Victorian Letter-Writing Etiquette Rules
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- I find Victorian etiquette rules SO interesting and hope that you do too!
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Burning a letter after it's arrived and you've read it is the historical equivalent of deleting a text after you've read it. Just my thoughts
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Deleting a text only removes it from your view, you cannot delete the data off the cell provider's servers. not even close to equivalent.
@@ghostsinthegraveyard5766 Can you name anything better? Because last I checked next to nobody was burning their mail
@@fridaythevirgowitch set your phone on fire
If it was a Bill some people burned it before reading it.
Red ink is considered rude because years ago when they still kept ledgers they used red and black inks. Black for debit and red for credit.
To write a letter with red ink could make the reader and people around them think that the letter is from the bank and that the person was on credit.
Money was a very touchy subject back then.
Oh that's fascinating! Thank you for sharing!
oooh.. a little bit of an accounting history as well!
lol some still thinks like that till this day
lol some still thinks like that till this day
Money is still a very touchy subject.
Fun fact: Never write a Koreans name in Red Ink unless they are dead. A Korean's name written in red denote that the bearer is deceased. I found this out in lighting class at college when we did colour study.
Or blue
same in Japan
I learned that from Kim's Convenience.
Time to write Kim Jong Un name in red ink!
Superstitious beliefs are everywhere, Asia in particular.
Writing to a gentleman in 1892: "written well with wit, to such a quality that it is worthy of being published."
Writing to a gentleman in 2020: "lol u up bae?"
The main difference being the quality of the gentlemen in question I think.
@@weepingcamel1 Agreed...the word "gentleman" is used quite loosely in 2020. The "gentleman" is an endangered species. Not too many adult male humans (notice I didn't say "men") these days conduct themselves as "gentlemen."
@@wannawatchu66 and in what is considered witty, of which, "u up bae?" is unfortunately considered of as a prime example. The sad truth is, in our attempt to eliminate class distinction, notions of true gentility and good breeding quickly fell victim, while class division remained (if not further entrenched)
Nobody does anything properly today, everything was better back when *insert heavily romanticized/misrepresented moment in history*. Sigh, I was born in the wrong generation. 😩😩😩
@@weepingcamel1 Or how society has destroyed chivalry and demonizes men. I dont give a shit, i think chivalry is bullshit anyways but dont go thinking that it was men that ended it.
I, with my left handed, reversed slope handwriting, am incredibly glad I was born in a different era. Very interesting topic though.
I was taught to turn your paper slightly to prevent sloping. For lefties it would be so that the top right corner is angled slightly lower than the left. This makes your natural hand position parallel to the top of paper and keeps your writing from sloping. Righties tilt the paper to downward to the left for the same effect.
Don't forget the part where you get ink all over your hand
i am left-handed and want to do this XD
Me: omg writing with a quill or a fountain pen looks so fancy! I should try one as well!!!
Also me: *remembers she is left handed and would smudge absolutely everything* ...nevermind
I went to school at the end of the era when penmanship was taught, and I remember instruction for lefties. That reverse slant was considered quite correct, and I think you would not have received reproach even in Victorian times. We were taught to slant the paper to achieve an elegant cursive incline, and to avoid getting our hands in the wet ink (though we weren't still using dip or fountain pens by then)! This was accomplished with the opposite slant for left-handed writers. Pretending to be right-handed by approaching from the top and looping over the text written so far was strongly discouraged.
How to sign off letter: Sincerely me
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It is an old tradition of our family that we preserve letters from our family for the expressed reason of maintaining our family history. We know our genealogy going back at least ten generations. It’s through these letters that we can confirm our family’s lore when found in formal documents. It’s interesting to read what they thought in their day.
Thank you for your insight to the attitudes of the 19th century. We learned something new today.
I would love to start a tradition like this in my family, except I don’t want kids and my family isn’t into this like I am. The legacy will die out with me, lol.
That is a most wonderful tradition!
