Silver Eagle Turbine Conversion
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2024
- Wanna go fast and climb like hell? That's what the Silver Conversion of a P210 with a Rolls Royce turbine engine does. Aviation Consumer's Paul Bertorelli recently took a flight demo in the airplane.
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watching in 2020 its kind of like watching those old 70's videos lol
Before anyone says the Turbine is a gas hog, remember that the P210 goes 180kts, 16gph with 1000ft/min climb at $6.09/gal Avgas vs the Turbine P210 goes 215kts, 23 gph with 2500ft/min at $5.79/gal JetFuel. I did a rough calculation and it's almost a wash. Now, price is where it gets you. Average price P210, $250,000 vs Turbine P210, $500,000 (on controller). Overhauls are higher $ in turbine, but less frequent. Bottom line: Turbines are 50-100 times safer than a Piston... I'll finance that extra $250,000! (these are rough numbers, btw)...
My dream plane !!! 215kts, 1100 nm range, 4 pax + bags, burning 22-23 gals/hr simply can not be beaten !
Ah hell no, there’s no bird strike protection, no ice protection in the intake. Where’s the inertial separator like a PT6 has. This is a fools money pit.
tropicthndr That stainless steel intake may have de-icing function. And because the RR engine has a centrifugal compressor instead of an axial compressor it may not need the separator.
@@tropicthndr Intresting that in late january of this year a Bonanza tradewinds turbine with the same RR/Allison suffered a bird strike on takeoff. Both pilots died. The only turbine i would buy would be the turbineair Bonanza with the PT6. This wouldnt happen with the pt6-21. While its sadly not pressurized it can do 225kts at 12,500 and 255ktas at FL240.
this is what happens when you expose a single stage compressor rotor at the front of the aircraft. Extremely poor choice to use a helicopter engine for those aircraft.
@@patriotsfan1236 You're a fkn idiot
Love how the right portion of the Instrument Panel is angled towards the left seat, really great feature that also looks good!:)
It is slightly faster than the piston engine, fuel burn a little higher but the per gallon cost is a bit lower. Initial cost is a shocker over the piston.
The piston engine needs near-contant TLC to keep it healthy. Turbine doesn't need work as often, but when it does, it is costly.
The big thing to keep in mind is that the days of leaded av-gas are coming to an end. Av-gas prices in some parts of the world are over $20/gallon. So its diesels or turbines.
Would love to take a Cessna 210 RG pressurized model, and customize it
to what I feel would be an awesome aircraft. Here's the dream:
Strengthen and reinforce the wing-spars/ribs, 2. Add two turbo charged
powered ducted fans, one under each wing and as close to the fuselage
as possible, for increased center-line thrust, 3. Replace as many
parts/panels, etc. as possible with carbon fiber materials, 4. Lose all
of the steam gauges/radios and replace with "just enough" glass
avionics/instrumentation/radios, so as to help keep the weight to a
minimum, 5. Add a nose intake, that would house a back-up emergency
electric wind turbine, 6. Replace original cowling with a more modern,
light weight composite, rounded nosed cowling, 7. Have interior
completely upgraded, adding the latest/greatest in noise insulation, 8.
Mount (2) 10" Tablet, articulating mounts just aft of the front seats,
9. Add a FADEC, 10. Replace the "push"/"pull" throttle, with a more
sportier T-handle throttle, 10. New paint of course. 11. Add Vortex wing
generators, 12. Replace the wing tips with composite winglets. That's
about it. Go ahead and laugh, make jokes, but I think it would look very
sleek, modern and simply be one awesome aircraft! If you took the time
to read all of this, thanks! Your thoughts?
paul bertorelli is the shizzle!
nothing like a high performance ship!
What's the story on this engine and FOD? The PT-6 installations all have some form of inertial separation to keep debris that enters the inlet from making it into the turbine.
Think shock cooling, high rate of climb, short runway abilty, a whole lot more reliable engine, higher TBO, flying over rugged terrain/oceans. Thats not doable/safe with a piston.
And turbines sound great!
It's what I'll buy when I when the lottery. Great airplane!
What Paul said in this video is that they were truing out at 197ktas at 23-24gph on a warm day... that's not bad. That's what a Seneca V is reported to be able to do at that altitude and burns about the same. But even one turbine is probably more reliable than two piston engines, plus this 210 they flew was pressurized. Also are you stating 140ktas or indicated for your C72R? Cause I think that's where your throwing EatMyPropwash for a loop... Your 140kts is correct for TAS which is about 125IAS
Are the Turbine Engines they use for these conversions New or Used? What other planes use these same engines?
can I put the RR flying lady on the cowl?
