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This is a quick review of the Faber-Castell 9000 graphite drawing pencils. I also mention the Staedtler Mars Lumograph 100 drawing pencils and make some comparison between the two pencil sets.
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I love the staedtler mars lumographs. Just opening the tin and looking at them lets you know you have quality. The feel of them in the hand especially. Their grades stamped on every side.
Yes I agree, yesterday I bought some of these by units and the lumograph 8b is the best pencil I ever used. I also love a caran d'ache 3b I have, is soo smooth but ridiculously expensive. The Faber 9000 I got was a 5b and what I liked was that is easier to get a very sharp point for precision lines. Then I got a lumograph Black 6b which has a different feel with lots of carbon in the mix great for more expressive artwork but not good for precision. The lumograph has a beautiful balance between smoothness and sharpness, and gets really dark. If I would have to be left with just one pencil would be hands down the lumograph 8b because you have all the range from light grey to almost black in one tool. They are priced normally not like caran d'ache ( I would have to try out the 9b they have but I can't imagine such a big difference to justify the price). Great video. Cheers to all my fellow artists 👍🥂👌
Oh boi, wait till you try the 12B Lumograph 😁
I bought both in the 12 pencil set and after trying both side by side , I found that the Faber Castell pencils was the best . The lead is much smoother .
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Yes the castell is smoother but moist . I love castell as they are lighter and thinner and even seem a slight better for detail but I like a dry graphite. Just a personal thing. Sometimes I just prefer to draw with staedtler cause it feels more like a pencil if that makes sense. I love both and some days I prefer one or the other.
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It is interesting how varied our opinions can be. I don't hate the Lumograph 100 pencils, they just don't fit my drawing style as well as some other pencils. If I had to choose just one set of brand name pencils, it would be General's. I use H pencils a good deal most than most of the artists I know. Maybe a couple use them as much, or more. I love the almost invisible shading I get with a high H pencil, I love how I can soften the glare white of some paper without it being noticeable, and I love how I can use such a pencil as a base coat that lets me control the shading of a soft pencil without the need to use excess pressure. There are times when shadows aren't black at all. Shadow come in all sorts of tones when the light passes through something that is also opaque, or when the light bounces around enough before reach the object you're drawing, etc.
It's just the way I see, the way I draw, but I love using a high H pencil for some types of shading, or even for softening the edges of dark shadows when I see this happening. For years, many years, I never went above 5H, and often not harder than 3H, but now I frequently use a 7H, and sometimes even the 9H.
Anyway, General's go from 9H to 9XXB, and while I seldom go above 6B, when I do go higher with General's, I don't seem to get nearly as much shine as I do from other brands. Ninety percent of the time, I stay at 3H to 6B. Sometimes an H, a 2B, and a 4B is all I need. But I love have the wide range available.
But I don't have to pick one brand, and my favorite set of pencils is a mix of several brands.
This said, I have two sets of extremely cheap Chinese pencils that I love. I like them every bit as much as any of the big brands I own. A Chinese friend handed me one to write something down, and I was stunned by how smooth it was, and by the tone. It was a 2B, and he told me it was just a standard pencil used for a number of things at Uni, and in the government. At the time, it cost just under a nickel. Then I tried his art pencils, also an extremely cheap Chinese brand, and I loved them. I couldn't wait to get home and tell my artist friends. That's when I learned several of them already knew, and had been using them for quite a whil. But they were afraid to tell anyone because they feared trolls, and even feared the possibility of losing commissions.
I'm old, so I don't care. I love my Chinese pencils.
I’d love to try some of those Chinese pencils. If you have information on what to look for and where to get them, please advise.
You have the most soothing voice, watching your videos puts me to sleep and that’s a good thing 😂
Thanks! It's a great thing if it means you'll also sleep through the ads rather than click them off. ;-b
I’ve been using Derwent for years but I think I’ll give the Staedtler a try. Thanks for the advice. Best art materials reviewer I’ve seen so far.
Thanks a bunch for saying that. Most appreciated. I try. My personal favorite, in case your interested, are the Mitsubishi Hi-Uni for graphite unless you are willing to spring for the high priced Grafwood's which are elite. For darks, the 9xxB and the Lumograph Blacks, along with General's Carbon and some good soft to ex-hard charcoal pencils (no specific brand).
