How To Replace Moen Trim Kit Without Changing Your Valve
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- Do you want to upgrade your Moen shower valve trim without replacing your existing shower valve?
In this video, I'm going to show you exactly how to do that. We'll be replacing Moen's Standard Valve Trim with the "new" Moentrol Trim without even having to shut the water off to your house.
You can buy the components that I used in this video here on Amazon:
Moen Shower Valve Adapter Kit: amzn.to/2IHcWtu
Moen Kingsley Trim Kit (For Moentrol): amzn.to/2DtDryn
To clarify, the Moentrol is the most "recent" iteration of the Moen Standard Valve. Both valves use the 1225 cartridge which has that push/pull feature to open and close the valve. If you want to go the extra distance and replace your cartridge while replacing your trim, it's not a bad idea since you'll already have access to the valve...it's kind of like an oil change. Just make sure you shut off your water supply if you do this optional step!
Moen 1225 Shower Valve Replacement Cartridge: amzn.to/2DycYj3
While these valves are essentially the same, except the Moentrol has pressure balancing, the screw positions on the escutcheon plate are not.
What does that mean? You need to first install Moen's shower valve adapter kit! Without this kit you will NOT be able to fasten the shower plate to the valve. And I'm sorry for the let down, but this adapter kit CANNOT be used to convert a Moen Posi Temp trim kit to Moentrol trim kit.
In addition to the adapter kit, I'm using the Moen Kingsley Trim Kit which is specifically designed for the Moentrol Valve. The Kingsley style is not only Moen's most timeless look, but it's their least expensive. With all the parts constructed from metal, I figured this would be the most popular option for those of you watching. But don't let me completely persuade you, there are quite a few other styles of trim for the Moentrol valve that work just the same.
If you've never replaced a trim kit before, it's really quite easy. All you'll need, in addition to the parts above, are the following tools:
- Phillips Head Screw Driver (Power Drill will speed things up.)
- Utility Knife
- Pliers
- 7/64 Allen Wrench (Moen doesn't seem to include this but it's needed to remove the set screw in the temperature limiter during install.)
- Silicone Sealant (For an optional extra seal on the shower plate. Moen's plate already has a foam flange built in.)
Follow my steps and you should have your new Moen Trim Kit installed in under 30 minutes!
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Dude you just saved me. Thank you so much for this.
great video...only wish is that you'd zoom in a little closer on the cartridge
Awesome - short, sweet and to-the-point video! Exactly what I needed to confirm the trim update I wanted to perform with my legacy Moen Chateau 1225 standard valve in my 1980's house! Appreciate the links to the adapter plate. I think anytime you're servicing an exposed valve during any renovation or update it's smart to remove and inspect the cartridge; I'll be replacing the 1225 cartridge for sure since I know it's over 25-yrs (if not longer) since anyone touched it. Thanks for filming the details of the install.
You are very welcome. Please let us know if you need anything else.
Thank you so much!! I did this by myself (twice) and it saved me so much money and gives me so much pride when I look at the results. Anyone can follow this video and modernize their bathroom.
Thank you for your support, BlueHannah!
Thanks! Very helpful video after some frustrating non-help from the big boxes and Moen support. You just saved me a buncha bucks!
I'm glad that you find the video helpful. Thank you for watching!
Thank you so much! Your video was very helpful for when I had my shower retiled and the new handles didn't fit. I did the handle install myself thanks to your helpful video.
You are very welcome, Agent! Let us know if you need anything else.
Thanks for posting this video. I went to several "big box" stores near me with this question and no one knew how to transition from the old to the new Moen styles.
My pleasure. I used to work for Moen, so I know the ins-and-outs on their products. Since most stores only sell Posi Temp valves and very few repair parts, this type of information isn't widely known.
@@theshowerheadstore You are absolutely correct. Thank you so much for the video, it was very helpful and probably saved me at least 500$!
Where can I find a black trim kit that will fit the moentrol valve?
Thanks brother! Saved me, I was at a loss.
This video is gold. Just an fyi: I believe you can still get Chateau trim and knobs if you're just switching trim colors (eg. antique brass to chrome) and want to stay with the look.
Thanks for the feedback Stephanie.