That is awesome
That’s such a cool tradition!!!
i feel so bad for people with a bad memory in the victorian era. i would never survive
If you kept a journal it would be no problem. And one could probably write a quick and dirty rough draft, fix any errors, then once you are happy copy it slow and smoothly to your final letter :)
@@lyingcat9022 Oooh that makes sense 🙈
It would've been tasks that everyone naturally knew though, if you know what I mean. For instance, we know to wave at someone if they wave at us, or cover our mouth if we cough. Hope that summarises it for you. :)
You'd be a fine commoner
A friend has a stack of letters, that his grandparents wrote to each other while engaged. They had a long distance relationship and wrote every single day for a year. His grandmother took care of the letters after their marriage, and passed it on when she passed. Some parts were removed, showing how they did sometimes write things not fit for others eyes.
I think that is just so sweet.
Bravo! What a treasure!
Like the movie The Notebook💌👩❤️👨
victorians: never write anonymously!
also victorians: vinegar valentines amirite
also victorians: writes and publishes at least 3 books under anonymous pen names
Victorian Britain was the pinnacle of hypocrisy.
Thing is, if you're anonymous, no one knows it's you, do they? No consequences.
@@DinnerForkTongue Hypocrisy is as old as mankind, but the Victorians also achieved a heck of a lot. While the phrase 'can-do attitude' might be new, the sentiment was everywhere in Victoria's day, and Britons remain a resourceful bunch. Even in countries where the anglophone world (the UK, USA, etc.) is despised as the Devil's work, use of western technical advances, scientific knowledge, cars, 'planes, vaccines, electronics, materials, etc. is ubiquitous. Aren't _they_ the hypocrites?
@@kh23797 Do you actually think the UK government is the pinnacle of mankind? A lot of advancement was made in the 1800s, art, science, etc, but they were made by Europeans in general, and other people too, not only British
Well I have a special disdain and spite for the UK government because I'm a Russian descendant and the UK crown denied help to Russia in the civil war, and denied asylum to emperor Nicholas and his family, even though king George was a direct cousin of emperor Nicholas, which culminated in their murder. the UK government basically helped bolsheviks perpetrate the coup d'etat in Russia.
Why do people even use these british crown names to denote time frames anyway? Victorian? Edwardian? Most Americans aren't even british, there are more Irish and Germans who make up the US population than British
My grandmother had a few old family "round robin" letters that were passed down that were passed along from one person to another (usually siblings). They put the old letter in a new envelope, and added a letter of their own, and apparently they made a specific route, and the letters would be taken out when they got back to the original writer. They are very newsy letters form family members that are very much fun to read.
They would also include cabinet photographs sometimes, which was very nice.
That is so cool
I have a small journal that my best friend and I have been sending back and forth for a few years now. We're very irregular with it, but we both enjoy it immensely.
I'll write a letter to my girlfriend following this rules, considering that few people here in Brazil speak English, I'm sure she won't find this video and will believe I've suddenly become a gentleman.
No que deu?
No que deu?
No que deu?
No que deu brother?
No que deu?
"Breeding", in this context, was not literally "DNA", but rather a person's upbringing and education. Obviously, they considered this to be related to one's family and class, as these would be generally correlated to the manners a person would be taught. It is a subtle difference, but a difference none the less.
I was thinking this as she said it. Of course sending a letter on high quality paper with proper grammar and spelling, fancy penmanship and expensive ink shows your breeding.
Poor people would be hard-pressed to have these things.
(I think this came out more formal than intended because of the subject, but it amused me, so I'm leaving it like that :P )
Funny how you try to spin this to fit modern sensibilities. The word "breeding" was indeed meant to draw the link between DNA and class. Having class was linked to being born of high class (nature AND nurture).
Ever read Plato? These are old concepts.
It's amazing how we have been irrationally programmed in the West to feel repulsion to such an idea. Here's a trick, just think of it like breeding horses. You can breed horses for speed, strength, intelligence, and even personality traits. Obviously, dogs as well. Really you can apply proper breeding to all animals, humans included.
@@kurtrustled7801 Feeling repulsion towards repulsive old ideas is how society makes progress.
