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- I call this misconception of a good unit review, the early game cecia paradox. And in today's video, I am going to explain why Mtashed is actually sound in his unit review!
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Do you think Mtashed is right?
Great takes man, hope you do collabs with Mr Mtashed in the future.
Mtashed has its reasons and they are valid, but more important than that, I think every creator has the right to have their opinions on characters in a video game without facing such harsh backlash
So rank up any good hero (Ceciia for exp.) to the mythic+ (with no ex. weaopon upgrade) is not overinvest i guess?
I agree. I also played in the beta servers and reached the end. I can still use Cecia because she is my maxed out character but many accounts surpassed me long ago while I'm having difficulty reaching the higher stages.
If you're going to be doing this CZcams thing. This should be your sign-off everytime. "If you guys still don't get it, my IQ must not be low enough" LoL
Omg. My guy saving my life and reputation in the community lmao
I wonder how long it will take for the checkmark on your account
It's ok bro, what you said made sense to me. People don't get that heroes are relative.
people who use their own brain and logic know that. its always frustrating to realize that the majority of people are like sheeps.
But you tell everyone to push cecia… didn’t he just annihilate that point lmao
@@dan_963_ the sheeps parroting that Eironn is the only choice in the hero selector box...
makes sense! i think it's great that you're pointing out that the reason you put that value on Cecia and Florabelle is because of the UTILITY of the character in your account, rather than how "good" the character is in a situation. it's helpful to understand that putting a value on a character is more about how you can use them in your account's progression.
for me, i don't really care about progressing so much in this game. i have a habit of being so focused on meta and progression that i stop having fun, so i promised myself i will just play this game for fun and for the good art and fun story. and honestly? i'm having lots of fun just growing the characters i like and finding out ways to make them work well. it's not the most efficient or optimal, but i don't mind because i'm using the characters i like and i'm having fun, which is what i'm playing this game for. i understand Florabelle probably won't help me that much in the long run, but i love her design and i love playing characters who summon things so i'm going to build her! as long as you understand your reason and understand what you're doing, i don't think it's a bad thing.
great video as always!
"if you don't get it i guess my IQ is not low enough" I WHEEZED
He is right in his review. I am at 29M power with her at Supreme+. She feels very mid. She does shine with Rowan and Eironn. But even with Ceciia she kind of sucks, the ramp up is way too slow. Florabelle does fine in Abyss Tower, but other comps are much easier to slot in than her.
I'm just starting. What units should I invest in then?
@@YokNg standard banner units like thoran, smokey, cecia, rowan, etc.
thanks for all the content man! been a great help and very informative for my room temp iq
I think a lot of CC (content creators) who reviewed Florabelle against Cecia didn't really talk about the "strategic component" that Florabelle brings into the fight compared to Cecia. Florabelle is a 1 character, 4 bodies type of unit. Each body takes up 1 tile on the board. What this means is all these "occupied tiles" can serve as deterrent/obstacles to the enemy team, especially their melee units. It disrupts their optimal pathing, provides distractions to soak up enemy skills and ultimates. This is something which CC missed out.
Also another important thing about Florabelle that is different from Cecia. Florabelle's 1st minion is dropped on the board 1sec right into battle compared to Cecia who requires her ulti to beg Carlyle into existence. That 1 sec delay helps as it can help form a slightly better frontline defense so the backline can do their stuff undeterred. 1 sec delay also ensures the spear kid is able to meet enemy backline rushers.
And last thing about Florabelle vs Cecia. Florabelle's recasting of ulti can reposition Smash without care of terrain nor obstacles (can "teleport"). Cecia's recasting of ulti on the other hand, doesn't help reposition Carlyle.
Both are played so differently, not sure why still want to compare both of them.
They are compared because they serve the same function. To push afk stages. Florabelle is mediocre in any other game mode. The point of this review was to again point out that the MOST important content is dream realm and arena which florebelle is mediocre. You don’t care about enemy pathing currently in dream realm. Arena maybe, but with eironn comps at the top pathing isn’t much of an issue. I have florbelle at supreme+ and I used her on stages to get to 1125. Since I got it, she hasn’t been used at all.
@@Sire71186 icic thanks for the info.
Early DPS power creeping?
Tho I would rather have another Graveborn Support to pick for Limited.
