@@DaveMcIroy Waaaaaay back in 1985, Alain Prost won the San Marino GP but on the cool down lap, he ran out of fuel. They weighed his car and it was under weight and he was disqualified. For the longest time after that, as soon as everyone crossed the finish line, they all pulled over and parked it.
Pity for George, but it's a black and white rule. He'll be back on the top step in the near future. Great drive as well from Lewis. A deserving victory as well.
375g is about 3-4% of the weight of the tire (tyre) itself. So fine margins (especially with no marble collection after the race on the in lap). Easy to see how they would have set the weight assuming a tire of n laps, and if you have n+15 laps (that's only 25g of rubber a lap, less than an ounce) then you are light. Presumably Toto realized that he f'ed up by not telling Russell that Russell's strategy call would likely result in the tires being light by the end of the race, and this was a track you can't pick up weight on. Lots of references on line to the marble collection strategy.
Spiralled out of control for McLaren? The British media obsession with Lando is ridiculous. Lando self critical again like it is a good trait. How about not making the mistakes that lead to self-criticism? Sure, Piastri made one mistake that may or may not have cost him, but an otherwise flawless race to go from P5 to P2. You do know that McLaren has TWO drivers don't you?
Got to honest it felt very similar to Abu Dhabi in 2021. Lewis was snided by his own team, Toto allowed the strategists to put George in front and not tell Lewis. This will go down has the biggest karma in f1 history. A monumental smack in the face for Toto. Lewis already knew he doesn’t have the same anything has George.For me this is Lewis’s greatest win at Mercedes just purely again for showing his sporting class.
When Russell pulled up to his 1st place marker I said to myself why is his tires so clean I knew that was going to be an issue. I think it was a rookie mistake from a non rookie driver, plus I think Toto knew by the look on his face he wasn't so exuberant. They know the rule book.
As the guys said in the video, normally at the end of the race the cars have a full in-lap to weave around and pick up the marbles from the track. At Spa, immediately after turn 1, the cars swing around and go back down the pit lane the wrong way to get to Parc Ferme, where the cars are then weighed by the FIA.
@@AutosportOfficial Wow that is crazy, I guess that 1 stop strategy turned out to be the wrong move. Russell was so happy that he won just to have his race disqualified. Man he took such good care of those hard compound tyres too.
@@AutosportOfficialEveryone knows that though and they should have accounted for that. Also, the other 4 cars on the one stop didn't have a problem. Merc is looking very amateurish at the moment, and Toto's face at the end said it all.
For my ex-wife it's just a snack, for an F1 team that limits the size of it's sponsor's decals due to weight, it's like taking a couple of bags of cement out of the trunk of your car.
It is a small amount. Cars start off with up to 110 kg of fuel and end with not a lot. A set of tyres can lose 3 kg during a race, and maybe more, especially if a 1 stop strategy is decided during the race, as it seems to have been. The boards underneath wear as well and lose weight 1.5 kg is 0.18% of the required weight of 798 kg - not exactly a stunning advantage in any case, especially as any less momentum gained during acceleration, is counterbalanced by the recovery mechanism retrieving less electrical energy during braking.
@@edeledeledel5490 cars are weighed after race with fuel removed so not an issue. Other cars did 1 stop & weren't underweight by even 50grams, 1.5kg is a huge amount in F1.
Yeah, a team that spends millions on making the car faster would clearly shoot their chances in the constructors in the foot by hamstringing one of that cars just because a driver is leaving. Why wouldn’t they do that? Can I just ask about these Paddock rumours and how you would know when you have never been near the Paddock? Just want to clear that up.
@@southpawjinx1 I mean of course its a constant but lets not pretend teams haven’t given one driver a worse car compared to the team-mate or favoured one driver over the other, but currently there isnt any evidence of this happening at Merc.
@@ImperiumOfLuther There's so many other safer ways of undermining one driver in a team. Like for example making Hamilton's car overweight since there's no Max. weight.
Russell is a selfish driver a few races back when George had to Retire the car because of cooling issues we started 1st n 2nd he Never played the team game and pushed so hard he overheated had he played the Team game he and Hamilton could have easily pulled away from the Field Towing each other with Drs but naw not George
this wasnt anything anti lewis. His strategy was better for pace and defending against Piastri behind, but track position and Russel charging his battery for deployment in defense was something no one realized was so strong here in Spa. look at Albon and others who missed out because of a cheeky one stopper from Fernando. I never get how LH fans always wanna pull the trigger on him being disliked, hated or held up - even Toto's face was grim and unhappy when Lewis didnt win. This time Russel did something that no one thought was possible. nothing mercedes could have done about.
@@planet_oith Lewis is a lame duck at Mercedes. With him going to Ferrari next year, Merc is less inclined to let him know what is going on within the team.
Lewis in the strategy meeting wanted to do a 1 stop the team said it wouldn't work and both were on a 2 stop. If i remember Merced's never let a driver make a call that would give the second car the advantage over the lead car I am sure this has come up with Nico and Valtteri.
heh Max hater .no pundits really thought this ..they said it would be much hater ..so manyyteams proved on dry track they were so close ..the differences were so small and the shorter drs stopped almost all passes
George took a risk with the fuel and it didn’t pay off / simple as! He should have lifted and coasted to save fuel like Lewis. He didn’t and got disqualified!