@@jogennotsuki Please explain why you think it is repulsive to acknowledge having class is inborn, in addition to being taught. Or are you just a mindless echo?
@@kurtrustled7801 Because it's a nonsensical delusion that also happens to lead to genocide. Are you too mindless to realize that?
I regards to the letter burning; I also think that these days we are more aware of the value of preserving things for posterity than the Victorians were. In the Victorian age everything new was better, they saw themselves as the pinnacle of human civilisation. These days we're always looking back to the past and romanticising it.
Hi Robin! This is very very true -- I didn't think about it like that x
Many things about the past were far better than things are today. It isn't romanticizing when you're talking about facts
@@RubyGranger8 Also, considering that all news of whatever nature were conveyed through letters, it appears perfectly sensible for people to only keep those letters that were of a certain personal significance to them
I'd say they burnt letters just as we do. But nowadays only very fancy occasions result in a letter, back then it was the norm. And what I'm referring to is that I delete my incoming emails pretty often and not treasure them just because I recieved them. Obviously there are some really personal mails I keep, but most of it goes right into the trash after reading.
The Victorians were also guilty of romanticising the past, even when that hindered their society. This is not a modern thing. I believe that our interest in old personal letters is because modern forms of communication do not leave less of a physical trace. Prior to Victorian letter burning, personal notes carved into birch wood were thrown in piles.
I adore how making sure a guest is equipped with letter writing supplies is the equivalent of letting a friend borrow a phone charger should they need it
I just found this video and I'm loving the comments remarking on the modern equivalents of these Victorian practices! I think you're particularly right with this one 😂
This makes me want to write letters
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My mother-in-law recently passed. I found that it gave us an enormous sense of comfort to send handwritten letters to thank people for their expressions of sympathy.
It so annoys me that one must pay more for unlined notebooks, whereas lined notebooks are somewhat childish.
"This makes me want to write letters".
Good.
Writing letters used to be an extremely important thing for family members. My grandmother, whose parents were raised during the Victorian era, was one of 13 siblings. Once they reached adulthood, they developed the habit of circulating and supplementing letters amongst them. Specifically, Sibling A would write to Sibling B telling them all that was going on in their lives. Then Sibling B would write a similar type of letter and send it to Sibling C ALONG WITH the original letter from Sibling A. And so on it would go so that all 13 siblings would get a chance to share their news with their other siblings. This system was rather genius, imo, because it meant that you only had to write a single letter 3 or 4 times a year to keep in touch with your 12 siblings, rather than 12 letters 3 or 4 times a year. All this was necessary because they were scattered geographically along settlements just north or south of the US-Canadian border from the Dakotas to Vancouver BC and rarely saw each other in person.
The whole burning letters thing reminded me a lot of how some people delete emails and some people (myself included) keep old emails around in case they need to be searched through in the future
It's amazing to me how similar Victorian letter writing etiquette is to today's email writing etiquette. At least for work purposes, we have official greetings, how to style what you want to say, and pre-saved signatures in our email inboxes. But of course, those rules go right out the window when sending personal emails to family and friends. It's always so interesting to look at history and see what's changed but also what's still the same. Thank you for a fascinating video, Ruby!
As an old person (50's), we were actually taught in school the proper way to structure a letter, where to put the date, your name, the signature, etc... This was taught in typing class. We were taught the difference between all of these for a professional letter, vs. a personal letter. Many of these rules are retained today, and can be traced back to at least Victorian times, and some much earlier.
Wilhelm ᚹᛁᛚᚺᛖᛚᛗ᛫ᛋᛖ᛫ᛚᛇᚱᚾᛁᛝᛣᚾᛁᚺᛏ Yes, but from the generation that remembers typing class (👵🏻 60 inna minit), I think we were also taught rules of correspondence earlier, during English composition.
