Sabatons - Armor for the Foot

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  • čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
  • In the next video in the series we will discuss the armor for the foot, known as sabatons or sollerets. We will see how they function and how they interact with arming shoes.
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Komentáře • 194

  • @Poor_Wayfaring_Stranger
    @Poor_Wayfaring_Stranger Před 7 lety +134

    So I googled the band. Ended up here. Subbed.

  • @L.J.Kommer
    @L.J.Kommer Před 6 lety +129

    THEN THE WINGED HUSSARS A...
    Wait a second.

  • @shoother2257
    @shoother2257 Před 7 lety +133

    There is a power metal band named after these...

    • @cryo2156
      @cryo2156 Před 6 lety +4

      SHOoT hER that's what I thought of when I saw the title

    • @Anonymous_Eyeballs
      @Anonymous_Eyeballs Před 6 lety +12

      But oddly enough most of their songs are about WW2

    • @clitcrusader4897
      @clitcrusader4897 Před 6 lety +10

      Not "a power metal band" but "the definitive power metal band"

    • @clitcrusader4897
      @clitcrusader4897 Před 6 lety +2

      Also there is a band named after most things on earth, there is a (insert metal genre) band named after a specific ship from halo that I don't think was even mentioned in the games, shadow of intent.

    • @nadirjofas3140
      @nadirjofas3140 Před 5 lety +3

      @@clitcrusader4897 I couldn't find the band.

  • @meleesdebehourd6495
    @meleesdebehourd6495 Před 9 lety +132

    Nice FOOT-AGE.
    Well well well.

  • @Drayran
    @Drayran Před 9 lety +75

    1:12 These long tips on Gothic-style sabatons were an asthetic extra copying Reneissance shoes. They were removed before battles, duels or any kind of combat since they are totally impractical.
    Anyways great video!

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 9 lety +26

      +Drayran Yep, the ones with the ridiculously long toes were removable, like this extant example (s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/55/b6/ec/55b6ec70244da645810b2d4569579e77.jpg). I wish I did, but I don't have nearly enough time to go in to detail on the later armors as I'd like or these videos would be much longer than they already are. Interestingly though, while the fashionable wear of pointy toes on civil footwear came and went a few times during the Middle Ages, the most concentrated period of extravagantly pointed toes on shoes is centered around the late 14th century and is not contemporary with Gothic sabatons. I always found that kind of interesting because martial and civil fashion are almost always so closely intertwined.

    • @Drayran
      @Drayran Před 9 lety +9

      +Knyght Errant
      Ha, sorry for being that picky. It must be a real pain to prevent every possible comment like the one i wrote. But I thought I pointed this out real quick, since someone not to familiar with the topic could get a wrong idea.
      Yeah, it's always interesting how the degree of reception of the past and the specific period varry in certain periods. F.e. the reception of antiquity in armor design in the 15th century. In southern Germany armor became more slim and curvy to meme the ideal body. In Italy the overall concept of armor didn't change too much, but the design really evolved (f.e. the "alla antica" style).

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 9 lety +28

      +Drayran Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing your comment. I welcome comments like that to supplement my videos, because like I said I just can't get to everything. Please don't take it as me being offended. I appreciate your clarification, because you're absolutely right, in the absence of me saying something, people can very easily get the wrong idea.

    • @DrewsCoolStuff
      @DrewsCoolStuff Před 4 lety +1

      THANK YOU!

    • @-NGC-6302-
      @-NGC-6302- Před 3 lety

      I thought they were long so they would stay in stirrups better. Might be a misconception I learned as a kid.

  • @Tysto
    @Tysto Před 2 lety +7

    It's incredible to me that so little exists of armor from the Middle Ages. These were very expensive & prestigious possessions. It seems like they would have been proudly passed down thru the centuries intact.

  • @Anglo-Saxon9
    @Anglo-Saxon9 Před 6 lety +13

    I finally know where the band Sabaton got their name!

  • @albinotatertot
    @albinotatertot Před 9 lety +28

    I think it's kind of funny and somewhat ironic that the plates that allow for articulation and movement are called "lames". lol

    • @puffinpillow9419
      @puffinpillow9419 Před 6 měsíci +1

      "lame" in French means a strip of something like metal or wood. It also means "blade" which if you think about it is a strip of metal too. pronounced "L-Ah-m". I've noticed a lot of armor descriptions are French in origin

  • @jurtra9090
    @jurtra9090 Před 4 lety +7

    Through the gates of hell
    As we make our way-
    Oh wait, wrong channel!

  • @illoney5663
    @illoney5663 Před 5 lety +3

    The articulation in high quality plate armour is just absolutely stunning.

