Johan says "The Tour Starts Tomorrow" | Tour De France 2024 Stage 13 | JB2
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- čas přidán 11. 07. 2024
- Johan and JB spend a little more time on the crash and relegation in the lead-up to the sprint today. Johan reveals a rumor of team change with a big rider and a look ahead to tomorrow as they head into the mountains.
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this is THE BEST of the Wedu podcasts - the main show just has too much shit talk and sponsors messages
I watch jb2 and not the other 3 ring circus precisely that reason.
Totally agree...keep up the great work
real and true.
100%
I am into cycling for over 40 years, and mostly completely disagree with 99% of the people who make these kind of podcasts, because half of the time they have no clue what they talk about since they have never experienced it themselves.. And even some of the podcast out there from former cyclists are not to be taken serious, because they often think that the sport is still the same as twentyfive years ago. Johan Bruyneel is the only one I take serious, and no I do not give a sh*t what happened at US postal back in the days with Lance and the whole team being doped, since everyone was doped (And still is for that matter. With the small difference that they don't do any blood transfusions anymore but do use synthetic drugs in small doses, and only out of competition.)....
But Johan was and still is a tactical master mind, who is far above all the people that currently work at teams like UAE and Ineos. Especially Gianetti at UAE is a knucklehead first class......UAE should give Bruyneel a contract, even if he's not allowed back in the sport anymore... With modern communication he does not even have to be in the race to communicate about tactical decisions that have to be made.
Although Vingegaard is a stronger Grand Tour rider than Pogacar, I am sure that Pogacar would have won four in a row already with Bruyneel taking the shots within team UAE. And that's why I love this show....I watch a lot of other cycling podcasts too, and in many different languages, but none of them can compete with this one.
It would be really great to have Spencer Martin back to add to an already very insightful show. Great episode as always JB2
Spencer often got talked down - I dont think the ex-riders respected him
100%, i kind of expected to see him. Spencer is a bit like a younger version of Johan, a walking cycling encyclopedia.
Poor old Primoz, there was he was just riding along and boom, the Astana guy shoots across the entire right side of the road. His helmet was shattered and he had previously had surgery to stabilize his left shoulder. Perhaps he’s concussed or reinjured his shoulder or both. Just bad luck.
Remco Evenepoel to Red Bull/Bora is big news. Very nice rumour/scoop. That’s why I watch.
Yes everyone wants to blame Primoz. I know some of his crashes are his fault but this was out of his control. The Astana guy shoots across the entire right side of the road nobody could have saved that.
Belgian here, the rumors are indeed that Remco would race for Red Bull from 2025 on... I would love to see that happen tbh.
Makes sense, Roglic clearly is past his prime, the question is how Remco gels with the other riders in the team.
Specialized & Red Bull have plenty of cash, won't be a problem.
Ayuso was the wrong choice anyway. Tadej needs Majka with him.
Problem with this year's UAE are too many egos. You do not make the best team by picking all best individuals. They are surely short on types like Bjerg and Majka. No one's gonna pull 100K like they do.
As a spanish, agree
"Not always to launch an attack by your GC guy,"...unless that GC guy is Pogacar 🤣
My son races U13 and the gears are restricted. It is true that U15 and up there are no more restrictions! Happy to see you support your son good luck to him!
The Domestiques Podcast interview with Allan Peiper was very good.
Listening right now - it’s pretty average. Not too much different from what Johan has been saying
@@5508Vanderdekken 😂
Can you share a link to the podcast?
I disagree about your take with Van Gils. Capiot was drifting back and Van Gils shot an open gap that Capiot closed cause he was looking the other way. Van Gils has to shoulder check him otherwise he would have crashed into the barrier
That WAS a great question from Rocco in Madison--and it was an equally great answer from Johan in Salamanca! Just discovered this pod; really digging it!
Johan- Good luck to your son. Hope he does well and stays safe. You’re right that it’s tough when you watch your son or daughter compete.
Another good segment with insightful information Johan and JB2. See you in the mountains! 🚴♂️
Thanks for your hard work JB
Great discussion, thank you. My two cents: zero chance of breakaway winning with the GC top 3 in this year’s race. Going to be a great weekend I think!
A Junior Team Time Trial! These were especially popular in the 70s/80s for the Junior division at the World Championships. (It was the bread and butter of the U.S. Junior team in those years)
Would love to hear some speculation on Ayuso leaving UAE to get a larger role on another team. Seems quite unhappy with UAE and seems to have GC pedigree.
He’ll go to Movistar and lose the prime of his career
He can't win a GrandTour on his own and I can't see too many teams wanting to help him. It was a mistake bringing him to the TDF imo.
