Eiki's male predecessors (also named Tangaloa) who settled Manuka. Samoa was the epicenter for trading routs and and exchanging of goods and resources between the Polynesian islands. The perfect location for those traveling over seas. Manuka just happened to be growing in power at the time due to the reputation of the name Tangaloa. So as the village of Manuka was held in high regard to the Tongans, it was because it was settled by the Tangaloa line who were Tongan in origin but had intermarried with Samoan women of noble status, therefore the name Tangaloa became more Samoan by blood over time. Keep in mind this was almost 1,000 years after Tonga was found. The name was still defied in all of Polynesia and because it was carried down through the generations in Samoa, it was thought that Samoa was Tangalo Eiki's place of origin. But it is Tangaloa Eitumatupu'a (a far descendant of Tangaloa Eiki, the original) who comes from Manuka. It was much later that the chief Tangaloa from Manuka had wedded a woman of noble blood from Tonga (possibly Niua) name ilaheva va'epopua, and that was Aho'eitu. Approximately 900 years after Tangaloa Eiki was given Tonga Mama'o as his dwelling place by his big sister Hikule'o. Maui motu'a was the youngest of the three siblings and had nothing to his name which is why he and his lineage were know to be rebellious, mischievous and cunning. Because everything he did, he did for the people. Not the thrown. But I'm no historian by any means. Just did a lot of extensive research and had discussions with very prominent people who do this for a living in our community.
I enjoyed Dr Opeti’s presentation however I disagree with a large majority of it. I have never met a Tongan or had a Elder of mine discuss Tu’i Manu’a or SamoaAtoa at all. It’s incredible that the only Tongans I’ve heard this from are the same two Tongans that studied here in NZ (Most Samoans reference these two), Dr Opeti & Professor Mahina. So I’m not surprised with his presentation at all. Tevita Fale is a proper Tongan Historian.
I’m also not surprised Dr Opeti didn’t want to discuss the ‘archaeological findings’ in Tonga ‘Eiki & Samoa. It’s amazing, how some of our people love these unrealistic tales and automatically count them as truth 😂. They need to wake up and realise Moana is just a movie & no Maui didn’t catch the sun just like no one ‘fished’ up’ islands.
Damn Semi, how many accounts do you have? 😂😂😂
@Decrease, aw where’s your response? Did you delete it lol. Algood, go ask your Big Daddy Opeti for help. Your one was a bit elo 😂.
@@renegade9064 response to what Semi? Your comments are all the same no matter which account you use 🤣
@@increasepeace4996 any time Manuan gets they boohole tickled 😂😂😂😂 They calling em Semi now 😂😂😂😂😂😂 At first it was Renegade 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@taumafakavatuitonga4285 wtf? I was responding to Renegade and YOU responded. How many accounts do you have Semi? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Great presentation except that no references included but relying on some oral historian which is mythical, The archeologist that dugged up Nukuleka have Lapita pottery,languages and DNA evidences that we came from Asia which is hard to argue against them, but thankyou for an interesting and academic point of view.
South East Asia theory is BS....haha
I read the accounts of Queen Salote whose Royalty extends all the way to the Samoa Royalty mentioned the Sacred site in Toga, where once the Tui Manu'a resided ( taboo still in nowadays). It is recognized and protected as a Sacred Site of Historical Significance to our existence as Togans and Samoans!!!
There is no damn site in tonga lol
@@top5deadoralive746its called Sua. Tuu i Liahona
Tuitonga Takalaua supposedly married a Female Tuimanu'a Vaevalavemata.....his descendants lived in Samoa as Tuitonga holding TuiManua title with the Tuitonga title taking precedence.... TuiHaatakalaua was deputized as the ruling chief in Tonga during that time..... Uluakimata's father Tuitonga Tapuosi was the return of Tuitonga to Tonga .....Tapuosi was Salamasina's maternal uncle
Kataki ko Vaelaveamata Koe Tonga ne mali ia moe founder of Tu’ihatakalaua name Takalaua
@@umsula malo .... i was referencing the book authored and published by Morgan Tuimalealiifano .... i personally have never heard or seen the name Vaelavemata...and you maybe right ..... but Tuimalealiifano names her as a female TuiManua that Takalaua married ....contrary to the authority cited Niel Gunson who didn't name her🤷🏽♂️. ....