  • @angelsfallfirst7348
    @angelsfallfirst7348 Před 5 lety +7

    For the grace, for the might of our Lord!

  • @Theicemonkeyjr
    @Theicemonkeyjr Před 8 lety +10

    These videos are like crack to me, absolutely fascinating detailed looks at armour, thank you for making these and too a high standard!

  • @danielthompson6207
    @danielthompson6207 Před 8 lety +48

    I was sent here by Matt at Scholagladiatoria and, after these first two videos, I'm impressed! You give very detailed presentations on this stuff, which is hard to find on YT, and I'm looking forward to watching more of your videos. I have one question that has actually been on my mind for a while now but I can never really get a solid piece of information on it; How long on average would it take for a squire to fully arm his knight? From my research I've learned that it would be incredibly difficult, if not impossible in some cases, for a knight to get into his full suit without assistance so I was wondering into what sort of time frame would the whole arming process fit.

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 8 lety +16

      +Daniel Thompson For what I wear, I can get into everything on my feet and legs, and put on my mail shirt, but then I require assistance for the breastplate and arms. With someone helping me through the whole process, especially someone who is familiar with my armor (as any good squire should be :) ) it takes about 15 minutes if my arming garments are all already on and we're focusing on going fast. Probably 20 minutes on average, I will time it next time though :) (that actually sounds like a good video idea!)

    • @danielthompson6207
      @danielthompson6207 Před 8 lety +4

      Knyght Errant Ah that's not a very long time at all, and thanks for responding :) I agree that a good squire should be incredibly familiar with his knight's armor and how he fits into it, as well as how to clean and maintain it; otherwise he might not be squiring for very long! That would be a good video I think, the timing of getting into/out of everything and it would be a fine addition to your armor series. Another question was about transporting armor to and from battles; Do you know if the armor would be put on before setting out to a battle and ridden in the whole way, or put on when they got close to a pitched battlefield?

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 8 lety +8

      +Daniel Thompson Later armors could take more time to put on as they got more complicated or had more components too, so my estimate is specifically for what I wear.
      It's unlikely that people were going on forced march in full harness. If you were lucky enough to have full harness you would have put it on in your camp and ridden to the battle field as a more likely scenario, but the modern notion of the medieval 'pitched battle' was more the exception than the rule. Especially during the Hundred Years War the English much preferred small village and town raids called 'chevauchee.' The full scale pitched battle was not the most common type of fighting during this period.

    • @danielthompson6207
      @danielthompson6207 Před 8 lety +4

      +Knyght Errant That's as I suspected, I never did care for the theory of fully armored troops basically living in their armor (as modern shows like Game of Thrones would have you believe) and so-called pitched battles never made much tactical sense to me either. I'm going to do some reading about these chevauchee raids, and large scale Middle Age warfare in general as I'm not so educated on that subject either. I belong to a HEMA-type group and we focus on Iron Age Celtic/Northern European so I'm more familiar with small, mostly unarmored raiding parties. Thanks again for the reply and again I am really enjoying your channel, you've inspired me to learn more and that's always a good thing!

  • @gentlemanzackp6591
    @gentlemanzackp6591 Před 2 lety +1

    I forged duck feet armor, then i also forged segmented with a tri-hole for attaching spurs on the back plate. both worked well but you need to realize it does get awkward walking in them on different kind of terrain. For instance, on gravestone paths small stones travel between plate and you'd find yourself walking to the side lean on some wall or fence posts shaking stone out. till this guy mentioned sometimes knights would have chain maille sewn all over bottom of feet riveted eyeholes to each segments. this helped them run or give chase bandits or hooligans' in winter time. they were also padded with compacted wool between leather insole and maille. like today. there was 100's kinds of footwear and each had their opinion on which were best ones. I've seen leather soles that was thickened by maybe 4 layers and had brass hobnails around heel and ball of foot. many variations!

  • @alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723

    I really do love the pointy versions of it they add a lot of flare to the foot wear, but I have a very soft spot of the riveted chain mail & gothic plates, they are so stylish,

  • @GermanSwordMaster
    @GermanSwordMaster Před 9 lety +1

    Those vids are very valuable. Keep em coming :) !

  • @Cyrillius1
    @Cyrillius1 Před 7 lety +1

    I have to make some of these for a cosplay, and your video was very useful! Thank you :) These are a very cool looking piece of kit

  • @docstockandbarrel
    @docstockandbarrel Před rokem +1

    Good stuff, appreciate the explanations.

  • @KincadeCeltoSlav
    @KincadeCeltoSlav Před 9 lety +3

    A Very Informative and Well Explained demonstration! Very Much Looking Forward to the next! I am Very Pleased to make your acquaintance, Sir!

