The Women's Olympic Boxing Controversy
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I just think it’s hilarious that people were really trying to say someone sent to represent fucking Algeria was trans 💀💀💀💀💀
Funny
Absolutely hilarious
Trying? What are his chromosomes and what does he have that produces testosterone🤔not a trans not a woman
@@yung_dagger_d1469 This is a man in your eyes. So if this person has a vagina, a uterus, and fallopian tubes, you would say that this MAN can get pregnant?
@@yung_dagger_d1469 intersex dawg, shes a man with female thingies down there so whatever that makes her, thats what she is.
Anybody disagreeing with this has never been in a physically competitive environment in their lives.
bruh I'm a pro gooner platinum medalist winner wtf you on
@@darkdemigod Christ brah real gonner city over here
When you're bad you'll think your opponent is cheating. Happens to me everytime I play Dota
Right... yet they remove you from social media platforms if you comment on this
It’s the transphobia Olympics!
So when she lost back in 2020 olympics it was not a problem, but now when she won, suddenly it is.
She? The woman in this fight lost?
True
People are hypocrite
She is a women 100%
@@friqd7439 Someone hasn't done their research and is just moaning about politics in comment sections instead of having plans or a party to go to tonight huh?
The trans boxer, Imane Khelif, started her boxing career in 2018.
In 2022, Khelif won the African and Mediterranean Championships. She also competed in Istanbul's World Championship that year, and took silver (second place). She was defeated by Ireland's Katie Broadhurst, who's been boxing professionally since 2009.
2020, Tokyo, was Khelif's first attempt at an Olympic appearance. She was eliminated in the Quarter-Final round by another Irish participant, Kellie Harrington. Kellie Harington has been boxing professionally since 2006.
In 2023, Khelif was disqualified from the finals of the world championships after tests showed high levels of testosterone.
2024, Paris, Khelif took home the Olympic gold. She was allowed to compete because the organization that ran testosterone testing in the past was deemed unfair and exclusionary toward trans people for running those very tests.
Imane Khelif is not Trans, she is a biological female
A man BORN with genetics that grant him an increased amounts of testosterone would not be banned from any sport, and neither should a woman, genetics is 90% of the skill gap in these sports and we shouldnt punish people for having extraordinary genetics
true she was born with XX chromosomes and was a female on birth, she has a condition that makes some of her cells have unfinished Y chromosomes and thus make more testosteron. Its just good genetics for sports, prob not for life in general tho.
how about people with "extraordinary genetics" fight with other people who also have "extraordinary genetics" ? i mean a man thats like 50kg wont fight with a man thats 100kg
@craftah thankfully box has weight classes for that, also there would just not be enough competition it's a rare thing in the first place.
She is a women tho
Its a person with xy so a man with a vagina, becaude of an abnormality he has the built the testosterone and everything just like a man but not the genitals. So there is basicly one thing in cpmmon with women compentetors and multible with men so it should be in a man devision
This whole olympic is a shitshow anyways LUL
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true but this one is legit, she was born a femal with XX chromosomes and has a disorder that makes some of her cells have unfinished Y chromosomes and thus make more testosteron. Its weird but has nothing to do with LGBBQ.
i dont even know anyone irl who gives a f about the olympics
I'm Algerian, transitioning is illegal in Algeria, she's not trans, period.
You're welcome to argue anything else beside that.
Imane Khelif was defeated by other women multiple times, she's not even THAT good of a boxer to begin with.
The Italian boxer just quit after getting punched once, and not only that, she has a history of quitting after one punch.
he is in fact not trans, he is a man, you can be upset all you want that doesnt make it ok for men to fight women
@@maratpirate6343she's a woman at birth, so she's still a woman. or wasn't that what y'all have been on, calling trans men she and trans women he? 🤔
@@maratpirate6343 you go to jail for being trans or lgbt in algeria she is a woman
@@maratpirate6343 Born with female reproductive organs > Woman.
She has a rare condition that gave her XY chromosomes, but her body didn't develop to have male reproductive organs, therefore, she is a woman.
@@maratpirate6343 lmao 0/10 ragebait. Maybe take a biology class and try not to fail
Literally put a rule that not matter if you are trans, your main spawnpoint settings are counted
Spawnpoint settings
Fuckin lmao
Many said she was born a girl not a man
She's not trans. Born female with female reproductive organs from what I've been able to gather.
Exept shes not trans 😂
The fact that this is even a "controversy" is a testament to the sad state of the world today...
It's called Akko btw
feel bad for that women all your credit lost because people think you are a man because of how you look
Yeah its just wrong. Man and a woman shouldnt be competing against each other in that sport, thats it. If you call your self a woman but you're genetically a man. You shouldnt be allowed to compete. There should be a rule where only an actual woman can compete.
It's controversial because idiots think she's trans when she's not
Youre like the moist critikal of xqc comments, I can always rely on you for the most in line takes on every topic discussed on this channel
Let me remind u In women, normal testosterone levels range from 15 to 70 nanograms per deciliter , meanwhile Male: 300 to 1,000 nanograms per deciliter
Good thing she’s a women then
That also doesn’t always even stay within the range, it’s just the norm so it can even be more
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all i know is i miss the old transformers plots. they were a lot easier to keep up with. just fighting decepticions. now its pronouns and forced tolerance and blah blah blah. just give me a car that turns into a mech robot please.
This made my day 🤣
Homie, she’s not even trans
Grow up
what a loser
@zareington the hrt making your sense of humour go away too?
