5 Mishandled SA Cases the Mormon Church Doesn’t Want You to Know About
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- čas přidán 4. 12. 2023
- Daily Mail article written by Miles Dilworth, exposes 5 cases of SA that were grossly mishandled by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. In doing so, it clearly presents a pattern that illustrates the LDS church cares more about its reputation and its image than it does its members' safety and wellbeing.
We will discuss what the article presents about each case and our thoughts as it pertains to cults and mind control manipulation.
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Find the article here: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12732055/mormon-church-leaders-accused-sexual-abuse-incest-cover-up.html
I think the overarching problem is two-fold. First, there is the persistent fear that church discipline will expose the lie that leaders don’t possess a special gift of discernment. Second, the church’s biggest priority is protecting itself from bad publicity.
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They’ve adopted a similar method to the catholic church of receiving and managing complaints, & deterring victims from going to the police. Its purpose is to limit the churches liability. but in the process actually significantly increases the churches liability, as they knowingly expose others to SA offenders.
@@jackstar7000 That’s despicable.
We need class action lawsuits against the church for as many of these cases as possible.
When my ex became bishop, I was talking to one of the wives of one of his counselors, whom I considered a friend, and she made a remark that really rubbed me the wrong way. She said, "I'm so glad that [my husband] will never be called as bishop." I asked, "Why do you think he'll never get called?" Her reply, "Because as a police officer, he's a mandatory reporter." I just remember thinking to myself, 'And that's a bad thing because...?'
Does she not get that we all are mandatory reporters
@@tawneenielsen4080morally yes we should be, but LEGALLY certain people by profession are mandatory reporters.
The "Gift" of Discernment is a complete myth in the LDS church.
You have helped countless people by making this atrocity public. Thanks, both of you!
Thank you for continuing to talk about abuse. We need more voices.
I can’t believe they LOBBIED to keep from having to report these cases…
I was forced to convert at 12 because my dad wanted to get with a Mormon woman. That fell through but being a kid I fell for that shit until I was 20. Then fought them for years to let me resign and stop contacting me. My husband never understood my loathing for the cult of ladder day saints, until I got him to read rough stone rolling and the ces letter.
To understand about the laws surrounding confessions, Mormon Stories Podcast had a great stream yesterday. It is a horrible law, but understanding what it is hopefully helps us take actions to change it.
Here in Arizona, it has been known for years about the silent incestuous behavior within some Mormon families. The females and wives in the family kept silent due to the dominance of the Priesthood Holder/Fathers they felt they had to protect. So sick within a so-called righteous and holy religion.
LDS Inc. -controls- ...um...has a lot of "influence" in Arizona, in case anyone's wondering.
C2C, you are so very brave and such a powerful example of what empowerment looks like. The rotten core of the LDS Church is finally being revealed because of people like you. As a survivor of SA, Incest, and much more from my Father, who was Catholic, I feel for every one of these victims. Good for you for being a champion of the ones who couldn't speak.
Sounds like this has happened repeatedly over time... Hiding those who have been harmed, and ignoring the victims appears to be the policy of the LDS church! 😮
This is disgusting but it's not a surprise. I grew up in Boise, Idaho which is very Mormon. I was actually born Mormon, baptized, and then luckily my mom woke up. I was then raised Quaker but that's a whole other story... lol. (It was fine, very progressive church and no issues.)
Because Boise is so filled with Mormons, a lot of my friends were Mormon and I knew even from a young age that something was very wrong with this picture. (I grew up in the '70s and '80s... I'm really old.)
Fathers that were a little too possessive, daughters that were obviously being abused but we didn't talk about things like that back then.
When are people going to understand there are not different levels of heaven. You don't need a secret handshake or special underwear to get through the gates... It's ridiculous!
I'm LDS and I even wonder why we don't understand that you don't need to buy your way into heaven, no different then a good parent would expect their children to buy their love
Heavy but very necessary. Thanks for talking about this, I'm glad its being shared widely.
I kept my children and myself far away from organized religion, and I feel good about it in this moment.
WAIT... He was only found out because they found a recording online? WHICH MEANS HE RECORDED IT? AND THEN UPLOADED IT ONLINE?!?!