It is had to judge them both. In short, Cecia is good early to mid due to availability of investment but regarding power level at the same level of investment Florabelle wins. Again, stop comparing them both only as there are other choices for investment
I love this, great video. I personally haven't used Cecia since day 1.
Buffer Supports and Tanks are just a priority for me.
Maybe a Graveborn support for my Thoran + Cecia team.
Do want to say, think even bigger than the cheaper rates on standard banner is the over double a level hero rate. The sooner you can get m+ marilee, odie, korin, the better rewards in dream realm, 22.5% vs 10% is a HUGE difference, f2p should always go for standard banner
Great job
thank you for the incredibly useful video, but I just had a question after it, can you advise which heroes should be the first to raise their stars, a better list)) thank you.
id like to see more modes that take one unit or like 3 or something. just too add value to some units that might not work that well in the damage rush boss modes
do you recommend leaving odie at mythic+ and start building marilee or keep going on odie till hes supreme+?
Supreme should be good for him
good analysis. thanks.
Very nice work man
Cecia is really affective if you have Rowan in your team otherwise it takes quite some time for Mr carlyle to come out
i liike the cut g
looks really good on u
I did not know cecils golem was tankier in the past, but i ironically use Cecil + iron artifact which makes it pretty tanky too. :P
Thank you. You saved me from buying cecia cards in Arena.
Are Koko and Odie good investments
Thank you for being honest.
This video is damn funny and insightful for the community to be honest.
Everybody is too clouded with the early progression momentum from Cecia and discounted all the other factors which were stated in the video.
@Zeeebo from this Cecil paradox explanation, what do you think within reasonable limits to ascend Cecia to without burning too much resources? I was always under the impression that mythic + would be great and then move on
Yea I guess that's a good gauge
Considering I basically never pull outside of pity, the rate up banner is a guaranteed S-level at 12k crystals whereas the regular is 16.2k crystals. Even if you get the discounted invite letters in the emporium everyday, it’s still 600 more crystals than rate up.
True but you get many more A-heroes from standard pulls which for f2p is fantastic. You'll need many m+ heroes for all different game modes
Getting to afk 1125 just meant I'm gated for several days lol. Res 190, so i still have remnant peaks 7 and 8 to clear
Hello Zeeebo, I agree with you, and MTashed that Florabelle is not herself OP. I don't think any of the heroes are OP. It's just that each hero has their own pros and cons or meta on specific content. So far, I have both Cecia and Florabelle on my team, but not necessarily on my main team. I used them for specific content.
I'm really excited about the upcoming Battle Drill, and I saw you opened it. Is Misty Woods the Round 3 Battle Drill? I asked because Round 2 Battle Drill in our server will end today. I've been looking for a CZcams reference to plan ahead on our strategy, similar to what I did for Round 2. I hope you can create content regarding Round 3 Battle Drill. Thanks!
Thank u for this video. I am f2p and was spending my diamonds for her. But not anymore.
so what should I buy from arena shop? I can buy 2 copy from there with saved coins and I was planning for cecia since she would be able to be mythic+
But you said she do not deserve it, I am free to player, 0 pulls left and no mythic + obtained. So I am here to listen to u, what would u do?
If you can buy reiner from arena shop thats probably the best option
"Why are you torturing yourself?" As a free to player who was going for her I felt called out
Hi Zeeebo, so from a f2p perspective, aiming to play easier in late game but also need better heroes to push in early game, which teamcomp will you suggest invest in? My cecia is currently in Legendary, should i keep invest in her to push through afk stage maybe until mythic+ or straightaway invest on other heroes?
That’s a good point to stop investing on Cecia. She’ll do fine while you build Eironn’s clique.
@@malcovich_games then what are the teamcomp to push through afk stages? I do got lucky and get Eironn to Mythic now, need 2 more to Mythic+
@@erichern3398 ive seen the other meta comp is eironn hewynn carolina thoran parissa
He doesnt seem to understand that f2p dont have a choice to build late game heroes , game will decide which units u will get and let u decide how to build them, caroline, eironn is not available in shop so its up to your luck if you can build them , to get odie and marilee you really need a good team in dream realm . Im in ptr3 and i have epic eironn and legendary caroline even tho they are in my wishlist , So as f2p build what u have , go with the flow if you are relying on luck , you will find this game boring and quit eventually. Since your progress will be slow because of forcing yourself to build late game units.