  • @foofad
    @foofad Před 9 lety +2

    Your videos are awesome. I'm starting to make my own armor, and one thing that I notice is that a lot of the resources online omit a lot of the minutia that you cover. So thanks!

    • @noahnipperus7320
      @noahnipperus7320 Před 3 měsíci

      Is it just me or does it seem like the inseam lock mechanism should be rotated 90 degrees

  • @alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723

    At Peleș Castle here in Romania, several of the armors kept there have sabatons with Italian style, at least I think it is, the one with the pointy spike head, I know there was lot of work with them as there were a fashion trend for the knights at the time, but your at the very least look comfortable, but just as functional, more so even.

  • @jared925
    @jared925 Před 9 lety +17

    Another enjoyable and very informative video. Can't wait to see the next.

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 9 lety +5

      Jared McClelland Good news, there's a reply button for you now! ;)

    • @jared925
      @jared925 Před 9 lety +2

      Knyght Errant finally ha ha

  • @vimtheprotogen2855
    @vimtheprotogen2855 Před 8 lety

    Keep up the good work man

  • @moondonghwa
    @moondonghwa Před 5 lety

    Thank you! really helpful to design

  • @IkarusZmedieval
    @IkarusZmedieval Před 6 lety

    Wow. Facinating historical invention.

  • @hery19741
    @hery19741 Před 4 lety

    Brilliant video, I learned a lot so thanks for that, and i have now subscribed as well :-) Take care.

  • @fredmore6214
    @fredmore6214 Před 3 lety +2

    Ian when the men didn't have the heel plate how did the sabaton stay on their foot? And: Why did some of the soldiers think they needed armor on their feet? Will you please do a video on what kind of metal was good to use for making the foot armor?

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 3 lety +2

      Hi Fred. In the absence of a heel plate there would have been a leather heel strap. In the 16th century they sometimes integrated the sabaton directly into the rest of the leg armor. I can't speculate on how common foot injuries were, but sabatons were worn with enough frequency in some form to suggest that the people who relied on the equipment found them more useful than not.

  • @ogyrfiwargf
    @ogyrfiwargf Před 6 lety +6

    Now imagine Sabaton's song named "Armor for the Foot" xD

  • @AlastorTheNPDemon
    @AlastorTheNPDemon Před 9 lety +3

    You should get a basinet with buck teeth carvings! Oh, and your sabatons look like adorable Devonian creatures.

  • @PieterBreda
    @PieterBreda Před 8 lety +13

    Nothing beats modern shoes and soles. Image walking in slippery grass or mud without a sole pattern. You will slip all the time. And even nails on the soles (don't know if they did them in in the middle ages), you will slip on hard surfaces. The sabatons are a nice piece of work by the way. Really smartly made.

    • @ohauss
      @ohauss Před 8 lety +3

      +Pieter Batenburg But there is such a thing as too much grip. For some moves, it is good to be able to turn the foot on the ground without lifting it, thereby changing your facing while keeping one foot stable. With too much grip, trying that can be rather awkward for the joints.

    • @lughfiregod16
      @lughfiregod16 Před 8 lety

      +Pieter Batenburg Part of it is that with modern shoes you tend to put weight on your heel. When barefoot or with a light shoe, you put your weight on the ball of your foot.
      Though there _are_ modern thin soled shoes that would likely work well enough.

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 8 lety +9

      +Jane Murphy Historical shoes have been studied for wear patterns, and it reveals that the normal gait that historical people used for walking was likely still heel to toe much like us, but when you're running or sprinting or doing something athletic, then yes absolutely the weight shifts to the ball of your foot.

    • @lughfiregod16
      @lughfiregod16 Před 8 lety

      Knyght Errant
      Yes, that is what I meant to say, I just worded it badly. :)

    • @louiscyfer6944
      @louiscyfer6944 Před 6 lety

      how bad is it to walk over rough surfaces or rocks and twigs on the ground with a soft soled shoe like that?

  • @vysheslavuzumati1269
    @vysheslavuzumati1269 Před 2 lety

    I have some suede desert boots I wear to work, the new job I have required me to wear steel toed boots, me being me I bought some sabatons and put those on top of my boots to make them steel toed. Genius absolute genius.

  • @therealliam4217
    @therealliam4217 Před 5 lety +1

    Subbed!!

  • @samwallace2770
    @samwallace2770 Před 8 lety +4

    Just found your channel and I'm loving the videos. Very clear while still being incredibly instructive. Thank you! Is there any chance we could see the sources for the images you're referencing?

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 8 lety +1

      +Sam Wallace Hi Sam, thank you. 90% of the images I'm showing can be found on www.manuscriptminiatures.com its sister site www.effigiesandbrasses.com

    • @samwallace2770
      @samwallace2770 Před 8 lety

      +Knyght Errant Thank you! That's a huge help!

