Martin Luther King Jr: Postmodern Revisionism and Hyperreality

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  • čas přidán 4. 06. 2024
  • Martin Luther King Jr. is one of the largest cultural icons in the United States. Being the face and spearhead of the 1960's Civil Rights movement he is remembered for his racial egalitarianism in the face of Jim Crow and other forms of institutional racism. He is a figure celebrated by nearly every politician, every mainstream political ideology, and is remembered as a character to unity. Yet, many who have extensively read and studied MLK know that this 'character of unity' is a facade of sorts, they know that the American collective memory of MLK is false. These falsities can be explained through an introduction into Baudrillard's Hyperreality, and Jameson's postmodern capitalism.
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    Time:
    Intro: 0:00
    Civil Rights, MLK and Today: 1:32
    Revising History: 5:03
    Postmodern Capitalism: 9:51
    Postmodern Conservatism: 11:50
    Hyperreality: 12:51
    Postmodern MLK: 17:44
    A Message: 19:41

Komentáře • 124

  • @epochphilosophy
    @epochphilosophy  Před 3 lety +24

    Hi, friends! Genuinely hoped you all enjoyed this. This backwards contemporary revisionism and historical erasure we see of MLK and past workers and civil rights movements deserved a video. And what better way than through some introductions into Jameson and Baudrillard? Anyways, Patreon is how we keep these videos going, and I need your help. If you can spare just a couple bucks a month; it's how we keep this ball rolling: www.patreon.com/epochphilosophy
    Thank you again for absolutely anything you can do. Love you all.

  • @benedictspinoza1025
    @benedictspinoza1025 Před 3 lety +55

    I felt this video was a perfect example of how a multitude of different branches of theory can be manifested into one notable historical example. Another fascinating aspect is how you intertwined the modern political fabric with the notions of hyperreality, a concept which in and of itself is vague and philosophically diverse. Overall, the fact that you convey theory so coherently and potently whilst simultaneously using a perfect aesthetic, is why I found your channel so emancipating and unique. Looking forward to future content (plz Nietzsche)

    • @epochphilosophy
      @epochphilosophy  Před 3 lety +3

      Appreciate the praise, my friend! Genuinely, comments like these make it worth it. Over on the Patreon I allow voting on the text-based videos. Nietzsche is on that list. So you might get to see him soon!

  • @dan26dlp
    @dan26dlp Před 3 lety +44

    Just feeding the algorythm gods by liking, commenting and subscribing.

    • @epochphilosophy
      @epochphilosophy  Před 3 lety +5

      Thank you. You are doing gods work, friend.

    • @JustenHarper
      @JustenHarper Před 3 lety +2

      Yes i also like to like comment subscribe and engage. Perhaps this is controversial? We should discuss more

    • @dan26dlp
      @dan26dlp Před 3 lety +1

      @@JustenHarper We definitely should! or maybe we should just shoot the breeze? Have you been to any of the BLM protests?

    • @JustenHarper
      @JustenHarper Před 3 lety

      @@dan26dlp i have! The ones I've went to have been very civil & have had 100% mask compliance. There were some folks there who were saying some more radical things that caught my attention though, and the crowd agreed. It gives me hope.
      How about you?

  • @Sprite_525
    @Sprite_525 Před 3 lety +34

    I was just thinking about your ideas today, while contemplating the Buddhist community, my area of society. For some reason, people remember MLK and the Buddha as icons of passive domestication, though they had impacts in narrow cultural areas. when we look at both of their actual words, however, they had lots of far-reaching things to say about money, class, and how our lives work in real day-to-day senses. and we are having the same problem in Buddhist meditation groups: the Buddha had very radical things to say about money and killing/eating animals for example, and we are undergoing a painful phase revisiting the real original words. MLK and Buddha were much more demanding than we remember. Just carrying a sign while telling a slogan, or just sitting on a meditation cushion, isn’t what Buddha and MLK were talking about. Radical change was about everything we do from waking to sleep.