@@erichern3398Later AFK stages are more focused on crowd control rather than the usual stalling into Cecia’s summon at mid game or lower. Members of Eironn’s cc comp plus Thoran and/or Damien are the usual recommended teams,
That said, i wonder if there’s a site where I can look at the clears from any level of tower that I want… I need to find out the precise point when Cecia gets phased out…
2nd primal lord in 5 days. Can you make a guide about it?
How much you spent? That acount looks riged
She's not an overpowered unit. I think she needs to actually get buffed a little bit
The Cecia Paradox
I think there are always bargain of comparison when it comes to the same role but different kits/characters, for example Thoran VS Granny VS dunno Brutus? whoever tank..
it's wise to think it in two ways, first of all Flora is Wilder summoner, like Cecia, so we can eventually have a full faction team easier this way, another deduction is other factions will have summoners as well, which will make Flora shine even more because her kit has some QoL for summons than being a selfish kit like Cecia just for herself and her own summon. ( obviously at S+ )
Youre the best zeeebo!
My issue is that I only pull her, had her Supreme plus after 15 days and she’s just my best dps by far
When i get my Odie (or any other character) to Supreme +, should i swap him out with other units on wishlist to get more characters to Supreme +?
Yeah, unless you’re spending and going for paragon.
not much use of getting more shards if you don't have other supreme+. They are useful only for paragon that you unlock once you have 25 supreme+...
Cecia and Flor will fall so hard once they introduce more team anti-debuff and team debuff immunity in the game. But I am glad that I pushed Flor and Cecia to M+ cuz you can manually nuke enemy's backline
i want the champion store xD
As f2p. Whats the good stopping point for cecia? Im at 19 days playing.
f2p got choice? just continue your cecia if you already start
I got Cecia at Legendary and I’m not putting in more. 500 afk and she’s still relevant. 700 might be where she starts falling off because that’s when Prydwen’s “late game” begins.
Mythic +, for that 4 second CC
@@malcovich_gamesyou’ll fall far behind on story and AFK stages. You need at least a M+ Cecia
Especially when you hit afk 700. You could be stuck for days without her
Hi Zee my question is this: who do you buy from arena store if not Cecia? 😮
Heywin?
@@shradeevans4049 that would be my guess 👌
He is always right!
For anyone that played AFK Arena, Cecia is pretty much the Shemira of this game. Great early game unit that is given a free copy and can get copies on PVP currency. But with enough time other units does her job better.
As I sit here trying to get Odie to mythic +
you are my fav cecia hater
😊zeee best
Im not a cecia hater O_O
It’s not hate if it’s tough love hehe
I have just one criticism with your view of Cecia, Carolina, u never talked about her, u talked about investing in odie is better than Cecia, but this makes no sense since u can invest in both? This only matters for epic recruitment
But Carolina is the one u invest in vs investing in cecia, and what does Carolina do?
I honestly dunno how useful Carolina is, people says she is good for pvp but she is not 100% necessary
Actually early game Cecia may end up just being better at pvp just bcz u will have more levels, and it takes some time to build a team around Carolina for pvp
I mean I’m not saying I disagree with you (or that I agree with you) but my point is the argument about how overrated Cecia is falls apart when a comparison with Carolina has not being done
This is my opinion with all respect
Carolina is only good in pvp, yeah cecia falls down later in endgame but she's still kinda good in overall content. Investing in cecia is never a bad decision. But if you a big blue whale then you investing in carolina is better than cecia
Cecia is a stand alone kind of unit so we can gauge how strong she is, but florabell has a lot of synergy with others summons so its a lot harder to tell hiw strong she is, one thing is for sure though, she does not have a team where she really shines right now.
Thats why its best to pass and wait once she comes to normal banner and put her there after maxing Eironna/Hewynn.
5:10 bruh the no.1 player in dreamrealm has the nword as his name in chinese 💀
typical chinese degen
thats name of the devil fruit of luffy 'Nika Nika fruit' along with the luffy profile pic i dont think its ill-intended
Yeah he’s comparing himself as luffy fifth gear nika,
you and your racist brain again huh.