Surely xQc is the best and most well-informed person to be covering on such a complicated matter. Surely right?
doesnt take a genius to see that men beating up women is wrong
𝙸𝚝'𝚜 𝚜𝚝𝚒𝚕𝚕 𝚒𝚗𝚝𝚎𝚛𝚎𝚜𝚝𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚘 𝚜𝚎𝚎 𝚑𝚒𝚖 𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔 𝚊𝚋𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚒𝚝 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚒𝚝 𝚊𝚕𝚜𝚘 𝚋𝚛𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜 𝚖𝚘𝚛𝚎 𝚊𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚗𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗 𝚝𝚘 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚒𝚜𝚜𝚞𝚎, 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚙𝚎𝚘𝚙𝚕𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚗𝚘𝚝 𝚋𝚎 𝚊𝚠𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚘𝚏 𝚒𝚝.
𝚆𝚎'𝚛𝚎 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝚕𝚒𝚏𝚎 𝚝𝚘𝚐𝚎𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚠𝚎 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚊𝚕𝚜𝚘 𝚕𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚗𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚐𝚊𝚒𝚗𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚠𝚒𝚜𝚍𝚘𝚖 𝚝𝚑𝚛𝚘𝚞𝚐𝚑 𝚎𝚊𝚌𝚑 𝚘𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛.
Cope
This is not a complicated matter, woke culture no longer cares about logic or qualification. Fools.
He actually had a good take here, cope
absolutely didn't expect xqc to have the correct take here so this is surprising. this is not about trans people and making it about it is stupid. still, allowing intersex people to compete against endosex people (yes, that means "normal") should not be allowed. we have science backing up why it's a bad idea. it's unfair by definition
I was just scrolling the comments, and for a second I almost got a shock. Your profile picture looks very similar to a friend of mine that I used to talk to.
what about the intersex people is it unfair to disqualify them?
It should definitely be allowed, just not xy against women. They can compete against men, although they'd be dogshit because they're just mediocre with OP male class traits which still ends up dominating females (pog)
There is a lot of different types of intersex people. Some intersex people only have small differences in their reproductive organs but no change to their actual physical abilities or test/estro levels. Also I think its probably fine for intersex people to compete in male sports
Ban michael phelps too then for being born with double jointed ankles that help him swim better. The olympics have never been “fair” its always been about who has the bigger biological advantage
after further consideration we will take michael phelps medals away for a genetic advantage (double jointed in his ankles and reduced lactic acid buildup)
Here in Italy is happening a shit show. Allegedly the italian athlete had pressure from the far right politics into doing that show and quit on the ring.
oh that's very interesting actually.
I wish I was italian now, I need that piece of entertainment
Source: Trust me bro
@@CanadianRage-cf7vv source:
Italian media
she did the right thing, no woman should fight a man
Beforw the Turtle bot regard comments, no, shes not trans 😭
It's crazy how rent free I live in people's heads
@@TurtleChad1 u regarded bro we just tired of seeing ur takes
@@TurtleChad1 It's crazy how people know of you from you having the most braindead neanderthal takes
@just_a_turtle_chad erm... we could say xqc and other channels live rent free in your head as you probably have 10k+ comments on there channels!!
@@TurtleChad1 your entire existence is trying to get attention in youtube comments, its not crazy, its the only thing you've ever accomplished in your life
I guess basketball players who are above the height of 6ft are unjust and unfair to play against other short players
You did not get his take did you, he's talking about putting other women in danger because they have the strenght of a male. You're making no sense talking about height.
@@AwxThunDer okay its dangerous for the others but what about the woman who is fighting is it unfair for her to be disqualified for having different genes?
@@AwxThunDer She also not even that good, shes 9-5 in competition Also her test wasnt too high and the orgianisation that banned her the IBA is the org that got them and russia banned from competitions for 4 years due to doping and bribing and all sorts of shit, thats why russia isnt in this olympics, youre all falling for nonsense russian BANNED groups disinformation.
@@diegobrando7858 MATE DONT TRUST THESE MORONS, she doesnt have too high of test or an unfair advantage theyre making that up, literally just lying. Shes 9-5 in competition, shes not even that good, an irish girl knocker her out recently and the orgianisation that banned her the IBA is the org that got them and russia banned from competitions for 4 years due to doping and bribing and all sorts of shit, thats why russia isnt in this olympics, youre all falling for nonsense russian BANNED groups disinformation.
@@AwxThunDer she doesnt have too high of test or an unfair advantage youre making that up, literally just lying. Shes 9-5 in competition, shes not even that good, an irish girl knocker her out recently and the orgianisation that banned her the IBA is the org that got them and russia banned from competitions for 4 years due to doping and bribing and all sorts of shit, thats why russia isnt in this olympics, youre all falling for nonsense russian BANNED groups disinformation.
There is nuance that a lot of people are missing in this situation.
This boxer was tested by the IBA in 2022 and continued to compete until 2023 when she beat a Russian boxer. She was then subsequently tested again and "failed" the test. This raises several questions. Among them are, did she undergo the same exact tests both times? How accurate are those tests? How likely are those tests to return false positives?
The only piece of evidence we have to go on, that in any way signifies that she's not a biological female, is the statement by the IBA president Umar Kremlev. How familiar and knowledgable is Kremlev with the exact type of testing that the IBA conducts?
The IOC also raised questions about corruption within the IBA, which, is mostly funded by Gazprom of Russia. They noted things like banning Ukraine from competing for political reasons. If the IBA makes decisions based on political reasons, then this throws doubt about their testing that they refuse to share with anyone else. This is partly why IOC has distanced themselves from this organisation. The IOC has also raised questions about the accuracy of the tests conducted by the IBA. Not only has the IBA refused to give any information about the tests conducted, they refused to even definitively confirm that Imane Khalife is not a biological female as far as I've been able to gather. They have only confirmed that she failed their test. These are two different claims, and the difference between both claims is very subtle but important.