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Semi check out the new findings of new pyramids in Tonga in the village of Fua'amotu carbon dating to where all kings and chief started it was from Fua'amotu
This guy and dr okusi mahina needs a taa’i 🤣🤣😂
Tonga going through a crisis right now and you're here worried about a couple of old men 🤣🤣🤣
doesnt make sense
The statement that Tagaloa is the family name of TuiManua is incorrect 😂😂😂😂😂 Last i heard Moa was the family name of TuiManua 😂😂😂😂
Well, you better open them mfers wide open. And your eyes too(go use them laundry pins). You squintin’ too much.🤣🤣🤣👏🏽👏🏽
Tongan born Samoan ancestors Maliepo half brother of Aho'eitu the Tui Tonga Maliepo Lauaki side my grandmother Tonga Lauaki I was born in Nukuleka my father father my grandfather come from Nukuleka home of the Lapita people my grandmother Tonga Lauaki village Talafo'ou Tongan government don't see us as Tongan but the Tongan see us as Samoan born in Tonga
Share the history brother, I think the descendants of Ahoeitu older brothers need to shed light on this.
What ever makes you sleep better at night. Tonga believe they a right and Samoa believe they right.
Didn't realise Tonga was so small
The talatupu'a of Tonga does begin with the origin of Tangaloa and we haven't heard any literal translation of Tangaloa to mean fisher god. There's no tongan oral traditions that mentions a Samoa Atoa or TuiManua having dominion over Tonga. There's nothing tongan that speaks of a sacrifice of seafood offerings given to TuiManua in what they called umiti. TuiManua family name is Moa not Tagaloa. Tongans have always referred to Samoans as Ha'aMoa not Ha'aTangaloa. Ha'amoa translate as people/family/clan/descendants of Moa. Samoan historian Dr. Albert Refiti says Tagaloa and SaTagaloa are not Samoans but foreigners to Samoa. Dr. Albert Refiti also says Tagaloa clan arrived in Samoa bringing the Faleula to Manu'a around a thousand years ago thats 1020AD consistent with the carbon date of the site in Faga Ta'u Manu'a Island @1000AD. It would also be consistent with the 36 TuiManua list recorded by Authur Young who happened to be father of the TuiManua Makerita, no dates out of the eastern part of Samoa archipelago Ofu, Olosega, Ta'u seem to not predate the western Samoan dates. Dr. Albert Refiti also state that SaTagaloa secretly built a Faleula for TuiManua and that Tagaloa Lagi came to Samoa and destroyed the Faleula and scattered the men. Why would Tagaloa Lagi destroy the Faleula? was TuiManua unworthy of the sacred Faleula?
Academics such as Dr. Mahina have been saying that Samoa is Langi so as to say that Samoa is home of Tangaloa. Samoan traditions has it that Lu fled Tagaloa down to earth finding islands he named Samoa honoring his uncle Moa, that means Samoa is not Langi home of Tangaloa of which Lu fled. Tongan tradition has it that Ahoeitu in search for his father Tangaloa Eitumatupu'a who presided in Langi, he did not have to leave Tongatapu but that he climbed a Toa tree.. Langi being rooted in Tongatapu.
For academics such as Dr Taliai to make such claims that TuiManua predates Tuitonga, please show your work explain how you've reached that conclusion, of course using oral traditions/history, but please within the parameters of common sense 😂😂😂😂
Where in polynesia is the oldest archeological find located?
In tonga, Samoa Atoa 😆 🤣
Heiau in Hawaii
@@moefiki9901 can you please send me some links so I can read, especially scientific research?
@@luhala1908 What is your E-mail?
@@moefiki9901 my email? For what? 🤔... "share" your links here so that we can all see and read
Toe rewrite foou e koe History o Tonga..ka fanongo kau faiako Tonga heni ita lahi mooni😂
I’m Samoan and my DNA results came back with 10% Tongan blood my great grandmother was Tongan from Afa in Tongatapu I’m 43 now
Where did you take this DNA test bro?
Thanks for sharing mr taliai malo aupito
Where in our tongan traditions speak of SamoaAtoa? ....where is the Umiti? .....how do you fit the TuiManua to have ruled a supposed empire in the timeline???