Thanks for the video, it enlighten me about the adapter, and the multiple valves Moen used over the years. Is there a way to get the handle to sit flush? It’s almost like my cartridge is too long, there is about an 1.5” gap when the valve is closed.
Great tutorial, except he got the hold & cold reversed. Cold always turns to the right (clockwise). Hot turns to the left (counterclockwise). The shorter end of the Kingsley knob should point towards the left for hot & towards the right for cold.
Thank you for the feedback
Very good video without getting sidetracked with filler and small talk like others, so thank you for that. I have already spent way more time than I should have, looking at everything I could find out about replacing my old trim with something more stylish and finally figured out what this video shows - ie. using the Moentrol Adaptor, and even had already decided on the Kingsley trim. I just wanted to watch the video to confirm. I do have one question - I saw a number of comments from reviewers on HD and can also see very clearly on your installation, that when completed, there is a fairly large "gap' between the handle and the trim plate. Is that really designed that way??
Thank you very helpful didn’t know about this part. Will help me on a particular job
You are very welcome, Paul and I am am happy that we were able to help you.
How can I be sure I have a standard valve? I believe I do because You pull out to turn on and push in top turn off, is that what proves this? THANK YOU for helping us all!!
Thanks for the video! Saves a ton going to posi temp cartridge system.
You are very welcome, Rich!
Thank you so much for this video! Instructions were so clear and helpful!
We're glad you like it. Thank you for watching!
Great video...EXCEPT the huge gap between the handle and the plate. If you're that concerned about aesthetics, then that should really bother you. It bothers me, so a video showing a fix for that (or possibly being done correctly in the first place) would be nice, thanks. Also, your camera person should be zooming in often to focus more on the work being done, and less on the person doing the work.
Yes and yes
Very informative video. It seems that Moen is migrating to the positemp system whereas I have several bathrooms with the old push pull (chateau?) housing so this video was very useful. Along the way, I discovered that there are two different diameter stop tubes. Could you please explain the differences, and did the kit come with a stop tube or did you use the old one? Thanks
Thank you so much for this informative video. It was a lifesaver!!!
I'm glad this helped you out!
Great video! Shows clearly what to do.
Thanks for the feedback, Jenna.
I just replaced my 1225 cartridge the other day and have been looking into updating my shower/ tub trim. This was a great help! Do i need to search for a special term in trims if my tub has a 1225? or will any handle/ trim work just need to pull to turn on water?
You forgot there’s a nicer piece filling wide gap between handle and plate that’s wider and chrome. Also Kingsley offers a different kit including along with different plate so not to see much gap at all
Does every trim have a compatible valve I have to buy separately? I'm trying to choose new trim for my 1950's 3-handle bathtub faucet but I have no clue if i just buy the handles individually if it'll work... how do you determine if certain trim is compatible with the valves? Sorry for the loaded question lol...
Yes, @aubstowe, every valve has its own trim kit. In order to get a compatible trim kit for your valve, we recommend finding out the name of the manufacturer and purchasing the trim kit for the model valve that you have in the wall from that manufacturer.
Bit of a left-field question: I have the old Moen Chateau. I want to replace it and found this video helpful (though it's still difficult to search for trim kits that are labeled Moentrol, not sure what to do there).
Anyway, right now, when I pull out on the handle to turn the shower on, the tub faucet pulls along with it. The trim plate has rotted open near the screws, so I'm hoping this is only because there's nothing to handle the pressure of a pull and not a larger issue with the pipes. Am I making sense?
I would suggest replacing the cartridge inside of the valve. You'll want the Moen 1225 Cartridge, which we sell on our website. It could be that your cartridge is really old, stuck and yanking on the valve. Here's the link to that part: www.theshowerheadstore.com/collections/accessories/products/moen-1225-single-handle-cartridge-oem-shower-replacement-part
For the trim, yes, there are at least a dozen Moentrol style trim kits available, but the best value is the Moen Kingsley which we sell here: www.theshowerheadstore.com/collections/accessories/products/moen-kingsley-trim-kit
This little czcams.com/users/postUgkxVoi3B4CB6Oygq1-vo4OTL1M_M5JkrXif tub works perfect in our 6 x 6 shower and is easy to get in and out. Also easy to drain.