@@RixCanDoit Thanks for the advice. Just ordered a set of the Mitsubishi Hi-uni after reading the reviews on Amazon. A gift to myself for my 50th birthday 🥳
Comparing a lumograph 6B and 9000 6B you can clearly see the lead of the lumograph is probably like 70% thicker. It really matters to me because I want more lead, not more wood
I hear that!
Thanks a lot for making this review. I know I made the right choice then.
footiedavanas You're welcome. Glad I could help. :-)
Thank you for the great review I’ve been stuck on these for quite some time! I just discovered your channel today and its full of great advice. Keep up the great work :)
Glad I could help!
I was in a store the other day and wanted to by the farber version for the exact same reasons that you showed: the sheen being present in the darker B values and the fact that they do not go as dark as the staedler. They only had the Staedler so I ended up buying only an HB, and told the person in the store that I did not want the darkness of the staedler. But I had to look it up, it made me unsure if I really knew the "tools" and preference of my art, so thanks for this review, I feel a little redeemed.
Nobody likes that 'sheen' you get with dark graphite. But on the flip side, if you are into realism as I am, you NEED to go dark. So what can you do? With graphite, you add layers lightly to achieve the darkest tones it can provide. But even better, use a hybrid pencil like the Staedtler Blacks or General's 9xxb pencil. What I also like to do is use charcoal in my graphite drawings for the really dark areas. Another thing you can do is to spray a workable fixative on it after you're done and take off much of the sheen. Also, putting the drawing under glass works well, like when framing. Thanks for commenting!
@@RixCanDoit Oh man, my brain must not have been working properly while writing my previous comment, I ment to write that I wanted the farber for the opposite reason: I really like the sheen, and either enhance this glossiness by going over with a harder H pen creating textures, or erase streaks of it with the smudging of a dirty eraser. The steeper incline in darkness and loss of sheen in the staedler makes my drawings look "disparate" (as if i have used different mediums in the same drawing, if that makes sense) For the longest of times I also tried to find a fixative that would not remove the sheen, eventually I gave up. Anyways, thanks for your comment and the tips regardless, Its truly a fascinating medium, the depth of techniques and ridiculously ease-of-use. It inspired me to watch and read your comment, take care! / Martin
@@thunbergmartin No worries, although I cannot fathom why you'd want sheen. I've never seen a situation where it makes the drawing look better, only worse. But then, art is a subjective thing to begin with. All the best!
I’m a Castell boy myself if there are any others out there
Thank you ever so very much for this lovely and helpful video. I was wearing between the two, I’m an established painter, but, need to become disciplined in drawing and am in the process of supplying up. I found this super helpful and also as an aside, I really like your easy nature. Cheers!
Glad you liked the video and appreciate the 'aside'. :-)
RixCanDoit thank you! I’m now stalking my postie whilst I await my new supplies! So exciting!
Great comments. It looks like you nailed it. 👍🏻
What about the Tombow Mono 100 / Tombow Mono Professional / Mitsubishi Hi-Uni? 🤔
I know this is a fairly old review. I bought a 9000 8B yesterday and my testing indicates it is a shade darker than the current graphite staedtler Lumograph 9B.
Thanks for the informative review Rix.
Staedler out their carbon in the lumograph black series now
Hi. Is the Staedtler better than Faber's legendary Palomino (though massively expensive)?
Make sure you say this is my opinion to avoid any backlash heehee, great review wonderful happy drawing , love you brother!
LOL! Yeah. But hey, they'll find something anyway. Might as well live on the edge.
Recently I've talked with a girl who have finished art academy about painting. I was very surprised when she told that real artist will never use anything but pencils when drawing, no blending stumps, no paper, nothing, only pencil and correct layers of grafite that's it. I think there is no such thing as incorrect drawing, the important thing is final result. What you think?
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I agree with you. I disagree with her. She has a strong opinion on what is art and no doubt her instructor put that thought in her head. Art is your creation. Art is appreciated by the eyes of others.
Art is in the eye of the beholder not the artist?Can an artist be a beholder?Sure.
Sounds like she was up herself...what about the REAL artists of the renaissance who didn't have fuckn pencils , using only chalk and charcoal ? Sounds to me like you were talking to a dumb bitch , mate. When she bends over , is there any sun shining out of her arse mate? LOL
I kept using STEADLER i do love them but i was looking for pencils with more smoother shading which are giving more graphite to the paper. Now i get to hear that the FC are not better than the lumographs :D Derwents maybe?