English, whether grammar/writing, or literature/reading, was a perennial part of the curriculum, whereas typing was a high school "elective" (though not really optional for college-track students - or women who hoped for ... or feared ... a future in the workplace). Basic letter writing skills were still considered important, at least in matters of high etiquette like thank-yous to grandparents, etc.😅, and were taught in school at a young age, as well as likely being taught - and certainly reinforced - at home, as well. In fact, we were expected to write home to our parents as we became old enough for the gradual independence of activities like camp, vacations with friends , etc. It was an obligation that made every kid groan, but we were all aware of it. Of course, that's all blanketed in a very middle-class WASPy haze - YMMV. 😉
In fact, in the 60s, and even into the 70s, there were still vestiges of the letter writing culture of my grandmother's day ... when ladies - certainly Southern ladies - would never be without a selection of not only proper stationery, but also fine and lovely notecards to hand for ready communication at a moment's notice. Classic fine laid papers were most formal, but as time wore on, for simpler, "friendly" communications, commercially printed decorative notecards became more and more acceptable. The vestiges of that practice can still be in the aisles of stationers - and even Target - today. They say the art of letter-writing is dead ... debatable - but its beautiful substrate definitely lives on.
21 and learned both cursive and the basic format of a letter in third grade, although we certainly didn't go into much if any detail on different styles for different occasions.
Modern rules are pretty lax in comparison. One gets by quite well as long as one is clear, polite and efficient.
Sealing wax will not go through modern postal machines, I was advised by my local post office to place a letter with sealing wax inside a larger regular envelope.
you could use an ink stamp ........
Modern sealing wax is more flexible than traditional ones. They should be fine. I've never had any problems. I've sent letters to local friends.
My sister had seals made for her wedding invitations. They went through the mail well. The letters traveled across the US from coast to coast.
An alternative is an adhesive wafer.
I got into fountain pens about two years ago and I thought the pens would be the only thing to catch my interest, but now I'm deep in the rabbit hole of pens, paper, and ink! It's a never ending quest to find a combination of all three that is perfect. I've learned so much about paper and it's quality in regards to how well it absorbs ink, and how the ink and pen interact with eachother to create a "wet" or "dry" writing feel. Now I've got far too many pens, far too much ink, and my notebook addiction is in full force.
I've gotten back into writing letters now too and I joined a group of fountain pen pals! It's a lot of fun to be able to write letters again; I grew up in the 90s, before internet and email became mainstream. The only way I had to keep in contact with my friends was by writing letters. You can imagine how consistent that was for a bunch of 10-12 year olds. It's so much easier now as an adult, even with all of the responsibilities that come with having to pay bills and taxes.
Ruby has this knack for posting incredibly educational videos about the most random things.....as a science student, I didn't know 'letter writing etiquette' was a thing or that dashes were so significant in literature,but now I can't imagine life without it haha...
Love you, Ruby💛
5:53 I like how she first puts down a dipping pen, a paper holder, then commences to write, on an iPad XXXD
Just because they expect an email there's no reason not to send a written letter! 😛
In China writing in red ink was used only for when announcing a death. Maybe it has to do.
Mao: "we just run out of red ink"
It's more about red ink being reserved for budgeting/financial affairs, but quite possibly
You would often write at least two drafts of important letters. One, with cross-outs and sloppy handwriting and changes. Then a clean copy in your best hand. Knowing this, informs our understanding of the conversations in Pride and Prejudice about Mr. Bingly always blotting and crossing out half his words, etc.. It shows him to be a lazy and disrespectful correspondent. And when Mr. Darcy stays up all night writing to Elizabeth to justify his actions after the failed proposal, one suspects it took all night because he took the time to make a clean and clear copy. When writing business correspondence, the original draft was often kept and filed as a record of what was sent, and "Draft" was written on it. Filing correspondence, and retrieving old correspondence, was a key skill of a secretary, whether personal or professional. Thomas Jefferson used a "polygraph" which creates multiple copies of a single letter at one time to make several copies which he filed using his own method. This way we have much of his correspondence. This is a rich topic and was so important to everyday interactions between people until the widespread use of the telephone.
There is a video on CZcams of Terry Pratchett talking about his book "going postal" and in it he says that in central London in the Victorian era there where 8 postal delivery's a day, so I think if people didn't burn some letters, they would have a house full of them!