Except UAE appear to have conditioning so dialled in that they seem to extract the maximum from all their riders, includjng Ayuso. Adam Yates has always been a great rider but UAE have turned him into a monster.
Use sunscreen Johan.
Ce be great vuelta-wva, roglic, Remco
Excellent show gentlemen. Can someone please tell me what is the red drink Biniam Girmay (and others) drinking immediately post race?
Cherry juice
Tart cherry juice
Sad for Primoz Roglic, I can understand that he felt he had to leave TJV (now Team VLB) to have one last go at winning the TDF but many (myself included) thought that he was too old to move to be the new leader of Bora. It has been clear since the beginning of the 2024 season that he was not happily settled in the team working as a unit and not fully fit.
He threw his has shoulder into the guys arm!
Yes he did! He wasn’t changing direction until after he nailed the Arkea rider! That. Was uncalled for!
Roglic rides too far back for optimum safety.First 25 riders in a group rarely crash.Also he flipped head over heals leading me to think he hit front brakes...just a guess
Agree on both points. I don't know if the crash was totally avoidable, but Roglic's apparent sudden braking calls into question his bike handling skills.
Great podcast as always - do you have any insight into how many riders have tried to win both the Giro and the Tour in the same year?
Pogacar already had covid a few weeks ago
Please drop the glasses Johan.
If Remco Evenepoel wants to go to Red Bull Bora it will be very difficult for Soudal Quick Step to keep is best rider even if the contract finishes on 2027 or 2028 ,everybody knows that for Red Bull money isn't a issue, anyway,when the press starts talking about these moves probably there's something brewing on backstage, in the end it will be Remco Evenepoel choice for his future that will make the decisive factor in the success or not for Red Bull Bora Hansgroe attempt to bring him to the team
It is heartbreaking to see Primož crash and abandoning the TDF again. Just think how many races he would win if he had half less falls. It is always inspiring to see how he always picks up after a hard fall, which certainly leaves the consequences, not just physical. The racing year is not over yet, I wish him a good recovery, keep going Primož 💪
Not only bad luck, it's mostly reaction time and rider motor skills in question when a crash occurs. Reaction time is more than just reacting, it is also predicting a dangerous situation and reacting on how dynamics of an accident will occur. These are instinctive and intuitive qualities that talented riders have. The reaction time and maneuver decision of the EF rider in front of Primož was an instinctive move and he had less time to react to the Astana rider crash than Primož has. But a quick move to the right of the EF rider became an obstacle for Primož, who had even less time to react because he was too close to the EF wheel. So to escape the crash, he should react at exactly the same time and with the same maneuver as the EF rider did and that is impossible without some prediction of crash dynamics and instinctive skills. The reaction time that Pogačar demonstrated a few days ago, when he almost miraculously avoided hitting a road island, is something that Primož will never have. It is not just about talent, Primož is talented, but it is also about when you start biking to embody the experience into instincts, and Primož starts biking late, very late. Sport talents are reflected through instincts and motor skills, while the supreme god loves all, the rest of the gods enjoy the talent performances so much, that will protect those who give them joy and entertainment more than others. The cycle of luck/bad-luck and talent is thus completed.
WvA would already have two pure wins in his pocket if he had not been inappropriately obstructed. He is strong already and just needs to convince the gods to start looking at him more. Just keep doing what you are doing WvA, simple as that.
The Tour starts today, not tomorrow 😉 If Pog learns something from a few days ago, he should attack on the last climb not before. I think Visma will test Pog today, so if Visma wants to win or to gain time, then Pog wins today, if not then the strongest rider from the breakaway.
Where can I watch the podcast Johan and Spencer?
I can’t find it, either. 🥴
You can’t. It’s audio only on streaming services like Spotify
JB - you keep talking about 'Outcomes', as in a podcast.
I've tried to locate it on Google, on Apple and other podcast platforms.
The last episodes appear to be in Spring/24.
Can you please give specific instructions how to listen to the 'Outcomes' podcast with Spencer and Johan? Thnx.
You gotta buy the membership
Thnx for info👌@@kevinsande1677
Apple Podcasts has it
illness is becoming a real threat to the tour, just hoping they can contain it.
Reportedly Pogacar had Covid a few weeks ago. It is highly unlikely to get it twice in such a short space of time, he should be okay.
Whose behavior will change because of the Van Gils Capiot affair? I will argue that Capiot's behavior will change. Crashing like that is a strong message that 1) don't stop pedaling after a leadout, 2) don't look behind you in a bunch sprint, 3) don't drift 3 lanes to the barrier in a final. What will Van Gils learn? Don't aggressively pilot your sprinter in a finale? Slam on your brakes or hit the barrier to avoid a drifting knucklehead?