Otherwise, I agree with the overarching theme of the take that people with XY chromosomes shouldn't compete with XX. Especially if this genetic disposition manifests itself in the same way it does a regular male (high testosterone , increased musculature, bone density, etc.). There are conditions like Swyer where people can have XY but in fact have female reproductive organs - .ie. lack the testes which produce the large amounts of testosterone in men.
Men of the same size can be up to twice as strong as women
she isnt trans
@@legowhite2 She has XY chromosones, but is intersex (born with an imperfect VaGG, I think?)
Her testosterone levels, bone structure and cardiovascular capacity might be that a man. If it's the case (which I'm not sure about), she would have a massive advantage versus other females
She's not trans.
She's the gender she was assigned at birth, it's on her papers and there's no legal way to change it in her country.
@@legowhite2 y chromo
@@legowhite2 maybe not trans but her chromosomes arent that of a biological woman
Everyone saying she has an insane advantage when she’s lost 9 times and has like a 10% knockout ratio. Many people have beaten her 😂
Sounds like a skill issue. They still have an innate advantage though, just because theyre bad doesnt exclude them from criticism
Literally nothing to do, stop embarrassing yourself
@@Sceptonic sure but many athletes have innate advantages, Miguel Phelps literally has a body weirdly built perfectly for swimming, should be not be allowed to swim?
@@fuwaq8268 probably
@@Sceptonic So should Miguel Phelps be cancelled and stripped away from all his medals and achievements? You're realising the problem here right?
Every single top athlete has gotten to their position by having an innate advantage over their peers, ofc hard work is at play but there's always some advantage, that's why it's a competition, not everyone can be exactly the same. And I'm speaking about top athletes, this woman boxer isn't even top tier... She isn't even trans and people have been screeching about her all over social media, it's honestly disgusting.
Female: "of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes."
Regardless of whether Imane is a woman or not, she is not a female, and should not be competing against other females for that reason.
Why would it matter if she can make children or not, the problem is the testosterone
@@FISH_IN_COAT What do you think produces the testosterone, buddy?
The testes, which Imane has in place of ovaries.
@@TheRedHaze3 Do you think this person should be allowed to compete...or not?
@@Mcnooberzzz they can compete, just not in women sports
@@paulyvii Oh okay cool. So this man, if they have swyer syndrome, has a vagina, a uterus, fallopian tubes, etc, should be facing men? And you would also say, if this is a man in your eyes, men can...get pregnant? I guess?
Call a spade a spade. All this noise is because it's an African/arab who beat a European. The Algerian girl already lost against other women last Olympics
They should leave it to the experts. But the problem is that the experts are being heavily influenced politically. What is needed to do is to go thru this in a scientific method and open to the public subjected for peer review. Also, most trans women are not women and it not politics, it's just science
Current peer reviewed evidence says biological sex is much more complex than XY/XX, given the cases of XXY, or XY people phenotypically female or XX phenotypically male, and much more complex than simply hormone levels, science is very rarely if ever binary. Also, ‘science’ also counts as psychological and social aspects, they are equally as valid. Disregarding these aspects is inherently anti-science. Search swyer syndrome, hemaphrodites, and XX male syndrome with their associated papers. If you dont know how to properly find research papers chat gpt is generally okay as long as you just use it to find the papers. Reply if you find anything that doesn’t agree with this, this is something i’m particularly interested in
Common sense take. Too many people make the majority of their decisions based on their emotions.
the punch didn't even KO the italian boxer and she quit from the first punch, and the algerian boxer is not rambo, she lost 9 times against woman which would be impossible to lose if she was a man
impossible to lose if was man lul dud! what a braindead fucking take
@@sibouras792 losing sometimes doesnt mean the algerian boxer doesnt have an unfair advantage. Rub some braincells and consider that there is more to boxing than strength behind punches. Its also technique, the algerian boxer likely lost because of a lack of technique compared to the opponents but that doesnt mean that each of those punches arent too dangerous for the league compared to average punches in the league. Give a gun to a chimp and theyll miss alot but that doesnt mean they arent dangerous with that weapon.
@@ergo6176 this is some high copium you're on lol, so if we bring the rank 200 man boxer would he lose to a woman? let alone 9 times
@@ergo6176 Italian boxer fucking sucked she had broken nose and she still decided to have boxing match then she quit when she got hit on her nose
@@sibouras792 the guy is correct, its not all strength and punches. if this was mma, then yea the rank 200 man would beat the female rank 1 mma pound for pound easy, since he can just fuck around with his strength, but boxing is very restrictive where you have to abide by just striking and dodging. striking and dodging have nothing to do with gender, but strength does. women can dodge and strike better than men (not harder striking, better striking) if they're trained lmao if i put an untrained biological man with a really good female boxer he is easily getting his ahh beat.
he lost 9 times because of his shit technique most likely. yea he can punch harder but that is if he lands those punches. i can punch harder than the mma featherweight champ, but i will literally die if im in the ring with him. same with the featherweight boxers, because they know how to dodge and counter and evade and stuff. techniques, in other words. the trans man is a shit boxer who keeps losing to women
Chat guy asked "then do we stop men with high test form boxing other men just cux their test is higher" Yeah we already do that its called Drug Tests.
And if you mean natural then the range between mens lows and highs is 400-1000. The largest the difference can be is 2.5x
Whereas women test vs man test like in the case with this olympic shitshow. Is 45 avg womens and 700 avg mens. Thats a 15.5x difference. let alone all of the bone density, agression, and other physiological and psychological benefits that comes with a lifetimes exposure to high test
As long as she is categorized as female, the competition is fair according to the organizers. The differences in skill or natural advantages don't matter as long as the person is within the categorization and the advantage is natural.