This is the most Hermione Granger vibes and I love it
i thought i was the only one lol
she sounds just like young emma watson
What does this mean?
@@SJHFoto there will be a sequel... maybe
Knowledgeable and noble
Using dip pens rather than fountain pens made good sense. Fountain pens were around for decades before they became reliable. The best of them leaked, burped ink, or simply made words so uneven the page looked horrible. The first reliable fountain pen didn't come along until the late 1880s, and even it was far from perfect. It wasn't until the Conklin Crescent Fill was invented in 1898 that the world had a self-filling fountain pen, which made it far, far more reliable.
Just ordered "Good Form Letter Writing: Its Ethics And Etiquette, With Remarks On The Proper Use Of Monograms, Crests, And Seals (1894)". Can't wait! Thank you.
When I was at uni in the late 70s and early 80s, my friends and I all wrote letters to each other during the holidays when we weren't seeing each other every day. It was a real treat to get one of these letters and I really miss the custom now.
This is the most charming, relaxing and nicest thing I’ve seen on the internet in years. More of this!
My father used to use his signet ring to use on his seals. (I know, amazing that someone in living memory actually used sealing wax)! I noticed your seal got stuck in the wax. One tip my father gave me was to lick the seal (or signet ring) first so that it wouldn't stick to the wax. I suppose in today's era of better hygiene, one could use a little olive oil, or maybe even water on the seal.
I found it so interesting how much you could tell about Victorian culture from the rules around letters. Thanks for another wonderful video Ruby!
I know! I feel like that's the case with etiquette in general -- it's a way for us to understand not only behaviours, but inner dialogues, of people (given how we think some of the rules were just too strict!) x
YES YES YES Ruby's videos on the Study Tube Project are my favourites, please continue talking about literature and victorian things. Sending love
For me it makes so much sense that they tossed most letters. I think if letter writing is basically the only thing you have besides talking letters pile up. Like really really pile up. In a way newspapers do, there's just no room for them and when would you ever read them again. And back then you had a fire around all the time, so the easiest way to get rid of them was to yeet them into the fire. Nowadays most don't have open fire in the home, so burning letters seems dangerous and extreme. Under such circumstances I can understand why they only kept some letters, for example love letters. I feel like today letter writing is something very special. People are very touched and happy when you take the time and effort to write a beautiful letter. I think I like it even more this way. The impact you had with one handwritten letter back then wasn't nearly as big as it would be today.
Very interesting. I was raised in Spanish culture and we were taught to write letters to our relatives in this manner. I still remember how and it's amazing how it matches this etiquette. Thank you it was fun to watch.
As someone who uses a variety of paper weights for art purposes and is just getting into writing with a fountain pen I fully agree on having quality paper and pens. Quality tools make all the difference in any endeavor. I too dislike lines on paper when doing a refined corespondent or “finished works” vs drafting, a good way around that is having a line guide under the paper vs having slightly wavy lines.
When I was in the Army back in the late 1970s, I had a friend who frequently received letters from his grandfather who had studied penmanship probably in the 1920s. His handwriting was so ornate and beautiful, I am surprised that the post office could deliver them.
I hope this makes others buy fountain pens because it is such a worthwhile hobby. Very well done, I particularly liked the opinion on paper quality and will be looking for thick envelopes. You're right, the first thing you will notice is how much care was taken in addressing the envelope and it's feel. To waterproof (rainproof) the address, once blotted or dry, rub a candle over it to leave a layer to shield. I wonder how long their turnaround was for corresponding.
Ruby, sorry, but I think the photo of the penmanship you included in the video isn’t copperplate but spencerian 😅. Spencerian was used in the time of the victorian era too but it was used in America (if I’m not mistaken). Also, I think people would burn their letters because it included private & sensitive topics and they really want to just keep it to themselves and not let anyone know 🤷🏻♀️ and now, people have found the benefit of burning letters because now, old letters are being sold and nobody would want anyone to read their personal letters 😅 but personally, I also would never think of burning letters people sent me.