This Tulouna Le Lagi guy keeps accusing me of being a semi langi alt account 😂
@@grappling.enthusiast oh please. l will name you Tui Momo instead, how apt is that. We all know your various aliases, you try and hide but your Tongafisi head keeps popping up. Poor feke.
@@grappling.enthusiast yeah don't pay it too much mind ....😂😂😂😂 the uso know what time it is ...he just in tremendous denial .... outside his fairytale margaret mead stories there's nothing back it but perhaps other fairytale..... the fanua/land doesn't back it😂😂😂😂
@@manuhamoa
Lmao I'm not anyone lol, I have had this account for years, and watch various stuff.
Your an actual joke.
@@grappling.enthusiast ok Tui Momo, we all know
Samoa do your history Tonga we are your daddy this guy won’t say everything the truth just do your study before you come at me lol😂
Opeti Taliai is Tongan 🤣
@@moefiki9901 when?
Yk this is bullshyt right nd it would’ve been on world history?
If we take a look at the umiti ceremony alone???? Where did they hold such ceremony...and for what purpose?....and was it a fish offering??😂😂😂😂😂
This Samoa Atoa .....means all of Samoa 😂😂😂😂 not Tonga or Fiji😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
But whats the time frame .. did these events take place??? For how long and why was it discontinued????
Early Europeans have written som stuff taken out of context etc
Bro just listen carefully n learn something ok.
9:00 do you understand now?
Been asking since the first Major appearance of this TuiManua rule in the year of our lord 2001 when wikipedia was launched 😂 Where is the sites for the TuiManua Empire located in Manua ????and it’s 2022 there’s no photos of any geographical landscape and only landscape poetry 😂🤣😂🤣
it's Taumafa Kava Tui Tonga for now, Semi Langi another day, Ana Tangi another, Renegade, Togapower another and so on... how many aliases you have man. I think Tui Momo would be a perfect alias for you. You are a joke, you offer nothing to our rich history other than conjecture. Your fervent hatred for Samoa is so obvious. Now go and use your other aliases to continue your feke ways. Adios Tonto.
@@manuhamoa 😂🤣😂🤣 Anyone that points out the landscape of Manua does not support any indication of rule of the pacific 😂🤣😂🤣 and you call it Hate😂🤣😂🤣 TuiManua means the little Fasi Momo islands to the east of the Samoan islands!!!! There was never a TuiSamoa title and the documentary of Salamasina TupuOSamoa and absolutely zero is mentioned of Manua or TuiManua being included 😂🤣😂🤣Reply to my comment on where is the sites for the TuiManua rule with accusations of hate because you know of Zero sites just like this thesis paper presentation provided no photo of the Land/Fonua and only Landscape Poetry 😂🤣😂🤣
@@taumafakavatuitonga4285 Tui Momo's bots are at it again, what a laugh. When Tonga's academia and historians with PhD bring forward their research,, the Haa Mea'vale' then offers conjecture to discredit their own scholars. Trumpism at its best. Classic Mea'vale talavou. A pyrrhic victory indeed. Adios Tonto
@@manuhamoa It’s a thesis paper based on biographical history and landscape poetry LoL but you believe it to be factual LoL
@@taumafakavatuitonga4285 and you believe your uncle Tevita that Tagaloa and Maui are from America? Utter nonsense Tui Momo
If anybody has every heard the name namoa please lmk. It’s the name of my something great grandfather.
Just ask A.I it'll tell you, Nuku Leka in Tonga is the oldest settlement. Dates back 2,900 years ago!
This thesis paper can be destroyed in 3 minutes with scientific evidence and ancient artefacts 🤣🤣🤣 but yeah i understand it is theoretical.
Oh yo got any sources toko?
@@Jay-ph8rkhes got none lol, like most other dokos they think because theres Lapita pottery = they started polynesian culture but if thats the case, theres lapita pottery in fiji too 😂 straight up 🤡’s
@@Jay-ph8rk source for what?