This wasn’t a fuel issue. He had the minimum amount left for testing. No opportunity to pick up marbles, that played a part. But still, 1.5kg, that’s over 3 lb. Mercedes miscalculated. You’re not under weight on purpose. You will get caught. A thin plank, you might get away with that.
@@konekillerking could also be that they planned for a 2 stop race and underweighted the car on purpose knowing that they hard a a 20 lap stint would only loose enough rubber to keep it legal and Russel going for a 1 stop meant that he didn’t have enough tire weight left to make up the difference. Remember it’s only 0.375 kg per tire needed to make the weight legal.
This was a very exciting race today and all you people seem to be concerned about is when will Horner get rid of Checo. How about focusing more on the positive things in f1.
After Lewis did his second pit stop, Merc checked the tyre wear in Hamiltons tires and made the call from that. They knew what they were doing coupled with the lighter car legality.
It obvious what hapend with Perez quali in the rain they had so much more downforce that is why he was 3rd and Max was 0.6sec ahead but in the dry race the pace wasn't that much higher that is why Max was 5th at the line and Perez fell down like a stone
Tiny amount? Around Spa that weight equates to 0.3 seconds per lap, no? Autosport used to be a serious place. Feel bad for George. He drove an outstanding race. But rules are rules.
No, it doesn't. The tyres are not a constant weight, you have to figure that into your calculations. Over a whole stint it is much harder to determine the weight loss due to degradation of the tyre, and it seems Mercedes got it wrong, sailing a little too close to the limit. If that is indeed the cause of the car being underweight.
@@AutosportOfficial I suspect that is not true either. Slight advantage accelerating - but also slight disadvantage in energy recovery whilst braking because there will be less momentum because of the smaller mass. Some advantage in less braking effort. The advantage depends on the car accelerating hard or braking hard; it doesn't accelerate or brake for the whole of the race. It's almost impossible to quantify, but .03s seems low, being about .015% of a lap time, whilst the weight difference is 0.18%, ten times as much.
The fact that Hamilton was able to stay in DRS range of Russell, more than likely enabled him to fend off Piastri. Mecerdes is probably fortunate that Hamilton wasnt also penalized... Which is probably why Toto was so contritite in accepting the DQ.
Hamilton was clearly faster than Russel just never had the power or tyres to overtake him and Piastri was the same so even if Russel had let Hamilton through Piastri was not getting past him if anything Russel keeping first place let Piastri catch up to Hamilton who up to that point had the race in the bag until Mercedes decided not to use a team call and let Hamilton pass Russel who was on an older set of tyres,just does not make any sense unless they wanted Hamilton to not win and by doing what they did it gave McLaren a sniff at a possible win.
@@edeledeledel5490 yes he is leaving still doesn't excuse Mercedes for trying to steal the race from him and almost succeeding which is what they did because without the one stop on Russel Hamilton would have been way out in front and won the race, even after two stopping he was right behind Russel which means he made up a whole pit stop on his team mate.
Russell tried to look exciting but he knew that his car was under weight....1.5k is a lot and doing a one stop is just to try and cover the fact that something was wrong. Mercedes needs a top driver to replace Lewis and Max is currently the first person on that list which they already made it public....therefore Russell is not the future of Mercedes.
Is it possible we are just now noticing a secret tactic used by (some?all?) teams to run slightly underweight and pick up the marbles on the track during the cooldown lap?
The cars should be weight out of fuel and without the tyres, since tyres are under the provider's responsability, they need to re-write some of the regulations.
Not a George fan but it sucks because I thought he drove a tremendous race especially the last 4 laps, his exit and pickup points coming out of Orouge was amazing, unfortunately the car was deemed not legal..
Not unfortunate, Because George's car was 1.5KG light. A sport where every gram counts for performance. No wonder he could do all that on old tyres. Hamilton must have been thinking "WTF, why can't I catch him, how is he doing that".😂
The whole thing sucks! Think of the emotions involved in the last lap! The celebrations and all, only to have everything swept away for this kind of infringement. Mercedes messed the young man's day
8:20 you call yourselves journalists. DR should have been in Q3 on Saturday, the team screwed his final push in Q2, you know this yet omit it from your on the spot assessment. The team were more than happy with his performance.
So what do we all think about Lewis grumpily criticizing his strategy ? "Every stint I had tyres left, but the team pulled me in" . Didn't seem to care that was what kept him ahead of McLaren. Seemed very displeased that George won, giving them a 1-2, but now happy.
George should have been instructed to let Lewis pass he was clearly Faster on Race Pace and maybe 2nd place he wouldn't have been Inspected afterwards.
@Champ-DMVRam93 I’m not sure about that ..if he lets Lewis pass then he would get pass by Piastri and eventually also pass Lewis.. However it was Lewis’s pace that held off Piastri for those last few laps. It’s good thing it wasn’t a 50 lap race because if it were Oscar wins this race because he definitely had more pace than both Mercedes towards the end of the race.