    • @Notemaster64
      @Notemaster64 Před 3 lety +9

      Although controversial, I would say that many people tend to look at Jesus Christ in a similar manner. They take out all of the radical ideas of Jesus, that a wealthy man would find it difficult to enter heaven, the way he hated the consumerism that was taking place in the temple, and the radical ideas of equality. That is, that any man is the same under God. However, once Christianity became institutionalized and power started becoming concentrated in political positions such as the Vatican and the existing Roman empire, we start to see Christianity twisted into an ideology of control. We see it come back briefly and in small sects with Liberation Theology in the last century with El Salvadorean Jesuits and Oscar Romero and other places in Latin America, but for the most part, these theologies have been denounced and ostracized by institutions.

    • @Sprite_525
      @Sprite_525 Před 3 lety +4

      @@Notemaster64 yes I’ve vaguely heard similar things about Christianity, thank you providing more precise detail confirming my vague suspicion that Jesus was radically anti-consumerist. I used to volunteer with an anarchist soup kitchen that claimed to have Christian roots, called the Catholic Worker kitchen aka ‘Downtown LA Hippie Kitchen’. I admired their dedication but i was too outside of Christianity to know about their claim that Jesus was radical etc. Looks like dharma and Christ are similar in heart, as the Zen Monk Thich Nhat-Hahn said. I didn’t listen but maybe it’s true. Cheers 🙏🏽

  • @penjorebhutia2815
    @penjorebhutia2815 Před 3 lety +28

    It's the same with Gandhi here too. We are indoctrinated all things about Gandhi in schools like his non-violence, compassion etc etc. But students are never encouraged to get a deeper knowledge of the economic and political views of Gandhi. Only much later did I realise that Gandhi was anarchist and was against industrial capitalism.

    • @vals4207
      @vals4207 Před 3 lety

      Henlo my fellow indian fren !! :-)

  • @guadalupevasquez8964
    @guadalupevasquez8964 Před 3 lety +7

    "In societies where modern conditions of production prevail, all of life presents itself as an immense accumulation of spectacles. Everything that was directly lived has moved away into representation" - Guy Debord, The Society of the Spectacle

  • @kuningas1101
    @kuningas1101 Před 3 lety +4

    MLK's revising overlaps nicely with the Situationists' and Lefebvre's concept of recuperation, wherein capitalism appropriates and degenerates a radical critique into passivity which can coexist with the logic of capitalism

  • @moda-vi
    @moda-vi Před 3 lety +25

    This is art. Thank you.

  • @Bisquick
    @Bisquick Před 3 lety +12

    _"It's easier to determine what something isn't than what something is reality"_
    Basically Joe Biden's campaign strategy...he sure _isn't_ Trump! Aaaand that's about it.

    • @Chorismos
      @Chorismos Před rokem

      *Democrats campaign strategy, "They aren't Republicans!"

  • @pradyumansingh7575
    @pradyumansingh7575 Před 3 lety +2

    This whole situation regarding MLK examplifies Debord's " When ideology becomes absolute , History becomes a totalitarian lie."

  • @kylenelson3391
    @kylenelson3391 Před 3 lety +6

    Beautiful work here. Your writing is wonderfully cogent and lively, but what goes underappreciated so often is video production of this quality. Truly, well done.

  • @omarazami7377
    @omarazami7377 Před rokem +4

    I can’t say I’m a fan of the woke left but more and more lately I’m seeing the BS from the right. Thank you for making this video. I’ll have to start reconsidering many of my positions.

  • @HWalla23
    @HWalla23 Před 3 lety +10

    in high school, I had a friend named Jameson, and it somehow became a meme to yell his name whenever we saw him, like "JAY-MA-SUNNNN"! -- anyway, whenever I read Jameson, I do that

    • @epochphilosophy
      @epochphilosophy  Před 3 lety +10

      I hear sniffing and lisping a lot when I read Zizek. This is normal stuff.