I got Florabelle is bc she’s pretty and tbh at multiple instances my Florabelle out dps-ed my Cecia even when my marksman equipment is stronger
I was with you until the "if you still don't get it, I guess my IQ isn't low enough. That's just not how teaching works. Lol higher IQ means you understand the material better and can thus teach it better. I agree with everything else you said 😂
What's your recommendation on maxing weapon if not Cecia? I am not level 300+ but I hit level 220 now and I still find there's not an ultimate that's as strong as Cecia's. Maybe Parisa but her ramp up is even longer. Odie/Marilee would be better for dream realm but for pvp, Cecia + Carolina synergy is pretty op. And dream realm is not as important as you make it sound because it's truly just p2w. You just have to "buy" Odie and Marilee rn, stay top 10, and it'll snowball by itself and no amount of "management skill" is going to help you beat someone who just spends more. For whales, dream realm top 10 is super easy and in the end, it all just comes down to PVP and abyss. Cecia is pretty good for both.
got Flora to Mythic in 40 pulls. that is a lot of resources saved compared to trying Cecia to Mythic. sure i can buy Cecia copies from the Arena shop but i'd rather use it on Hewynn who has more value later on
so basically instead of wasting resources on cecia you wasted them on flora and you still need mythic+ for her to actually be viable in the mid game
m+ cecia is the most you should ever go with her. dont even upgrade her ex weapon. she is just there to push early/mid game. use her as your second dps in the two stage afk stages. thats all you need her for. odie alone can kill a team faster than cecia late game
I only believe she is op when she can 1 kill 5.
Do you think Cecia is important at S+? or is ok just at S? I dunno If should I continue pushing her to S+ or just invest in other heroes.
Nah remove her form WL after Mythic+. Her Supreme tiers don't have much to offer.
I actually Supremed her and I feel I would have done better removing her after Mythic+ to get more Thoran/Igor copies.
number 1 Cecia doomposting fave streamer/content creator, keep it up man! it's quality contenttt!
guys it's a running joke for Zeebo to be nerfing Cecia-Hype, he made so many context about her,
i think the TLDR was like, it's ok to commit to mythic+ but no more than that, since syphoning ur cecia more than that will dread ur arena and stuff, no longer that much rewarding after that. just check minute 15:25 as for another example, oh nvm he explained it again right after
just sucks we have to have a starting and endgame team setup and investment. really no way around it without spending money..
Florabelle has been added as a recommend in Dream Realm for skyclops. Would you still say she is not useful late game? Does she still perform less than others, against skyclops or maybe even other bosses? I can not say for sure since i'm still early to mid-game. A good point he brought up was that if you decide to invest in a character then yes that character will be good. I don't want to encourage people to spend their crystals on her btw, i'm just saying even though she is mid she might not be completely useless since again, they added her in Dream Realm. My thoughts might change later on my journey to late game.
You can only put 5 heroes for attacking the dream realm boss. The best heroes for attacking boss for rewards are odie, korin, marilie and that defense break mauler guy (forgot his name). And the last slot will be for a healer or support hero. The game puts the hero as recommended for a single boss means that you should not focus on her building as f2p/low spender guy in early-mid game. Why would anyone spend so much gems on building a hero which performs just good in specific game mode.
@@i-ush6349 Are you saying that people should not spend their gems on Eironn because you can only use him in a specific game mode? I have heard not anyone recommend him for Dream Realm or any other game mode. its just PvP. I would also argue that it easier to get rate up characters than other banners because you are GUARANTEED to get them. You might get Vala or Cecia or Igor or any other character from your wishlist. Eironn is not always guaranteed. Why should we get him then?
tbh as f2p you cant really compete with spenders, so the whole rewards above legend in arena and top 200 dream realm is just not even an option for most ppl
Easiest way to put it is that, Cecia = op early - mid (starts to drop), late game = meh. You could say the same as for the new unit, just like what he said. and yea, mtashed have a good drama scene before, *idk now* lol
So let's say if we don't buy into Cecia (only 1 copy) and just only focus on late game units (those zero to hero ones)... will we still clear AFK stages at the same speed as players who spend a good amount of resources to level her at least to M or M+? My question is, if the cost of raising Odie to M+ means getting to AFK1125 1-2months LATER than other players who spend resources pushing for Cecia, would it still be worth it?
