In Alice's defense, Wilhelm Scream followed by spooky laugh over image of fireball is a more fitting news intro than any musical sting nonsense that's ever been done.
@@slaughterround643 It's ironic that the news tries to appear like it's truthful but hard up-front accounting would be discarded as sensationalism. We live in an era where propaganda, yellow journalism and fluff is the strongest it's ever been in representation.
Today our saftey 3rd is from a mime. “Standard MSHA requires several air holes drilled in the top of our invisible box, and for our invisible rope to be sight checked by our union rep for frays, who apparently found several issues the morning of the incident. Sadly French was prohibited from mentioning them ... due to being a mime, he was leaning on an invisible ledge when everything went to hell. Unable to scream, he was seen to place one hand on his cheek and make an exaggerated surprised face as his co workers silently burst into flames.”
No mention of the railroads engineer ‘killing himself’ after the accident, in such a manner that the police twice decided was murder but didn’t really do anything about it.
That poor guy. It reminds me of this question on the P.E. Exam: "Your client wants to do a thing that you think is unsafe in your engineering judgement. Do you: A) Go along with it. B) Write a letter expressing that you don't approve and then go along with it. C) Quit. D) Fight it tooth and nail, testify in a public hearing after your judgement is proved right, and then be murdered."
The part where someone speaks up about safety and is fired for not going with the client's vision brought me all the way back to the Sampoong Department Store episode
he "killed himself" mysteriously shortly after being fired, which the police decreed (probably correctly) that it was murder but decided to do nothing source: another youtube comment (what do you want from me?)
“you can just adjust the parameters until it looks like it's working well then you build it in real life and it’s shit.” there’s my physics phd thesis in a nutshell
Bridge disasters: whenever you think we're done with one, two more even deadlier ones appear. Also appreciate the recurring confirmation that Alice wants rigid bridges no matter what her friends, science or the world says.
@@cheese_priest May I recommend the Tay Bridge Disaster? They didn't quite resort to orphan bones and mortadella but the foundry did plug voids in the castings with a mixture of beeswax and iron filings... 🙄
@@avialexander Big time. IMO the Tay Bridge Disaster was caused less by greed (though I'd say that definitely contributed to the foundry cutting corners) than the chief engineer on the project (Boucher?) being close to retirement and not keeping as close an eye on things as he should have done. In the end, his laxness ending up shooting what was up till then a fairly illustrious career in the balls. He could have retired one of the most capable engineers of his generation; instead, his reputation was destroyed & he died not long after. Moral: never half-ass a job
They didn't get moondust in their suit joints and get stuck. Seriously, that might be fatal. That was a lot of hard work and a little luck, no deaths up there.
I blame The disappearance of newsboys for the loss of really cool names for disasters no one needs to try and sell newspapers by describing normal ass disasters like their catastrophes.
On the shinkanzen topic, I'm doing a co-op for the north american branch of a japanese company. Last month they had cultural training thing, which lead to on guy with a Georgian accent explaining to another guy what senpai means and how to use it. That was a bizarre conversation to overhear.
Parrots can fukkin MOOOVE man... you have no idea. They're no white-throat needletails but both parrots and parakeets can do 20 to 30mph. The trick here is a parakeet has far more maneuvering room in a mine than a parrot. The parrot has better lung capacity and is more resilient to wet-gas than the parakeet tho. An angered parrot can do about 36mph.
That's it. I'm sick of all this “Elon Musk Huperloop Bad” bullshit that's going on in WTYP community right now. Hyper loops deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that. I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine hyperloop in South Africa for 2,400,000 Krugerrands (that's about 20,000 BTC) and have been commuting with it for almost 2 years now. I can even haul slabs of solid steel with my hyperloop. South African engineers spend years working on a single hyperloop and render it in AutoCAD up to a million times to produce the finest transport networks known to mankind. Hyperloops are thrice as fast as high speed rail and thrice as cool for that matter too. Anything a train can haul, a hyperloop can haul better. I'm pretty sure a hyperloop could haul a full coal train over the Horseshoe Curve and not even throw a rod. Ever wonder why other countries never bothered conquering South Africa? That's right, they were too scared to face the brilliant engineering of the South Africans and their mastery of logistics. Even in World War II, German bombers targeted the hyperloops first because their throughput was feared and respected. So what am I saying? Hyperloops are simply the best mode of transit that the world has ever seen, and thus, require more respect on this podcast.
i appreciate how the slide at 1:17:00 appears to be a photo of print of a scan of what may have originally been a newspaper clipping, and appears to have been wholey performed with the skill and equipment my public school teachers had available to them for providing us printed worksheets
When I take the Lake Shore Limited on my travels between Chicago and Boston and wake up for breakfast, I make special note of when we pass through Ashtabula, over that same river, smoothly and without any notice at nearly 80 mph. It’s odd to think of the level of tragedy that happened there, and to just ride through the same place seamlessly in the 21st century.
In Australia we still have gauge resentment because we still don't have standard gauge between states, or between city and country railways in some of our states
Time for an "ackshually" again: The gauge difference between Finland and Russia is because "Finnish gauge" is the original Russian imperial gauge, as Finland used to be part of the empire when they were building the railroads. So if anything, the Russians punished finns pre-emptively for shelling their border* by mandating imperial gauge and then re-defining Soviet gauge as 1520mm out of spite. Quite an impressive level of forethought! *: For anyone who doesn't know finno-russian history, this is a joke.