Yes the authorities in Australia found it first.
Exactly
I really love the awareness you are being to this Shelise ❤
I did not grow up Mormon, but I grew up very conservative with my dad as a pastor. Thankfully I didn’t have to deal with this, but I’ve heard of this from ex Mormon friends of mine
From someone who will never see their m0lester held accountable, he was a cop, it helps and heals me to hear you and your guests sharing stories of healing and accountability, even if it's still ongoing. Never be quiet. You never know who you might be helping ❤
This reminds me of the JWs and how their mishandling of SA cases got them royally slammed in the courts when it was discovered that they knew of gross misconduct, but opted for the Chernobyl approach instead. I can believe that a lot of religious and quasi-religious organizations are guilty of the same thing.
They did silence my parents. part of the settlement from the church was that my parents had to sign ndas
That’s awful. I’m so sorry.
My heart is broken for all these victims. I would love a deeper dive and perhaps an explanation as to why the victims and their families are reliant upon the Bishops to call the police why are the families not calling the police? Like in the California case, the family knew something happened and reported to the bishop not the police why?
The doctor one reminds me of the Larry Nassar case.
Just starting the video, that sleeping puppy is absolutely precious!!
Please keep shining a light and giving voice to the rampant sexual abuse happening within the church.
This shit infuriates me like nothing else. Americans, and religious folks specifically, are not walking all of the “protect the children talk”, not even close. We need nationwide legislation to fix this priest-penitent privilege bullshit. Thanks for providing a space to safely discuss this and get the information out there ♥️
I don’t understand why in this day and age why people are covering up SA know matter who and where, they should all be prosecuted even the church for not doing anything 🤬🤬🤬
My mum became a Jehovah's Witness when I was fifteen. There are a few cultish aspects to their organisation but they seem, in the main, to be really nice people. I was somewhat chagrined to lose Christmas and birthdays aged just fifteen but I was too old to have to be required to join with my mum. She didn't even bother asking if it interested me at fifteen. She knew I'd inevitably believe that it was all palpable nonsense. I did look at the Jehovah's Witnesses literature when I was a bit lost and at a low ebb in my mid-twenties but it read as very hokey and more than a little daft. Lions eat grass in the "New System" where nothing unpleasant ever happens like carnivores eating other animals. I pondered how far that idea went with crocodiles et cetera and I decided it was all too silly. Regardless of how rudderless and completely lacking in any appreciable sense of direction, I felt around that time. The JWs are good at finding depressed, lower-working-class housewives like my mum. You'll find them on council estates all over the British Isles. My mum is an intelligent person and she still fell for that stuff. But poor people need something to cling to. They always have. And therein lies the secret.
My great grandfather was sent to prison for child SA. I remember when i was a little i remember 2 adults talking about it. I remember them saying the reason was because my GREAT grandparents had been SA. They were both members. They didn't get excommunicated from what i remember. I remembered as a kid wondering how deep this goes. I guess it goes all the way back to Joseph Smith or something. So yucky. I don't think this is a new problem.
If a Bishop or the man above the Bishop take a childs virginity, is it difficult for that girl to marry? Does the man who violated her admit to making her "impure"? Does possible future husband ask who she was with or is assumed its her fault for "enticing" the man ? Thank you for all you do. Enough is enough. Too many predators and no one protecting women and children.
@aprilbennett540. Girls in the mormon church are taught that even thinking anything sexual let along having had any sexual experiences that we were like a licked cupcake (worthless) and that no one would want us. We were also taught that it was our responsibility to not have men think about us or covet us. We were also taught that any sexual acts before marraige were akin to murder. It was always the girls that need to repent from being SAd it was never the person committing the SA. They protect abusers.