Don't forget that this is a resource game, there are finite resources in the game. That includes the amount of time getting lesser daily resources compared to other players who push more right at early game. We can't make back the time "lost" having lesser resources than others.
Think of it like an investment. If investing in Cecia yields a 3% yield for the first 10 years (AFK stages), while other zero to hero characters are 1% yield for 1st 8 years, then a 5% yield for subsequent years. Having Cecia invested moderately will be much better in the long run. Everything is compounded. Just don't put everything in one basket.
I have m+ cecia and odiem+
@@rudra7626 nice, good to have both at M+. I still do think that some amount of Cecia investment is needed for early/mid content pushing. As long as it doesn't affect late game units that much.
I'll just swap out my cecia for carolina then
Yeah, got her Supreme+ and Ex10 and she's indeed "mid". I'm still pushing AFK ranks, so I'm okay, but I totally see other modes her being very mid, or rather - not meta. Hence per video, not worth the investment of limited resources.
the 3000 vs 2700 gems from Rate up vs All-Hero isn't even the biggest issue imo, its the A level unit rate... 10% vs 22% is huge and you miss out on building up core units chasing after the rate up, the unit has to be straight up busted for it to be worth pulling on Rate Up banner, florabelle just ain't it.
I didn't pull on rate up as F2P but in the meantime...
Rate up offers a S level every 40 and 3% chance while All-Hero is only 60 with 2.05%...
So lets say for 120 pulls :
Rate up 36k Diamonds = 3 pity + 3.6 = 6.6 S heroes.
All hero 32.4k Diamonds = 2 pity + 2.4 = 4.4 S heroes.
In the best case scenario you would need around 45k diamonds to get the 8 heroes for Supreme+ which is not so bad if you want to target a specific hero.
I didn't pull for Vala and I feel disadvantaged compared to people who have her at Sup+ in arena.
Considering there are 8 S in the all-hero wishlist, it would take 59k hope getting one with only this banner if you only get the same one over and over😅 or 472k if they are all distributed equally.
damn dude maybe in some weak servers that didnt started on first day normal people can compete in arena top 100. normal day 1 servers are full of whales. i got soo much further to afk stages and dream real becouse of cecia combo with thoran and viperion. florabell is much harder to get to mythic+ and you lose sooo much purple summon if you summon that banner
Now thats everyone is speaking bad about flora it seems she'll he getting a buff
I feel like this is kind of the creators fault. Most hero reviews just say how and if a unit is good. If you were more clear and said the unit is good, but doesn't have any good uses, people would understand better. Most people in the early game only look at afk and story stages anyway, so its important to stress why a unit is good or bad in context, not just in general.
What does NOT INVEST mean?
is making Cecia Sup+ and +5 Weapon early wrong?
or NOT INVEST means like... Stop investing after let say, Mythic+?
i feel like a Legend Cecia is gonna be a big draw back for a F2P player, not just short but long term, since F2P would never have the chance to jump throught the weak stage of certain character... for example Eiron or Carolina, ppl can not get him Mythic + that easy without a lot of waiting, which means the overall progression is slowed down due the no carry situation until you get them Mythic +
Additionally, even A Class Character like Odie, need at least 2 week until he get the point to reach Mythic plus and carry the push.
Me personlly plan to make Cecia Sup+ and lv5 Weapon, then focusing on other character (Currently i need 1 more copy of Cecia, and only Corin reached Mythic+, i am focusing on Odie next, but i might need to wait till next month due the shop refresh?)
ZEEEBO！HELPU HELPU！
@@JTT126 🐷ok i realize i fall into the cecia paradox
It means that she's a decent unit that does not excel at anything and given how the game works, it's not a good thing. You don't want to burn all your resources to get a unit that falls off fast.
@@zelasd3125 🤡 now feel like a clown, understand the concept:
altho Cecia is good everywhere, she is not the best at everywhere, base on how the game work, she will be bad long term.
tho i am kinda satisfied so far :) like how Mr. Karwell fight like a chad... hopefully i will not regret that fast in the near future
Anyone think florabelle is op after the level 231 passive which no one can test yet
Why can no one test that?