Ackhtually: 1524 vs. 1520 mm is the same deal as with some standard gauge 1435 mm lines which are actually 1432 mm or something similar. This is to reduce hunting oscillation. For whatever reason the soviets mandated 1520 as an empire wide standard for all new track some time after the wars. The gauge in Helsinki metro is defined exactly 1521.5 mm, for similar reasons. edit: The express trains between Helsinki and St. Petersburg ("Allegro") have a custom wheel profile to make as optimal as possible running but no extra wide wheel treads. The trains that go all the way to Moscow ("Tolstoy") use standard Russian rolling stock.
@@Eeroke Yes, and 1432 mm was a very stupid idea by someone with no clue about actual wheel dynamics, with massive consequences for decades: rather than reduce the amplitude of hunting oscillation, what you achieve instead is to increase the likelihood of unstable running (when any minor disturbance is amplified into a pronounced large-amplitude hunting oscillation). To correct this monumental mistake, most higher-speed trains in Europe were fitted with wheels with reduced tread width for the last 30 years. I think this idea originated in then West Germany, where they stopped building 1432 mm tracks at the end of the 1980s, and have basically replaced all such track with 1435 mm since. But some countries where stupid infrastructure managers and even more stupid legislators followed the West German lead still have mainline sections with legacy tracks yet to be replaced with that reduced gauge. Realising how the gauge can even reduce with rail wear on track sections with certain geometry, now some countries like Austria even prescribe that new track be laid at 1437 mm in those kinds of track sections. (EDIT: A meta-comment to explain the undertones for the uninitiated: even though I think it is a very bad idea at the core of European rail privatisation to separate infrastructure managers and train operations, among railway engineers, there is a much older, very pronounced conflict between track specialists and vehicle specialists. As a member of the second group, my impression is that most older specialists of the first group are stuck with a static or quasi-static view of wheel-rail interaction, and that's what led to mistakes like the 1432 mm thing.)
@@Daneelro - Standard gauge was set by the ruts in the dirt roads, made from cart & wagon traffic, during the centuries. Ultimately goes back to Roman chariot width, due to the width of two horses asses. 4'8.5" = 1435mm. Keep it in metric, 'cause it came from Europe.
Just looked up “the Great Railroad War,” insane to me that the Pittsburgh papers referred to the initial events as “possibly the beginning of a great Civil War” when reconstruction was just ending
I'm reading this before listening so now I'm imagining somebody seeing a fire and vowing to build interstellar superstructures that just put out fires.
@@icyjiub2228 TL:DR Formula 1 recently introduced new safety device called the Halo which some drivers (including Romain Grosjean) didn't want but now Grosjean has had a horrific crash which should have killed him on impact and cremated his remains in less than a minute but instead he walked away unscathed cos of the Halo and he has admitted "ok yeah these are good i was wrong"
@@Bakamoichigei i winced when i watched it, despite knowing he was fine. It just *looks* like it's unsurvivable and until not long ago it was unsurvivable
@David Fakename not even the fire, more the part where he would have been *ahem* FUCKING DECAPITATED without it. Pre halo, piercing the armco barrier like that is 99% fatal
I was thinking about getting mad about the slides for the podcast, but really it's just a way to punish people who drive and try to listen to the podcast. And you did warn every car driver that you don't approve of us.
Safety 3rd reminded me of an incident that happened at a former job. One of my coworkers came across another employee having a medical emergency on the shop floor. He immediately called 911, directly the ambulance to them and they were taken to the hospital. They ended up being fine, partially because they were found quickly. The next day, the coworker who called 911 was called to the plant managers office where he was reprimanded for not asking permission to call 911.
@@antonievandermeer34 I've just finished rolling a joint, will make pasta, smoke, and then eat while hearing about how some people died in horrific circumstances
I used to write the vehicle AI for Carmageddon and hats off to Elon Musk, that's an elaborate but impressive system for wantonly mowing down pedestrians.
I watched the Vegas Loop simulation. Twelve people in each sedan. Cars literally driving thru each other. Cars driving off the roadway. Even the SIMULATION is a nightmare.
I feel like I'm suffering some sysyphean curse where whenever in a youtube video someone mentions "linking something in the description" it Absolutely Never Is In The Description (12:20)
Not to be oblivious, but I'd assume since they said "if you're listening audio only, they're in the description" that means the slides are in the description on other sites, wherever they host audio-only podcasts. This is my guess because I'll be amazed if people can't find the slides on CZcams, I'm not sure how you fuck that up.
this episode reminded me, I am living next to the place, were a train crashed in 1882 - the train crash that killed the most people (69) within the first 100 years of railroad history in Germany. Apperently it was a combination of old tracks and not breaking enough downhill. Of the 5 guys working the breaks, 2 were selling train tickets, one was busy teaching a new guy and the other two guys didn't really know the route. The crash also destroyed the telegraph lines, so it took 2 hours to tell the trainstation 5 km away about the crash. I only found out about it, because I found a marker on google maps for the cross that is placed there. Naturally I wanted to know, what was the train accident with more deaths - turns out the 22.12.1939 really sucked, when it comes to German railroad history: 2 completely seperate crashes happend - one not too far away from Berlin, one near the Swiss border, the first killing at least 186 the second killed 100. In both cases the visibility was poor and they were using less lights, because for some reason the Germans in 1939 thought, other nations might not like them. Also timetables were weird because there is war and also Christmas. I also looked at a list of deadly train accidents and there is a pattern - war seems to be bad for trains
I live in Ashtabula and I have been waiting for you people to do an episode on this. There is also another train disaster in the same county this time in Conneaut where 4 train crashed into each other
You know, a bridge like this is one of those rare situations where infrastructure sabotage is the ethical thing to do: knock down the shitty bridge when there's nothing about to go over it, force them to rebuild it (and less shitty this time).