When you can’t say the r word, not just on the web, but especially in public, you know there is a problem larger than triggers. SNL did a skit w/Kate McKinnon where her character told of a time in the 50s when they had a code word for SA. She went on to share that code word, which turned out to be the actual R word itself, insinuating nothing was done about it regardless of what one called it. It’s been mishandled, if handled at all, for decades. Exposure and Awareness is everything. Thanks for bringing these tough things to light. Allowing and Perpetuating it while teaching from the pulpits that one should protect their “virtue” with their life, if necessary, is nothing short of monstrous. I neglected mentioning punching a gay, or wishes of having a missionary return in a box rather than coming home without their virtue, since that sentence already has too many things wrong with it. Blame reversal, misuse of the word “virtue”, lack of accountability, victim shaming, miseducation, lying, etc. I hope those claiming discernment wake up and take stewardship and accountability seriously. Bizarre use of tax free revenue imho. Thanks y’all for doing the hard work for change.
In your videos i am used to deeper conversations. This time i really missed that. I am sorry for that.
Lots of ❤️ Nancy anyway, because i'll keep supporting you anyway 😉.
I love your blog but today was hard. Just sitting here crying for everyone who lost their innocence. Had no idea that this would be so triggering. Keep talking and sharing the truth!!!
This was a tough one to get thru. But thank you for keeping the light on.
Being a survivor of SA by Catholic clergy from age 3 to 16 because I was taken away from my birth parents adopted out to white anglo Saxon Catholics who got the same type of training to defend the religion. I have to thank you for exposing this ongoing atrocity that has been around for a long long time. I'm 75. If you want stories of SA please see the data on Native American woman and men. We could use the help seeing as its roots are found in Colonialism brought by the Christian religion as a whole. It is trauma to the survivors and to the religion as a whole on a global scale.
I am so sorry for you.
Please do your best to heal.
The LDS church had* a program called "The Indian Placement Program", I wonder how many cases of abuse happened there, like you're talking about.
@@Zelph_undying Their goal was to assimilate 50,000 and if you consider cultural genocide abuse then the number of abuse cases are at least in the tens of thousands..
@@Zelph_undying BTW had the supreme court decided to end ICWA (Indian child welfare act) the cultural genocide would have started all over again except this time Native reactions to it would not be the same as they were in the past.
@@Zelph_undying Ooopsy the overlord moderation didn't like me using the word that begins with a G and ends with CIDE to describe what they did to the culture of at least tens of thousands of Native children because their goal was to assimilate 50,000. If you consider that to be the A word ending in BUSE then it is safe to say at least tens of thousands got at least one form of the word beginning with A and ending in BUSE.
Yes, unfortunately it's the family members that you're closest to that are the abusers. Great episode. Great episode. Thanks for keeping us informed.
Thanks for watching!
This is so reminiscent of the last church (that I later realized was a cult) I was part of. I live in a mandatory reporting state, and I'm also a mental health counselor and am required by license to report. I discovered a situation with an infant while working in the nursery and informed the children's pastor that I would need to report it (as a courtesy), and I was essentially threatened not to. They wanted to "handle it internally." They were literally trying to force me to compromise my license and my integrity. I knew then that something about that place was off but was so entrenched I stayed another 4 years until COVID gave me a way out.
Thank you for sharing where the YT About Section went. Was wondering what happened, I really appreciate it!!
I'm an ex-mo. I think that my great grandfather was a pedo. No hard evidence, no one in our family will talk about it to me. I'm putting the pieces together slowly. He was never punished. My mom is dead now. I think she was a victim. It makes me so angry.
I like how your husband said "Expose these cases" so important! Basically speaking up about it.
There was this family in my ward growing up that I was friends with the oldest sisters and my brothers were friends with the oldest brothers. The dad of this family was bishop at one point and my mom and I got creepy vibes from him. My mom was the Young Woman’s president when the guys was bishop and he was hard to work with. He didn’t want to hear what any woman had to say. We found out a few years ago from my brothers since they were friends with the oldest boys that the dad had sexually abused the oldest girls I was friends with. Yet he was able to be the bishop.
More pressure needs to be put on the church for education for the men!! Yes, they need to be held accountable for reporting any abuse they may be aware of. More than fines, but serious jail time for church elders who are sitting on information for whatever reason. Also in that, the church itself should be held criminally accountable if their members commit SA! This will motive them to educate the men and monitor them closely more than anything else! More needs done to provide safe ways for all people to report abuse.
Not only jail time, but to be forever barred from holding any position in the church.
I feel exactly the opposite:
WOMEN need to be educated and told they are the BEST, MOST CHERISHED and UNIQUE beings on earth ! Nobody is allowed to hurt them in any way !