@@dommy1852 the oldest tatoo kit was found in Tonga, the oldest lapita pottery was also found in the town of Nukuleka in Tonga by archaeologists proving Tonga the oldest polynesian sites. These artefacts are preserved in Australia's national university. Fiji Sigatoka dunes have been proven to be several centuries younger than Tonga. Go back to sleep 🤡
@@tokoforlyfe2384 like where to find the information dox, wanna learn a little about the evidence & artefacts.
thank u Opeti taliai for blowing Kae 🤣 we have found many new pyramids in Tonga new excavations says that Tonga started the line of kings 😂😂😂 poor u vale kaitae
So this theory is purposing that the TuiManua empire existed before the TuiTonga empire and it included Oahu but carbon dating shows that Hawaiian islands was settled in the time of the TuiTonga. 🤔 Before the TuiTonga , the other islands was not yet discovered lol according to factual history but not biographical history 😂
@taumafakavatuitonga4285 his research paper was written in 2007. I think he had no idea of the laipta discovery in 2009 and artefacts 2019. So he probably needs to re-examine and update his research paper 🤣🤣
The Tui Manu'a empire included an area called Wahua. Some think this means Oahu but it's not definitive.
@@increasepeace4996 that’s just the thing Sis, 😂the only thing definite about this TuiManua empire is there’s nothing left but grass and stories 😂
Bra gotta get his speech together....
SamoaAtoa is nowhere in tongan talatupu'a
I knew you would be here. Why so ita? 🤣🤣🤣
@@increasepeace4996 because no one can present any actual samoan or oral traditions... Dr. Mahina and this Dr. included
@@increasepeace4996 that's difference.....i ask questions im tryna make sense of how theyve reached their conclusion 😂😂😂😂
@Semi Langi Lol. Sounds like someone’s mad that Tonga wasn’t as big as they thought. Lmao
@@noneofyourbusiness960 uce, that's coz there was no Tui Tonga empire. That thing they called an empire was just influence through intermarriage and interliving. You can hardly qualify that as an empire in the fashion of Romans ruling the Jews or Romans expanding to North Africa. lol
That’s why Tonga is always hitting above its weight and imitated by Samoans because Tongans are Samoans 😂 … Tonga are descendants of the lapita people and evidence of the largest amount of material pottery and such which has been found scattered throughout the Pacific was found in Tonga which was found with the ancient boat crafting vessel and tools added with the Ha’amonga which is believed to have acted as a great compass which helped Tonga navigate with the stars and helped its descendants great sea voyages all across the pacific merging this near smallest island nation right across the pacific spectrum, to put it simply …Tonga were very busy across the pacific …conclusion ‘The world is still merging ‘ and from Neanderthal we’ve come along way.😂 From oral to written 😂🎉
7:21 he almost said TELEFUA🤣😂
This guy just banned himself from the kava circle 😂
I’m not surprised
No but fr tho
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This is contradiction to Samoan Dr. Albert Refiti who says Tagaloa Lagi and SaTagaloa were not Samoan that they were foreigners to Samoa
That SaTagaloa arrived in Manu'a bringing the Faleula around one thousand years ago ....1020AD
Still waiting for that source 🤣
@@increasepeace4996 what source are you asking for???? Are you asking me to provide Samoan Wikipedia sources???😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Can you provide one picture of the site location where the TuiManua ruled from???...
@@semilangi5432 , AnaTangi, Togapower, Renegade, BoxCuber...shucks too many to name. Biggest Feke ever, adios Tonto!!
Tongans did not come from hawaii
And no other island originally come from tonga..you were immigrants when your empire was finding new places to live😂
Dr...you're intertwining stories
You won't find umiti in Tongan traditions
Might find it in pre-tongan traditions
Okay Semi Maama lol.
The most simplest way to know that this is another theory and his own interpretation! Tonga doesn’t remember Samoa Atoa gibberish and remembers Haamoa =Clan/Family of Moa
@Tulouna Le Lagi did I say Opeti was false or did I say it was Thesis/Theory? Lol Ofa Atu Uce
@@taumafakavatuitonga4285 do you have any proof to disprove his theory? Didn't think so. You just don't like what he says, therefore it's automatically untrue. Doesn't work like that siana 😂
@@increasepeace4996 theory is not a fact but an interpretation of his!!!!!!A lot of grass in Fitiuta is a Fact!!!!