@@Champ-DMVRam93You’re right. It wouldn’t have been. They routinely weigh the winning car and Lewis was fine, so they almost certainly wouldn’t bother weighing George’s car.
A view from the UK. can someone enlighten me? Is the car weighed before the race and does it have a full or empty fuel tank. Does it also have a set of fresh tyres too? How do they account for the heavier weight of fresher tyres replaced on a 2 stop strategy and the lighter tyres from a 1 stop strategy? Can some engines burn more fuel in a race than others depending on how they are driven? Did i hear him say it was 1.5kg under weight? "They go around and pick up loose rubber rolled off their tyres during a race to increase the weight of the car for this reason" This so called 'Sport' has been totally and utterly emasculated. It has been robbed of its excitement for the global industries advertised on the cars.
There is a minimum weight requirement, so no need to weigh before the race as all the cars are weighed at the end of the race. The cars are weighed without fuel. Yes, normally on the in-lap after the race, the cars would do a full lap and as you often hear, the engineers will ask the driver to complete an end of race procedure. This is exactly as you state, the drivers will deliberately look to pick up marbles, discarded bits of tyre rubber, and as the tyres on the car are still hot, that rubber sticks. This adds extra weight and can help make sure that the car is over the minimum weight. At Spa, there is no full in-lap at the end of the race due to it being such a long lap, so the procedure at Spa is that after turn 1, the cars loop back and head the wrong way down the pitlane directly to parc ferme to be weighed.
@@AutosportOfficial "There is no minimum weight requirement before a race". If that's the case how would you know it was a lighter weight to start with? Or is it all down to the race teams to weigh their own cars and bulk it out to 600kgs with no fuel and fresh tyres i think is the maximum weight a car should start at? I can see you are an expert can you answer this question ; Russell's car was 1.5kg under weight i think. If this was done deliberately, how much of an advantage would he have had in the race?
The minimum weight of the cars with tyres and without fuel is 798kg,. The cars can be called to the weigh scales at any point during the race weekend by the FIA. The regulations also state that the car must not go below the minimum weight. The cars are also weighed at the start of the weekend, and random cars are selected across the weekend. There is no specific weight check ahead of the race. The rule is very clear cut, so it really is not worth the team risking anything as the penalty is a disqualification from the race or exclusion from the event. 1.5kg underweight is approx 0.040s per lap, but if the issue that caused the car to be underweight is due to tyre degradation due to a long second stint on the tyres and the lack of the option to pick up marbles on the in-lap after the race, then the weight loss would be a linear effect and therefore the speed increase would also be linear. So it is not a simple answer.
@@AutosportOfficial I'll make this as simple as i can. If the cars are not weighed BEFORE a race but rely on the honesty and integrity of the teams, why do they all of a sudden insist on weighing AFTER the race? If they are weighed before a race then there would be no argument regarding tampering, would there. Common sense tells you this but it seems reading your replies i'm struggling to see any of it. Or do you think Mercedes would secretly take off 1.5kgs of car AFTER it's been weighed? Can you also answer my question about what advantage being 1.5kgs under weight give you please?
Ok, so the cars are weighed after the qualifying session, the cars are then placed in what is called "Parc Ferme" conditions which means that the teams are only allowed to change parts or elements of the car under the supervision of the FIA. There are cameras in each of the garages, that are monitored by the FIA to control this. The teams know the rules and the consequence of breaking the rules relating to minimum weight. If the teams decide to break those rules then will be discovered by the monitoring team or by the post race weight checks. So these incidents are usually down to a mistake in the teams calculations rather than a deliberate attempt to gain an advantage. Throughout F1 teams will attempt to push the limits all the time, this leads to very fine margins. Occasionally they get it wrong and and pay the price. As to why the FIA don't weigh the cars directly before the race, that is not a question I can answer, but the onus is on all competitors to ensure their cars meet the legal requirements laid down by the FIA at all times during an event. With regards to the advantage of being underweight by 1.5kg, I explained in my previous answer that if this was down to tyre degradation then the advantage will be a linear equation in line with the linear degradation of the tyre as it wears down. If however the underweight issue was a constant, for example the car was underweight from the start of the race, then per lap the advantage would be roughly 0.04s per lap, over the total race distance that advantage would equate to roughly 1.76 seconds at the end of the race.
Did you see Tontos face, when GR won?????? Blank as a sheet of paper so, WHY??? Anyways, I'v had enough of F1, the yanks spoil all sports so, after many decades', of watching this crap, and with the new / more rules coming in 2025... I'll never watch another 'race!' ALSO the farce where Oscar won... really, this isn't racing, anymore! F1? RIP!!!
Also Hamilton whining about his strategy, purely based on getting beaten by George, not appreciating it was the one that kept him ahead of McLaren and ultimately did beat George, so I bet he changes his mind.