Close, but the shading on the swells is not exaggerated enough for Spencerian. Her exemplar looks to be Business Penmanship, which is a simplified version of Spencerian. It’s absolutely not Copperplate, though. 😂
issit just me or she sounds like hermione granger or emma watson herself? shsh LOVE
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It's not just you.
Haha her last name is actually Granger
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Thank You so much, this was very refreshing ! I am 70 years old and believe it or not was taught all of these things as a young child in school. Today however, cursive writing is not even taught in most schools in my country, The US 😞😞
This is a clear example of how far our society has fallen,,, But you young lady,, You are a gem.. Thank you for this video.
Well researched. I learned so much in 13 mins. And there was no waffle at all - Good job!
My handwriting is trash... I'll go sob at the corner of my room contemplating "what if I was born in that era?" And cry.
On the contrary, your schooling and peers would have had taught you how to write.
@@ponugups I tried to train my hands to write pretty, I practiced for a year but still, my handwriting could be considered ugly in that era.
@@jewelshaun840 my handwriting used to be passable when I was in school, but after decades of pretty much only typing on a computer keyboard it now looks as if I had never picked up a pen in my life. Even my signature is wonky now! LOL!
Could be worse, imagine being left handed back then
I too won't. Be writing letters to thrill anyone
This is such an interesting topic!
I really appreciate her for taking the time to do the video. I enjoy the education of victorian writing
I've loved all things vintage since forever and I love writing letters. I've been practising my penmanship to make it look more vintage. This is such a great video! Thank you for uploading it!
Dear Lady, this user is very grateful for the nicely put together information given to him by this CZcamsr. Sincereley yours
Love that subtle hint at Dumbledore 😂 great video and very interesting!
This was a lot of fun to watch. I understand that you can breathe on your seal, like you would cleaning your glasses, before pressing it into the wax, and the condensation will help prevent it sticking. I'd love to hear if that works!
I am a letter writer so I found this interesting. I enjoyed your video, and thank you for the link to Wentworth Hamilton's guide!
I have a small box of letters I have kept though the years. I am so glad I kept them. I recently heard that schools in America are not teaching script writing anymore..
Red ink is for marking papers
@@usrower75 once gifted my favorite teacher a set of nice gel ballpoints in various colours for just this purpose ;)
I didn’t know anything about this, It’s always nice to learn something new! ✨
Also loved the little dumbledore reference!! c;
I thoroughly enjoyed hearing you speak of these etiquettes. As a novice script and penmanship enthusiast it is very delightful to hear young people like myself that are interested in the traditions and history of the subject and in history in general. I might add that you are very eloquent and I applaud you for that. Keep it up!
I'm definitely going to get back to this art, it's been a long time, but it's pretty second nature to me. Thankyou for keeping this world alive , it's wonderful.
I absolutely love this . Ruby always choose beautiful things .
I *love* writing letters and this was very insightful.
Thank you so much, Ruby!! 💐
I cannot express how fascinating this video was. Your energy and passion for the subject was so evident and fuelled my interest throughout the video. I absolutely loved it! I love to learn and so, it was so refreshing to see someone as passionate about knowledge as you. Loved the video, and I'm really sad that the channel's been dead for a lot of months now.
Nevertheless, thank you for this video, Ruby, it was really illustrative and enjoyed it from the very second it started down to the last 💞
I’m beyond thrilled to see that you have studied such a long lost & loved topic & that being from someone from such a young generation.Can you imagine receiving a letter to this magnitude, definitely something to be treasured? I still have every letter written to me by close family members. There’s nothing better than receiving correspondence from a loved one that took so much time & effort. Best,M.
Love that etiquette already dictated to give overnight guests the wifi password so they can communicate with home.