    • @ironmantis25
      @ironmantis25 Před 3 lety +2

      @@epochphilosophy I tend to read Zizek in a Slovenian accent

  • @guadalupevasquez8964
    @guadalupevasquez8964 Před 3 lety +4

    after so much, in the end, we have returned to the plato´s cavern

    • @NathanDudani
      @NathanDudani Před 3 lety

      Yeah, it's pretty hard to become educated when you have a state indoctrinating you and those cultural hegemons endlessly dividing and conquering with fake culture wars.

  • @JS-dt1tn
    @JS-dt1tn Před 3 lety +5

    So f'ing good. If this was shown in schools every year on MLK day, real change, the change that would 'cost' this country, would absolutely come about; by and for the people!! Bravo

  • @fuzzydunlop4513
    @fuzzydunlop4513 Před 3 lety +2

    This was great as always. Im excited for the Mark Fisher and hopefully the Rousseau

  • @PromiscuousOcelot
    @PromiscuousOcelot Před 3 lety +2

    Awesome video! Could you pls start including further reading suggestions in the video description tho? I'd love to look into these ideas more but tbh I don't know where to start with Jameson or Baudrillard

    • @philosophydork7780
      @philosophydork7780 Před 3 lety +2

      They wouldn't know because they haven't read Baudrillard themselves, which is evident to anyone who has actually read a lot of his work. It annoys me as a PHD student.

    • @PromiscuousOcelot
      @PromiscuousOcelot Před 3 lety

      @@philosophydork7780 How so?

    • @NathanDudani
      @NathanDudani Před 3 lety

      @@PromiscuousOcelot he's a troll, it's a new account

  • @asbjrngammelgard9979
    @asbjrngammelgard9979 Před 3 lety +2

    Note that you tend to overuse the word 'very' quite a bit. But excellent and criminally underrated video as always.

  • @paulgaffaney7865
    @paulgaffaney7865 Před 3 lety +4

    You deserves all the subs in the world this is such good content

  • @Falstaff0809
    @Falstaff0809 Před 2 lety +1

    Incredible job of making a video which makes clear a complex and important analysis of where we are.

  • @hunter-pq1de
    @hunter-pq1de Před 2 lety +1

    Amazing video. This needs to reach a wider audience

  • @Stereotype23
    @Stereotype23 Před 3 lety +3

    Amazing content as always!

  • @bluemilk123
    @bluemilk123 Před 3 lety +3

    Fantastic video, that last MLK quote is very profound.

  • @michelleford8484
    @michelleford8484 Před 3 lety +1

    Thank you for the great video. The final quote from MLK disturbs me. It’s hard to hear but absolutely correct.

    • @NathanDudani
      @NathanDudani Před 3 lety

      It's from 'Letters From Birmingham Jail'

  • @leeleeleelee420
    @leeleeleelee420 Před 3 lety +2

    absolutely brilliant stuff here. loved every single second

  • @gaaseche500
    @gaaseche500 Před 2 lety +1

    Hi, love the quality of the videos, please do a video on natural capitalism if it’s a central concept, as its pops up a lot as I studied sustainability philosophy and I observed this phenomenon in the on going Glasgow UN COP26 as nations and organisations make pledges and commitments to transition to a low carbon or circular economy.

  • @chonglers1513
    @chonglers1513 Před 3 lety +5

    Yo this is really good

  • @surajchaudhary613
    @surajchaudhary613 Před 3 lety +5

    wonderful!

  • @Based_Proletariat
    @Based_Proletariat Před 3 lety

    Great work sir.

  • @TheJayman213
    @TheJayman213 Před 3 lety +1

    gotta love that last quote.

  • @MFTQ
    @MFTQ Před 3 lety +1

    2:28 They've started with Fred Hampton. Mayhaps they're coming for Huey Newton and Bobby Seale soon.

  • @walterramirezt
    @walterramirezt Před 3 lety

    Great analysis!

  • @inversebrah
    @inversebrah Před 2 lety +1

    learned a lot, great work

  • @rafaelcarvalho3928
    @rafaelcarvalho3928 Před 3 lety

    Great video!