Wow! Thank you so much for sharing this video! So helpful.
Thank you Joshua! I'm glad you liked it!
I'm so happy to be doing this myself. Does it matter how high the half moon shape piece is attached? Can it invade the notched area of the tube, or will this be a problem?
Hello Marie, this shouldn't be a problem.
@@temarmalcolm1741 Thank you! I feel very accomplished and I think hubby was impressed! Looks 100% better now!
If I have a standard valve installed in a thin wall fiberglass shower which has the plastic spacer between the valve and the shower, I have to remove the plastic spacer for this adapter/process to work correct? How can I replace the spacer? Great video by the way. Thank you
Yes you need to remove the spacer in order to install the adapter. You will not reuse that spacer because all the hardware for the new Moentrol trim that you’re updating to will be included in that trim kit - including the spacer.
Great and informative video. Can you buy the Kingsley trim kit without the valve?
I should have added brushed nickel. Thanks
Yes, of course. Most all of the trims from Moen are available without the valve, except those sold at big box stores.
Okay video, could have used a few close-ups of the work to make sure I was doing mine right.
If you slide the trim plate over the back of the round piece then put the round piece in place with the trim on it, you would not have to remove the alen screw on the round piece. Hope that makes. sense.
Thanks for your the feedback Greg
Any idea how to get that little end cap off to take this shower valve off?!
Great Video thanks, ordered both items today. Much appreciated
So you can use this with the 1200 cartridge valve moens right?
I believe ours in a Moentrol, but we want to replace with the next version. (Actually, we just want a matte black finish, but can't find one in Moentrol.) Do you have a video on that? Is this the same thing?
Have you tried contacting Moen to find out if they have any Matte Black trim for the valve that you have in the wall?
Nice video but are there any similar products for the Symons temptrol valve?
Like a similar screw position adapter so we can use trim plates other than the symmons ones or are there any 3rd party trim plate that are compatible with the temptrol valve?
Not that familiar with the brand. Moen is the easiest to upgrade with out changing the valve so this is not the standard.
I need to replace cartridge for a valve with this trim kit, and did the reverse, found that after I removed the long screw in the handle center, I can't pull out the handle as I can feel something is blocking it. what do I need to do to pull the handle out ?
In this case, we would recommend a plumber as something inside might break and cause a big leak. It could be sediment or a bit of rust, but we would recommend to do it by a plumber so he can take a look at the case.
I don’t understand where your trim plate screws are going into? I have the same valve and once I screw in the adapter plate, there are no available holes for the trim plate screws to go into? The top right corner is open but it doesn’t have any threads to accept a screw?
You would want to make sure that you have the screw holes on the Moen Shower Valve Adapter Kit installed in a diagonal position and the trim plate should have the same screw positions.
Does it matter that my old trim kit also has the little button for diverting the water from tub spigot to shower head? Would I just need to also update the tub spout to have a lift up diverter?
This video is for persons with the Old Moen trim that are converting to the New Moentrol Trim without replacing the valve or cartridge in the wall.
Do you have the old Moen Shower valve which is indicated by pulling out to turn on and pushing back in to turn off and adjust left to right for temperature? If not then this does not apply to you, but if you do, you will need to contact Moen support for further assistance.
Will the aris moentrol trim kit work for this? I have been struggling so much because moen discontinued the moentrol line! 😞
Hi Tiffany,
Thank you very much for reaching out. It should! Just as long as that you are sure that you have the Moentrol valve, it should!
Hi. We are in need of the tube sleeve. Do you know where we could purchase this before converting it over to a new style?
Is the Moen T3111ORB Kingsley Moentrol Trim Kit the only trim kit I can use with the adapter you've installed in this video?
Hello Danny,
Thanks for getting in touch regarding this. I will be more than happy to help you.
Other trims can be used once the screw positions are the same as the adapter kit replacement. The standard valve is the valve that will pull out to turn on and push back in to shut off and adjust from left to right for temperature. For the old plate, the screws are at the bottom and the plate that Moen makes now has the screws diagonal way. You can find the Moen 145058 part that converts Standard Valve To Moentrol Valve here:
www.amazon.com/Moen-145058-Replacement-Converts-Standard/dp/B002C59VTC/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=Moen+Shower+Valve+Adapter+Kit&qid=1637085964&s=hi&sr=1-4
Let me know if this helps, Danny.