1:37:52 "We've investigated ourselves and found no evidence of wrongdoing" love it when that happens Also I love them saying, "maybe a tornado hit it," like "a wizard did it, I don't have to explain it!"
You guys should fo an episode on the panjamdrum a rocket wheel that was designed to clear fortifications before beach landing assaults by the British in ww2
34:14 Alice got this slightly wrong, it was Lord Mackay who was thrown out of the Wee Frees (he was thrown out for attending a catholic funeral) , he is a tory lord. What's funnier, in transport terms, about the Wee Free's (at least in Lewis) is how they outright refused work on the sabbath, so when one ferry required work for it to be operational for the next day (a monday) the crew had to sail out to sea to work on its bow ramp. They also once protested a sunday ferry and were outnumbered by a pro ferry protest.
first lesson of statics in trade school was just 'wood is for compression, metal is for tension, if you get it wrong you die' basically, so. i guess i owe some thanks to this one for making my education a bit better
I introduce you to the the Well There´s Your Problem Drinking Game: -Take one shot whenever Liam mentions the jews -Take a shot whenever Ross is the only one not laughing -Take two shots whenever Alice mentions Krushchokvas This last one is if you want to die of alcohol poisoning; - Take a shot whenever Liam has bad mic quality
To balance things out, take a chug of water whenever Roz says "right" or "yes". ...because taking that many shots of booze will DEFINITELY kill you. 🍷🍍
I love coming back to these old episodes when Liam sounds like he’s butting in to the conversation from two tables over. Screw the audiophiles. It gives character!
I love the format of the show- Justin says a few words/asks a question and then Alice and Liam both talk loudly at the same time rendering everything intelligible- GOLD.
38:35 The Finnish gauge was the same as Imperial Russian gauge because the first railroads in Finland were built while Finland was under Russian rule in the late 1800s. In the 1950s the Soviet Union changed their gauge from 1524mm to 1520mm for easier measurements in metric while Finland retained 1524mm. Incidentally the reason the Imperial Russian gauge was 1524mm or 5ft is because the Moscow--St Petersburg railroad was built while Russia and England were at war, so they had to get Confederate track builders from America to do it, and the gauge in use in the Confederacy at the time was 5ft.
ooh the Helsinki-St. Petersburg trains use a compromise system because the gauges are really really similar as they originated as the same 5ft Russian gauge !! the reason theres the nominal difference is because the soviet union redefined its rail gauge in the 60s to like 4ft 11 ²⁷/³² or something like that because??? the number looks better in metric i guess ? (1524mm vs 1520mm)
and the reason finland uses the original russian gauge is because a large part of our railway network was built while we were still a part of the Russian Empire !!
The Wee Free Church are a bit mental, a friend of mine moved to a island where *everyone* was a member, and within 10 minutes of hanging her washing out on a Sunday she had a wee wummin (a small angry Scottish lady!) hammering on her door, informing her of the locals attitudes to work on Sunday.... even including housework She bought a tumble dryer after that. Plus it helped her stop losing so much washing, hanging your clothes outside when living on a Scottish island can be a bit of a lottery!
"Ashtabula Horror" sounds like the rampage of some sort of freakish monster created from industrial waste and Gilded Age cruelty, like a C.H.U.D. or a Toxic Avenger.
The Finnish and Russian gauges differ by an entire 4 mm (1524 mm and 1520 mm). The reason is that the Finnish railroads were built with Russian gauge when it was the Russian Empire, but later the Soviet Union decided "no, this needs to be 4 mm narrower than it is now" and changed all their railways. Finland was never in the Soviet Union so we were left with the old Russian gauge. In reality, 4 mm is such a small difference you can just run Finnish and Russian cars without problems on both the systems (and Finnish and Russian gauge cars regularly run across the border on both the systems). The Allegro train is just made for the compromise gauge (1522 mm) for entirely symbolic reasons.
I'll never get tired of Alice trying to do a bit and roz saying that actually happened
Reality: you can't just make this shit up.
Same with trashfuture
There is no idea too dumb that an engineer hasn't tried it.
Nice change of pace from people saying she's doing a bit when she isn't
Laything it into the past
Alice: [makes a joke]
Roz: We'll get to that
forever and ever amen
Two years later and it's still happening XD
In Alice's defense, Wilhelm Scream followed by spooky laugh over image of fireball is a more fitting news intro than any musical sting nonsense that's ever been done.
I'm pretty sure Romain was Wilhelm Screaming pretty hard
why do news stations sound like that? why can't bbc news not start with people screaming? (and why can't they not be fash?)
@@slaughterround643 It's ironic that the news tries to appear like it's truthful but hard up-front accounting would be discarded as sensationalism. We live in an era where propaganda, yellow journalism and fluff is the strongest it's ever been in representation.