Merc took a gamble simple as that iff he come in the pits he would have saved petrol 70 mph in 70 mph out plus standing still ..Work it out not brain science they thought they could if got away with it ..gamble didn't work out for Russell unfortunately then come no we're
@@southpawjinx1 With 1.5Kg extra added to the car, Lewis would’ve caught George three laps earlier. Lewis tried to overtake George for the final three laps, and he never got close to completing the overtake. Lewis never got closer than .200 seconds to George. Track position was key. Do you really think Lewis would’ve been able to overtake George with three extra laps, when he never got closer than .200 seconds to George? It probably wouldn’t have made a difference…
@@Real_ghostboi yeah you’re probably right. I can’t see how being 1.5kg underweight for the eternity of a 44 lap Grand Prix totalling 191.49 miles would have had any bearing on the result of a race that Russell won by 0.526 of a second. Like you said it probably didn’t make a difference.
That’s only done when they finish on wet tyres. The pickup is to try to make sure there’s no weight issues, but as they should be over the minimum weight at all times, it shouldn’t make a difference. All the other cars were fine.
@@CarimboHanky nope, you are complaining wrong, even so, the races that yuki has beaten him daniel has been on the back end of very poor strategy for races and qualifying. Thats facts and reality. There is a reason why yuki has been better it’s because of daniel Riccardo influence
Lewis's car was the right weight, Alonso did a 1 stop & his car was legal weight.
Tsunoda too. It must be more than just the tire, i'm thinking maybe the floor.
@@markopolo5123, also I never heard that before and I watch F1 since 1997. Sure, there's always something new to learn, but that just sounded weird.
lewis had half the laps on the tires, fernando is driving a tractor. hope this helps!
@@DaveMcIroy Waaaaaay back in 1985, Alain Prost won the San Marino GP but on the cool down lap, he ran out of fuel. They weighed his car and it was under weight and he was disqualified. For the longest time after that, as soon as everyone crossed the finish line, they all pulled over and parked it.
@@user-ui3cs9dp5k Helps who?? Not George.
Minimum weight in racing is an absolute rule, no argument about that.
Pity for George, but it's a black and white rule. He'll be back on the top step in the near future.
Great drive as well from Lewis. A deserving victory as well.
It seemed strange that Toto appeared to be so subdued about his team's 1-2 finish, almost as though he knew this breach may be detected.
@@simonmiller5118 I noticed Toto having a less than excited face at the end.
It was really odd when I saw toto not excited after having a 1-2, at that moment I was thinking something was off
Yess!! I noticed this too
Yeah he was gutted knowing Lewis would end up with the win 😅
toto knew
100% that's why he looked so mad and wasn't cheering after the 1/2.
Yeah, he didn't even seem happy for the 1-2
Exactly!
Probably just concerned about what LH would be thinking
Feel that he knew something when I saw his face just as George passed the flag
375g is about 3-4% of the weight of the tire (tyre) itself. So fine margins (especially with no marble collection after the race on the in lap). Easy to see how they would have set the weight assuming a tire of n laps, and if you have n+15 laps (that's only 25g of rubber a lap, less than an ounce) then you are light. Presumably Toto realized that he f'ed up by not telling Russell that Russell's strategy call would likely result in the tires being light by the end of the race, and this was a track you can't pick up weight on.
Lots of references on line to the marble collection strategy.
Well instead of racing Lewis in the last laps he could have just collect the rubber?
The other 4 drivers that were on the 1 stop didn't have a problem with weight. Merc went against their strategy and it bit them in the arse.
Spiralled out of control for McLaren? The British media obsession with Lando is ridiculous. Lando self critical again like it is a good trait. How about not making the mistakes that lead to self-criticism? Sure, Piastri made one mistake that may or may not have cost him, but an otherwise flawless race to go from P5 to P2. You do know that McLaren has TWO drivers don't you?
In Oscar I trust - sorry, can't help myself
yeah, Piastri went well , generally..
Yeah - but one is a foreigner. Lando Norris is a good ol' British name...
Got to honest it felt very similar to Abu Dhabi in 2021. Lewis was snided by his own team, Toto allowed the strategists to put George in front and not tell Lewis. This will go down has the biggest karma in f1 history. A monumental smack in the face for Toto. Lewis already knew he doesn’t have the same anything has George.For me this is Lewis’s greatest win at Mercedes just purely again for showing his sporting class.
The look on Toto's face after chequered flag explains it!
Weight a minute .... lol .... good one !
Very clever. 😁
When Russell pulled up to his 1st place marker I said to myself why is his tires so clean I knew that was going to be an issue. I think it was a rookie mistake from a non rookie driver, plus I think Toto knew by the look on his face he wasn't so exuberant. They know the rule book.
As the guys said in the video, normally at the end of the race the cars have a full in-lap to weave around and pick up the marbles from the track. At Spa, immediately after turn 1, the cars swing around and go back down the pit lane the wrong way to get to Parc Ferme, where the cars are then weighed by the FIA.
@@AutosportOfficial Wow that is crazy, I guess that 1 stop strategy turned out to be the wrong move. Russell was so happy that he won just to have his race disqualified. Man he took such good care of those hard compound tyres too.
@@AutosportOfficialEveryone knows that though and they should have accounted for that. Also, the other 4 cars on the one stop didn't have a problem. Merc is looking very amateurish at the moment, and Toto's face at the end said it all.
Dani Ricc DID get a point :P ;)
Wow
Real difference maker there… 🤣🤣🤣
Ocon: wait I got how many? 😃
averaged quicker than Alonso and Ocon too, should have been P7 but they messed up quali strat as usual
Where shoey?