The cycling gods want Roglic in the Vuelta! I was thinking that too! I think redbull would also like him in the Vuelta, i would be very very surprised if Roglic didn't turn up in Spa
Spain
If Remco leaves, what’s going to happen with Saudal-Quick Step? They are not a one day classics team anymore.
I don‘t understand the „they“ thing from JB. Seems like he doesn‘t know the singular, which is „he“. Can someone please explain??
UAE really should let the break go. 👌🏾 give them 7mins to put pressure on Remco and Carlos
So sad to see Primoz out. Chair dance with 4 contestants and 3 chairs is much more entertaining than if they have one each.
Jonas is easy money with the bookies. No brainer.
As said for 9 months, vingegaard takes 1-2 min on last climb, stage 14, last 3k
Same 15, 1-3 min
Please vingegaard never attack never lead other than those 6k.
You can sieze up on any stage at any time. Undertrained! At risk!
Heard to see v not winning 5 tours in a row-illness, crashes are biggest goes of v
You said what?? 😄
@@TheWaaaahh pogacar has improved, my error, didnt see, v is undertrained, and kuss absence has cost v approx 55 secs, and wva has helped zero
Isn't it an unwritten rule in cycling that contracts are honored? Are we soon going to see football-like conditions?
van gils didnt cause the crash, the arkea guy served
Of course pogacar will let break go. He knows he is weaker than vingegaard on such a high mtn stage.
P has his hands full solely dealing with v tomorrow, we are now on Vingegaard terrain and p has had no answer to v here.
Yellow goes to v stage 14 or 15, v is noticeably better climber than p in v high mtn stage. Esp on a v hot day.
We need to know temp stage 14 and 15. Key element for p and v battle in mtns
Remco? He loses approx 5-8 min to v stages 14, 15
P and Remco need to gang up against v for stage 15. Sd so so for 14 too, but they need to get stung from on 14 till they get smart and team up. P is gonna need help
I think that post needs to be saved for later reexamination. I doubt it is so clear cut this year. The high mountain in stage 14 is too early for Jonas to go away. He will lose on the downhill again. It will not be decided before the end of the last week in my opinion.
@@sebastianschmid8261 i didnt know about the downhill, you make good pt. race is far different than i had thought, i was wrong, v good improvement this yr in high mtns pogacar, stage 15, better for v, he needs approx 1 15 on p tomorrow
Of course pogacar will let break go. He knows he is weaker than vingegaard on such a high mtn stage.,
P has his hands full solely dealing with v tomorrow, we are now o. Vingegaard terrain and p has had no answer to v here.
Yellow goes to v stage 14 or 15, v is noticeably better climber than p in v high mtn stage. Esp on a v hot day.
We need to know temp stage 14 and 15. Key element for p and v battle in mtns
Remco? He loses approx 5-8 min to v stages 14, 15
P and Remco need to gang up against v for stage 15. Sd so so for 14 too, but they need to get stung from kiss on 14 till they get smart and team up. P is gonna need help
Yates was no threat at all for Vingegaard, so why did Visma chase him so desperately? Makes no sense
How can you give UAE an A+ on tactics today when (1) Yates spent a lot of energy in the break when he will be absolutely needed in the mountains tomorrow (especially after losing Ayuso); and (2) Pogacar wasted energy contesting the final sprint for no real purpose whatsoever? Both of those things just seem like classic UAE. Yes, Visma used up some energy keeping the break on a tight leash, but they were able to share that responsibility with a bunch of other teams, so I don't see any one Visma rider not having gotten some rest along the way. If you say, "But they were kept at a very high pace," well, so was everyone on UAE.
For Roglic its sadly game over for a tdf win. Ayuso we will see. Remco at red bull makes a lot of sense. Primosz is not a star. His personality is introvert. Next year with pogi with a even better support team, healthy jonas with sepp and remco at Red bull with also bulked up helpers like roglic will be a even better fight. I believe a healthy jonas with a healthy sepp kuss will always beat uae even though i like pogi a lot more. Also by bad race tactics team uae are not clever like the jumbo team.
My prediction for tomorrow is Remco going to show up with his big ball and take a flyer off the start and win the stage by 8 min at the end of this mountain stage! become the new KING of TDF!!
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still listening to this in 2024
Weirdness: “I don’t know if official but it’s rumored”
Self promotion
Why do they give Cavendish so many passes on total violations? Also why did they gift stage five to Cavendish?
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Dawg what
thats google ads, not personal channel sponsors and friends
Da fuck is this guy smoking
Just skip forward.
So do you complain on every podcast? or just this one? 😂
The cyclists get sick from stale blood transfusions .