  • @gregbrown5020
    @gregbrown5020 Před 3 lety

    When social science gets lost in abstract thought. More matter, less art.

  • @Yellow.1844
    @Yellow.1844 Před 3 lety

    great video

  • @franciscoh.j8182
    @franciscoh.j8182 Před 3 lety +1

    Subscribed and feeding the almighty algorithm

  • @andrejmucic5003
    @andrejmucic5003 Před 3 lety

    Excellent.

  • @ClockCommunist
    @ClockCommunist Před 3 lety

    This whole simulacrum lark is an awful lot of words to say that people just get up in their own heads a little bit too much sometimes (and then those people find enough other similar people, hey presto).

  • @JaredAllaway
    @JaredAllaway Před rokem

    This is fantastic

  • @vals4207
    @vals4207 Před 3 lety +1

    Comment for AL GORE RYTHM !!

  • @modernmyth9050
    @modernmyth9050 Před rokem

    One thing neither side talks about are Dr. King abd Malcolm X's thoughts on Israel...

  • @Jonathan-pu8ok
    @Jonathan-pu8ok Před 3 lety

    Fantastic!!!

  • @johnwhite2757
    @johnwhite2757 Před 3 lety

    Great man. Philosophize with a hammer and wake people up!!

  • @uza10101
    @uza10101 Před 3 lety

    brilliant !

  • @hinzkunz3923
    @hinzkunz3923 Před 3 lety

    The only thing that is hyperreal is the idea of justice.

  • @Betmas2
    @Betmas2 Před rokem

    Wow this was great. Thank you

  • @Bisquick
    @Bisquick Před 3 lety +3

    So what you're saying is...postmodernism was willed into being by cultural marxists?!
    I kid of course but like...this has to be what folks like Jordan Peterson believe right? That a few french philosophers had more control over society than the very economic base that organizes material reality? And that it wasn't purely a description based on observation but an incantation of sorts? Pretty nuts.
    But we love it folks don't we, just tremendous stuff, really fantastic. That was my Trump simulacrum.

  • @BenAHowell754
    @BenAHowell754 Před 2 lety

    7 percent of violence cost billions of dollars, the loss of homes, businesses, and irreplaceable keepsakes, not to mention the injury of thousands and the death over 25 people.

    • @yuyuchoo
      @yuyuchoo Před 2 lety

      so this is what you took from it? i'm sorry

  • @andrewpaddock7560
    @andrewpaddock7560 Před 3 lety

    I don't get it. All that philosophy stuff is really esoteric to my ears. I had no idea what you were getting at. It might have helped to give an example and show the stages of that simulacra thing you were talking about. Sometimes showing how somethings works is more effective than explaining it. At least, that often works for me. I've had people go practically blue in the face trying to explain how something works without success; meanwhile, something complicated that is demonstrated gets right to me almost immediately. Just a thought.
    Also, who says the Civil Rights Movement was nonviolent? I don't know how anyone could think that. There was tones of violence! The movement depended on that fact, knowing it would be televised and thus give lie to a lot of what was being said in addition to outraging the nation with images of women and children being sprayed with hoses or having dogs sicked up on them. What about all those organizers that were killed in South? The general violence of Jim Crow? I came decades after the movement and even I know about this stuff. The 1960s was a violent time, as were the 1970s. Where are people getting their ideas these days? I don't get this world.

  • @rafeeqwarfield9690
    @rafeeqwarfield9690 Před rokem

    for the ominous all-seeing “algorithm”

  • @JHimminy
    @JHimminy Před 3 lety

    It’s crazy that a country that understands/teaches history so well gets MLK so wrong.

  • @tyronewarren6662
    @tyronewarren6662 Před 2 lety

    🗣 *Excellent!* 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

  • @Xx_Eric_was_Here_xX
    @Xx_Eric_was_Here_xX Před 3 lety

    love your videos but the music puts me to sleep

  • @MattStranberg
    @MattStranberg Před 3 lety +1

    Incredible. One of your best!

  • @FullSlack
    @FullSlack Před 2 lety

    Damn. This was amazing.