  • @TheAssassin409
    @TheAssassin409 Před 7 lety

    when walking, how much of the sabaton touches the ground? are you clanking away, or is your foot tall enough to keep the edges off of the ground? do you ever feel that the tip on your sabatons impedes on running, or that it catches on things when you walk?

  • @ethanchiasson9956
    @ethanchiasson9956 Před 5 lety

    earned my sub thank you

  • @mandragoradravgis
    @mandragoradravgis Před 6 lety +1

    So what kind of impact or injury are these reasonably exxpected to absorb?

  • @Floridabum1
    @Floridabum1 Před 5 lety +3

    I can't imagine the pointy, long toes helping in combat, especially when it comes to running.

  • @TheFeanor74
    @TheFeanor74 Před 8 lety

    TY for this great series. I wish you would make a corresponding series for a full set of mail armor.
    How would mail protection for the foot work?
    Is it a small piece of mail covering your feet that is connected to the mail legs/chausses?
    Or is it a single piece of mail covering your complete foot and leg that is hold at the hip (perhaps attached to the arming doublet)?

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 8 lety

      +Fingolfin74 It seems as though mail feet were an extension of the mail chausses, and then secured over the shoe using lacing. It also seems like mail chausses (post 1250, when they are shown as no longer open down the back of the leg) were likely slit from the calf down and then laced closed once put on to get a nice tight fit over the calf. Otherwise you'd never be able to get your feet into well tailored chausses. Here's a statue where you can see some of the detail of the lacing on the foot (www.noorderwind.org/images/sag/malien/mail_chausse_roland_detail.jpg).

  • @tiggle5485
    @tiggle5485 Před 4 lety +30

    *FOR THE GRACE FOR THE MIGHT OF THE LORD* 🐴⚔️

  • @amicableenmity9820
    @amicableenmity9820 Před 8 lety +6

    Sorry if someone already asked this question, but for those very long pointed sabatons, I read that the tip could be removed after dismounting. Would the tip of the foot then be exposed?

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 8 lety +15

      Yes, many survivals (not all) have removable toe caps. There's a full sabaton underneath them, the toe extension just goes on over the shorter toe lames.
      Here's a photo of the same survival in both states:
      Without - www.pinterest.com/pin/182325484890442979/
      With - www.pinterest.com/pin/182325484890442980/

    • @amicableenmity9820
      @amicableenmity9820 Před 8 lety +4

      Knyght Errant
      Thanks man!

  • @christopherdavis7069
    @christopherdavis7069 Před 3 lety

    Can you do a video on the visored kettle helmet?

  • @cryo2156
    @cryo2156 Před 6 lety +2

    If you wear these will the Winged Hussars arrive?

  • @Captain-Electro
    @Captain-Electro Před 6 lety +1

    They are like rollie pollies for your feet!

  • @louispawel8326
    @louispawel8326 Před 9 lety

    3:34 shows how the crown knot is done correctly. A crown knot is an absolute must in case of exposed bindings on armour. Cuz loops will get opened by bushes, gras, sticks...
    Many people think it would be hard to open such a crown knot - it's not, as you can pull one lanyard up and the crown knot will flip up to be easily opened. Old salts also know that :)
    Keep it in mind for further videos but especially for yourself.
    And... keep it up! Your videos are a pretty nice presentation :)

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 9 lety

      Louis Pawel Thank you, I will definitely give it a shot. Much appreciated.

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 9 lety +1

      Louis Pawel Just wanted to follow up with you on this. Upon further review I'm pretty confident that the Philip the Bold sabaton fragment is showing a square knot. I've experimented with this and it works pretty well for pointing the sabs.

    • @louispawel8326
      @louispawel8326 Před 9 lety +1

      Knyght Errant Erm... right square knot seems to be absoloutely correct. My "Lion"-Translator is kidding me.

  • @jenny666barnish
    @jenny666barnish Před 6 lety

    Hi there! Great video. I just wondered; some lames overlap from the toe section uppermost and some overlap with the toe being underneath. Is there a right or wrong way and why are they different? Many thanks

    • @Firebow353
      @Firebow353 Před 6 lety

      I was wondering at the direction of the lame articulation as well, as I thought I'd seen some as in the video, some in the reverse direction, etc.

  • @Vykkylou
    @Vykkylou Před 7 lety

    What we really need, now, is a video on how to make the shoes.

  • @spinnetti
    @spinnetti Před 8 lety

    Nice! Where can I get some of those?

  • @dimitrizaitsew1988
    @dimitrizaitsew1988 Před 7 lety +5

    Why do the shoes have such soft soles?
    Walking and marching in them over hard rocky ground must have been a painful thing.
    I imagine stepping on a sharp rock, a broken off arrowhead or a caltrop could lead to injuries.