Still not as funny as STEAMED HAMS.
@@peppermintpig974the ghost of Hearst lingers ever over the modern media.
Love to have a historical event called “The [Location] Horror” those never end badly
Looking at you, Dunwich.
i dunno, "The Clevehand Horror" just sounds like a sex act gone rogue.
@@ThePadawan3 if it's in Cleveland that sex act goes badly too
@@hunterra217 and somehow it also manages to set the river on fire again.
Look up the prequel to this story, the Angola Horror. Also related to compromise cars mentioned in this episode.
Today our saftey 3rd is from a mime. “Standard MSHA requires several air holes drilled in the top of our invisible box, and for our invisible rope to be sight checked by our union rep for frays, who apparently found several issues the morning of the incident. Sadly French was prohibited from mentioning them ... due to being a mime, he was leaning on an invisible ledge when everything went to hell. Unable to scream, he was seen to place one hand on his cheek and make an exaggerated surprised face as his co workers silently burst into flames.”
This is the best comment I have ever read. ❤️🍍
Resident of Ashtabula county here: they have a hospital now. You don't want to go there.
Ahhhh ACMC, where the you go to die.... painfully
Former resident. Yup.
I'm going to be brutally honest: You don't want to go to the hospital unless your life depends on it. Or, maybe someone else's.
I've heard it referred to as "well, technically a hospital"
It's not thhhhhaaaatttt bad
Not a cell phone in sight, just people living in the moment.
If this isn't satire I'm taking back my like and fuck you.
@@PanAndScanBuddy
Same.
Living is a relative term
Except the people dying in the moment.
They should release a bonus episode that’s them just screaming as more Musk projects appear on the screen
I'd watch that on a loop
@@phathumdeep ha ha haaa, a loop.
thats basically what i have no mouth and i must scream would be if it were the WTYP cast
now i want a pic of Shodan except it's elon musk's face, overlooking the cast of WTYP wailing in agony
I would pay to see that
No mention of the railroads engineer ‘killing himself’ after the accident, in such a manner that the police twice decided was murder but didn’t really do anything about it.
That poor guy. It reminds me of this question on the P.E. Exam:
"Your client wants to do a thing that you think is unsafe in your engineering judgement. Do you:
A) Go along with it.
B) Write a letter expressing that you don't approve and then go along with it.
C) Quit.
D) Fight it tooth and nail, testify in a public hearing after your judgement is proved right, and then be murdered."
@@TemplarOnHigh what is the right answer
@@AnAngryMarauder quit
@@maean7410 I know i was joking
You mean the bridge designer?
The part where someone speaks up about safety and is fired for not going with the client's vision brought me all the way back to the Sampoong Department Store episode
he "killed himself" mysteriously shortly after being fired, which the police decreed (probably correctly) that it was murder but decided to do nothing
source: another youtube comment (what do you want from me?)
@@slaughterround643 if it makes you feel better the source for my youtube comment is a wikipedia article
The more things change...
when your parents name you "Amasa Stone" and you build things out of steel: "It's not a transitory juncture, Mother!"
We need more people with punny names nowadays.
“you can just adjust the parameters until it looks like it's working well then you build it in real life and it’s shit.”
there’s my physics phd thesis in a nutshell
This sounds like a lost lovecraft book title
If Lovecraft wrote it, half of the horror would be the presence of non-white people.
@Ouro Boros inadvertently making your players larp as the people who looted corpses in the actual disaster
@@lasschesteven good ole Hates Progress Lovecraft... I’d go by initials as well.
Not the first time Lovecraft has visited Ohio
Ohio is very much a machination of unfathomable cosmic horrors. Just look at Butter Jesus.
The joke of the day goes to Liam saying that a victorian analogue for an xbox is a "cursed locket." I nearly spat my tea.
Wait what does this mean?
Bridge disasters: whenever you think we're done with one, two more even deadlier ones appear. Also appreciate the recurring confirmation that Alice wants rigid bridges no matter what her friends, science or the world says.
Can't wait for the next bridge disaster where they calculated shear strength using cursed orphan bones and mortadella
@@cheese_priest May I recommend the Tay Bridge Disaster? They didn't quite resort to orphan bones and mortadella but the foundry did plug voids in the castings with a mixture of beeswax and iron filings... 🙄
@@KenKeenan1973 Just looked at the wikipedia article for that. Holy shit, what a motherlode of WTYP content
@@avialexander Big time. IMO the Tay Bridge Disaster was caused less by greed (though I'd say that definitely contributed to the foundry cutting corners) than the chief engineer on the project (Boucher?) being close to retirement and not keeping as close an eye on things as he should have done. In the end, his laxness ending up shooting what was up till then a fairly illustrious career in the balls. He could have retired one of the most capable engineers of his generation; instead, his reputation was destroyed & he died not long after. Moral: never half-ass a job
@@KenKeenan1973 Christ that's...creative to say the least
i like how every time Rocz says a date, you know The Bad Thing is finally happening
"Find anyone who loves anything as much as a Presbyterian congregation loves splitting." As someone raised Presbyterian I feel that in my soul.
14:02 Alice IS pretty and we like her, I'm glad we got this very important soundbite out of this episode
I know parasocial relationships are weird and all but I unironically stan for Alice.