If a man does that, or looks at them funny, or touches them inappropriately they should scream and defend themselves.
Men are SCARED of women because we can create LIFE like GOD !
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Who is more worth ? A man or a woman ?!
God is bringing it to the surface and expose the churches that are bad
Of course all of these cases are heartbreaking and cruel, but the one from California is even more frustrating to me. As a California resident and teacher (mandate reporter), that excuse was BS! You don’t even need evidence to file a report. Even if you overhear or are told second hand information you NEED TO report it 😠
We just finished a live with the couple from that story!
I am loving the purple background Shelise
What an adorable dog. Great show covering a difficult subject.
You guys should do an interview with Mark O'Donnell to discuss JW CSA
I've heard some bizarre details about Mormonism. But it tends to be the more outlandish things that stick in your mind.
Job well done!
Frankly with all the information coming to light over the past few years I have no idea how people are still members of this "church", even new converts. I feel bad for them.
The MD should have been reported to the medical board of the state where he was licensed!!!
There are a couple of cases that the group forces incest upon siblings. Rolling back statute of limitations so that 30 years later a teenager who had sex with a preteen, only as part of parental grooming and also potential for future extortion can now happen even when the person has never done this afterward and left the cult. Law Breaking is a way to blackmail them later
What does that mean? Do they allow them to do those criminaked acts so they can force them to stay in the church and do stuff for them? Is that how those cults keep them in?
The Zion Society forced the older girls to teach the younger girls how to please a man by having sex with them using sex toys. Not too many 18 year olds after the cult is over are going to be safe admitting they had sex with a little kids So the answer is yes, but they only learn it is crime when it is too late.@@saschamayer4050
as a former member of this corrupt Mormon cult, I still attend it to be with friends who treated me well but I unfortunetly was SAed by a member in the YSA ward I was sadly SAed twice by him and I not only told my grandmother she advised me to tell my bishop who has since been released last year they did nothing but instead they sustained him to be on the FHE committee I was super upset and it was clearly wrong on multiple party's levels
I’m so sorry to hear that!❤️
@@CultstoConsciousness I’d like to be a guest on this show and share my story about my 20 year history/story of the horrors of the LDS Church
Your pup looks like a Doxie I was going to adopt but didn't because his foster family decided to keep him. I get to walk him 3 times a week, and he visits my house every so often. I just love that little dog. ❤
At very beginning of Mormonism all leaders should have had discernment about Joseph Smith, and Brigham Young ?
So much for the moral compass of the Mormon church 😢
I watched the stream with Nemo the Mormon talking about the case with the pos that sa’d his daughters. It made me angry that the church proclaims to be against abuse but on the other hand they fight hard to not have to report abuse at all. They don’t give a flying fuck about victims. They only care about money and protecting their reputation
When a crime has been committed, call the POLICE!!!!! PERIOD. Then hire an Attorney who is not a Mormon. PLEASE!!!!
You are doing the lord's work😀❤💯🧠🦊
Please tell me that this doctor has had his medical license revoked. He assaulted multiple, multiple women. Outrageous.
Or when the bishop IS the perpetrator!
I wonder if the case with the Dr was taken to the police because it would also involve a medical board action as well which I'm guessing is, in part at least, outside the church.
I wonder if anyone has been exed or threatened to be exed if they went to the law and or sued.
Another "why now" answer can be found looking at our collective astrology and what's going on in the stars. For real, it's been a bit since I looked at it but I believe Pluto's transit is who to look towards for this topic.
Both of you are really good at dancing. ❤
This is how you end up with a crazy amount of predators in your community. It's a safe haven that is just going to attract people who want to be able to get away with things and have access to vulnerable people
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14:50 Stake president? He's had his second anointing. They can't/won't hold a church court for this.
Kirton McConkie 😮
Where is the mother in all this?
She doesn't have any option.
She is being kept pregnant as she has been brainwashed into popping babies like a rabbit ... 🐇🐰
And they take a lot of money & effort to feed ...
She's just too tired to care.
Probably being abused and frightened herself...