  • @MiggiMixtapes
    @MiggiMixtapes Před 2 lety

    This is also a simulacra right ?

  • @howenator
    @howenator Před 2 lety

    “What is now happening to Marx's theory has, in the course of history, happened repeatedly to the theories of revolutionary thinkers and leaders of oppressed classes fighting for emancipation. During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander. After their death, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their names to a certain extent for the “consolation” of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping the latter, while at the same time robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge and vulgarizing it. Today, the bourgeoisie and the opportunists within the Labor movement concur in this doctoring of Marxism. They omit, obscure, or distort the revolutionary side of this theory, its revolutionary soul. They push to the foreground and extol what is or seems acceptable to the bourgeoisie. All the social-­chauvinists are now “Marxists” (don't laugh!). And more and more frequently German bourgeois scholars, only yesterday specialists in the annihilation of Marxism, are speaking of the “national­ German” Marx, who, they claim, educated the labor unions which are so splendidly organized for the purpose of waging a predatory war!” - V.I. Lenin
    So much of this quote is relevant here

  • @cwarren165
    @cwarren165 Před 3 lety

    Is MLK a sublime object?

  • @CaptainFrankay
    @CaptainFrankay Před 3 lety

    Bump

  • @GC-rt2nq
    @GC-rt2nq Před 2 lety

    10:45

  • @Work-WorkBalance
    @Work-WorkBalance Před rokem +1

    Thats why im a Marxist

  • @Bouxjiful
    @Bouxjiful Před 2 lety

    Can we say symbols that lay on top of each other, free of reference are memes?

  • @Metaphix
    @Metaphix Před 11 měsíci

    That's a really long way of saying violence is good

  • @saladcaesar7716
    @saladcaesar7716 Před 3 lety

    hi

  • @makecowsnotwar
    @makecowsnotwar Před 3 lety +1

    The foreshadowing of simulacra and simulation. You’re such a tease!

  • @thermalvision203
    @thermalvision203 Před 2 lety

    "During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lie s and slander. After their death, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their names to a certain extent for the “consolation” of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping the latter, while at the same time robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge and vulgarizing it."
    -Vladimir Lenin, _The State and Revolution_

  • @jeffcook3277
    @jeffcook3277 Před 6 měsíci

    That's nice, but how many white girls did he bang? That's the important question.

  • @JH-pt6ih
    @JH-pt6ih Před rokem

    It seems like your getting your concept(s) of postmodernism from Jordan Peterson. Postmodernism is not a blanket rejection of truth. I think you are confusing lying with postmodernism.

  • @gentlemantramp7528
    @gentlemantramp7528 Před rokem +3

    Respectfully, I'm not sure you escape your own critique here: By reducing Dr. King's legacy to a single-in this case, Marxist atheist-dimension, you are conveniently overlooking the fact that his philosophy and praxis remained firmly rooted in his vocation as a Southern Baptist Christian minister to the bitter end.
    Reconcile that non-dualist contradiction and you may have something original to say. Until then, it's just more cherry-picking.
    "“Communism forgets that life is individual. Capitalism forgets that life is social. And the kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the thesis of communism nor the antithesis of capitalism but in a higher synthesis. It is found in a higher synthesis that combines the truths of both.” ~Dr. MLK, Jr.

  • @vcihiethea
    @vcihiethea Před 3 lety

    Intellectual gymnastics to make excuse for a criminal.

    • @vcihiethea
      @vcihiethea Před 2 lety

      @@balthasargerard7246 I'm talking about floyd, what are you on about?

  • @edubmf
    @edubmf Před 3 lety

    Very good. Even at the most basic level Trump is not real. We all know he colours his entire head orange each day, that this is not really him. Yet the charade continues. Even at this most basic level, he is not genuine.

  • @sidneybechet9969
    @sidneybechet9969 Před 6 měsíci

    woke is the opposite of MLK's dream. People are judged now by their identity, not the content of their character. MLK was also a Christian, so I don't think he would agree with much of this stuff that is going on today.