Derated to 450HP?.....now that's funny!!
Well, I said I would only ever own Cessna A/C, but the more I research the Piper Saratoga, the more I like it, just hate that they never made a Pressurized version! If the Saratoga was ever made with a Pressurized Cabin Model, though O&N only converts Cessna A/C, it would be a tough decision between the C-210 w/Silver Eagle conversion and a P-Saratoga w/Silver Eagle conversion! Man, a P-Saratoga w/Silver Eagle conversion would be awesome!:)
yeah piper never made a pressurized version sadly. the closest thing to a pressurized saratoga would be a Malibu but that its a completely different bird
I think they should do the same to the Cessna skymaster.
i had flown my C172 RG at 154sm/ GS with tail wind and 5500ft, on a normal fly with no wind she perform mostly like you stated
perfect for long hauls. probably cheaper to operate than a 310 or equivalent.
@paintballguy113 good luck. you are going to have so much fun. i just started talking lessons not to long ago. i got about 8hours now :).
Are you well along in your flying career now or do you fly for recreation?
Wonder if they would do a 337 conversion?
they did a 340 conversion ( the 340 is the 337 but pressurized) although not many have been sold
Hey stealhty1 now you know what Scotty and Capt. Kirk went though every time Mr. Spock had to correct them. LOL
Man I can't wait to get my PPL. I've been saving $ for a long time and I'm finally going to take lessons sometime in 2011. I'm hoping to get it the summer before my Senior year in High school I am going to be a junior this year. Also sweet video.
Ian Carlson did you get your PPL?
Biggest thing in learning to fly is financing. Beg, borrow or steal but best thing is go talk to banker. Line of credit is cheap and will get you through it. Last thing you want is to run short of funds. It’s not cheap but it’ll pay off in long run.
@paintballguy113 Good luck, and have fun!
Oh, and JET is cheaper and more available worldwide than AVGAS.
@captg5 Flying the same profile with the stock 210 is a waste of money.
I want one
@stealhty1
197 KTS, not 179.
ok ok 197 LOL,however for the amount of fuel it burn and the cost of turboprop
engine i better stay with C172s and now ven moving to E-LSA
Tirbin? or you mean Turbine
or turban - would you like a pappadam with that?
Anyhow RR my ass. Call it an Allison turban :)
In all seriousness this is one very very impressive conversion. If I had a single engine plane this would be it.
High wing planes rock for sightseeing anyhow but this would make for an extremely flexible platform for touring in varying conditions. One hopes the exceptional flexibility doesn't lead some pilots into a false sense of security however. I am genuinely impressed by this plane.
There's ATC audio of one of these gliding down from 21,000 ... 'cuz the engine stopped.
ok ok i got it , silver eagle kick a*s :)
@flexairz ...I see it like this. The Cessna 210L that I fly has a 1600lb usefuel load and does 170 kts true on 15gal/hr. Here, your doing 190 true with 23 gal/hr, and for an extra 650K not including the original purchase price of the plane, its hard to justify. In a turbine 210 from Orange County to Vegas vs a standard 210 you would maybe save yourself 10 minutes but would burn more fuel. Bang for the buck, just dont see it. Unless you wipe your ass in 100 dollar bills, then fine.
If you got the money burn then its a cool plane…otherwise, I just don't think it makes sense.
179 KTS @ 17000 FT with 23.5 GPH ???????
i get on my C172 RG
140 KTS @ 5500 FT WITH 10.5 GPH and stay in the BUDGET flying family cruiser
cool plane, but a waste of money
@stealhty1 197
Can you say "turbine" not "turban".
I call BS. I have over 1,000hrs in the C172RG and plenty of them on long XC's over 800 miles long swapping airplanes for our company in KADS. I've only flown ONE, I repeat ONE RG out of at least 15-20 that would cruise at 140KIAS at 3,500ft at 22"MP and 2300RPM... It was a factory freak. All the rest would cruise at 125-130KIAS. Looking at the POH at 6,000ft with 24"MP and 2400RPM its only doing 137KTAS. The 8k, 10k, and 12k charts only shows 140KTAS at FULL POWER.
I hate high-wing airplanes..