Possibly the most relevant and critical thing covered on this podcast.
Car bad, train good, Alice pretty.
This is very correct
She's so cool, and i say this without the slightest trace of irony
To the best of my knowledge no one ever died on the moon. They've died getting there but the moon itself seems pretty safe.
They didn't get moondust in their suit joints and get stuck. Seriously, that might be fatal.
That was a lot of hard work and a little luck, no deaths up there.
Were those guys even actually trying to get there? I thought they were just testing the equipment.
Sure, the moon has no oxygen, but Buffalo has Bills Fans, so it's probably a wash.
"Every car is a railway gun" is just the guiding philosophy of any sensible factorio playthrough
One railroad car gets the gun, the other gets the ammunition
This sounds like a really metal lyric
@@bondfall0072 higihihigihiii
@@bondfall0072 higihihigihiiig
@@deeznoots6241 iigihiihigihihihihi
Bless Liam for being a Lighthouse of burning rage during these trying times.
"You're gonna like this one, Alice."
this is what we call /foreshadowing/
_high-strength_ foreshadowing
I blame The disappearance of newsboys for the loss of really cool names for disasters no one needs to try and sell newspapers by describing normal ass disasters like their catastrophes.
*they're
@@slaughterround643 the hero we needed.
@@frank6842 your welcome
What would we call 9/11?
@@slaughterround643 bruh
1:51:31 "replaced with a concrete arch bridge which still stands to this day"
Arches and Concrete, the Romans had this shit figured out.
I'm here for Liam's disgruntled noises opinion of MMA
On the shinkanzen topic, I'm doing a co-op for the north american branch of a japanese company. Last month they had cultural training thing, which lead to on guy with a Georgian accent explaining to another guy what senpai means and how to use it. That was a bizarre conversation to overhear.
Parrots can fukkin MOOOVE man... you have no idea. They're no white-throat needletails but both parrots and parakeets can do 20 to 30mph. The trick here is a parakeet has far more maneuvering room in a mine than a parrot. The parrot has better lung capacity and is more resilient to wet-gas than the parakeet tho. An angered parrot can do about 36mph.
I love how in the vissim picture you can see a pedestrian getting impaled on a hood ornament on crossing
That's it. I'm sick of all this “Elon Musk Huperloop Bad” bullshit that's going on in WTYP community right now. Hyper loops deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine hyperloop in South Africa for 2,400,000 Krugerrands (that's about 20,000 BTC) and have been commuting with it for almost 2 years now. I can even haul slabs of solid steel with my hyperloop.
South African engineers spend years working on a single hyperloop and render it in AutoCAD up to a million times to produce the finest transport networks known to mankind.
Hyperloops are thrice as fast as high speed rail and thrice as cool for that matter too. Anything a train can haul, a hyperloop can haul better. I'm pretty sure a hyperloop could haul a full coal train over the Horseshoe Curve and not even throw a rod.
Ever wonder why other countries never bothered conquering South Africa? That's right, they were too scared to face the brilliant engineering of the South Africans and their mastery of logistics. Even in World War II, German bombers targeted the hyperloops first because their throughput was feared and respected.
So what am I saying? Hyperloops are simply the best mode of transit that the world has ever seen, and thus, require more respect on this podcast.
It took me far too long to realize you were doing a bit. 😏
South African ingenuity will win overall
"They had us in the first half, not gonna lie"
I don't know whether or not I should be proud that I got this as soon as you reached the 'deserve much better than that' bit.
Top quality shitpost. +1
I cannot not hear his name as "A Massive Stone" every time.
His nephew, Apileh Slough, was a decent chap though. A real chip off the old block.
i appreciate how the slide at 1:17:00 appears to be a photo of print of a scan of what may have originally been a newspaper clipping, and appears to have been wholey performed with the skill and equipment my public school teachers had available to them for providing us printed worksheets
Ah- a tornado!? At this time of year? At this time of day? In this part of the country? Localized entirely within your bridge!? May I see it?
No
When I take the Lake Shore Limited on my travels between Chicago and Boston and wake up for breakfast, I make special note of when we pass through Ashtabula, over that same river, smoothly and without any notice at nearly 80 mph. It’s odd to think of the level of tragedy that happened there, and to just ride through the same place seamlessly in the 21st century.
"Always enough fish to go around" Horror. So, Liam's worst nightmare, then!
25:50 tfw Roz squiggles his john madden pen around and magically draws a treble clef like some drunken musical wizard
"Just let the fire burn out lads, there isn't enough human tallow inside the cars to keep it going!"
I can't believe his name was A Mass Of Stone
Nominative determinism
"Apparently nothing pleases the Almighty like the picturesque" - Mark Twain, on hearing of Amasa Stone's death
I love how this video has the Rock’s Great great grandfather ”A mass of Stone” Johnson
Gage resentment has to be the most 1850s feeling I have ever heard of.
Gauge*
You seen, when everyone isn't allowed to talk about slavery, they have to redirect their outrage to anything else.
In Australia we still have gauge resentment because we still don't have standard gauge between states, or between city and country railways in some of our states
@@laurentaylor3890 haha
Liam wants to rob a train? My great uncle literally stole a train to escape prison in Brazil. It was not his first escape.
I've always felt that Case Western Reserve University sounds like it was named after a wine.