Warm regards,
Temar
The Shower Head Store
This is the type I have, but I want to change the finish. Do I have to worry about a matching faucet and shower head being a certain type?
Changing the finish has nothing to do with the Showerhead and or faucets
I’m trying to do this upgrade, but when I put in the screw that connects my handle to the stem, a bunch of water starts dripping out the stem. Based on how the parts are lining up, I would think everything fit together perfectly if it wasn’t for the leak. Any thoughts on why that might be happening? I’m converting an old Moentrol deep dish escutcheon with crystal knob to a flat style escutcheon with a chrome handle, and I’ve bought the Moentrol extension kit to make up for the less deep dish. Thanks for the video!
Hello Michelle, thanks for reaching out regarding this. I will be happy to help. May I suggest that you send us a picture of short video clip showing exactly what is happening please? Please send this video or pictures to contact@theshowerheadstore.com
My stop tube sleeve had no ribbit or screw was on quite loose and was not joined at the bottom. Im assuming its called stop sleeve its the metal peace that is right behind the turn knob. I want to order the converter kit but im wondering if i should order a new stop sleeve if i can or if i should buy a new moen unit. My old unit front plate cracked up around the plastic knob i think the sleeve may have got damaged from leaving it to long and it getting stripped. Any suggestions i am a amateur. Hope im making some sense. 12087 Is written on the left side of the valve.
Hello kkrollings thanks for reaching out regarding this. Do you mind sending us a picture or video at contact@theshowerheadstore.com showing exactly what you are referring to, please? Once we have this information, we'll be better able to assist you.
How come other professionals don’t know that? I want to replace the leaking push pull old style Moen to the more modern Moen that turns right and left(no push pull).
In order to update this, you will need the Moen Shower Valve Adapter Kit: amzn.to/2IHcWtu and Moen Kingsley Trim Kit (For Moentrol): amzn.to/2DtDryn
Hi, I am replacing my old moen kit with the moen align kit and needed to purchase the adapter you have in this video for the screw holes. My other issue is that the new stop tube is too loose and seems to be too long. Is is possible our valve is still not compatible?
Brands such as Moen and Kohler have different types of shower valves that require specific types of trims. So you cannot just assume that you have a Moen valve, any Moen trim kit will work. You must identify both the brand name and valve type before selecting your trim kit. It may be possible that your valve is not compatible with the new trim kit.
Does the adapter need to sit behind the backerboard?
Yes, it goes directly over that center piece and behind the Trim kit
What other Moentrol Trims besides the Kingsley are there that work in this situation?
While these valves are essentially the same, except the Moentrol has pressure balancing, the screw positions on the escutcheon plate are not. So I would contact Moen for further information on the other trims that it works with.
We are converting from the Moen Standard Trim to the Moentrol Trim and so far, one has worked, but the other one won't pull out to provide a flow of water. Any suggestions?
Please reach out to our support queue at contact@theshowerheadstore.com for further assistance.
How do I get the old stop tube sleeve off? Mine does not want to slide off like yours. Mine has two divots on either side that seem to bind it up.
There is likely an Allen screw on the top right side of it. It's very small. You may need to loosen that screw before it will slide off.
Hello, Thanks for the video , very good. I have a brass version of standard Moen trim, the equivalent Brass trim, Moentrol T3111P is expensive( around $300), can I use some other cheaper trim with push /pull function so that I do not have to change the valve? Thanks
You can only use Moen Moentrol trims. The other choices that you have, for cheap options, are those kits they sell at Home Depot that attempt to fit most types of valves. They come with a bunch of adapters and often get returned. I don't know that they would have these "universal" kits available in Polished Brass. I just don't recommend anything aside from the Moen OEM parts.
@@theshowerheadstore Thanks much, This is a great video, very helpful. Another question that comes to mind, will any Moen Moentrol trim work to have the push off and pull on setup?
@@sahmed321 Yes, Moentrol is specifically the push/pull function. So any Moen trims labeled as Moentrol will have that effect.