GSix Zes Keep in mind that this is simply an opinion. Everyone has their own preference. Are Staedtler better than brand x and y? For me, I find they cover pretty much all I need. But those other brands are good too, and for some people better than Staedtler. You really have to test them out for yourself. The thing I like most about the Lumograph 100 is their dark range is darker than the others.
+RixCanDoit oh yes. anyways i like you video. what do you think about the caran d'acha grafwoods?
GSix Zes Thank you. Glad you like them. I have not tried the Grafwoods. They are pricey though.
+RixCanDoit I use the grafwoods - I started with derwent graphic and then went straight to grafwood (my shop doesn't do the staedtler range)... but the difference between grafwood and derwent is huge - the grafwoods are so so smooth - I am British by the way; derwent products are absolutely everywhere here, but by comparison the derwents feel rough and grainy - coarse bits of clay appear periodically (which scratch the paper) extremely annoying - the grafwood is like butter! like cream! like silk!!
+TheSuda I have a complete set of Derwents, along with several other brands. The Derwents are everywhere here (US) also. I'm not a big fan of them, especially due to their ONYX pencils (see my video on that fiasco). As for their drawing pencil kit, the black paint with orange end stripe is nice, but never find myself reaching to use them. Not my favorites either.
I appreciate your mentioning the grafwoods. I would think they would have to be exceptional, considering they want an arm and a leg for them! I like cream, and butter, and wear silk ties! So maybe I should treat myself on these. Thanks!
I'm considering moving onto better brands after using the relatively cheap Apsara pencils and I have a choice between
Derwent Graphic Soft and Staedtler Mars Lumograph, which ones should I buy?
Speaking for myself, Staedtler hands down.
Apsara focuses mainly on writing pencils, and that is their strong point. They don't cater to the professional drawing category and make only basic drawing pencils.
Staedtler Lumograph black is highly recommended.
Thank you for the thoughtful review
My pleasure!
Thanks for the great review. My tin of staedtler mars lumograph doesn’t have 100 written on it-is there a difference in the tin you were reviewing?
You might have a different set. Can't say for sure.
Question: Since I draw portraits and need a pencil that can easily smudge with a q-tip to blend delicate skin tones .... plus I need the darkest darks without sheen on like dark hair, can I use Lumograph over, on top of regular graphites in some areas? Will it adhere permanently without problems? I have a commission to do and must be sure my work is archival. Thanks! Love your video!
I have been using the 9000s and like them. I’m definitely going to try the lumigraph 100s. What is your opinion of the Lumigraph black pencils and the Faber Castell matt? Thank you.
I like the Lumo black. I've yet to the FC matt.
thanks for your advice :)))
+Aamir Artist You're welcome!
I think the main rule is not including caran dache which I haven't tried that as long as you get mitsubishi hi uni, faber fastell, satedtler, or tombow mono 100 you cannot go wrong
Caran d Ache is a real premium drawing pencil and pricey. Top-notch. I can't bring myself to use them because their so expensive.
GOOD PENCEL
How do the staedtler stack up against caran d'ache ?
Staedtler Mars Lumographs are great drawing pencils. The Caran's are luxury drawing pencils. You can achieve the same results with either, but the Caran's are considered the elite.
CDA commits daylight robbery while offering the same quality with some luxury feel. Thats all.
Any idea how a final fixative spray will react to the statedler mars lumograph? Thanks for the insightful review by the way :)
It will keep your drawing from smearing and remove any glare it may have.
@@RixCanDoit okay awesome! I have some experience using it on faber castell's. I just wasnt sure how the carbon and whatever special materials inside the mars lumograph would react to the spray. But if it works with the spray, then ill get these! Thanks
@@robertyoung406 Its entirely up to you. I won't interfere with your decision. Sir, you can go ahead and make the purchase. I don't understand why you felt that I had an objection. By the way does a zebra have white stripes or black stripes? I will take your word for it.
Hey bro which is better Staedler or Mitsubishi hi-uni?
Apples and oranges. They're not the same. Staedtler Mars Lumograph contains carbon infused graphite for their darkest b pencils, making them darker than other pencil sets. If I could only have one of these two, I'd go with the Staedtler for this reason only. Both sets are very high quality graphite.