    • @ekzpo3876
      @ekzpo3876 Před 6 lety +7

      You have to remember that a lot of people walked around barefoot more often than they wore shoes, and that most shoes people did wear were very thin like this, so everyone had really hard and rough feet. Like how people that now run marathons on paved roads barefoot can handle it. Although, I do agree that an arrowtip or caltrop could be a major problem, especially if walking in formation with a visor down and not being able to see the ground.

  • @jordanreeseyre
    @jordanreeseyre Před 8 lety

    From your experience wearing sabatons do you find that they impede twisting motion of the foot much?
    I have seen Dr. Tobias Kapwell posit that some styles for knights focused on foot combat may have riveted the lames to connecting leather and wondered if this was a reason.

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 8 lety +1

      +Rokoman The sliding rivet articulation in my sabs permits some twist. I've not found it to be inhibiting. One area where I've heard leathers will shine is in particularly muddy situations where sliding rivets will tend to get more gunked up.

  • @WolfyAteUrSocks
    @WolfyAteUrSocks Před 4 lety +2

    In your experience and from what you know of other armor, do you find that the sides of the sabatons often touch the ground? Even if it's just to scrape a little due to the flexibility of the shoe/foot? (I'm writing a book--your videos have been extremely helpful)

  • @christophermann3156
    @christophermann3156 Před 8 lety +1

    so I'm wondering, is there any historical example of protection on the bottom of the foot? I ask because with as much effort as medieval armorers put into providing truly complete protection, I can't imagine that something that basic would be overlooked. Or were caltrops and the like just that absent from late medieval battlefields?

    • @KorKhan89
      @KorKhan89 Před 8 lety +2

      +Christopher Mann There's no such thing as complete protection. Then as now, armour is always designed to create an ideal compromise between mobility and safety. All medieval armours therefore had gaps and weaknesses in them, be it in the armpit, the back of the leg or in front of the eyes.
      In the case of the feet, the ability to walk properly took precedence over absolute coverage, since metal soles would have been too much of a hindrance. The same goes for the palms of the hands.

  • @medicinemandude8426
    @medicinemandude8426 Před 8 lety +3

    Another great video!
    I just have a question. Wouldn’t the soft leather soles be quite slippery to wear? Especially for a man weighted down by armour, on uneven grass, or wet mud. Also, wouldn’t it be easy to step on something sharp that would just go straight into your foot? Theoretically speaking, of course! :)

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 8 lety +8

      +MedicineManDude It's noted in some accounts that people may have wrapped cord around the bottoms of their shoes to create makeshift treads in certain situations. Without doing something like that they are more slippery than modern footwear of course, but they're not nearly as bad as people assume them to be. Because the soles are nice and soft, you get pretty good purchase on the ground. Yes, I suppose if you stepped on something very sharp it could potentially go through the sole.

    • @medicinemandude8426
      @medicinemandude8426 Před 8 lety

      Thanks very much, and keep up the fantastic work! Cheers!

    • @dimitrizaitsew1988
      @dimitrizaitsew1988 Před 7 lety

      From your experience: does it hurt when you step on sharp rocks?

  • @reggulus652
    @reggulus652 Před 5 lety +1

    I heard from Lindybeige that the heel plate makes it difficult to walk in (in his video where he has his own sabatons made.) What do you think?

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 5 lety +1

      I've found that I don't even notice my heel plate after a day in armor.

  • @LennyHobbiesUniverse
    @LennyHobbiesUniverse Před 4 lety +2

    you should have been playing sabaton in the back ground as you talk about sabatons

  • @sarcastichamsandwich5413

    This is utterly fascinating. I've been relatively new to your channel, so I don't know if this question has been sprung up, but I was wondering: who was allowed to wear armor in the Middle Ages? Was it socially acceptable for people (with the money, of course) outside of knighthood, an occupation in guarding, or nobility to buy armor for themselves?

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 8 lety +2

      +Emnuzuse Alor The later you go in the Middle Ages, the more accessible armor is to people with less wealth. The major barrier for the bulk of the time is money. I'm unaware of any laws that forbade certain classes to wear armor. By the time plate armor becomes common, it's normal to see depictions of gentle born men-at-arms who are not necessarily knights wearing it. By the later parts of the 15th century plate armor seems to be even more obtainable further down the economic food chain. Wealthy lords could also purchase armor to outfit their less wealthy troops and servants.