@@Comrade2-k8t then its high time for the organizers to realize there are outliers and genetic mutants with XY chromosomes and Vaginas that break our current ruleset and need their own categorization and league
But has she had a lifetime exposure to test? From my understanding she does not have testicles. She just popped for having high testosterone before which sounds like she was simply just taking steroids
And then to build on your point, people have this misconception that higher testosterone (when comparing males in normal range) is automatically better when its not always the case, androgen receptors play a big role in how your body expresses its traits from testosterone and some males need more test on paper to exhibit the same traits as someone lower than them bc they maybe lack as many androgen receptors. So in the context of natural male athletes, ur hormones dont really play a big advantage. Buy to compare a womens natural levels to a male is such a stark difference that even if the women had many more androgen receptors, it could never make up the huge disparity in hormone levels.
@@Comrade2-k8tThe advantage is not natural it's literally a genetical mutation...
People just get too emotional about stuff.
Genders are separated because men get an unfair advantage.
If she’s getting the unfair advantage then she shouldn’t be allowed to compete in Women’s sport.
If you think she should be allowed to COMPETE then you are also agreeing with full biological men competing in women’s boxing
a man is man, a women is a women, full stop, some are stronger than others because of genetics, it is what it is.
She's fully born female and because she has an advantage, she cannot compete.
But what about... every other olympic contender who has certain biological advantages to other people? What about Usain Bolt? Or Michael Phelps long wingspan? Or any other woman who is contending right now, with the very same biological issue that a lot of other women are facing, right now?
@@ravensmith12314 but he has xy chromosomes this has come out recently
b-but you don't want to be labelled as the hecking drump-supporting, racist transophobic lunar conspirator recluse, right?!?!?!?
so you better conform to the mainstream, media-pushed, non belligerent, mostly tolerant (to those they want) opinion! NOW!
@@bethanalpha4544I understand you’re a little special but she was quite literally born female.
Modern day olympics are a disgrace to what the olympics are originally about. I dont think Zeus would be happy.
There were controversy’s about the same thing back then too lol
Make it simple, 2 categories:
XY (SRY gene present)
XX (SRY gene not present)
What if a trans person transitions pre-puberty? Are they just cooked?
The iron dome is breathtaking
@@xxalekfumantexx8737Same answer
@@Russian_Waifu found the epstein supporter
@@Russian_Waifu oy vey
why do people have to go so 0 or 100 on these things. intersex is a thing, she was brought up as a female and thats fine. you can say that she has an unfair advantage and simultaneously be fine with her female status. life isnt a game of would you rather, you are allowed to have nuance..
Literally this
2000s and 2010s female fighters were way more buff and no one bat an eye, look at Alejandra "Locomotora" Oliveras.
There's female boxers that are way more jacked and no ome bats an eye.
People complaining about Imane are so stupid that they don't realize they are being transphobic against a biological female.
XY btw. They are intersex.
which is why this has nothing to do with how "manly" she looks, or if she has a vagina, or muscle density, etc. we set the line at XX chromosomes for women's sports. that's it. this issue has nothing to do with transphobia. I could be born a 'biological male' and look like a girl in every way; deformities are weird and people sometimes turn out fucked up.
@@zzthedon4k she had fully functioning female bits down there for her entire life, so yes, YOU ARE moving the goalposts
@@Sceptonic do you know what a phenotype is?
Bro look at the top female athletes, they all have flat chests and a male form. How about that black American gymnast who always wins? She had the body of a man, literally nothing feminine about her except for her genitals.
I feel like a pregnant woman today, I’m going to head into work and demand maternity leave.
Wish me luck boys.
its simple, She has a flat out buff from her condition so its not fair. and yes she can still be beaten by a woman but in general she will outperform because of that.
If you have a bunch of people with her condition against women then all of them would be on top rankings.
how is it not fair
should we strip michael phelps of all his medals bc of his natural advantages ??
@@dmgchck phelps is against other dudes, its still males vs males they all have the same base stats.
genes adds up but I think training/experience can beat someone with god like genes.
having a male body vs a women is just not fair specially for boxing since males have stronger upper body strength.
we just need to rules for edge cases in sports where someone could get hurt badly.
@@dmgchckwhy do you think males and females race in different categories? Males or people with significantly higher testosterone (like in this case) will have a much higher advantage than what is given by non-sex related genetic buffs. Do you really think that men and women should compete in the same category? Because that would be a disaster.
@@Smoginchibim except she’s a female
should amanda nunez not be able to fight in the ufc bc of her physique ?
also if someone like phelps already has an advantage and trains as hard and gets as much experience then the training/experience doesn’t matter
it’s still an advantage
@@Smoginchibim not to mention her ko% is very low and she’s been beaten a few times before
he said "as far as im concerned it is a woman...but" as soon as he said but, i knew i agreed with everything else he was going to say. She is a woman, but... that is the right take.
Mfs in chat spamming "check what's in their pants" as if x didn't mention that they literally have a 😺.i do agree that people should fight others with the same physique andweight class because otherwise thats just called bullying😂
Well he does have nuts and im sure they’re also referring to the xy chromosome that would make him have male genitals
Don't forget the same gender lil bro
*Bone/muscle density has left the chat
A male at the exact same weight class as a female is around 40% stronger regardless. Thats why lighter men dont fight women.
why are yall calling her "they" ?
Why are performance enhancing drugs banned in sports? but if your body naturally produces performance enhancements (e.g. male levels of testosterone in an intersex person, which creates stronger, larger muscles and bone structure) then it's totally fine.
because they are dangerous and have side effects. I can't remember but there's an athlete who was surreptitiously fed testosterone. She later became infertile and permanently looked like a man. Exogenous drugs you could choose not to take. On the other hand, you have no control over something you are born with.