1.5k doesn't seem like a tiny amount
0.1875 %
For my ex-wife it's just a snack, for an F1 team that limits the size of it's sponsor's decals due to weight, it's like taking a couple of bags of cement out of the trunk of your car.
You dont know much about F1 do you?
It is a small amount. Cars start off with up to 110 kg of fuel and end with not a lot. A set of tyres can lose 3 kg during a race, and maybe more, especially if a 1 stop strategy is decided during the race, as it seems to have been. The boards underneath wear as well and lose weight
1.5 kg is 0.18% of the required weight of 798 kg - not exactly a stunning advantage in any case, especially as any less momentum gained during acceleration, is counterbalanced by the recovery mechanism retrieving less electrical energy during braking.
@@edeledeledel5490 cars are weighed after race with fuel removed so not an issue. Other cars did 1 stop & weren't underweight by even 50grams, 1.5kg is a huge amount in F1.
You ain’t picking up 1.5killos of rubber
Front tires weigh 9.5 kilos, rears 11.5. each tire would only have to pick up .4 kilos to have met minimum weight. Seems very possible.
There have been rumors in the paddock that Russell always had a lighter car than Lewis.
Yeah, a team that spends millions on making the car faster would clearly shoot their chances in the constructors in the foot by hamstringing one of that cars just because a driver is leaving. Why wouldn’t they do that?
Can I just ask about these Paddock rumours and how you would know when you have never been near the Paddock? Just want to clear that up.
I don’t think that’s the case
@@southpawjinx1 I mean of course its a constant but lets not pretend teams haven’t given one driver a worse car compared to the team-mate or favoured one driver over the other, but currently there isnt any evidence of this happening at Merc.
@@ImperiumOfLuther
There's so many other safer ways of undermining one driver in a team. Like for example making Hamilton's car overweight since there's no Max. weight.
@@caydenph2741 unless you're Verstappen ;-)
it would have been better for Russle if he had just pitted a second time...😅
Makes you wonder if teams have a "light" set of wheels they put on for the middle of the race if doing a 2 stop strategy.
@@brettlusby8094not possible, do some research on what happens behind the scenes and youll understand
@@brettlusby8094Good point, especially looking at Totos face when the race ended, he knew there'd be an issue.
Mercs playing games on Lewis
An now has bit them in the butt😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Justice served
Russell is a selfish driver a few races back when George had to Retire the car because of cooling issues we started 1st n 2nd he Never played the team game and pushed so hard he overheated had he played the Team game he and Hamilton could have easily pulled away from the Field Towing each other with Drs but naw not George
this wasnt anything anti lewis. His strategy was better for pace and defending against Piastri behind, but track position and Russel charging his battery for deployment in defense was something no one realized was so strong here in Spa. look at Albon and others who missed out because of a cheeky one stopper from Fernando.
I never get how LH fans always wanna pull the trigger on him being disliked, hated or held up - even Toto's face was grim and unhappy when Lewis didnt win. This time Russel did something that no one thought was possible. nothing mercedes could have done about.
no wonder his tyres lasted to the end
not a minute just 2-3 seconds actually 🤣
This looks r 6:43 eally bad for the team side of Mercedes. Not letting Lewis in on that strategy before it was too late. What's going on?
@@planet_oith Lewis is a lame duck at Mercedes. With him going to Ferrari next year, Merc is less inclined to let him know what is going on within the team.
Lewis in the strategy meeting wanted to do a 1 stop the team said it wouldn't work and both were on a 2 stop.
If i remember Merced's never let a driver make a call that would give the second car the advantage over the lead car I am sure this has come up with Nico and Valtteri.
@@guyincogneto8979 to the extent where things come undone.
I thought Max was just supposed to drive straight through to the front. What happened to the Great Max?
heh Max hater .no pundits really thought this ..they said it would be much hater ..so manyyteams proved on dry track they were so close ..the differences were so small and the shorter drs stopped almost all passes
He looked like nothing special yesterday
what happened? RB20 happened...
He didn't finish in front of Lando?
George took a risk with the fuel and it didn’t pay off / simple as! He should have lifted and coasted to save fuel like Lewis. He didn’t and got disqualified!
This wasn’t a fuel issue. He had the minimum amount left for testing.
No opportunity to pick up marbles, that played a part. But still, 1.5kg, that’s over 3 lb.
Mercedes miscalculated. You’re not under weight on purpose. You will get caught. A thin plank, you might get away with that.
@@konekillerking could also be that they planned for a 2 stop race and underweighted the car on purpose knowing that they hard a a 20 lap stint would only loose enough rubber to keep it legal and Russel going for a 1 stop meant that he didn’t have enough tire weight left to make up the difference. Remember it’s only 0.375 kg per tire needed to make the weight legal.
@@brandonhunkin3783 375g is less than 2cm of wear per tyre
@@brandonhunkin3783 this!
The minimum weight is the minimum weight without fuel.
This was a very exciting race today and all you people seem to be concerned about is when will Horner get rid of Checo. How about focusing more on the positive things in f1.