    • @sarcastichamsandwich5413
      @sarcastichamsandwich5413 Před 8 lety

      Great info and quick reply. Thanks, man! That question's been on my mind lately. You've cleared it up nicely. c:

  • @Qutut
    @Qutut Před 8 lety

    I have one Question about Sabatons, or more precisely, the shoes. Do they have any grip on slippery ground? Because they look flat in the video, so wouldn't you have difficulties walking up a hill when it's raining (or on slippery ground in general) ?

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 8 lety

      +Qutut It's noted in some accounts that people may have wrapped cord around the bottoms of their shoes to create makeshift treads in certain situations. Without doing something like that they are more slippery than modern footwear of course, but they're not nearly as bad as people assume them to be. Because the soles are nice and soft, you get pretty good purchase on the ground.

  • @leeschao3743
    @leeschao3743 Před 8 lety +9

    Great video!
    just wondering where can i get those shoes?

    • @dimitrizaitsew1988
      @dimitrizaitsew1988 Před 7 lety +1

      You can buy medieval clothing on many websites like this one:
      historicenterprises.com/

  • @agnault
    @agnault Před 8 lety +1

    How was armor chain & plate kept from rusting historically?

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 8 lety +6

      Polishing with abrasives and natural oils to remove rust, more naturals oils and waxes to help prevent more rust. Mail (chainmail) was routinely tumbled in barrels with bran (the husk of natural grains) to abrade rust off of the rings.

  • @Hephera
    @Hephera Před 7 lety

    Hi Ian. I stumbled on this video while scouring the internet for some kind of explanation for the, as you say, comically elongated sabatons seen on 15th century gothic armour. I understand shoes of that style were in fashion at the time but would sabatons of that sort completely decorative and only for rich nobles to show off to eachother or would they ever have actually been used for combat?
    I cant imagine even being able to walk on uneven ground with a toe that long let alone fight for my life. and even if they were only used by mounted soldiers surely one would want a sabaton that did not interfere with your ability to run away or fight should you be de-horsed. Do you know anything about this?

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 7 lety +1

      They are definitely a fashion statement, but they are also part of real war harnesses. They would have been used exclusively in stirrups, so not for fighting on foot (as you obviously can't really walk in them effectively), but in most cases they are actually a cap on the rest of the sabaton that can be removed if needed.

    • @Hephera
      @Hephera Před 7 lety

      Knyght Errant interesting. Thank you!

  • @keggan519
    @keggan519 Před 8 lety

    "Medieval Puzzles" and "Guns, Germs and Steel." I have those books as well... And they just happen to sit next to each other too.

    • @ikksksknsk4720
      @ikksksknsk4720 Před 8 lety +1

      I've heard that Guns, Germs, and Steel isn't highly regarded among academic historians. I've seen people refer to it as "Guns, Germs, and Generalizations."

  • @TheNielsvenema
    @TheNielsvenema Před 7 lety

    After doing some research I see 2 types of sabatons, 1 type is as yours where the first part (toe) ends up UNDER the second.
    I also see types where the first part goes on TOP of the second.
    Thinking of a horizontal impact, the "second type" seems more logical.
    Are both types historically correct?

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 7 lety

      The majority of the survivals out there show a toe plate overlapping the next lame of the metatarsals, so the toe on top. There are a few exceptions, but one thing to keep in mind is that virtually all surviving sabatons are from continental Europe. This is in contrast to what appears to be the norm in England, where the plates often lap in the opposite direction (toe under the next lame). Beyond direction of overlap though, there are a lot of ways that sabatons can vary.

    • @nielsvenema1538
      @nielsvenema1538 Před 7 lety

      Knyght Errant ok, thanks a lot for the explanation!

    • @Firebow353
      @Firebow353 Před 6 lety

      Thank you for that clarification!

  • @pauloinventostube7533
    @pauloinventostube7533 Před rokem +1

    Show

  • @alexamerling79
    @alexamerling79 Před 2 lety

    Ah so this is what my favorite band is named after...

  • @modernclips3868
    @modernclips3868 Před 7 lety

    Sapagi in Russian, and also many crusader knights in the desert had to cut the long sharp bits off so they could run away from enemies and....the longer the sharp point on the sabatons, the higher the noble status.

  • @Waldemarvonanhalt
    @Waldemarvonanhalt Před 6 lety

    Knyght Errant are there any shoemakers in particular that you would recommend?

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 6 lety +1

      High end shoemakers are ANA Period Shoes and NP Historical Shoes. More affordable options are Simurlan Shoes and Historical Footwear by Fra.

    • @Waldemarvonanhalt
      @Waldemarvonanhalt Před 6 lety

      Knyght Errant Thank you. I've bought from Ana before and was considering NP next

  • @TheCompleteMental
    @TheCompleteMental Před 3 lety

    Ive heard the plate on the heel limits range of motion. Can you verify this?