@@antoniogonzalez4252 can you link me to any level 231 and a youtuber or content creator? I would like to know how strong that passive is but i dont see any content showcasing it
@@9999lol8888 I have 2 people in my guild at 240, and both have flora at Supreme+ and say she isn't too good on any game mode, with that said I havent seen any footage on yt about it
@@antoniogonzalez4252 nice, was thinking to get her if it changes anything, guess im skipping thanks
I guess my iq is not low enough xDDD
Cecia is fine in the early-mid game. Late game afk stages need crowd control because there's such a level disparity, and Cecia has none. She's not great against bosses either, as her single target damage is low.
Her main problem though is how long it takes her to get the pet out.
For that reason, she's really bad in pvp, where you want to frontload damage the second the match starts.
And yet I loose against every single Thoran, Cecia, Rowan, Lucius, Smokey team in arena even the ones with average -10 lvls to me. Without fail. I don't fucking get why, but that's what happens.
@@DieKao 2 tanks, 2 healers, 1 weaksauce dps?
Here's how I'd get a 100% winrate against them (Thoran, Rowan, Bryon, Vala, Reinier).
Reinier swaps Vala with Cecia.
Bryon kills Cecia in
Isn't Cecia the embodiment of "Crowd Control" for a Range DPS?
Just put Rowan beside her, and Caryle will spam its CC lock around.
Mythic + and she could stop 1 target for 4 seconds at the start of battle.
@@DieKaoSlap a Koko in there instead of Lucius, and hopefully your Thoran and team survive longer.
Cecia has no cc? Ok.
In your Florabell testing you wher totaly deliusional what hapened around cecia. Geting Cecia to mythic+ in early will streamroll you early resource gaining. And she does not conflict with odie at any time.
The video was going very well, but your last sentence has in fact just discredit you for all of your so call good intention of educating the player base. Pity
Damn, me feelin' bad with a Supreme Cecia :( lol
Damn i've never seen cope this hard in a long while. This is coming from someone who has Cecia at Supreme/ weapon 5 stage 625 she is just mid. Half the time i wish i got more Copies of anyone else really but i needed more copies to prog my vala and more omni acrons so i pushed for her. God damn she is just mid af i'm sorry but if your running dream realm with her the only real place i see her being useful is croaker feeling nice today and cast death on Carlyle or you get a lucky ult on skyclops mobs even then i would still rather run Koko or Korin the moment you hit EX weapon Marilee or Odie god damn do you spike in dream realm both in mechanics and dps. In Arena she has been my fill dps tagging with my Supreme+10 vala but i've plateaued at this point i can neither climb Legendary 1 or fall from it and god damn the moment you see your first real Mythic+ Caroline/Arden Eiroon damage combo god damn you really wished rng didnt F#$% you in the bum. That has been my experience as someone who was forced to build Cecia to get more copies of Vala.
Would Vala over Cecia again outta 10
Cecia was off my wish list since day one, Carolina is the real MVP.
In saying that I was still able to utilise Cecia with 0 dupes at 700+.
Not me with supreme+ cecia hearing she isnt good 😢
She is good. She's not BiS, but a great sub
F mtashed
the most important resource is in dream relm and ur fucked if ur at outside top 100 bracket as u dont get gold essance and in long run u just drop off from the ppl that long term getting 100 XD ur fucked
30m power here, don’t over invest on Cecia and Vala lol
Pushing afk stages faster as much as you could is important , so if u are not a whale . Cecia is really your go to unit .. remember if your not whaling, a year is not enough to build late game heroes specially if your luck is on vacation 😂 dont play like a whale if you are not a whale .. stop building late game heroes if you are not commited . Trust me u will find this game boring waiting for that moment😅
I think Cecia is the best until you get M+ Odie and Marilee.
I prefer to summon on premium rate up with pitty at 40 pulls (12.000 gems) getting the same 5star for dups rather than the general banner with pity at 60 (16.200 gems) and a 12% chance of getting a dupe I want right now 😅
That was how I felt (Have Supreme Vala) but the big loss is not the gems vs chance vs pity, but the chance of getting A rank heroes, you get a lot more on the general banner. I don't regret the pulls, as I highly doubt I'd have got as far in PvP without her.
Once you have most of the good units at Supreme+ the rate up banner is the GOAT
@@chriswheeler8143 this, i would have odie to m+ and mec by now if I didn't m+ vala. the half rates for a ranks hurts.