FIA bodyshaming
Ahahahaha!!!
After Lewis did his second pit stop, Merc checked the tyre wear in Hamiltons tires and made the call from that. They knew what they were doing coupled with the lighter car legality.
They didn't know what they were doing coz they royally f*cked it up . 1.5 k is quite a lot for an activity like F1.
It obvious what hapend with Perez quali in the rain they had so much more downforce that is why he was 3rd and Max was 0.6sec ahead but in the dry race the pace wasn't that much higher that is why Max was 5th at the line and Perez fell down like a stone
10/10 title
Tiny amount? Around Spa that weight equates to 0.3 seconds per lap, no? Autosport used to be a serious place.
Feel bad for George. He drove an outstanding race. But rules are rules.
No, it doesn't. The tyres are not a constant weight, you have to figure that into your calculations. Over a whole stint it is much harder to determine the weight loss due to degradation of the tyre, and it seems Mercedes got it wrong, sailing a little too close to the limit. If that is indeed the cause of the car being underweight.
@@AutosportOfficial if it’s hard to determine, how can you say “no, it doesn’t”?
The 1.5kg weight does not equate to 0.3s per lap. With the current cars, 1.5kg under weight would be somewhere around 0.03s per lap.
@@AutosportOfficial I suspect that is not true either. Slight advantage accelerating - but also slight disadvantage in energy recovery whilst braking because there will be less momentum because of the smaller mass. Some advantage in less braking effort. The advantage depends on the car accelerating hard or braking hard; it doesn't accelerate or brake for the whole of the race. It's almost impossible to quantify, but .03s seems low, being about .015% of a lap time, whilst the weight difference is 0.18%, ten times as much.
If this was red bull car ƴ y you all would be calling them cheats
Their cheating has clearly been kerbed by the FIA, but out of the public eye, hence their notable drop off in performance at Hungary and here.
Russell knew
The fact that Hamilton was able to stay in DRS range of Russell, more than likely enabled him to fend off Piastri. Mecerdes is probably fortunate that Hamilton wasnt also penalized... Which is probably why Toto was so contritite in accepting the DQ.
why would hamilton be penalized his car was above minimum weight
Why would Lewis be penalised if his car was the right weight?
Hamilton was clearly faster than Russel just never had the power or tyres to overtake him and Piastri was the same so even if Russel had let Hamilton through Piastri was not getting past him if anything Russel keeping first place let Piastri catch up to Hamilton who up to that point had the race in the bag until Mercedes decided not to use a team call and let Hamilton pass Russel who was on an older set of tyres,just does not make any sense unless they wanted Hamilton to not win and by doing what they did it gave McLaren a sniff at a possible win.
@@dantheman9228 Hamilton is leaving at the end of the year, isn't he?
@@edeledeledel5490 yes he is leaving still doesn't excuse Mercedes for trying to steal the race from him and almost succeeding which is what they did because without the one stop on Russel Hamilton would have been way out in front and won the race, even after two stopping he was right behind Russel which means he made up a whole pit stop on his team mate.
Russell tried to look exciting but he knew that his car was under weight....1.5k is a lot and doing a one stop is just to try and cover the fact that something was wrong.
Mercedes needs a top driver to replace Lewis and Max is currently the first person on that list which they already made it public....therefore Russell is not the future of Mercedes.
@@stormforce7599 Nah George had no idea but I feel Toto knew something
Is it possible we are just now noticing a secret tactic used by (some?all?) teams to run slightly underweight and pick up the marbles on the track during the cooldown lap?
You shouldn't just now be noticing, that is standard strategy!
Watch drive to survive. They will tell you.
This has been done for decades fool!!!!
Just now? they've been doing this forever they should already know they don't get a cooldown lap at spa as they haven't done it for ages too.
No, they have to be above minimum at all times. Pickup just helps ensure they’re not under the limit, usually.
The cars should be weight out of fuel and without the tyres, since tyres are under the provider's responsability, they need to re-write some of the regulations.
Not a George fan but it sucks because I thought he drove a tremendous race especially the last 4 laps, his exit and pickup points coming out of Orouge was amazing, unfortunately the car was deemed not legal..
Eau Rouge
Not unfortunate, Because George's car was 1.5KG light. A sport where every gram counts for performance. No wonder he could do all that on old tyres. Hamilton must have been thinking "WTF, why can't I catch him, how is he doing that".😂
Yeah, he was light as a kite, nothing could catch him, they may have turn his car down as well.
Merc were caught cheating. They even tried living some fuel in the car to mask the fact that King George from King’s Lynn’s car was underweight.
You know they're weighed with the fuel taken out, right?
Read again what I wrote
@@tembosoundsshow9867 ...yeah, it's still nonsense.
The whole thing sucks! Think of the emotions involved in the last lap!
The celebrations and all, only to have everything swept away for this kind of infringement.
Mercedes messed the young man's day
George had no fault!..The team should get a penalty
That's such an amateur mistake....the weight is such a basic requirement , they have so much telemetry how is this even possible ?
George Russell disqualified! No weigh!
Yeah!!!!!!