Time for an "ackshually" again: The gauge difference between Finland and Russia is because "Finnish gauge" is the original Russian imperial gauge, as Finland used to be part of the empire when they were building the railroads. So if anything, the Russians punished finns pre-emptively for shelling their border* by mandating imperial gauge and then re-defining Soviet gauge as 1520mm out of spite. Quite an impressive level of forethought!
*: For anyone who doesn't know finno-russian history, this is a joke.
Ackhtually: 1524 vs. 1520 mm is the same deal as with some standard gauge 1435 mm lines which are actually 1432 mm or something similar. This is to reduce hunting oscillation. For whatever reason the soviets mandated 1520 as an empire wide standard for all new track some time after the wars.
The gauge in Helsinki metro is defined exactly 1521.5 mm, for similar reasons.
edit: The express trains between Helsinki and St. Petersburg ("Allegro") have a custom wheel profile to make as optimal as possible running but no extra wide wheel treads. The trains that go all the way to Moscow ("Tolstoy") use standard Russian rolling stock.
The game is chess, not checkers.
@@Eeroke Yes, and 1432 mm was a very stupid idea by someone with no clue about actual wheel dynamics, with massive consequences for decades: rather than reduce the amplitude of hunting oscillation, what you achieve instead is to increase the likelihood of unstable running (when any minor disturbance is amplified into a pronounced large-amplitude hunting oscillation). To correct this monumental mistake, most higher-speed trains in Europe were fitted with wheels with reduced tread width for the last 30 years.
I think this idea originated in then West Germany, where they stopped building 1432 mm tracks at the end of the 1980s, and have basically replaced all such track with 1435 mm since. But some countries where stupid infrastructure managers and even more stupid legislators followed the West German lead still have mainline sections with legacy tracks yet to be replaced with that reduced gauge. Realising how the gauge can even reduce with rail wear on track sections with certain geometry, now some countries like Austria even prescribe that new track be laid at 1437 mm in those kinds of track sections.
(EDIT: A meta-comment to explain the undertones for the uninitiated: even though I think it is a very bad idea at the core of European rail privatisation to separate infrastructure managers and train operations, among railway engineers, there is a much older, very pronounced conflict between track specialists and vehicle specialists. As a member of the second group, my impression is that most older specialists of the first group are stuck with a static or quasi-static view of wheel-rail interaction, and that's what led to mistakes like the 1432 mm thing.)
@@Daneelro - Standard gauge was set by the ruts in the dirt roads, made from cart & wagon traffic, during the centuries. Ultimately goes back to Roman chariot width, due to the width of two horses asses. 4'8.5" = 1435mm. Keep it in metric, 'cause it came from Europe.
@@michaelmoorrees3585 I don't think you understood what the whole discussion was about.
looking forward to the spin-off podcast, "You're Not So Wrong There"
A podcast about engineering miracles without slides
@@CaseyFoxiBoy a podcast where the hosts admit that no Trotskyist ever made any actual progress against fascism.
I'm here for Rocz's Chrome bookmarks. "7 Pasta Recipes You..." seems particularly intriguing.
“BestbVegan Gabagool”
Just looked up “the Great Railroad War,” insane to me that the Pittsburgh papers referred to the initial events as “possibly the beginning of a great Civil War” when reconstruction was just ending
that sounds like how newspapers today keep using pandemic for everything
Romain Grosjean was against the halo device when it was introduced. He is no longer against the halo device
I'm reading this before listening so now I'm imagining somebody seeing a fire and vowing to build interstellar superstructures that just put out fires.
@@icyjiub2228 TL:DR Formula 1 recently introduced new safety device called the Halo which some drivers (including Romain Grosjean) didn't want but now Grosjean has had a horrific crash which should have killed him on impact and cremated his remains in less than a minute but instead he walked away unscathed cos of the Halo and he has admitted "ok yeah these are good i was wrong"
@@OpreRoma I'd heard it was a "fiery crash which split the car in two" and I _still wasn't prepared_ for what I saw when I watched the race! 😬
@@Bakamoichigei i winced when i watched it, despite knowing he was fine. It just *looks* like it's unsurvivable and until not long ago it was unsurvivable
@David Fakename not even the fire, more the part where he would have been *ahem* FUCKING DECAPITATED without it. Pre halo, piercing the armco barrier like that is 99% fatal
I know Roz is young, but I still picture him as old. His voice fycks me up
he sounds like Dan Carlin from Hardcore History
Yeah, it's true. Roz sounds like he's 62 and doesn't remotely look it.
I always thought he was a grumpy tenured engineering professor, seeing his actual face broke me
@@uilsoum875 old soul
he's the youngest 50yo ex-engineer ever born in the 90s
Hopefully this episode features the triumphant return of our beloved Horse Viscera.
Not done yet, but I'm thinking no horse viscera. RIP horse viscera.
Our old friend
There was definitely a shout out at least
True
just head down to tesco
I was thinking about getting mad about the slides for the podcast, but really it's just a way to punish people who drive and try to listen to the podcast. And you did warn every car driver that you don't approve of us.
Sadly also punishes cyclists
@@superjoeyman1 and us hikers.
Train good, car bad (except Liam's GTI)
"We've been over this with horse viscera"
Sentences you don't hear often.