@@taumafakavatuitonga4285 I asked you specifically if you had anything to disprove his theory and you mention grass smdh. Funny how you straight away believe Tevita Fale and his fairy tales though. Keep that same energy 🤣
All evidence Lapita sites in found in Tongatapu Western Vanuatu Fisi Tongatapu and Ha'amoa not East Manuka by airlines lol even Oldest Tatau instrument found in the Ancient fortress village of Pea Tongatapu 2700 years old made of human bones 700BC can't reach 😊
More fairy tale stories
Manu'a Islands
OFU
OLOSEGA
TA'U
Haunted islands 😂
It would appear that Dr. Opeti Taliai share some of Dr. Mahina's views ...theories that are supported by the chiefly language used to address the Tuitonga and the continued ties with Samoa😂😂
@Tulouna Le Lagi TuiManua is a female line👍👍👍👍 apparently anyone can be a TuiManua 😂😂😂 the Scottish the British Bulldog maybe even the German Shepherds 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Tulouna Le Lagi uce .....according to Samoan Dr. Albert Refiti it is clear from the chants that Tagaloa Lagi and SaTagaloa were not Samoan they were foreigners to Samoa....they arrived in Manu'a around a thousand years ago....1020AD instigating the kingship of TuiManua 🤷🏽♂️🤔
@Tulouna Le Lagi why would Arthur Young record that their were 36 TuiManua????🤔 And i do believe he was TuiManua Materita and Chris Young's father.....either he was afakasi or he was straight palagi🤷🏽♂️
Do the math with 36 TuiManua 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 uce ....really fact check ...make sense of ya fabricated stories 😂😂😂😂😂
@Tulouna Le Lagi The last Tangaloa Eitumatupu'a installed Ahoeitu Tuitonga
Where's the story of Tagaloa Lagi installing TuiManua????? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Lu was the son of Lu (daughter of Tagaloa) according to your traditions.....who was his father???😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The end of the Tangaloa era was the beginning of Tuitonga.....
@@semilangi5432 you don't know Tongan history so what makes you think you know Samoan history? Come on siana 🤣
Tongans have always referred to Samoa as Haamoa
SaTagaloa translate as Ha'aTangaloa that is likely the old name they referred to the Tongans as....
Samoa is not the home of Tangaloa neither is Manu'a
@Semi Langi Lol. And your evidence for that? Just spoutin’ nonsense. Troll. Get outta here🤣Tonga has always been referred to as Tonga. As well as Fiti. No Tagaloa affiliations with Tonga other than Ahoeitu himself. 🤡
Nothing but lies coming from you. Nothing to back it. Clown😂
@@noneofyourbusiness960 uce check Samoan Dr. Albert Refiti 😂😂😂😂😂😂
There's Samoan traditions saying Samoa isn't Langi home of Tagaloa
Lu fled Tagaloa down to earth finding islands he named Samoa honoring his uncle Moa😂😂😂😂😂😂 troll deez nutts.... this ain't no trolling to hate😂😂😂😂
@@noneofyourbusiness960 aye Samoa manufacturered most stone tools ...but there's no stone structures built in Samoa😂😂😂
@@noneofyourbusiness960 if you knew the history...share it....
Dr. Mahina and Dr. Taliai can't show they work......ask them how they reached their conclusion and they have none😂😂😂😂😂
@@noneofyourbusiness960 there's nothing in Manu'a that says it was an Empire 😂😂😂 nothing in Samoa that says it was home of Tangaloa😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Tonga has the most Lapita sites in all Polynesia Manuka originally from Fisi Namuka which is Nomuka in Ha'apai and Manuka in Tongatapu brought to Ha'amoa Hahake by Ancient Tongan Navigators Ha'a Maui Tonga Fusifonua and Tavatava o Manuka as Tuimanuka Titles also named Savaihi in Ha'amoa Havaihi in Hawaii big Islands as Vaihi Continent They found the oldest tatau instrument in the Ancient fortress village of Pea Tongatapu 2700 years old 700BCE made of human bones so when was Satiailemoa the first Tuimanuka with 40 chiefs Titles started Matelita last 1895 Laufilitonga the last Tu'itonga 1826 timeline 🤔
loielo loielo
We're all Samoan. The original kingdom of all of Polynesia is Manu'a. Manu'atele a.k.a. Samoa Atoa!
You wish tongas the oldest in the pacific so sit down kid
WHEN did Satiailemoa Tuimanuka start 🤔
True there is an old cookisland chant where they say Manuka Tere avaiki and kuporu is the birthplace of eastern polynesia..but then later on mixed with the natives of the Americas.. Tongas so called empire sprung from samoas shadow and tried to take claim of everything😂
Cook islanders history refer to one of our Chiefs name Karika, who migrated to Rarotonga from (Manuka-tere) aka Manu’a, Samoa.