She’s female period. I think her condition kinda cool, she like a natural super hero, ion see what wrong with that, also it’s not like her record is insane, other boxer just seemed like a quitter tbh
Dude, wtf 😂 that’s an actual MAN
Theyre intersex (XY)
Y chromosome = male, only men have it. All human base anatomy start of as female, and the Y chromosome becomes the blueprint to develop the female parts into male parts, from clit to peepee, ovaries descending to become balls etc. So he's a male that did not get the key building materials requirement during the development. The defect in gonads, not producing the juice, defaulted him to female appearance.
The big issue is that he competes looking like a dude, which means at some point when he started a competitive career he was taking some testosterone. He probably lived all his life thinking he's a girl which is sad, and when he started juicing thinking he's just gonna get a boost in muscle and performance, his XY male biology was very responsive to it and it brought the man out of him, massive boosts.
While it's too late for development of male organs, the XY musculoskeletal is still very responsive and no one should be juicing in a competition that involves hurting another person specially an XY to an XX.
@@BentleyDeuce no she isnt
@@BentleyDeuce you can literally look at Wikipedia and see you are wrong. You didn't even do the bare minimum of looking at Wikipedia.
Now call me and Wikipedia woke.
kellie harrington kicked the shit out of this dude years ago 🥊🇮🇪
I agree with x on this one..what has the world come to
Are people supposed to flip a coin to find out your position from this comment lmao
@@FISH_IN_COAT you don't have to flip any coin if got enough brain in that skull, to realize what most people in the world know: transformers should NOT be competing in sports against real women LOL
A clown show that you get censored and removed if you talk about it.... it's insaaane!
What are you, 80?
@@anaalicia5029 "why are they letting men hit women at the olympics". You "what are u 80" LOL
>Sign up for a boxing match
>Gets punched
>Cries
@finnofzaun9209 skill issues lmao
@@Cergun_ degen take absolutely uneducated, 0 sports knowledge
LMAO TRUE
Everyone just mad that Imane just whoop Anegela ass off omE. She’s just need to get good and don’t whine about it and accept defeat.
It’s a dude beating up a woman biologically speaking a dude has an unfair advantage against a woman this takes 12.6 seconds to google
Man vs women
@@irealghost3248woman vs woman that is ass at boxing
@@brandonsnopeck1027Fuck It. We’re all Trans. If you can’t tell the difference between a Man or a Woman. Your a lost cause OMEGALUL
@@irealghost3248 she does not have a stick (since birth) bro
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People risk it all in football no matter the weight class. If the Olympics allow it, run it
"Controversy" no bro, men should box men, women should box women, mutants should get separate league
simple as that fr
We used to have a circus for that
or classify based on test count instead of gender?
But this intersex thing is very rare and I think there wouldn't be enough intersex ppl to compete/make another category.
Who hurt you this badly in life that you resort calling fellow humans beings who did you no wrong mutants?
We should create categories based on some sort of T level and weight medium
not that bad of a take tbh
or how about no men in female sports?
there should be mam vs man, woman vs woman, trans vs trans
@@toxs1c_56 you know that there are categories of gender within trans people right? There are trans men and trans woman. And about 1% of people are trans. The average skill level there would be so low that it wouldn't be Olympics Worthy, the top three would probably just demolish the rest. No one would ever sponsor this.
@@AnimeBeefRandomsyeah, there would be no female sports, so therefore no men in female sports.
The advantage in sports does not come from the genitals. It comes from different muscle fibers, bone structure, and hormones. All of which at least one of these "women" has.
The people in charge of the events need to be replaced.
she is a women born with XX chromesomes, she has some cells that have unfinished Y chromes because of a condition and thus makes more testosteron, its just good genetics for physical labor. Otherwise we should ban anybody that has better genetics than others, like banning people that are taller than a certain height. thats just stupid.
They're both female at birth brother 😭
@@FranXiT I know this is confusing for you, people lie on both sides. Your sex is based on the chromosomes you are born with. There are people with male chromosomes that develope a vagina because of disorders. These "women" do not have ovaries, but undescended testicals.
Visually they may look female, but hormonally and genetically, they are males. Giving them a significant advantage in physical sports.
If you have any more questions I have a minor in biology.
@@Nathan-hl4uq she was born with XX chromosomes, she has a disorder were some of her cells have unfinished Y chromosomes. So she was born a biological female. And still is a female just with a disorder, its good genetics for sports.
recognized test, ok so they let her qualify but when she knocked out the russian boxer she was disqualified the next day, looks official to me, also the iba has NO official gender requirements
Can't wait to see what this community has to say on trans/intersex/boxing issues😂😂😂😂
Intersex doesnt mean you’re exactly 50/50 male female. It means u are a biological male that has characteristics of a female and vice versa.
is it a Trans Issue: No,
Is this clearly an advantage equal to being in a different weight class: Basically.
Should she be disqualified: yes, shes completely out of the other boxers league genetically, now imagine if she was actually good at boxing.
@@ynotmichaelthen how come she literally lost to 9 other people before beating that italian girl, like for real at some point you have to be real, would you complain about how lebron james has an advantage over many peiple because he's tall and muscular as fuck, sport are about maxing out genetics
@@islamogauchisation There is no Weight & Height classes in basket ball, running etc for a reason. Those are not COMBAT sports.
xqc is pretty stupid, but hes right about this, The genetic advantage is not something that can be beat with technique and skill its simply unfair, for her to compete. Shes too strong for a woman and too weak for a man.
@@ynotmichael the other boxer she's contending with like, RIGHT NOW has the same genetic mutation.
I think it's a fair conversation to be had to exclude people with abnormalities from competitions as that defeats the point of winning thru skill
Disqualify micheal phelps then. His nickname is literally “the freak of nature”
Usain Bolt, Mike Tyson, Phelps, Michael Jordan, just to list a few. There's far more, but those are the big ones that you'll probably recognise.