I believe the French word etiquette was a reference to an invitation or 'ticket' which gave entree to social events. This would keep out anyone not of the same social class. You might be able to talk the talk but could you walk the walk? Each social class tried to ape its 'betters'. Remember at public assemblies a Master of Ceremonies made the proper introductions. cf Jane Austin
How funny! As a former archivist here in the US, I've read a lot of 19th century letters. What strikes me most about them is that many people couldn't spell (at least according to our standards), and didn't always use punctuation. What's most touching about these letters, though, is how sometimes you can be almost drawn into the peoples' lives. There was one group of correspondence between a husband and wife during wartime about their sick baby. All of us in the archives loved hearing the letters, and we honestly had an emotional reaction when it was announced "Oh, no! The baby died!" It really connects you to someone who lived maybe a century or longer ago.
I expect the spelling difficulties and lack of punctuation are because writing was actually much rarer, compared to nowadays. Now, most of our communication is done in writing - CZcams comments, emails, reading news or websites, texting... We have much more practice in trying to convey tone and intent, and use punctuation to that effect. A less practiced writer might write as they hear themselves speak, so as a stream of consciousness.
I had a lady's traveling chest passed down to me which was supposedly Victorian, but I suspect is actually Regency period. The bottom drawer is removable and folds out into a tiny, slanted writing tray. There's two slots at the top for I'm assuming ink, and a little compartment between these for wax or maybe a pen. I have used it a few times (with protection from ink spills), and it works wonderfully!
Dear Ruby Granger.
I am aware that I am four years late for addressing you and you might not read this message; however, I want to thank you. It has always been hard for me to find something I am truly interested in, but thanks to you, I have discovered the art of letter-writing.
I am deeply grateful for this discovery your influence has caused, and I wanted to take a moment to express my appreciation.
Thank you once again.
I found my people! ~
*Anyways, time to write to my lover who is an army soldier who is in the war.*
My darling girl, etiquette is pronounced 'eticut'. There is no such word as adornishment. It is adornment. Yes, I am far too pedantic for my own good!
I absolutely LOVED this! Subscribed! Xx
A 'ket or 'cut' sound depends on the region of the UK you're from. I'm from Manchester, UK and for me that would be /ˈet.ɪ.ket/
I love that guest rooms would have writing equipment as a necessity.
I'm 70 yrs old and have never considered handing my lovely handwritten missives over to high technology-spell check-font selection-et al etc etc algorithms. I
send forth my handwritten letters to all of my siblings, & the nieces & nephews they have given me, as an example & encouragement in the art of letter writing the old fashioned way. Anyway, they appreciate receiving my letters & get a kick out of writing letters in reply. I just love your video on the etiquette but only wish I could have sent you a handwritten note to tell you. Long comment, wasn't it?
CZcams it is 4am, why have you brought me here? . . . subscribed
I found this because I'm studying 18th century writing now; this is quite a bit later but you would be surprised to learn how much it overlaps.
mac2894 you mean 18th century calligraphy?
@@antoniacosmai6670 No, writing.
I absolutely love this video. I’m so happy this came up on my recommendations! I have recently begun to write letters to friends rather than communicating via media. The use of Victorian letter-writing etiquette is certainly something I hope to incorporate in my future letters! :)
Ruby, thank you for this! It's so interesting, and I love how much it shows that you could go on about this for hours.
I love writing letters!
Thank you so much. I really, really want a fountain pen (because it looks soooo good) but a ballpoint will have to do for now. I love how you sealed the envelope.
One of my friends is a gentleman so I guess my letters are going to have to be really good.😄
You should really invest in getting and learning to use a fountain pen. It becomes so touching
@@pfyiadministration1263 This is an old comment and I still stand! I have sent many letters to my friend overseas but thinking of finding a pen pal.
I've no words to describe this ruby really it is Mermazing!!❤️❤️ Thank you so much for this video! Now i could think of something new during quarantine😅 i really love the idea of handwriting and how to use pens and to write letters it's all so interesting!! It will help me a lot in writing letters! And specially how to end the letter by writing yours or sincerely.. Also i didn't know it wrong to write i hope though it doesn't make any sense for me but i was writing it anyways😂 so thank you so so much again ruby hope you are having a lovely day so far! ❤️
I am glad to see someone actually can write in cursive without detaching the tip of the writing utensil to write down a whole word. After I am finished writing the entire word then I add the additional parts of the words like the horizontal line in the letters t and i.