@Fiabotnotlagaekaailouuluilefagupia Tonga has the most Lapita sites in all Polynesia even the oldest tatau instrument found in the Ancient fortress village of Pea Tongatapu 2700 years old 700BCE Fitiula wasn't born yet Manuka originally from Fisi Namuka which is Nomuka in Ha'apai and Manuka in Tongatapu brought to Ha'amoa Hahake by Ancient Tongan Navigators Ha'a Maui Tonga Fusifonua and Tavatava o Manuka as Tuimanuka Titles also named Savaihi in Ha'amoa Havaihi in Hawaii big Islands as Vaihi Continent Pulemelei Siaheulupe were built by Tu'itonga Momo Talafata 2 1100AD from Hau o Momo Uno o Sangone story similar to Talietumu in Uvea built by Kau'ulufonua Takalaua 1200AD Talakaifaiki 3 beginning of Havea Malietoa Titles when Tuna and Fata ambushed the Tu'itonga Kava Ceremony 😊 When was Satiailemoa the first Tuimanuka started with 40 Chiefs Titles and 54 Tu'itonga Supreme Titles Timeline 🤔 Last Tuimanuka Matelita 1890 Last Tu'itonga Laufilitonga 1826 with all evidence found in Tonga as the birth place of Polynesia 🇹🇴
Where did this SamoaAtoa story begin????......there's no tongan traditions of a SamoaAtoa😂😂😂 so i don't know where the Dr. Taliai is getting this from???? That there were 6 Samoan islands😂😂😂😂 There is no tongan tradition saying those 6 islands belonged under TuiManua 😂😂😂😂😂 Sounds like something he is adding to tala tupu'a of Tonga
2:20 "Tongan history is what the highest chiefs say" 🤣🤣🤣
There are most certainly ties to the east when it comes to Samoa/Manu’a bud.🤣 Especially, the ones he mentioned.
@@increasepeace4996 It makes sense for the current Tonga's royal family to acknowledge their Samoan side because they are now the highest chiefs🤣.
@@noneofyourbusiness960 ask about the ties when Tuitonga Takalaua married Vaelavemata a female Tuimanu'a....who's descendant lived in Samoa holding the TuiManua title but with the Tuitonga title taking precedence.... Morgan Tuimalealiifano cited Niel Gunson in his published book..... 1375AD to 1500AD
@@increasepeace4996 yeah....the thing is ......Tuitonga is thhousand years of history before the Tuikanokupolu line
Europeans love to divide and label things but in actual fact melanesians , Polynesians and Micronesia really has no meaning all of the cultures in the pacfic are related and are in fact the actual name of the greater pacfic region based on actual cultural ties and links is Austronesians so PNG , Fiji, Solomons , Samoa, Tonga NZ we all related culturally and genetically in some way and we are part Austronesian family group Polynesian and these titles Europeans gave use are not based on Cultural at all totally irrelevant labels. The cultures in the pacfic are all related .
Dogon and Tonga story of beginning is the same!!! Proof we ain’t Asian! Don’t let them confuse us any longer!!! Thank Ancestors.
That's why nz made a law 1980 no Asian to mate with a samon only pakeah bloodline lol.
You just want to be African lol
This TuiManua story Le Folasa is not tongan sourced😂😂😂😂
Folaha is named after Folasa. hes referencing the tala tupu'a according to Niuatoputapu.
"Tonga mama'o"
@@moefiki9901 there is no niutoputapu Talatupu'a 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@semilangi5432 are you gna add thus to your leg pulling videos? Haha
@@moefiki9901 Leg pulling is a Manua tradition!!!! Be proud of your grandma’s pulling Margaret Meads legs because she became famous 😂😂😂😂😂 is there Title for this event in Manua? Is it celebrated like Elisala ceded?
This means Hawaii belongs to Polynesia
I’m no historian, but I’ve always thought that Tongans were originated from Samoa. I’ve always thought that the royal family had a feud or disagreement and decided to rebel, which is not common in history, and took his army or subjects, or people with him, and started the Tongan kingship empire, and end up taking over Samoa during his reign..
Even to this day there still sacred to ALL samoa