8:20 you call yourselves journalists. DR should have been in Q3 on Saturday, the team screwed his final push in Q2, you know this yet omit it from your on the spot assessment. The team were more than happy with his performance.
yep, more script reader than journalist, they treat it like a soap opera. F1 at it's lowest common denominator.
This is the Ham report not journalism
So much gift giving....is it Xmas already?
😂 do we really think he would pick up 2 lbs of debris in a slow victory lap around the track?
it's more like 3.3lbs
Yes, easily.
Yes
Calculate surface area of 4 tyres. Map it on the floor. Take 2kg of rubber mixed with pebbles and cover the area.
@@MIEJ4 Not easy at Spa since there is no victory lap. The cars come backwards into the pit exit after passing finish line
YOU GOT CAUGHT MERCEDES! Mistake, really?
You really think that Mercedes were deliberately underweight; the easiest infringement to detect. Why would they do that.?
@@edeledeledel5490 mercedes have been cheating for years
@@comebackdad3433 Evidence? Red Bull have been bending the financial rules for years, and getting away with it.
💯
I didn't see George collecting enough rubber chucks outside the grove on the cool-down lap ???
There is no cooldown lap on this track
@@eveningstar1 Thanks !!! Too Bad ~~~
Can’t wait to see this on Drive to Survive lol
Drive to Survive is for posers.
So what do we all think about Lewis grumpily criticizing his strategy ? "Every stint I had tyres left, but the team pulled me in" . Didn't seem to care that was what kept him ahead of McLaren. Seemed very displeased that George won, giving them a 1-2, but now happy.
Grumpily? Was he supposed to do like Max did last race and swearily [sic] criticise instead?
😅😅
George should have been instructed to let Lewis pass he was clearly Faster on Race Pace and maybe 2nd place he wouldn't have been Inspected afterwards.
@Champ-DMVRam93
I’m not sure about that ..if he lets Lewis pass then he would get pass by Piastri and eventually also pass Lewis.. However it was Lewis’s pace that held off Piastri for those last few laps. It’s good thing it wasn’t a 50 lap race because if it were Oscar wins this race because he definitely had more pace than both Mercedes towards the end of the race.
@@Champ-DMVRam93You’re right. It wouldn’t have been. They routinely weigh the winning car and Lewis was fine, so they almost certainly wouldn’t bother weighing George’s car.
Where is Ed Straw?
1.5 kgs for a formula1 car ...quicker in the corners ..
Imagine if Russell had enough gap to pitted on the last lap to gain weight lol
A view from the UK. can someone enlighten me? Is the car weighed before the race and does it have a full or empty fuel tank. Does it also have a set of fresh tyres too? How do they account for the heavier weight of fresher tyres replaced on a 2 stop strategy and the lighter tyres from a 1 stop strategy? Can some engines burn more fuel in a race than others depending on how they are driven? Did i hear him say it was 1.5kg under weight? "They go around and pick up loose rubber rolled off their tyres during a race to increase the weight of the car for this reason" This so called 'Sport' has been totally and utterly emasculated. It has been robbed of its excitement for the global industries advertised on the cars.
There is a minimum weight requirement, so no need to weigh before the race as all the cars are weighed at the end of the race. The cars are weighed without fuel. Yes, normally on the in-lap after the race, the cars would do a full lap and as you often hear, the engineers will ask the driver to complete an end of race procedure. This is exactly as you state, the drivers will deliberately look to pick up marbles, discarded bits of tyre rubber, and as the tyres on the car are still hot, that rubber sticks. This adds extra weight and can help make sure that the car is over the minimum weight. At Spa, there is no full in-lap at the end of the race due to it being such a long lap, so the procedure at Spa is that after turn 1, the cars loop back and head the wrong way down the pitlane directly to parc ferme to be weighed.
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"There is no minimum weight requirement before a race". If that's the case how would you know it was a lighter weight to start with? Or is it all down to the race teams to weigh their own cars and bulk it out to 600kgs with no fuel and fresh tyres i think is the maximum weight a car should start at? I can see you are an expert can you answer this question ; Russell's car was 1.5kg under weight i think. If this was done deliberately, how much of an advantage would he have had in the race?
The minimum weight of the cars with tyres and without fuel is 798kg,. The cars can be called to the weigh scales at any point during the race weekend by the FIA. The regulations also state that the car must not go below the minimum weight. The cars are also weighed at the start of the weekend, and random cars are selected across the weekend. There is no specific weight check ahead of the race. The rule is very clear cut, so it really is not worth the team risking anything as the penalty is a disqualification from the race or exclusion from the event. 1.5kg underweight is approx 0.040s per lap, but if the issue that caused the car to be underweight is due to tyre degradation due to a long second stint on the tyres and the lack of the option to pick up marbles on the in-lap after the race, then the weight loss would be a linear effect and therefore the speed increase would also be linear. So it is not a simple answer.
@@AutosportOfficial
I'll make this as simple as i can. If the cars are not weighed BEFORE a race but rely on the honesty and integrity of the teams, why do they all of a sudden insist on weighing AFTER the race? If they are weighed before a race then there would be no argument regarding tampering, would there. Common sense tells you this but it seems reading your replies i'm struggling to see any of it. Or do you think Mercedes would secretly take off 1.5kgs of car AFTER it's been weighed? Can you also answer my question about what advantage being 1.5kgs under weight give you please?