Some people are born and bred different- Some people always have HAD natural selection on their side. Not everyone is born pretty, and there are ways to circumvent that through hardwork, but I ask you:
Why haven't we separated so many people from sports and put certain mutations and genetic lottery winners into their own separate categories?
Well, it'd be exclusionary, and would mean you have a far smaller sample size of competitors and it would NEVER work. It'd just hinder the overall field and mean you'd have to pass several hoops over until everyone was satisfied. It's either all okay, or none of it is okay, in my eyes - some may disagree, but I can't really understand how if one does it, why the other can't.
Banning people with genetic advantages in combat sports bruh? The whole sport should go down the gutter then
14:53 this is still bad take because if they are both females and one has genetically more test then your basically saying that fighters like (Amanda Nunez) who have good genetics and are stronger then most female fighters shouldn’t fight?
We're not talking about a small genetic advantage here. Like being taller, for example. She's got one hell of a man's level of testosterone. Women can take drugs banned by the sports federation for months and still not reach this level.
False because more test for a female doesnt mean male level testosterone. The difference between high test for a female versus male testosterone levels is insane. You dont have any idea about the ratios of these things. Mens average is 700 ng/dl womens average is 42 ng/dl
The woman in the video has a lot testosterone due to her condition, not just “more” like the examples you provided. If you really wanted to, you could add something like weight classes, but with testosterone and other measurements, but it’s really redundant in a general case.
Small genetic advantages are completely normal and don’t take away from the sport when everyone participating has a fair chance, biologically.
For example, tall people typically do better at a sport such as basketball. People with smaller frames will do well ice skating. Etc. However, practice and skill are still 100% the main factor. When it’s a woman fighting another woman (with male hormones) that becomes unfair because we are simply too different when it comes to gender and the hormones tied to it. Maybe it is fine for some sports, but 100% not boxing.
Yeah test levels are just a part of the genetic differences all boxers have that can give them an edge. I also don't really get X's argument about it being "dangerous" to fight just her specifically. If she was so dangerous and threatening to fight against she'd probably be winning all her competitions, but she isn't lol. The italian boxer would be in greater danger fighting the world no.1 female boxer than fighting a worse one that just happens to have higher test lmao. This would be an argument IF she was just genuinely dominating the sport and winning everything. But as of right now there are many female boxers with XX chromosomes more "dangerous" to fight than her. She has had a comparatively low KO ratio throughout her career too
Imagine if people back in Tyson's prime tried to argue that he was simply too strong and therefore shouldn't be allowed to compete
@@virdixxii8341 imagine twisting an example and undermining relevant facts to get your point across.
Tyson at his prime was fighting against other normal XY men with natural test levels ranging from 400-1000. Tyson might fight a guy while being 2.5x his testosterone.
This algerian fighter is not a normal person. XY chromosome, incorrect genetial development, and proven to have the testosterone levels of a man. The average man has 700ng/dl of test. The average women has 45. That means the difference between the algerian boxer is 15.5x more than normal women. Making it more dangerous for him to fight women.
And back in tysons prime people did argue that some boxers shouldnt be allowed to fight because they have too high of testosterone levels. Its called Doping and Steroids.
either make one unisex league for everybody or give trans people their own league , it isn't that hard omg
she is not trans
Not even trans tho
She's not trans
ffs stop saying she's trans
@@legowhite2In humans, what determines sex is the presence of absence of Y chromosomes. He is biologically male. Regardless of private parts or anything else.
The way people were talking about this monster, you would think they were a killing machine. Not 42-9 with only 6 KO's
that’s a beast record
@@zahdoma mate shes 9-5, not exactly a great record.
I think it's more principle, why would young women want to continue or look to a career in sports when a person with a significant biological advantage can beat you because of lax rules. Further, is this safe? In Principle? I mean, people die in boxing and when versing equal opponants, let alone those expressing male phenotypical traits. Nip it in the bud before a young girl dies for it.
if he fought boxers his same gender he would get fked up
@@WookieWarriorz bro said 42-9
Southpark continues to be correct
no because shes acturally a woman not trans
Clinically online aren't you
she quit after one punch 😂😂😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭
Just have testosterone classes like weight classes, irrespective of gender
@@Xenc5 then tank your testosterone levels on purpose and win ez clap
Yes, punish the athlete who did nothing wrong, because the system is flawed. That's peak xqc logic right there.
She didnt do anything wrong. Misgendered at birth. She has the test of a man, bone density of a man, she was born a man. Not her fault she was born with a genetic condition. But based on biology she should be competing in the mens division not womens. WHy punish all woman because doctors misgendered one man?
The person was banned by the boxing association, then all of a sudden let in to the Olympics. Hmmmmm
@@bstbst8233 How do you expect the doctor to diagnosed her with having XY chromosomes and write "Male" on her birth certificate? She has Swyer syndrome which is something that is diagnosed after puberty due to the person being unable to have a period. Unless do you expect doctors to do full chromosome tests before they write the gender of the baby on the birth certificate?
She has an unfair advantage. She has the genetics of a man but the orgasn of a woman. Women by birth, men by chromosome and dna. Discussion closed.
@@bluetiger2468 where did u find this information? Her medical condition is not public knowledge. She could have Sawyer syndrome for sure. I am not saying the doctor should have known, I am saying that is the reason she was misgendered
I love how people just can't accept that the answer isn't always either black or white, exactly THIS or exactly THAT. Nuance and case by case analysis have gotten lost in translation.
10:32 LMAOOOO actually good take
"Low Testosterone Take" killed me
XY or XX. Keep them separate. Very simple.