@@RixCanDoit They now removed the carbon and made a different version of staedtler pencils with carbon [Mars Lumograph black]. Now the Mars Lumograph Staedtler ones dont have carbon in them anymore. If I´m wrong please correct me.
@@karuno9721 Yes that's correct. The Mars Lumo blue is strictly graphite now. The Mars Lumo Black are graphite/carbon composite pencils.
staedler é melhor ja usei os dois pois é isso eu gosto mais de staedler
What about the Mars black? and do they blend good? Do they erase good?
This was done before they released Mars black. Black will leave much on the paper.
Do you still like these more then the Mitsubishi Hi Uni's?
Do I still like what more than the Hi Uni's? Faber-Castell 9000 or Staedtler Mars Lumo 100? I'm assuming the Mars. And yes I prefer the Mars more for the fact that they BOTH are super quality drawing pencils but the Mars comes with the darker pencils due to having some carbon mixed in (ie. 8B).
I prefer to use my Hi Uni's with the Kimberly 9XXB when I need a super dark with no shine. The 8b Staedtler to me seems inconsistent with the other Staedtler's. It feels to me like a totally different line of pencil. Thanks for your comment ;)
I read they changed their formula and now the softer ones are not as black as before, they say they are as shiny as other brands. Is that true?
My 8B is very smooth and shiny, like the 4B but _more_. It shines exactly the same way as the 4B. I think maybe they switched their 'blacker than graphite' pencils into the Lumograph Black range, and I think those were announced after this video. I have an 8Bk for fading from the 8B to the Pierre Noire H, and it's really nice. It does act differently to graphite and charcoal if pressed in hard, so that's something to watch out for.
The value and intensity shift between the 6B and 8B in the video is similar to the value and intensity shift between my 8B and 8Bk, which is where my thoughts on the range switch come from.
Edit: Yes. January 2016 was when the Lumograph Black range was released.
@@vzangel Yes. The darker pencils are marketed as Lumograph Black, and have carbon in them.
staedtler wopex is great for layout and rough drawing. cheap
thanks
your videos and experticeare great but please, cab you change that intro music in the begining? it makes me a sort of crazy and produces strange contractions inside my stomach! not joking...all the rest is fantastic
Sorry that my intro music causes contractions to your internal organs. It was not anticipated. Unfortunately that's my theme intro. Have you tried drinking apple cider vinegar?
RixCanDoit ha ha ha ha
Alfredo Hernández just skip it.
which pencils give the darkest (blackest ) values??
For what purpose? Writing or drawing? Do you want it to be graphite or it does not matter? The blackest pencil isn't necessarily the best to write with and isn't even graphite. The darkest writing pencil is going to be lighter than the darkest drawing pencil, etc. It all depends on exactly what you want to do with it AND whether any material can be considered.
+RixCanDoit drawing
+DINOBLADER is the staedtler mars lumograph erasable?
Yes
+RixCanDoit i found that it left a mark behind.. mayby it is because of the fact that i use rougher paper
Try tombow pencil
Already have. See my videos.
@@RixCanDoit ok
where did you buy it,what store
Online. Just do a search to find. Amazon.com is where I likely bought them.
Target
The amazing from 70s Staedtler Mars-Pan-Technico 787 2.0-3.15 drafting mechanical pencil from etsy com
I DONT KNOW WHAT IM GONNA USE😣😣😣😣😂😂 STEADLER OR FABER CASTELL
+Ajtayam Tayam Go with what you like! You have to try them to know. And then there is what you want to do with them, write or draw (or both). For drawing, I happen to like the Lumograph Mars 100 set over the Faber Castell.
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OMG I need to go to end of all videos about "best graphite pencil " to get a conclusion. Too much talking in slo-mo . Why not prepare a sheet of paper with examples beforehand? Seems watching you slowly draw examples is frustrated and tedious to watch. I get it you can't just say "brand x" is the best but either way .... Why talk so much?
I don't prepare the examples ahead of time because I want viewers to see HOW I came to the conclusion. Leave that part out and I won't get comments like "why talk so much" but rather "you didn't do this...or that...etc." Can't please everyone. But what everyone like yourself CAN DO because this is video is to just fast-forward or skip around. That's easy enough. Then EVERYONE can have their cake and eat it too.
fabers are shit you cant even sharpen them without snapping!