Ok, so the cars are weighed after the qualifying session, the cars are then placed in what is called "Parc Ferme" conditions which means that the teams are only allowed to change parts or elements of the car under the supervision of the FIA. There are cameras in each of the garages, that are monitored by the FIA to control this. The teams know the rules and the consequence of breaking the rules relating to minimum weight. If the teams decide to break those rules then will be discovered by the monitoring team or by the post race weight checks. So these incidents are usually down to a mistake in the teams calculations rather than a deliberate attempt to gain an advantage. Throughout F1 teams will attempt to push the limits all the time, this leads to very fine margins. Occasionally they get it wrong and and pay the price.
As to why the FIA don't weigh the cars directly before the race, that is not a question I can answer, but the onus is on all competitors to ensure their cars meet the legal requirements laid down by the FIA at all times during an event.
With regards to the advantage of being underweight by 1.5kg, I explained in my previous answer that if this was down to tyre degradation then the advantage will be a linear equation in line with the linear degradation of the tyre as it wears down. If however the underweight issue was a constant, for example the car was underweight from the start of the race, then per lap the advantage would be roughly 0.04s per lap, over the total race distance that advantage would equate to roughly 1.76 seconds at the end of the race.
This is how you loose Max as a driver , shame on you mercedes.
The public know who won race the fia here we go again just look what went on with mclaren last weekend this sport is screwwwed
@@stephenoliver1437 yeah it was Hamilton I’ve seen the official results
What do you think the FIA should’ve done when they found the car breaking a key rule?
The FIA didn't tell Mclaren to gift wrap that win for Piastri. The Mclaren geniuses came up with that all on their own.
Yes, Lewis and his legal car won the race!
Did you see Tontos face, when GR won?????? Blank as a sheet of paper so, WHY??? Anyways, I'v had enough of F1, the yanks spoil all sports so, after many decades', of watching this crap, and with the new / more rules coming in 2025... I'll never watch another 'race!' ALSO the farce where Oscar won... really, this isn't racing, anymore! F1? RIP!!!
Also Hamilton whining about his strategy, purely based on getting beaten by George, not appreciating it was the one that kept him ahead of McLaren and ultimately did beat George, so I bet he changes his mind.
You’ll have seen this stuff happening for decades then, why the sudden decision to stop watching now?
Im sorry, how have "the yanks" ruined F1? Bernie won't even let Michael Andretti field a team, so how, exactly, did "the yanks" spoil F1?
Merc took a gamble simple as that iff he come in the pits he would have saved petrol 70 mph in 70 mph out plus standing still ..Work it out not brain science they thought they could if got away with it ..gamble didn't work out for Russell unfortunately then come no we're
The 798kg limit is a dry weight limit you doughnut. The cars are drained of fuel to be weighed.
Shame on you Mercedes. Shame on you!
George was the winner and his team lost the race.
Could being 1.5Kg underweight have played a part in that? 🤔 Asking for a friend.
@@southpawjinx1 I was expecting Lewis to overtake Russell and win
Erm…😂
@@southpawjinx1 With 1.5Kg extra added to the car, Lewis would’ve caught George three laps earlier. Lewis tried to overtake George for the final three laps, and he never got close to completing the overtake. Lewis never got closer than .200 seconds to George. Track position was key. Do you really think Lewis would’ve been able to overtake George with three extra laps, when he never got closer than .200 seconds to George? It probably wouldn’t have made a difference…
@@Real_ghostboi yeah you’re probably right. I can’t see how being 1.5kg underweight for the eternity of a 44 lap Grand Prix totalling 191.49 miles would have had any bearing on the result of a race that Russell won by 0.526 of a second.
Like you said it probably didn’t make a difference.
Car should be weighed with a dummy set of wheels to stop this picking up marbles rubbish.
That’s only done when they finish on wet tyres.
The pickup is to try to make sure there’s no weight issues, but as they should be over the minimum weight at all times, it shouldn’t make a difference. All the other cars were fine.
giving danny ric, checos seat will be rewarding his mediocrizy!
i'd rather have yuki!
How’s he been mediocre? He has been flogging yuki last month or so.
@@Chris-sf2cp so a good performance per season, makes him worthy?
lets ignore the other 20 races yuki has wiped the floor with him 😂
@@CarimboHanky 20?
@@Chris-sf2cp i think with 1 or 2 exceptions, yuki had ourscored or finished in a better position in like 2 occations
@@CarimboHanky nope, you are complaining wrong, even so, the races that yuki has beaten him daniel has been on the back end of very poor strategy for races and qualifying. Thats facts and reality. There is a reason why yuki has been better it’s because of daniel Riccardo influence
He could have drove one more round to celebrate and pick up more debris from the road. Easily 1.5 kg.
Not after this race due to the length of the track.
Merc try to cheating… nice try 👍
Anyone notice toto didn't look happy when Russell won
Mercedes cheating again. What a surprise they should be kicked out of F1
I wish that the would punish Redbull for cheating
What happened? Is they got caught cheating