And she’s a female so what now
@@AlzMarioWolfe maybe you didn't read the comment
@@Alex-hj2jd Sooo now it’s not actually about male or female sports to you anymore? It’s about someone having a little bit more of something than someone else? Cope harder. She’s lost a LOT of boxing matches against other women, this Italian chick is just a wimp. Michael Phelps is practically biologically engineered to be a great swimmer, should he have been disqualified?
It’s ok. Get ready for the next olympics shitshow 😁
The only cotroversy should be about how she was allowed to compete just a year after she was disqualified because of her male dna.
her 🤓
Yes her, she is a man but she lived her whole life thinkin she was a woman. So what do you do in such an instant
She wasn’t disqualified for “male dna” she failed a testosterone test
@@asian1599 do u believe men can get pregnant too?
@@genericuser-1 ?
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6:18 Pop Smoke refference😮
Imane had a bunch of loses before the boxer that lost to her is just bad at boxing like get better WOMP WOMP
Why is this a controversy? Most of world agrees that there's two genders.
What does this have to do with unfair advantages in boxing?
@@FISH_IN_COAT men should compete with men. Women with women. It's that simple.
@@FISH_IN_COATyikes my reply got deleted for saying something completely normal
@@TurtleChad1If it was normal u can just rephrase it
@@TurtleChad1 western world still can't figure it out apparently
Also its the Olympics, shouldn't people be allowed to win due to an anomaly. If you're an absolute unit you'd be cherished in Greece. I feel like if there's an advantage they should exploit it.
Yeah exactly and it's not like they can go into men's category as that would be seriously unfair. Not to mention I've heard theories of people exploiting things to win in athletics before they really clamped down
Okay I’ll register for the next Paralympics and get 10 gold medals
@LolAsdov I know what you're saying but if you were an abeled body person you wouldn't fit into the category. Same as if you were a female you couldn't go into men's category.
The boxer is an intersex. NOT FEMALE, NOT MALE.
She's got both male and female characters.
Ofcourse she gonna have an advantage.
You can't enter intersex into male or female there should be another category for them.
XY CHROMIES COPE HARDER
@@jackb8563 Please read some biology ffs
it's femboy
@@jackb8563you can look at Wikipedia and see you are wrong, but even doing the bare minimum was too much for you.
Now cope and call me woke.
But this instersex thing is very rare, no?
There wouldn't be enough intersex ppl to compete in their own category imo.
I honestly feel but for the woman just tryna compete...
( i was talking about the Algeria)
yup
Woman vs woman so who are you feeling bad for LMAO
i feel bad for her coaches who had her athlete quit in less than a minute against a biological woman with a record of 9-5 😂😂 get good
@@hehexd8319wo(man) vs woman
@@hehexd8319 The woman that doesn't have a biological advantage
11:34 I feel like x is wrong about this, prime Mike Tyson probably was more of legitimate danger to his opponents’ health than this woman ever was, but nobody even banned him from boxing
This woman has male level testosterone. Check the difference between male and female testosterone levels and you will see how high that difference is. It is impossible for a men to have 15x more testosterone than another one, Mike Tyson never was as much of a treat as this woman is. The "danger" that you talk about is completely based on skill levels. This woman would be unstoppable if she actually trained/had skills at men level. She hasn't reached her peak strength at all and the fact that she lost 9 times already proves it. Someone with such a huge advantage losing is literally a skill issue that could be solved if she trained like a man instead of training like a woman
x is dumb, boxing was always a dangerous sport, maybe delete the sport all together because its dangerous, mma and all the other shit.
Isn't the point of this competition to figure out who is the best? If they are female then they should be allowed to compete in the female category no?
The problem is that they aren't female since they don't produce ova.
Ok yeah, she isn't really female, it's still a categorization problem, there is a loophole with intersex where they can compete with the gender they identify with apparently. Don't blame the athlete, blame the system.
Edit: I take it back, she is female, the whole point of female is that you can give birth.
@@Madison.Shikolai.Shooter she is a female she has pictures as a kid. And algeria dont play with the trans stuff its not america or europe she would be in prison if she tried that stuff there
@@monsieurpatate1573 That doesn't mean you're female.
@@TheRedHaze3 science is not 100% accurate and some people have conditions. All im saying is shes not a trans and not part of the lgbt mafia
The natural female should at least be given a weight advantage imo. Even if she isn't trans, shes clearly on testosterone which is performance enhancing clearly a unfair competition. Being on testosterone period shouldn't be allowed in women's sports whether your trans or not. Testosterone is considered a steroid.
I think his take doesn't work.
He doesn't want to put a female boxer against a male-ish female, because he wants to avoid the danger.
But males fight against this level of danger all the time, since they are in fights against other males.
Unless the cranium bone density + increased muscle mass around the neck impacts a lot the reduction of stress the head receives after punches, his argument doesn't work.
I'm sure there are studies on this tho
Chat never fails to call x dumb over him thinking that gorrilla vs newborn is unsafe
they aren't allowed to box when they have highened levels
It’s as if she’s juicing so she shouldn’t be able to compete. Plain and simple
Exactly this. Idk how this is controversional in any way. If you're a woman and have male levels testosterone in your body you should immediately be out, like wtf?
@@muchtoyearn people want to be inclusive and thats how stuff like this ends up happening
@@muchtoyearnwhy?
Well she isn't. That's just her natural biology. Deal with it
@@FranXiT so let’s just let just some men take extra testosterone and beat up other men who don’t have that advantage too right?
