Viper Rotation Example - Annotated | Dawntrail | FFXIV
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- čas přidán 21. 07. 2024
- Here's a visual example of a 10 minute rotation for Viper with annotations to help explain the thought process.
Each 2 minute window is chaptered for you to reference. Every window will look different from the previous.
This rotation will change from fight to fight, but this standard rotation is enough to practice to get the flow of the job down. Let me know if you have any questions.
The gear and stats used in this video can be found in this gearset:
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Chapters:
Intro | 0:00
Opener | 0:05
2-4 Minute | 1:46
4-6 Minute | 4:41
6-8 Minute | 6:42
8min - END | 8:42
Summary | 10:59
Outro | 11:38
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I would love to see a video where you go over your Viper UI and the placements of things. I like it a lot. :)
yo im a reaper main, but just ran with a viper main and we were grinding the last three dungeons of the expansion for some tome/690 accessory farming. bruh, viper just looks so stylish. the dungeons go so fast.
Reaper LB3 still puts others to shame, tho ;o
@@Necrostrike indeed! ninja is a close 2nd
@@sc5the Yup, also so good. Ninja also got amazingly cool new animations to match!
Great vid, I had a question about dreadwinders and uncoiled fury. I know uncoiled fury is to be used during active downtime. But what about if in a perfect world there was full uptime? Do you spend all your stacks before serpent’s ire reaches 15 seconds cooldown? That’s the one part that confuses me. The reason I mention dreadwinder as well is because it has similar long recast time that can throw off gcd timings. I’m wondering how to go about this when aligning burst windows. Thanks for the help
Good question! Yes, in full uptime you'll want to spend all of your Uncoiled Furies every 2 minutes, since combined with the oGCDs it's 900 potency.
With Dreadwinder and Serpent's Ire you generate 4 coils every 2 minutes so ideally you'd spend 4 every 2 minutes (the exception being between the 6-8min window) But you can move these around for alignment or downtime or whatever - it's extremely versatile (and my favorite ability in the game).
You can spend these whenever is most convienient in your rotation - as long is it won't cause you to drop any of your buffs/debuff. Make sure those are refreshed first.
Biggest thing is to not overcap your Rattling Coils because each one lost is 900 potency lost.
@@VerraXIV gotcha, I recall you mentioning that in your other vids, just wanted to make sure I wasn’t overthinking it, which I was lmao. Good to know they’re pretty versatile and don’t have much thought other than to use them before we generate more, besides the one exception. I’ve almost got my 10 minute down I just needed those small details so thank you so much for the quick reply!
What are your thoughts/predictions on the Viper section that was outlined in the statement from Yoshi P earlier today
@@SevoraLF :sadgies:
I love how it plays now but I can understand the criticism that's leading to these changes. I'm gonna hold off on any big opinions until the changes are live though.
Going off what it said I'm predicting it'll be easier to play, especially for those with low ping that can't handle the busyness of the job. It'll be good changes in the long run and for the health of the game overall methinks
@@VerraXIV I think they will just remove the positionals for the 2 gcd you hit after dreadwinder
@@SevoraLF Could definitely see that. They also might cut the dual wield finishers down to 1 for each side/positional. I think the Flanksbane/Flanksting is a bit confusing for people even though there's no difference
@@VerraXIV I hope it's not that.
@@xRadiantOne agreed
i got 3 questions if you dont mind asking cuz i need more clarification if thats okay ;-;
1) do i use 1 reawaken every odd min and 2 reawakens every even minute? so we dont overcap?
2) Is the double reawaken phase only during 2min and 8min?
3) so do i not use pot during my opener? since you said your saving it for 2min and 8min windows
im sorry im tryna make sure i understand when and how to use things optimally.
1) Yes, but because of the resource generation, you'll likely have 2 reawakens at 7-min which is the only odd minute that has 2
2) Double reawaken is during any 2 min after opener
3) It really depends on the boss kill time and specific boss fights, but ideally that would be best because of double reawaken
Pretty much what leemontime said
We do the double reawakens every 2 minutes because it's our hardest hitting abilities to put into raid buffs.
The potion also is fight specific - depends on how long the fight is and how many you could fit in. Using it at the 2 and 8 minute puts more overall potency into the pot windows because of Double Reawaken - something we physically can't do in the opener. But if the fight lasts under 8 minutes, it would be better to use it in the opener and at the 6 minute instead and use it just after the first Dreadwinder
if you have any more questions don't hesitate to ask :)
I’m having a hard time following what’s happening here, but for some reason your videos make me want to really study viper and get good at the job
Practice is the best teacher! Start by getting the basic dual wield combos under muscle memory, then start throwing some more stuff in once you get more comfy. This job really starts to make sense once you play it a bit. Keep at it! And if you have questions feel free to reply here or do a new comment on other videos.
In one of your previous videos you mentioned using Dreadwinder as a single target opener instead of a dual wield combo, why the change?
@gearsofwar07 delaying it lines up more hard hitting abilities under raid buffs, and rushing haste buff first makes those gcd's faster to get the damage out faster. it was a tentative opener when the Job Action trailer came out.