Great. I hated the electronics, but such intrudes everywhere. Many people did save their letters, particularly love letters, and the letters they saved are one of our best windows to the best. Better in some ways than journals and diaries.
This was fascinating to learn more about, thank you! I personally love writing letters but I am evidently guilty of making several Victorian etiquette mistakes. At least I don't write in red!
This girl reminds me way to much of Hermione Granger when she talks.
Very charming video. I've recently taken up fountain and dip pen writing and slowly building up a group of relatives and friends as pen pals. I always look forward to spending the time to sit down, select a pen, and ink and the paper. My group goes from my 6 year old grandson to my 80 year old college philosophy professor. Keep up the good work and stay safe. Mark
Thank you for the time you spent researching this as well as the time you spent making then posting the video. I truly enjoyed this.
This is pretty cool to learn.
beautiful, ruby! very interesting! amazing amazing amazing, well done :)
I have been laughing so hard because I was taught a lot of these rules in elementary school in my rural home in Western North Carolina! What a fun topic! Thank you 😁
I literally think almost all Wentworth's rules should actually still be relevant to this day. They make sense in a weird but very cool way!
Especially the part about the wax color's and the inside joke's. 🤌🏼❤️🧘🏻♀️
In Canada, where walnut trees rum rampant, it wasn't uncommon for the more impoverished to write with walnut ink, which dries a mid-to-light brown colour
So 90% of the population?
5:06 Timestamp of the calligraphy chart.
What a generous compliment for Wentworth Hamilton. May all men be blessed to be thus described.
The old letters written to my grandfather are a treasure. I cannot read them, that is for the future. Some were sent from one ancestor to another while in Germany. Others were international, differences in addressing, who the letter was from differed on those as well.
Have actually started to write with a dip pen and refillable fountain pen for enviromental reasons. :)
Yeah I still get annoyed if someone hands me something written in red pen lol. Guess that one carried over
Red makes people mad
I'm of the enthusiastic opinion that we should definitely reintroduce this practice into society at least among family and friends. A movie or show needs to find a way to make it trendy enough that it becomes a common place meme or something Lol. I would so treasure a hand written letter, especially from a loved one.
I loved learning about the greetings and closing etiquette. Any fan of the musical Hamilton knows the song "Your Obedient Servant" which was based on a series of letter written between Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr. It's not the Victorian era but I always laugh because they are basically telling each other off but in the most poetic and flowery language possible before signing off with "I have the honor to be, Your Obedient Servant" Hamilton is refusing to apologize for all the nasty things he's publicly said about Burr but he makes darn sure his letter sticks to conventional etiquette.
I didn't know I've been writing that way..
This just made me want to be alive during the Victorian times
I don't think you, as a woman, would have enjoyed it much😅
@@JohnVianneyPatron now that I think about it, I wouldn't have 😂
@@JohnVianneyPatron I mean I would. Women hardly had to do anything lol
@@user-oo6vr1ky5f well, as usual, the rich had it better. I doubt we’d enjoy being peasants and die due to lack of...everything.
This is honestly one of the best if not the best video I have seen on CZcams!! I’m so glad that people still value and are interested in learning the importance of letter writing and penmanship just like the Victorians, it’s so refreshing to see other young people like me into this kind of thing! Thanks for sharing Ruby :)
Excellent presentation executed with verve, in the same class as an "unputdownable" read. Thank-you.
How lovely that you held this Victorian dinner party for your friends to partake in...
A labor of joy and love...and lots of planning and hard work as well...
Cheers to you ~
Me: finds a rare smart person on the internet whom shares my fascination with the victorian period: *subs*
her own channel is Ruby Granger if you’re interested
.. so this is how I’m spending my 4 am today.. nice
Same
We think there were so many rules, yet we have the 1100 page long Chicago Manual of Style.
An excellent, informative and well presented video. So good infact, that I feel the need to unearth my pens and set to once again.