They were not born female. They were born with XY chromosomes (making them born male) but without clearly defined genitalia. They have to be assigned a sex at birth and the parents can choose, so they were registered as female... key word... registered. They both went through male puberty - thanks to those XY chromosomes - and gained all the physical advantages that male puberty generates.
the italian just needed to be better lol
A cursory look at her performance in Tokyo would suggest that this is a big culture war nothingburger
It might only be a broken nose this time but what if it's brain damage or someone potentially dying in the ring next time? Will people finally wake up then?
They're competing in boxing, brain damage is pretty much guaranteed and most of it would come from sparring... People with higher levels of testostarone aren't superhumans that will suddenly kill people with their punches. It just gives you an advantage which in this case is natural and legal.
@@TheZubaz 99% of people are not ok with the possibility of a world champion Female boxer being kinda not a female, all it really boils down to
@@LezlyBeetz Wtf does being woman enough even mean? Are we going to disqualify woman with hirsutism, because they're not woman enough for some peoples taste?
@@TheZubazIt isnt natural though as its a condition? Theres a reason why we dont allow testosterone steroids in sports even though testosterone is a natural thing and also varies
@@vilmerplays1959 Yes but we don't ban people for having naturally high t levels. People with gigantism or similar conditions don't get disqualified either and can have a huge impact in sports like basketball.
Bruh, people make men and woman more complicated than what it is. You're either born a man or a woman. Its that simple.
Some people for some odd reason start to "feel" like the opposite gender. Its called genderdysphorie. It is nothing wrong with that! Some people have autism, some people have ADHD, some have depression... its not wrong or humiliating to be that.
Many people can cope with it without problems. Whereas others need professional help. And this is where the problem begins, where media ignores genderdysphoria and treat it as a choice that any human not only can but should make... and than those victims created by braindead societal take starts to suffer and make poor decision, thinking it will fix shit when it only makes it worse.
Recognizing what you are and have and accepting it is the most and first important step to take.
What us bro yapping about this has nothing to do with with transgenders
The person in question has an advantage, therefore the person should not be able to compete. What kind of logic is that😂
If getting hurt while fighting is your worry, then you shouldn’t fight
Theres a reason why combat sports has weight classes, why we seperate male and female in boxing because its literally dangerous. In this case we’re talking about a female with all the biological benefits a male has from testosterone, bone mass, face structure, muscle density, muscle recovery
@@vilmerplays1959 She has high testosterone for a FEMALE. No official numbers have been given out, but it’s safe to assume it’s nowhere near a males, as she does not have testicles.
@@vilmerplays1959 Michael phelps legitimately is built like a lab experiment for "best human swimmer possible". Is that okay, or should he been in a seperate league?
Some NBA players are taller, therefore they shouldn't play shorter players
that south park sketch IRL
I dont understand why Xqc revears destiny so much and also no that guy has xy chromosomes and was previously denied but in the woke Olympics hes cleared and now hammering women.
Yknow even Wikipedia disagrees with you right? This is how I know you didn't even bother to look up what you were saying is true, because it's obvious you only read Twitter posts for your information instead of doing the bare minimum of looking at Wikipedia.
Now call me and Wikipedia woke.
She has condition DSD which means she was born female but could of been born male her body got confused in the womb so was born with female parts but male hormones,so has the strength and body mass of a male and still shouldnt of been able to fight
Even a broke clock is right twice a day. Rare W take
If you support trans rights you support this happening at the Olypmic levels. Its been happening at collegiate and high school female sports for the past decade and is directly related to Trans rights. You dont get to act shocked and appalled at this when you literally voted and supported this.
Is a woman born with a vagina with XY chromosomes a trans women? You've lost the plot when did she transition lol
Idc his win has a massive stain on it forever and that's good enough for me
If being born with a uterus isn't enough for you, then you've lost the plot.
the italian lost not because she faced a man. if she faced a man he woulve droped her to the ground the first 10 seconds. from three punch the italian boxer didnt from knocked out. also the algerian fighter does not has superpower strenghth. she lost before to 9 other woman
This comment section is braindead
Yeah, well done, it's xqc
actual conservative brainrot
XY Chromosomes = Male. THe boxer who won is a male, whike the one who lost is a female.
Not necessarily in this case, she has Sweyer Syndrome which shows up as XY chromosome but she still has all the features of a woman. She’s always been a woman, she was born a woman
Yeah this was a L on X part. Ir you are born a male, then you’re a male, forever.
Literally assigned female at birth but ok
How about XXY?
@FISH_IN_COAT There's no such thing as "assigned at birth" You are either MALE Or FEMALE. Males have XY Chromosomes While Females have XX Chromosomes. Please stop embarrassing yourself and being ignorant.
valid take from the goblin this time
We’re reaching a point where people want the gender barriers in physical sports removed, for whatever reason. If this is the way forward, in combat sports especially, muscle mass and testosterone levels should be tested to ensure that a fight is actually fair. The concern now is that the safety isn’t keeping up with the change in the sport. I don’t really want to see a dude beat up on a girl but some people might want to see the opposite so who cares as long as it’s actually fair.
She's not trans 😭
L take, a women is a women, and a man is a man, and there are different levels within men and within women, what if a man if too strong, should he be disqualified.
Watch Europa the last battle
Shut it down
gambling hasnt been easier doing 500 dollar bets on him EZ Clap
xD its just a man beating woman in woman sport, what a crazy word we are livin
Its actually not a man that stuff is illegal in algeria. They would never allow someone like that to represent their country and she has pictures of her as a child its a real women
Ah yes, because Algeria would totally be cool with that. AH YES. TOTALLY.
you're numb in the head drooling while typing this if you think Algeria would send a trans woman to represent them
@@bloodvlad5714 A man with a vagina, good thing you respect trans people ☺️, the person identifies as a woman tho..
My dude didn't even watch, just guessed and commented
Time to get rid of women only sports catagories. If they wanna compete just be stronger