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 3 lety +1

      I've never noticed any meaningful limitation from my heel plates. They should be closely fit to a proper medieval style shoe. Sabs are one of those pieces that are kind of tricky to get right though.

  • @GermanSwordMaster
    @GermanSwordMaster Před 9 lety +1

    You could have added the info, that those long points on late gothic sabatons, like on Sigismund´s harness, are detachable :)

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 9 lety +5

      Blank- blade You're right. They are detachable, likely worn only when mounted and detached if you need to walk or fight on foot. There's a lot of little things I'd love to talk about in each video, but I fear they'd all be 30+ minutes long if I did that! ;)

    • @GermanSwordMaster
      @GermanSwordMaster Před 9 lety +1

      Knyght Errant True. Limited time. As i said in my other comment, awesome work, keep it up ! :) Love your kit :) !
      I had the chance to talk with a german top-armourer, whos a friend of mine about the sigismunds-harness, standing before it. Its a magnificent sight. Breathtaking work of art. And such an inticricate construction, with riding plates at the armpits and other fun stuff ^^

  • @hacheurdepoulet
    @hacheurdepoulet Před 8 lety

    Y'ello,
    I was wondering if you found any proof of some sort of historical crampons for the battlefield... I keep falling down, it's quite annoying :p

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 8 lety +1

      Off the top of my head (I don't have a source handy) I want to say I recall reading accounts of judicial duels where a combatant tied cord around their shoes to provide some makeshift tread.

  • @angelocoppola5295
    @angelocoppola5295 Před 7 lety

    complimenti sei molto bravo tanti saluti angelo coppola ti saluta andrauss

  • @annedebroeck2451
    @annedebroeck2451 Před 4 lety

    Are these specifically an English style or were they common in continental Europe too?

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 4 lety

      These are actually more of a continental style than an English style. These were made before Dr. Capwell published his research on the details of English armor, and it turns out that there was likely an English preference for leather articulation as opposed to sliding rivets in sabatons. He asserts the reason for this being the English preference to dismount the men-at-arms and fight on foot. Leathers get gummed up a lot less than sliding rivets do when they are in the dirt. The overall look of the sabaton would be roughly the same in both England and the continent, it's more that what's under the hood might differ from one region to the other during this particular time period.

    • @annedebroeck2451
      @annedebroeck2451 Před 4 lety

      @@KnyghtErrant Interesting. Is it reasonable to assume soldiers in continental Europe would have worn the style with leather articulation if they fought on foot?

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 4 lety

      There are so few surviving surviving sabatons from the period that it is almost impossible to know for sure. The most well known survival are the pair of sabatons from the then child Dauphin, the future Charles VI of the France, in Chartres, and they are built like mine.

  • @MrHusang23
    @MrHusang23 Před 4 lety

    I wonder if it's possible to use sabatons as weapons? If you're on horseback & able to take out your foot from the stirrup quickly, maybe you can kick someone in the head with it? And if the sabaton is pointy enough, maybe it can do serious damage? I don't think knights used this method, but still...

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 4 lety +1

      Perhaps in a moment of extreme desperation, but I think unless very specific and rare circumstances align, there is almost always a better option. The reason they're pointed has far more to do with fashionable footwear than anything related to them being used offensively.

  • @willek1335
    @willek1335 Před 8 lety

    Hi. I'm refer to 1:30 and knights wearing no protection at all. Looking over statistics of effigies of German footwork I've noticed they, unlike the English and French often choose to wear neither mail nor plate. Just the shoe. I couldn't find any answer in the comments or other videos talking about this.
    i.imgur.com/5SovSbm.png?1
    I'm curious weather it was a "fashion" thing by the German artists, because it's strictly a regional prevalence. It seems rather strange to see them start with mail, then some choose to move over to no apparent armor at all. I'm also thinking I'm reading it wrong somehow.
    Thank you for any help.

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 8 lety

      +Wille k The same trend is reflected in artwork. It seems that for every illumination of man in harness with sabs on there's another with just shoes. It's a good question that I unfortunately don't have a good answer for.

    • @willek1335
      @willek1335 Před 8 lety

      My only guess is that they strapped textile over their sabatons to mimic civilian foot fashion of the day in Germany. As you can notice, I'm grasping straws here, so I guess I'll just have to suspend my judgement for the future.

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 8 lety

      Wille k I wouldn't necessarily think that. In a lot of the images or sculptures where they depict shoes they appear to just be shoes in place of sabatons. When armor mimics civilian dress it may take on a similar shape but it's generally still identifiable as armor. I think they're just literally not wearing sabatons in a lot instances.

  • @planesrift
    @planesrift Před 7 lety

    where can i get those shoes?

  • @isildu
    @isildu Před 9 lety

    Do you wear socks underrneath them?