It also helps our rotation line up better in the long run.
there will be uses for it still in some situations but delaying it ends up doing more damage
I honestly was hardly interested in vpr, but this job is so much fun. I mainly played blm and pld before so I was looking at pct, but ive been playing vpr instead lol
Are you a vpr mentor on The Balance Discord? Because this is really good and helpful
Thank you! I'm not, but Tor, Akashi, Rhy and the others have been an invaluable help with their resources and answering questions. They're definitely the primary reputable source for my videos
How do you know if serpents ire will land on a dual blade gcd that has a mandatory double weave? (i.e. 4 minute burst). How can I know ahead of time so I can hold my rattling coil? Or is this just something you know ahead of time knowing your own sks and assuming full uptime
For me it came with a lot of practice and noticing it consistently became a problem at specific timings when following full uptime priority.
Holding a Coil isn't the only way to get around these hurdles, I just found it to be the easiest since it doesn't risk dropping buffs/debuffs. Viper is insanely customizable so you can experiement with what works best for you as long as it works (don't drop buffs/debuff/overcap).
And timings will change at different skill speeds, so it'll be something to map out with practice or spreadsheeting beforehand if you wanna optimize.
If you wanna experiment yourself, this spreadsheet has been a huge tool I use: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18haZwiTdqaNaKK3P6_n_i7uFp10c-cDT696owUaETPc/edit?gid=1149453378#gid=1149453378
Hit File > Make a Copy, then in the stat box at the top of the spreadsheet you can add sks to get the GCD you want.
Great question, I yapped a bit so let me know if I need to clarify
At the end of the day, drifting Serpent's Ire by 1 GCD isn't the end of the world. If you find yourself in that situation you can pop Double Reawaken immediately after pressing Ire to stay in line with raid buffs instead of the 1 dual wield GCD buffer. Just remember that timing will carry over for the rest of the fight.
@@VerraXIV Thanks for taking the time to respond! I really appreciate it. Also, great video btw, the annotations were really good for me (and probably many others too!) to understand the thought process :D
Why don't you just start with Dreadwinder? Why don't you just go Dreadwinder, Serpent's Ire, Swiftskin's coil? You have the same effect (speed buff) with 2 less skills.
What's the thinking behind starting with Dread Fangs, Serpent's Ire and Swiftskin's Sting?
Is the answer as simple as "to line up with party buffs" or something like that or is it more in depth?
Yep, it's exactly that. Starting Dread Fangs - Swiftskin Sting - Dreadwinder puts the 850p Hunter's/Swiftskin's Coil under raid buffs and increases those gcd speeds for better buff+pot alignment
It's also more efficient Noxious Gnash application since you're losing the 10% damage debuff on 140p rather than 450p
@@VerraXIV Thank you
I also main reaper.
“Avoid using Dreadwinder 15 seconds before Serpent’s Ire.”
I tried to figure out why on my own, but I’m not comprehending. Can you explain?
Sure! It's the easiest way to avoid dropping your buffs (haste/dmg + finisher) going into Double Reawaken since it takes ~22.44s to complete. Dreadwinder combo takes an additional ~7.65s, and has no available weave slots so that pushes you over 30s. So youu have about 10s to refresh both buffs and finisher which is doable but tight.
You can definitely use it within that 15s window, but before you do make sure it won't cause you to drop buffs after your burst window or cause you to clip/drift Serpent's Ire
@@VerraXIV Yeah I saw the explanation in the video as soon as I posted the comment lol. Thanks for responding :-)
@@VerraXIV I still dont get the dropping ur buffs part, wouldnt it be better to use it as late as possible so both ur buffs have a longer uptime after double reawaken is done? sorry for the dumb question
@@nebulas420 Not dumb! It'll be fine for your damage and haste buff sure, but it puts your combo finisher buff in a bad place depending on where you are in your dual wield combo. (apologies for the light novel)
For example, if you complete a dual wield combo, then Dreadwinder with Ire coming off cooldown within that Dreadwinder combo, you'll be forced to triple weave Ire somewhere in there to stay aligned with buffs. If you weave it during Dreadwinder then you'll be late.
Then look at timing. A full twinblade combo takes about ~7.65s to complete. Double Reawaken takes about 22.44s so you're at about ~30s since your last dual wield finisher. If you rush a dual wield combo, you'll refresh it with about ~4s left. So doable.
But you won't always go into burst windows ending on a dual wield combo on its finisher. Sometimes you go in on the starter or buffing gcd. So if you do that, then you'll drop your combo and lose damage, and it would have been over 40s since your last dual wield finisher, so you lose the buff.
And all of this isn't factoring potential downtime or Uncoiled Fury usage, which will push these timers back by ~3s for each use.
So you can absolutely use Dreadwinder before burst if you know you won't drop anything or misalign, but you're making it infinitely harder on yourself to pull it off rather than just use Dreadwinder AFTER Double Reawaken to quickly refresh those buffs. This will also give you a chance to complete or extend an oustanding dual wield combo so you won't drop the finisher buff.
Hope that make sense and sorry for the wall of text. Let me know if I need to clarify something
@@VerraXIV I understand now, thanks for the explanation. Cheers!
The fact that your dual wield buttons are reversed to your vipersight light up bothers me greatly
>:)
I wish I could play like this. My ping is so high I clip almost everything...
Keep an eye out for the updates they make to the job next week and on the 30th. They might make it easier to play on high ping