OMG OSCAR¨
I actually didn't see him until he was mentioned
Im not Mormon nor Catholic but im repulsed by the stories of the SA from leaders of these churches. I know it happens from many other places but its appalling that it occurs within churches. And/or is covered up by them.
Laws shoud be changed that at least the Churches must get invoved. Get the abuser out of the house.
18 degrees of disgusting doesn't cut it.
All churches desire to hide behind the curtain. Fortunately God sees all.
SA has been going on for years and when reported, no matter the denomination, it gets pushed under the rug. It is one reason I have stopped going to church. The hypocrisy is intense, so just easier to stay home and worship, albeit I know God desires that we all worship together, unified and pure.
You got to be kidding right??? God sees all, but does nothing and just let the perpetrators go on to their next victim.
Yeah let’s all praise him, hallelujah
I love Oscar Weiner boy! 😘💙💙
Same as Jehovah’s Witnesses; you do not want to “bring reproach on Jehovah”
the reason you should never ever force people to break their silence is because you risk the victim comitting suicide. best study up.
Excommunicating members, especially publically adds to people's negative views of the Church.
Mainstream Christian denomations rarely excommunicate. I am not aware of one in my 60 years of my Catholic upbringing and association with many Catholics. CC doesnt track a followers' life. One's faith is personal.
Shunning is not a concept in the CC. Seriously, I didn't know shunning had a specific name. Of course, I knew individuals were capable.
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In the name of cheese and rice, amen.
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Wait, but, it only just started. But you know the Daily Mail is a tabloid, right?
and that automatically makes it false?
I hate to be this type of person but screw. What the lawyer's in the church says? What kind of person bishop reverend anyone who takes confession from other People sit by and hear someone say oh i've been S a ing my children And wrestles with the knowledge of knowing that and not saying something to authorities, regardless if they're required by law or not. Like maybe it's because I'm a mom. Maybe it's because I endured. That type of abuse from a so-called family member when I was a child. But if I was in that type of position in which I heard people's confession. And they were like. Oh I did this well as soon as i left church. That day. Be oh, I'm calling the proper authorities. Because I'm a person and I have a conscience. It's be d***** what the church thinks or whether they're gonna kick me out or not. What about the about vitcums safety? Maybe because I didn't grow up in a high controlled reli. Don't have that aspect or that fear. But someone has always told me. There is a difference between a religious person. And a spiritual person, a religious person will do what they are told by their religion. A spiritual person will do what is right.
Just sayin
We dont have confessions in the latterday saint church listen to latterday saint podcasts and learn the truth
Interesting. I grew up in the LDS church. In Utah. Absolutely there are confessionals, but they are called bishop’s interviews or worthiness interviews.
We know there aren't confessions. However the church used the confessional argument (in reference to Bishop interviews) assert that they did not have to report sexual predators to law enforcement. They brought it all the way to the Arizona Supreme Court and won.
It's all BS nit being able to report SA or R It's disgusting!
The laws need to change!
When you choose to not live the teachings of the bible own it and dont blame the church who are only trying to help you feel worthy to one day stand in heaven on judgement day and hear jesus say to you well done you good and faithful servant you cant take the money your making with you get the christmas spirit of love before your hate speech distroys you
the church isn't trying to help anyone reach heaven. just protecting white men down here on earth.
The Amish is the same way.
We have done many episodes on the amish
As a survivor of SA why are you apologetic about speaking about the details? It is! You need to stop adding negativity. Bring in unapologetic fresh air to a hard subject. Thank you
Move on don't spend your time talking about your former church
Victims, and those brave enough are allowed to report on many different misdeeds perpetrated by their/former churches. How else can they improve their behavioural practices and start to protect those still in the church community.
You want to sweep all of this under the carpet, and stick your fingers in your ears going lalalala nothing to see here.
Talk about being a hypocrite, and an enabler!!!
I spend time talking about groups that continue to harm people. Not just my former church. No one tells me to stop talking about Scientology. Except maybe current Scientologists…
Liars lying. Fake story. Cher said it best.
prove it.
Go read. Try using your brain.
@CultstoConsciousness have you tried to talk to @GrowingUpinPoligomy ?
Yes we have done a live and a video with them!