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 9 lety

      isildu No. You would wear the wool hose shown in the previous video. They have attached feet.

    • @isildu
      @isildu Před 9 lety

      Knyght Errant Thanks, I didn't get that part of it. It does seem to me that the ankle joint is unprotected, being above the sabaton and beneath the greaves. Am I seeing this right?
      (by the way, I love your vids, so keep them coming)

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 9 lety

      isildu The points of the ankle are pretty well covered by the saddle at the bottom of the greaves. There is some gapping at the top of the instep of the foot during certain ankle positions but it is not an easy target. This gap was sometimes mitigated by small patches of mail. You can see in example in the greaves video here:
      czcams.com/video/IjFh7k1CLZk/video.htmlm

    • @PJDAltamirus0425
      @PJDAltamirus0425 Před 8 lety

      +Knyght Errant Why would you what absolutely not gap at the foot? Being able, the adjust your feet for dirrent swings, get better pressure, etc. It would be like trying to make the elbow and wrist joints rigid, hurts the fighter more than it helps

  • @gokmasahala3032
    @gokmasahala3032 Před 5 lety

    TANK'S FOR YOU TECHING ME ..YESUS KRISTUS MENGASIHIMU SAUDARAKU (INDONESIA )

  • @popeyethepirate5473
    @popeyethepirate5473 Před 4 lety

    I see why they needed squires

  • @sleak9783
    @sleak9783 Před 4 lety

    The Ian McCollum of armor

  • @grimreapybones2875
    @grimreapybones2875 Před 2 měsíci

    Weird, most fotos of sobatons on the internet are of sabatons that have the next piece underlaping the previous where as these are overlapping the previous
    This is also how I designed mine, an my gauntlets are the opposite, underlaping

  • @Apollo_Vanron
    @Apollo_Vanron Před 6 lety

    Looks like cyber mites

  • @sukuicarp605
    @sukuicarp605 Před 5 lety

    i legit thought that its a new fan made music video.not like a literal meaning of sabaton

  • @briceonyoutube7215
    @briceonyoutube7215 Před 2 lety

    Why use this instead of a pair of super thick leather boots?

  • @iordanchis2437
    @iordanchis2437 Před 3 lety

    Why is it that every history enthusiast no matter his age, has old furniture in his study? Old bookshelf, old rug, old couch.

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 3 lety

      Does wood = old?

    • @iordanchis2437
      @iordanchis2437 Před 3 lety

      @@KnyghtErrant no ofc not. But the design of it is not modern / contemporary. Neither is the design of the rest of the furniture from what I can see.
      It's not like a bad thing. I believe that the hardwood bookshelf from the background holds better then an IKEA one for sure. I just found it to be an interesting observation.

  • @Usammityduzntafraidofanythin

    I guess by the 14th century people realized 'we can make hinges?!?!'

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 8 lety

      +No Free Will Hinges were a feature in metalwork long before the 14th century. :)

    • @Usammityduzntafraidofanythin
      @Usammityduzntafraidofanythin Před 8 lety

      Knyght Errant
      In middle ages? Really?

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 8 lety

      Chests, doors (indirectly on a lot of belt buckles). Hinges predate the medieval era by a long shot. They're on Roman Lorica Segmentata They're even mentioned in the Old Testament of the Bible.

    • @Usammityduzntafraidofanythin
      @Usammityduzntafraidofanythin Před 8 lety

      Knyght Errant
      So any old village smith had no trouble making a hinge?

    • @KnyghtErrant
      @KnyghtErrant  Před 8 lety +1

      Sure, there's nothing too complex about forging out a hinge. I would imagine it's a normal task for any competent blacksmith. It's really just the end of a piece of metal bent around a pin. If you have interlocking hinges, you'd just have to file out the notches where the two hinges go together.

  • @thegodzillaAlchemist
    @thegodzillaAlchemist Před 2 lety

    Then the winged hussars arrived………..oh wrong sabaton

  • @cucumbersman1059
    @cucumbersman1059 Před 6 lety

    Now try putting that onto a roblox character.

  • @JoaoFelipe-gm3pq
    @JoaoFelipe-gm3pq Před rokem

    Through the gates of hell
    As we make our way to heaven
    Through the nazi lines.....

  • @GregTom2
    @GregTom2 Před 6 lety

    ... That's probably someone's fetish.

  • @hugehappygrin
    @hugehappygrin Před 7 lety

    Your explanation of the sabatons proves that the World of Warcraft idea of just picking up looted armor and just wearing it, is crap.

    • @cesarandrade1987
      @cesarandrade1987 Před 6 lety

      You want to make people grind for specific armor sizes and shapes in a already grindy as fuck game?
      That's why you are not a game designer.