That intro where y'all push the button is so immersive
you're immersive
@@TheSuperCanucks awe thank you 😊
Safety 3rd reminded me of an incident that happened at a former job. One of my coworkers came across another employee having a medical emergency on the shop floor. He immediately called 911, directly the ambulance to them and they were taken to the hospital. They ended up being fine, partially because they were found quickly. The next day, the coworker who called 911 was called to the plant managers office where he was reprimanded for not asking permission to call 911.
I love how every bit in this podcast ends with "And that's exactly what they did".
Anyone else here follow along with the hosts by getting more and more intoxicated as they listen
Doing the revise being drunk and slowly become sober while watching feels weird like I beam alcohol to them.
@@antonievandermeer34 I've just finished rolling a joint, will make pasta, smoke, and then eat while hearing about how some people died in horrific circumstances
I watch these episodes whilst at work so of course.
@@RyanTennant future safety third participant 😛
As a recovering alcoholic, I bequeath all my mirror-drinking to whomever thinks they can handle it. 🍷🍍
The LVCC Loop simulation should be superimposed over Elon Musk's receding hairline. Have a crown of pods to mark his engineering achievements.
I used to write the vehicle AI for Carmageddon and hats off to Elon Musk, that's an elaborate but impressive system for wantonly mowing down pedestrians.
wow, what else did you work on?! What are you doing these days?! That's such a blast from the past!
I'm disappointed that this episode isn't about an eldritch invasion of our world that I hadn't heard about
Who needs a passport when you have a Pennsylvania Secret Service ID card.
"Always enough fish to go around". Sounds like Liam's idea of Hell.
Justin, just having licence.txt on your desktop isn't enough to activate windows.
plot twist: the Activate Windows is added in post
I watched the Vegas Loop simulation. Twelve people in each sedan. Cars literally driving thru each other. Cars driving off the roadway. Even the SIMULATION is a nightmare.
*To put things into prospective, the steel "I-Beam" was invented 6 years before this bridge was built.... *
I feel like I'm suffering some sysyphean curse where whenever in a youtube video someone mentions "linking something in the description" it Absolutely Never Is In The Description (12:20)
It's always in the podcast description, which is weird because that isn't where the slides are
"The slides are in the description you nimcompoots!"
Well that was a lie.
"I'll link the video in the description so you can see just how ludicrous this simulation is"
Well that was a lie.
Not to be oblivious, but I'd assume since they said "if you're listening audio only, they're in the description" that means the slides are in the description on other sites, wherever they host audio-only podcasts. This is my guess because I'll be amazed if people can't find the slides on CZcams, I'm not sure how you fuck that up.
Yeah, he said the slides are in the description for the people getting audio only, not on CZcams.
Also, that word is "nincompoops".
@@AGenericMoron they aren't 🤣
this episode reminded me, I am living next to the place, were a train crashed in 1882 - the train crash that killed the most people (69) within the first 100 years of railroad history in Germany. Apperently it was a combination of old tracks and not breaking enough downhill. Of the 5 guys working the breaks, 2 were selling train tickets, one was busy teaching a new guy and the other two guys didn't really know the route. The crash also destroyed the telegraph lines, so it took 2 hours to tell the trainstation 5 km away about the crash.
I only found out about it, because I found a marker on google maps for the cross that is placed there.
Naturally I wanted to know, what was the train accident with more deaths - turns out the 22.12.1939 really sucked, when it comes to German railroad history: 2 completely seperate crashes happend - one not too far away from Berlin, one near the Swiss border, the first killing at least 186 the second killed 100. In both cases the visibility was poor and they were using less lights, because for some reason the Germans in 1939 thought, other nations might not like them. Also timetables were weird because there is war and also Christmas.
I also looked at a list of deadly train accidents and there is a pattern - war seems to be bad for trains
TFW the Sampoong Department Store has historical precedence 🤦
Made me also think of the hotel walkway episode
@@prinzpac that was miscommunication and hubris, tho; not firing the people who say "You can't build the structure this way, it's unsafe."
@@scarylion1roar i was thinking about the t bars 😉
Have ya heard of Los Alfaques, Spain, where an overpressured overloaded tanker of liquid propylene with no safety valve went camping?
We had pictures of that in our chemistry book, and they still haunt me to this day
I live in Ashtabula and I have been waiting for you people to do an episode on this. There is also another train disaster in the same county this time in Conneaut where 4 train crashed into each other
What is this 4 train you speak of? 4 stacked trains? Amazing.
You know, a bridge like this is one of those rare situations where infrastructure sabotage is the ethical thing to do: knock down the shitty bridge when there's nothing about to go over it, force them to rebuild it (and less shitty this time).
I've ridden the Lakeshore over the new bridge several times. Thrilled to see the local horror on the show!
1:37:52 "We've investigated ourselves and found no evidence of wrongdoing"
love it when that happens
Also I love them saying, "maybe a tornado hit it," like "a wizard did it, I don't have to explain it!"
Liam, re: greatest gas station ever, you've clearly not yet been traumatized by the existence Buc-ee's. You're welcome.
There's still an elevator for trains in the London Underbrown. (six hundred years of horses...)
Had to pause my continuing education credits podcast to go to my continuing education credits zoom meeting.
I suddenly can't listen to Justin without hearing every single "right" he says
Or “YES!”
I just say "right" in response whenever he says "right", that makes it a lot less grating somehow.