@@theshowerheadstore ; Thanks so much God bless you for helping many people like me.
How do you take the cap off once it's on to replace the cartridge? I have the Moen Kingsley Moentrol, model T3113.
You can gently use a utility knife to pop out the cap on the handle. You just don't want to scratch the finish. Depending on how it was installed, the plumber may have even put some silicone inside to seal it so you may need to apply a bit more pressure to get it off.
so... I got the adapter and it doesn't fit over the stem which is about 1" and 3/8ths diameter. The diameter of the adapter is 1" and 1/8ths so it's a no go. The adapter model number says 145058.
If you have the Moen Standard Valve Trim, then the adapter mentioned should work. Contact us via email at contact@theshowerheadstore.com so we can further assist you.
I have very old Stanadyne handle, so does this adapter kit support?
Hello Stanly, thanks for reaching out regarding this but the Moen Shower Valve Adapter Kit is specifically designed for the upgrading of a Moen shower valve trim without replacing the existing shower valve. This kit only works with the Moen Standard valves that has the 1200 or 1225 cartridge.
Let me know if you have any other questions.
No Stanly, the kit only works with the Moen Standard valves that has the 1200 or 1225 cartridge.
Moen and all their valve/trim standards are confusing and needs to be cleaned-up. Case and point: The Moen exploded diagram for the Kingsley trim shows a 1222 cartridge as the needed cartridge.
We would recommend contacting Moen for further clarification on those.
Where can I buy this ?? Thanks
Hi Bhupinder! We are so glad you liked this. You can definitely make your purchase in our website: www.theshowerheadstore.com
I’m looking to get the Moen T2121brb. I have the adapter for the screw at 2/8. However it says equipped with posi-temp but built on Moen M-pact common valve system. Would this work for with the adapter for push/pull valve?
Where are the part numbers?
We only offer a few items which includes the following but not limited to 2 handhelds, 1 Rain Shower head, a 4-inch fixed shower head, a slide bar and 2 shower arms. These can easily be found by selecting the category of the product that you are looking for here: www.theshowerheadstore.com/. If you need further help, contact us via phone on 854-888-9231.
So who’s going to help how to change my old Moen L2353p from the Chateau Collection to an updated version, without changing the valve behind the wall please HELP!!!!!! 😢 can I change to any Posi-Temp???
You can contact Moen to find out the updated version on your Moen L235p.
How can I go from moentrol to positemp without ripping out my tiles? :(((
Hi Anastasia,
Unfortunately, there isn't a way. In order to change systems, you have to change the actual valve, and this means a major remodeling effort.
Good descriptions, TERRIBLE camera work and lighting. Can't see a thing.
I hear ya. Had some filming issues on this one. Glad you enjoyed the content.
I believe you have Moentrol and Positemp backwards. According to this video: czcams.com/video/38lO_MRVPHg/video.html, The moentrol is the pull type and turn for temp, while the positemp is just turn.
The Moentrol is the most "recent" iteration of the Moen Standard Valve. Both valves use the 1225 cartridge which has that push/pull feature to open and close the valve. I'm sorry for the let down, but this adapter kit CANNOT be used to convert a Moen Posi Temp trim kit to Moentrol trim kit. Posi temp will use the 1222 cartridge
Justin Ball here, just saw this comment. I don't think I mis-spoke. Moentrol is the pull type, posi-temp is the turn type. 100%
@@theshowerheadstore thank you for adding. I’m trying to figure out how to change update the old push pull plastic knob to a new trim. So this adapter in this video should do it if the holes align
@@RiseInspirePersevere If your old Trim Plate has the screws holes at the bottom then the adapter in the video will work since the Trim plates that Moen are making now has the screws holes setup diagonally.
What is "this piece" at 08:02? Moen factory instructions are useless. The only utility one can get out of Moen instructions is to use the paper it's printed on as fire starter material.
The part that you are referring to is apart of the stop tube that comes with the Trim. For installation, you would have to remove that little piece and the Allen key screw head in order to install the stop tube. After which, you will connect that small part back and insert Allen Key screw head.
No good video
Zoom out a bit more you’re too close
Yea, was a one man operation with an iPhone.