You guys should fo an episode on the panjamdrum a rocket wheel that was designed to clear fortifications before beach landing assaults by the British in ww2
Now there's a name that rolls off the tongue, I kinda wanna see them cover it, it sounds absolutely insane.
@@dr.velious5411 ha it was
@@dr.velious5411 say pajandrum 10 times fast and you probably end up buying your tounge off
There’s something really special about the 19th century bridge disaster episodes.
34:14 Alice got this slightly wrong, it was Lord Mackay who was thrown out of the Wee Frees (he was thrown out for attending a catholic funeral) , he is a tory lord.
What's funnier, in transport terms, about the Wee Free's (at least in Lewis) is how they outright refused work on the sabbath, so when one ferry required work for it to be operational for the next day (a monday) the crew had to sail out to sea to work on its bow ramp.
They also once protested a sunday ferry and were outnumbered by a pro ferry protest.
Oh I forgot they also protested 50 Shades of Grey and were again mostly ignored.
He still is a Tory Lord, although now extremely old
Yeh, should have said “is”.
first lesson of statics in trade school was just 'wood is for compression, metal is for tension, if you get it wrong you die' basically, so. i guess i owe some thanks to this one for making my education a bit better
I like how there's a "you can just leave" in both the illustration of the main story and also the goddamn news.
Liam's mike should be turned up to max at all times, it really completes his presence on this podcast
I introduce you to the the Well There´s Your Problem Drinking Game:
-Take one shot whenever Liam mentions the jews
-Take a shot whenever Ross is the only one not laughing
-Take two shots whenever Alice mentions Krushchokvas
This last one is if you want to die of alcohol poisoning;
- Take a shot whenever Liam has bad mic quality
Pain. But maybe worth it?
Take one shot when Ross says "I was about to say.". That's the t-shirt I need.
To balance things out, take a chug of water whenever Roz says "right" or "yes".
...because taking that many shots of booze will DEFINITELY kill you. 🍷🍍
I love coming back to these old episodes when Liam sounds like he’s butting in to the conversation from two tables over.
Screw the audiophiles. It gives character!
16:13 Oh Alice, this is what most commercial pilots would do in the UK about 10 years a go. Join the RAF, get your license, then get a commercial job.
"I'm Sid Watkins and this is my Glen" I appreciated that joke a lot.
I love the format of the show- Justin says a few words/asks a question and then Alice and Liam both talk loudly at the same time rendering everything intelligible- GOLD.
Last time I was this early Joe Rogan was just a dude that watched men punch each other
Love to describe Joe Rogan doing anything as "sagely"
@@KickingJameoMC I don't know what Sagely means but I wholeheartedly endorse your comment
@@Randomstuffs261 Like a sage, obviously
38:35 The Finnish gauge was the same as Imperial Russian gauge because the first railroads in Finland were built while Finland was under Russian rule in the late 1800s. In the 1950s the Soviet Union changed their gauge from 1524mm to 1520mm for easier measurements in metric while Finland retained 1524mm. Incidentally the reason the Imperial Russian gauge was 1524mm or 5ft is because the Moscow--St Petersburg railroad was built while Russia and England were at war, so they had to get Confederate track builders from America to do it, and the gauge in use in the Confederacy at the time was 5ft.
ooh the Helsinki-St. Petersburg trains use a compromise system because the gauges are really really similar as they originated as the same 5ft Russian gauge !! the reason theres the nominal difference is because the soviet union redefined its rail gauge in the 60s to like 4ft 11 ²⁷/³² or something like that because??? the number looks better in metric i guess ? (1524mm vs 1520mm)
and the reason finland uses the original russian gauge is because a large part of our railway network was built while we were still a part of the Russian Empire !!
I think the collapse of the Arecibo observatory would be a good fit for this podcast
*Amasa Stone:*
"I am a genius!"
"Oh no!"
Eyyy I make-a da podcast
"Big Shim" is too good; it's like so perfect as a conspiracy and a pun.
Big fan of Alice having a fun zencaster name
The Wee Free Church are a bit mental, a friend of mine moved to a island where *everyone* was a member, and within 10 minutes of hanging her washing out on a Sunday she had a wee wummin (a small angry Scottish lady!) hammering on her door, informing her of the locals attitudes to work on Sunday.... even including housework
She bought a tumble dryer after that. Plus it helped her stop losing so much washing, hanging your clothes outside when living on a Scottish island can be a bit of a lottery!
I dunno Alice, I think the Wilhelm scream works pretty damn well for the news
"Ashtabula Horror" sounds like the rampage of some sort of freakish monster created from industrial waste and Gilded Age cruelty, like a C.H.U.D. or a Toxic Avenger.
I feel like the real horror here was just describing all the sketchy shit they did when building this goddamn bridge
The Finnish and Russian gauges differ by an entire 4 mm (1524 mm and 1520 mm). The reason is that the Finnish railroads were built with Russian gauge when it was the Russian Empire, but later the Soviet Union decided "no, this needs to be 4 mm narrower than it is now" and changed all their railways. Finland was never in the Soviet Union so we were left with the old Russian gauge.
In reality, 4 mm is such a small difference you can just run Finnish and Russian cars without problems on both the systems (and Finnish and Russian gauge cars regularly run across the border on both the systems). The Allegro train is just made for the compromise gauge (1522 mm) for entirely symbolic reasons.